The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: NFL Playoff Reaction

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

The first Local Hour of the new presidential administration begins exactly how you would expect: Dan becomes a Commie. Dan, Stu, and the crew discuss Jayden Daniels leading the Washington Commanders over the Detroit Lions, who Dan felt bad for and then immediately turned on. Then, was Mark Andrews' drop a Bill Buckner moment? Is Lamar Jackson to blame for the Ravens loss? Is Jackson's playoff reputation ever going to change? Is he essentially the Peyton Manning to Mahomes and Allen's Tom Brady? Plus, the Rams almost did the thing, the Eagles run everyone into the ground, Josh Allen is playing the cleanest football we've ever seen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Snorting joke. It's a quarterfinal that feels like a final then. You two, Mike Ryan has been jumping around, popcorn jumping around, watching here. He wants, what do you want here? Clearly you just want this match to go on forever. Yeah, and I'm not gonna get that. Imagine if this match were any good,

but just Djokovic with Andy Murray coaching him right now, it's just too strong, but I do love early morning tennis. A reason to feel alive on a Tuesday, I've got so much money on this I'm about to lose, and I really probably shouldn't be betting this heavy on tennis. The room is a little light today because we've got illness and Jessica's simply feeling sick.

She's flying back, we're trying to get into contact with her, but we've got a lot of soldiers down with sickness and Stugatz is asking because he's a bit of a hypochondriac. Well, I mean, we should be concerned. Should we not? I mean, no one's here. Stugatz is saying, what is it? Do you know what it is? It's a viral strain of what that has all of these people knocked out today? Have you read about the diarrhea strain? It's not that.

At least I don't think it's that. The brown wave. What about it? There's a really bad violent diarrhea thing like where you get it and within minutes you're vomiting and pooping. Hmm. And we just pulled out of the World Health Organization.

Oh, please don't, can we not do that today? I had such a- Look behind him, I hate to tell you. I saw that, I'm like, guys, this show's been cooking the last few months, we haven't talked to anything. It's just, all right, so what? He did a Nazi salute, let's move on. Yeah, I mean, I did have the over on a day and a half

before there would be a sig-hile in this new administration, but unfortunately I lost my money on that one, so it's behind Dan now. I can't have without comment, which is how I was going to do it all show before you guys got carried away I can't without comment have that behind me and not have you guys say that I'm making it political when I was going to do it and am going to do it without comment. I don't trust you on that one. Yeah it seems tricky. I have over under four and a half Nazis. I don't trust you on that one. Yeah. It seems tricky. I have over under 4 and 1 half high Nazis

to be on that one already. I'd bet dollars to donuts. You're going to mention politics today. What are we going to do? First of all, I still don't understand why it is we bet dollars to donuts. I believe that I'm going to abstain from a couple of things today.

I'm going to go try to go the day without talking about Jimmy Butler, even though Jeremy is day without talking about Jimmy Butler, even though Jeremy is dying to talk about Jimmy Butler because he was in the most awkward locker room he's ever been in in his life. He said all six days of his life. You're talking about it. That's a loss.

That's a loss. Yeah, I just wanted to talk about it. The show LL Wehr and Bama to buy it. The show hasn't started yet. I'm not talking about anything yet. The show starts in earnest when the intro plays. This is a shadow show. Anything can happen here.

And this is not show. This is something that is before the show. And so I was going to avoid politics and I was going to avoid Jimmy Butler. And I was going to talk just football, just the way it is that you want me to do it. But when you told me about a brown wave, I didn't bring that up, Billy jumped in there.

All of a sudden he put between a red wave and a blue wave, he put a brown wave. Once he puts that that up, Billy jumped in there, all of a sudden he put between a red wave and a blue wave, he put a brown wave. Once he puts that in there, I'm like, oh yeah, and did you see, we checked out of the World Health Organization, now Mike Ryan is sick to his stomach because Jokovic wins. Mike Ryan's sick to his stomach. Or he has a virus.

Yeah, I'm bummed. Diarrhea strain. Dan asked me if I hated Jokovic, I'm like, no, I don't hate him, I just dislike him more than any other tennis player. But it's not hate. I respect him. And look, he's going right now and he's celebrating with Andy Murray.

And Andy Murray is one of my all time favorites. So it does bring like a little slight dash of likeability to a guy. I would actually really like Djokovic if he were more of his true self because when things don't go his way and the crowd gets behind the other person he taps into this villain character that I wish I saw more of. That villain character when you're as

excellent as he is is really such a strange thing to see in the modern age through God's because back when you and I loved tennis because American tennis was great we had an assortment of divas at the top of the sport but this guy being a villain this guy this kind of excellence when he broke i remember when he broke it he was like twenty years old it was here on kibis game where everyone in tennis was talking about what this was going to be in at the time he had all sorts of conquerors ahead and but federal has been in charge of this sport for so long that seeing him come and take it from him and then become villainous has been an interesting

turn. And I really like this era right now because you have Alcara's who is, you know, arguably best in the world prior to this matchup here. Look, Djokovic lost to Riley Opelka a couple of weeks ago. This is a stunning turnaround. He was, he had a light off season. There's a reason why this matchup is in the quarterfinal, but you have Djokovic being all time great and now keeping the young ones at bay. He mentioned American men's tennis.

We're on the precipice of something very special. A golden generation of American males are coming and this guy is being the gatekeeper right now. And I think I might actually hate him. of American males are coming and this guy is being the gatekeeper right now and I think I might actually hate him. This is the Don LeVittor Show with the Stugat's podcast. I'm curious because I'm sure that everyone listening to this understands the feeling that I'm about to express right now. And it's a feeling that you can't control. When I'm watching Lions and Washington

going into that game, in my head, unemotionally attached, I'm like, man, it'd be really nice for Detroit to feel good for a while about its football, since it hasn't happened in my lifetime. Right. To feel like they have a legitimate chance and they got the bye, and generally speaking, good for a while about its football since it hasn't happened in my lifetime. Right. To feel like they have a legitimate chance and they got the buy and generally speaking if you've got the buy you win that football game.

Just I don't know whether it's a 70 or an 80 percent clip but it's pretty surprising for Washington to go into Detroit and be able to do that as a nine and a half point dog, a rookie quarterback to become you know win two road games now and is the best rookie quarterback since we got a same arena right we've got a we've we've already got a say that in terms of the impact as a rookie you're not supposed to learn the position this way in college this guy somehow average ten yards a play a first down a play at ls u and now

just ransacked a detroit team that had the most hope of any of my lifetime. But what surprised me about Saturday night is I switched allegiances quick and I went to rooting against the Lions and then laughing at the Lions fan base and I had no control over what it is that was happening to me. It just happened. You became a commie. That what happened yeah huh I didn't have this in this America I became a commie huh on Saturday night interesting I because this makes me to hate the

Lions to hate this Lions team Dan Campbell you're gonna throw you're gonna do you're really gonna do the trick plays? They don't look cute. When all you have to do is have Goff not be Goff, we knew he was gonna be Goff. We knew at some point you were gonna get Goffed. And were you guys with me on laughing at Detroit or did you feel bad for Detroit? I was laughing at Detroit ahead of time

because I didn't understand, there were about four franchises in that league where nothing good will ever happen to them. And for them to be consensus favorites to go to the Super Bowl, really the Detroit Lions favorite, we expect the Detroit Lions and their fans to feel joy. Like, hold on, like let's temper our expectations just a little bit. We still have to see it. and also I know they made it to an NFC championship game But this core I don't know if that's enough suffering certainly the franchise and fan base has suffered plenty Don't get me wrong, but you know more obstacles Jaden Daniels is a really good quarterback I was just really confused as this is why that franchise and its fans were so

Confident so you need more suffering from Lions fans and for the Lions organization because they haven't suffered enough. I need the amount of suffering around this core of Lions players for them to go into a big game and not be cocksure. And they walked into that game cocksure. Are the commanders not also a suffering fan base?

Yes. So you not feel good for them? Yeah, but the commanders had a run in the 80s and 90s that most, I mean, most fans of any organization would take. I would take that run. The commies hadn't won a playoff game since 2006. They've now won two on the road and he's threatening to do something, Stu Gotts. I mean, to ransack a league by surprise, you're two wins away.

I don't expect them to win in Philadelphia either but that was a slop football game and Philadelphia and Buffalo were ready to give away those games at the end like both both of those games were ready to go when I I want to get back to Detroit in a second but I want it what since we were talking about the Buffalo and the Raven game because I want to talk about mark andrews to have your excellence bill buckner like that mark andrews has more touchdowns than anyone in the history of that franchise that franchises been really good

for him to have a bill buckner moment where you all you're gonna remember that he should have caught that when i keep arguing on behalf of steve got some i know mike and others tell me that I'm soft for doing it. Man, it's gotta be hard to catch a hard, slick football in the cold. Like, that's an unpleasant situation. It's your job, man. Especially when it's not totally on the money.

I know. When it's not totally on the money. I know, but I want to end. Harbaugh, drop a new two-point conversion play. Every single time is the exact same play. I don't know if it's worked once. It's not a stoppable playing. It is very stoppable.

It's been stopped every single time he's done it. I don't think he succeeded at once. I saw three different examples of when it was stopped. It hasn't worked one time. Drop a new play. How about give it to Derrick Henry and have him just run it right up the gut. That's a good plan.

Fine. That is- He's huge. That is a plan. Yes, he is huge. Hard to tackle, Dan. You want the MVP with options Is better than Derek Henry one option. That's pretty good option. I agree agreed but Okay, I've ever Isaiah likely it's because Mark Andrews sucks now the reigning MVP the rain

They might he might actually win a third which which means he has as many MVP is as postseason wins Yeah, yes, he's got got, this is an interesting thing okay because he's got in a league you cannot do this anymore. He's got multiple turnover games, half of his playoff games are multiple turnover games and when I say you can't do this anymore Stugatz, the winning team in the playoffs that we just saw this weekend threw for an average of 166 yards. What's changing in that sport is no, that's fine,

we'll play it in a tiny, tiny phone booth, but our quarterback will not give it up. CJ Stroud will get sacked eight times because there'll be pressure up the middle, but our quarterback will not be turning the ball over. In fact, Patrick Mahomes' worst season of his life we're seeing right now. This is the worst statistical season of his life. You want to guess how many 300-yard games he has? Two.

Three. What? Three all season. He's got three 300-yard games. Patrick Mahomes has been mediocre and has double-digit turnovered it. But this is what I wanted to tell you about the Bills and why I think the Bills are gonna win the Super Bowl, even though they are a team. Why would they ever expect good things to happen to them? Right? The Bills, the Bills, the Bills are-

Yeah, they're one of those four. They're one of the teams, yes. Well, who are the four, by the way? But they've done so much suffering. Well, it's the Jets, it's the Browns. Jets, Browns, Lions, Bills. I mean, the Bills have, they've been the four Super Bowls. Yeah, but- And then what what happened you lose all of them

Yeah, so God's Notre Dame season is not gonna be remembered. You can't wait Yeah, it really should be remembered man, there's so many football storylines I want to take that one now You don't remember second place. You don't remember it like Notre Dame times, you know No, yeah, no the pains Ohio State. Are we letting Lamar off the hook look because an imposing quarterback scored more than 14 points in the second I'm terrible no the thing that I want to talk about because it's in the weeds a little bit on football but to me it's fascinating because we spend the whole season trying to get to a metric that tells us who's best one game samples we understand some of them in the snow.

You tell me the importance of coaching and coaching and coaching and coaching, and largely, at the end, it was all the best quarterbacks. Largely, Sam Darnall became Sam Darnall, Jared Goff became Jared Goff, everyone's still terrified of Stafford, you're lucky to beat him with Hertz and a buck 22 in passing, because he doesn't turn the ball over, and Philadelphia would just run straight at you.

And the way that team plays is crazy. In the modern age, to beat you 50 yards at a time with Saquon Barkley, because Lane Johnson is just bigger than everybody, but to have the Buffalo Bills advance to now a game that is the weakest Chiefs team, even though it's only lost twice. How do they keep getting away with this? What's going on here?

The weakest Chiefs team that we have seen in the Mahomes era, and certainly the weakest offense that we have seen in the Mahomes era. What Buffalo takes into that, and Stu Gantz, I want you to help me examine this, because it legitimately is something I do not understand and have not seen. is something I do not understand and have not seen.

A quarterback who was wildly inaccurate coming out of college and unbelievably reckless with the football has become now a quarterback who we haven't had in the league since 1970. Because that's the last time you'll find somebody who fumbled as little and through his few interceptions and took his few sacks negative plays from a quarterback as this one

josh allen has become the greatest protector of the football in the sport this is a historic this is an offense that is historic in protecting the football at a time everyone's protecting the football wide you beat the ravens at home in the yet lost at home all season they turned it over and you did not that was the difference between those two teams both of which we know can be super bowl winners both of which we'd all acknowledge yes those are two teams

that are good what was the buffalo hasn't lost a game at home all season and everyone saw no that's the number one defense against the number one defense it's week eleven josh allen can be trusted to not turn the ball over here that's what he had was not a how is not everybody in the world talking about you know what the difference in that sport is all the analysis all of it that quarterback

doesn't make mistakes. You're confused by this, huh? How can I not be? I said he was terrible at football. I think what the Bills have done, I mean, he threw the ball 22 times. They're not putting him in spots where he's going to turn the ball over. Like the offense, it's kind of like he's been, you know, it's kind of like a game manager. Like it's time of possession. It's take as much time.

It's keep the other quarterback off the field. And Josh Allen is not throwing 45 times a game to win. The reason it's not game management is because you're still terrified of them on third and 11. Well, of course you are. But that's why he's so great. No, game management with Alex Smith, you weren't terrified of anything on third and 11.

And there's a crucial play No, it's Smith isn't keeping the ball in his but it's the rare game manager who can also just win the game by himself Okay, but so do you see did you got these? Of Josh Allen, can we put this narrative to bed before it starts? Josh Allen's playing the cleanest football of any QB in NFL history per NFL on CBS. This season he has the lowest percentage of plays with a sack fumble or interception since the merger only 4.2% of plays and that way for the Bills. So Stugats, this season the Bills have basically had half a turnover a game.

Half a turnover a game is the average on what the Bills, how you steal the football from them. sounds like he's do That's the worry. It's bound to happen at some point bad weather Happen to anyone and I understand Lamar for his postseason. That was one of the his better performances, but statistically He's quite literally half the quarterback He is during the regular season in the postseason You juxtapose that with what Josh Allen is to his team, a team that spent their entire off season taking away talent from them while the Ravens just

stacked talent on talent on talent. So many first rounders across that team. And the difference is Josh Allen played a clean game, Lamar Jackson couldn't and I know Andrews is the foil because a defender made a great play with a peanut punch and he didn't catch that ball. But Lamar Jackson's fumble was stupid, dumb, worse, trying to do too much. In fact, you could watch it over again and wonder how does this even become a fumble? How do you have the opportunity to fumble it, let alone almost be a fumble six?

The criticisms of Lamar have long since been valid. Fumble six is not a thing. It can be. It was almost a fumble six. It can't be a thing, but I'm just saying that that phrase doesn't work. A pick six works, a fumble six does not work. You're right, we need to come up with a different name. We need another name for that.

That's not good enough. I mean, it's not my word. It's not a phrase that's okay. Pick six rhymes and we allow it. Fumble six, that's the first time I'm hearing it and I don't want it. Fumble, even though I know exactly what you're, what you mean and I do want to keep examining Stu Gouts because we won't leave Mark Andrews alone because what came over me on Mark Andrews felt really bad. Scoop and score. Fumble five plus one. Oh wow. I like that math. Inefficient. You were pointing. Met tricks. You're pointing at Billy supporting

Fumble five plus one which is truly terrible. How so we had scoop and score right there plus a potential other one I quickly bailed on my own and went to Billy's defense I I want to talk about Lamar Jackson's two gods and and Mark Andrews because at the end of that game Lamar Jackson did What you require from the MVP on the road at the end of the game the punctuation falls to someone other than Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, which is why I feel so bad for Mark Andrews, because we were about to get what Roger Goodell does to solve every problem, more football.

We're gonna get 18 games, we were about to get overtime between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Or we were about to get Josh Allen goes right down the field, not gonna be a game manager, gonna win the game, or turns it over Josh Allen, and we laugh at him all offseason because you didn't turn it over at all but then you turned it over I wanted a yellow McDermott for kicking the field goal well so let's talk about this for a second because do it this is Stugats this is where this is even though you

should we knew that Sam Darnold was gonna Sam Darnold we suspected that sam darnell was gonna sam darnell we suspected the josh allen i'm sorry that jared gulf was going to jared gulf where the bills collapse is with us just watching them and being like well is it going to be the turnovers or is mcdermott gonna get you at the end because that's when he's going to shrivel up and say i've got one of the best running weapons that there is yet you stop them that time but ravens the best I got is this. This is the best I got. I got Josh Allen with options rolling around needing to get a yard. Stugats the difference between the Rams and the Eagles season is the Eagles can't be

stopped on third and two and the Rams were a couple of times. Like what can you do on third and two in this league and what can you do on third and two in this league, and what can you do in third and 11 in this league? That game was won. McDermott could have choked out Lamar Jackson at the end, and instead kicked a field goal in the snow. When even if you go forward and miss, you're still putting Baltimore in the situation. They gotta go the whole field and get a touchdown.

But don't you guys think, because that touchdown was scored with 90 seconds remaining on the clock. So if they convert the two point conversion, it's a tie game. I do think Josh Allen's taking them right down the field and they win it. Okay, but you can do that in fiction and hypothesis, but it could also not go like that. And then we're laughing at you the rest of the way. Stugats, do you know how close we were to laughing at the Eagles? That you're up that you're up. You're going to waste the Saquon Barkley game up with five minutes left by allowing the Rams to score two touchdowns on you on your field.

Like, and if, and if Stafford had done it, how surprised would you have been? Not very. No, not at all. I love watching him at this age. So do I. If, if Matthew Stafford in Detroit had the brains that Rams Matthew Stafford has right now, he'd genuinely be an all-timer. KGVet. There's just nothing that you can do to surprise him. He's seen it all. I'm not going to put this on Mark Andrews though. It's squarely. Like listen,

he had a bad day. I'm not going to deny that. This is squarely on Lamar Jackson. When you're talking about Josh Allen not turning the ball over, Patrick Mahomes not turning the ball over, Jaden Daniels, a rookie, never turning the ball over, and Lamar Jackson, a two-time MVP, and I do think he is one of the greatest quarterbacks I have ever seen, but my fear for Lamar Jackson is he's gonna turn into Dan Marino. There are too many good quarterbacks for all of them to win Super Bowls, and that's on Lamar. That's the glory position. That's the position everyone is watching. You cannot turn it over twice in that game. So Stugatz is not wrong about

anything that he's saying, but this is the context I would offer you and the reason I say he's not wrong is he wasn't wrong all that time ago when he gave me the same analysis on Peyton Manning and the beginning of his career and he was this loud about why Peyton Manning wasn't as good as you think Peyton Manning is because he didn't win championships after eight playoff games both Peyton Manning and Lamar Jackson are three and five and over seven seasons when you win 80 plus games the only one to not make it to a Super Bowl other than these Ravens is Peyton Manning's cold so yes you got to

win in the playoffs and he had a couple of turnovers but for you to skip past Andrews a guy touching the ball seven times in the game fumbling at once and then dropping the tie and saying it's all on Lamar Jackson when Lamar Jackson made the throw at the end that needs to be caught to tie the game like you're not showing any nuance there. Well I never have. It could have been a little bit better. Not going to start today. It could have been, sure.

It could have been a better throw. And don't forget like the Derrick Henry one too where Henry has to slow down because he's wide open. These are the little things, Dan. Little missed throws. I know I'm nitpicking but I nitpick greatness There's Henry also drop the ball that should have been in touch But no no no

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This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugats Josh Allen didn't turn the ball over, but Lamar had a better game than Josh Allen except for the turnovers. The Ravens had a better game than the Bills, except for the turnovers. They outgained them 416 yards to 273. Like, the passing was better from Lamar, the running was better from Lamar than Josh. They just held on to the ball and they secured the ball.

That was the difference. All the teams that had more yards this weekend lost the game. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's a wild stat. The Peyton Manning thing I think kind of clicks a little bit. Lamar, since he's been in the league, he's won the MVP about like 15% of the time that he's been in it. And we were saying these things about Peyton Manning for a long time. And I think quite honestly Peyton might've had top to bottom better teams.

This is the best team I think I've ever seen Lamar Jackson have. And to go up against one of the weaker Buffalo Bills teams, the only difference is this Bills team has the best Josh Allen we've ever seen and that's the standard. That's who we compare. Yes, by yards they had a better game, but I don't think Lamar was better than Josh Allen. I mean, he had a better rating, had a better QBR. Yeah, but Josh did the things to win. win more importantly he did the things to not lose and Lamar did certain things in that game be it be off by a beat an inch or two not be perfect on his opportunities the turnovers I just think okay Josh was better. This is funny and you can say whatever you want about who was better in that game but I do find amazing that by limiting Josh Allen

as much as I possibly can that's how I'm going to beat Lamar Jackson who needs to be not an inch off not not a step slow this person Lamar I was late but look this is what I'm gonna say is fair about your criticism because the winners get to write the history the losing is forever he can make all the excuses that he wants we already did this twenty years ago the part of finding funny is that bill polian didn't think lamar jackson could be a quarterback because he's exactly the same as bait manning is in the playoff that like statistically their teams of the same well great great great expectations and then they fall flat

the playoffs and i spend the entire time arguing that anyone who will listen paid many is a better quarterback than tom brady and i am wrong internally because he had the start that lamar jackson did while tom brady was winning right out of the gate because we do believe

there's a nose how to win and patrick mahome in the chief so the ones that have that now because none of us even understand we we'd all be willing to dismiss them as the worst team remaining in these playoffs given how limited their offense is but they keep winning every which way including against the Texans in in a way that was a bit baffling. They have 12 wins by single digits. It will be funny. Think about that. It will be funny to see if they win again just because they know how to win and none of us understand how they know how to do that. But to watch Lamar Jackson play the career arc out of Peyton Manning's stugots, and I'm going to give you, we have more metrics now than we did back then. In 1999 we were really doing win and clutch and that's why Peyton Manning can't win in the postseason.

Now we have the math that tells us that in tight window throws this season, tight window throws, Lamar Jackson was far and away the best quarterback in the league. Like, it wasn't even close on accuracy. So Lamar Jackson, you may think of a certain way but he's kind of drew breeze in terms of what they think in terms of accuracy you might see a quarterback the

same way bill polly and didn't be like meh not a quarterback doesn't look like a quarterback to me because it's too much randall cunningham it's move around it's a lot of athleticism but also tight window throws better than anyone in the sport while the Bills are saying, Josh, no more tight window throws. No, just tuck it and run. Run for six yards. Shakir for seven. Nice.

Knox and Kincaid, no problem. Speak for yourself on clutch. I've been talking clutch it's 1980 I mean fair enough you understand you do understand what I'm saying though right of course I did yeah Lamar Jackson is gonna get all of it today and that's what happens when you lose and ever I really do feel like everything's fair under those circumstances like that's the contract in sports the fan doesn't have to be reasonable or perspective filled about these things. You know, you say that, you know, with Peyton Manning making that comparison,

there was only one quarterback for Peyton to overcome, and it was Tom Brady. And my fear for Lamar Jackson, because you watch him and you see the obvious talent, and you know you're watching one of the all-time great quarterbacks to ever play the sport, but Manning only had Brady to deal with. Lamar has Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Jaden, Daniels. All those guys

can't win Super Bowls. So he's like Philip Rivers? Yeah, I don't know. Like that's my fear for Lamar Jackson. We're not going to remember him the correct way. I will say that the dollop of perspective I would put on the punctuation to their season is he did the things at the end that you want him to do

it can't accept with it can't look i understand stood out you and i remember tom brady winning the super bowl because pete carroll didn't just hand the ball tomorrow sean lynch tom brady was on the sidelines no more clutch no more of a winner he was watching with the way the rest of us were watching on the play and in the drive that was needed from Lamar Jackson he went down the field on the road and tied the football game. I know but he

puts himself in those positions with the turnovers that's the point like Dan that's a game if you really watch the game and break down the stats and look at it, Baltimore should have blew them out. Correct, and turnovers are that important, and I've watched Sugat. One of the great frustrations of my aesthetic football lifetime is, oh please don't make Patrick Mahomes play that way.

Like don't make the sport change so much with the athleticism that now Patrick Mahomes I'm looking at him statistically and he'll win at the end but he's a totally mediocre quarterback and what used to be I can get a 177 yards to just Tyree kill is I get a 177 yards and a 117 of them are to Travis Kelsey 16 to 25177 one touchdown no interest in Alex Smith on it's it It's bad. It's frustrating. It's frustrating to watch. That's going to win. Okay, so we're just going to Andy Reid squeeze it to death. We're just going to... How do we get to

22 points by any means necessary? If we could just get to 20. That offense that I was always scared to bet the under on 30 and 31 and a half, team total, that offense is at the top of the sport, had kind of the easiest game this week, and unless you want to go with the commies, and now you're set up where the analysis of all of this from the start should have been some form of, you know who's going to be remaining at the end?

The people I think are the best quarterbacks. And also Jalen Hurts. Because Philadelphia is playing a different. Philadelphia is saying, you know what? What I love about what Philadelphia is doing, it's great. It just is. It is so great.

And it's so great for that city. Because that city considers itself rugged. I don't know how high Saquon Barkley has now climbed on Philadelphia sports legends for all time. But beating a football team to death with his thighs in the modern age, like instead of going space age, just saying, you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna break off a 70 yarder here at some point

because he's too big and strong and you're gonna get tired of tackling him. Jalen Hurts threw for 128 yards. What Philadelphia has in its backfield that is so great, it's not just that their offensive line and you're gonna get tired of tackling him. Jaylen Hurts threw for 128 yards. What Philadelphia has in its backfield that is so great, it's not just that their offensive line will maul you, okay? Because, Stugats, I don't know how much of the Rams-Eagles did you watch this weekend?

Not a lot, to be honest. Okay, all right, so there was one storyline they were playing up all game that was fun to watch, okay? And Jared Vers said before. Okay, and I Jared verse said before the game and he's a menace he went to FSU He also went to somewhere smaller before that And he's just so fun and he said he hated Philadelphia and that their fans weren't that smart and Then around the stadium before the game. He's you know showing muscles in the cold Just taunting fans. He went to school at Albany Dan before the game, he's showing muscles in the cold, just taunting fans.

He went to school at Albany, Dan, before, the Great Danes. Tell me something about Albany. Tell me something about what the- I can't, State Capitol of New York. Poffenbarger went there. What was this human being doing to other human beings at Albany? Because he's a menace of a man, and he's a first round pick.

And he goes into that game, and he starts taunting Philadelphia, and also, after a game and he starts taunting Philadelphia and also after a sack where he really ragdolled Jalen Hurts who's got one of the, you know, he doesn't get ragdolled very much, Jalen Hurts, because of what his lower body strength is. He gives the, he said it felt like the gladiator spectacle, Stu Gotts,

where he's in the center of the field and he's giving Philadelphia fans double thumbs down. But he's going up all game against Lane Johnson, who's about twice his size. Like when you see those cameras from the back, what you're watching is he just keeps getting, all of these players just get engulfed in Lane Johnson, who hasn't allowed a sack in I don't know how long. The Rams were this close to gut. Oh, they were.

They were this close. Nobody has to go through Detroit anymore. The Ram. We all know that this is close to hosting the NFC Championship game in Glendale. The Rams. I think it would have been at so far. Really? Yeah. I was rooting for LA. I really was. Yeah. Did you watch? Not a lot. Can I ask you guys this question about Mark Andrews because my eyes may be lying to me on this one. Jeremy, if you could look this a lot. Can I ask you guys this question about Mark Andrews? Because my eyes may be lying to me on this one. Jeremy, if you could look this up for me, I would appreciate it.

I think of Mark Andrews as somebody, and I may have this totally wrong. Deandre Hopkins, Larry Fitzgerald, these two human beings were statistically people who had more tackles than drops in their careers they they they tackled people after interceptions more often that you would throw the ball hit them somewhere within radius that was seen as catchable and it ended up being a drop i don't think of mark andrews as someone who ever drops the football however whatever the sport does to the human body that guy is one of the first kind of grumpy people that they've been leading the ravens in touchdowns if you throw the ball near that person it's not

guardable the dvds are big enough if you throw the ball accurately he becomes for lamar jackson what all those receivers were for drew breeze when it was all timing accuracy timing accuracy not guardable always open third eleven whether it's michael thomas mark andrews always open and if you throw it over there the dvds not to be able without interfering to get around his body to get near the football is mark andrews a dropper late in his career because i was trying to think on the way in here today

didn't mark andrews just bill Buckner like in whatever the modern equivalent of those things can be Jackie Smith hmm that's old school though I know who that is so is Buckner but for the people that don't but but but Jackie Smith is what year is that are we talking about 1990s no that's a's a cowboy's Steelers to one. 1970s? Okay, so Roy, you went old school there and you always frightened me and surprised me when you do that because you went old school beyond the old school and you went

to the original Super Bowl. It wasn't the original, it wasn't Super Bowl I. It was like 79 in Roy's defense. I mean, your World Series was 86. I'm talking, yes, but I. I mean, it's the comp. I mean, Jackie Smith was a tight end. He dropped the ball in the end zone. No, but so Jackie Smith if you were to look that up

I don't know if we'd get in trouble with football footage We probably would but if you guys could find Jackie Smith Jackie Smith was wide open in the end zone This was just he they threw it at his chest and he failed to catch it I think that was also in the snow if I'm not if I'm not no I was in Miami Wasn't it was it all right was in Miami all right? We will find out in a moment He was just standing in the snow if I'm not, if I'm not. No, that was in Miami, wasn't it? Was it? I think it was in Miami. All right, we will find out in a moment. He was just standing in the end zone. Mark Andrews had 69 targets and four drops

during the regular season. It was the best catch percentage of his career, actually, this year at 79.7%. He's always been above 65%. He catches roughly 94% of the catchable passes thrown his way. Catchable, though, right? Like the rest. I mean, that was of the catchable passes thrown his way. Catchable though, right? I mean that was certainly a catchable pass. It could have been better.

Larry Fitzgerald for his career, Dan, had 29 drops and 41 tackles. I think DeAndre Hopkins is something like that. It's an amazing couple of stats. I just felt, I know you guys make fun of me all the time for my we p syrupy i feel bad for so and so for the josh allen lamar jackson game with some stakes on it that felt like a super bowl to and in incompetence instead of competence made me hurt for a hall of famer of excellence that we can all agree has his name associated with greatness most touchdowns in the history of the franchise, but might have just got stamped out by a moment because I don't know what Jackie Smith did in his career.

I don't, I remember last week when we were talking about Bob Uecker, I failed to mention, like Bob Uecker for his career batted 200 and like had forty five at bats or something like just it didn't play very much but the rest of his career ended up being his legacy the thing that made me feel bad for mark andrews beyond just an athlete not being competent inane a moment that demands greatness for all of us to have that is the ending of that game when i know how great that guy is in what i just watching everyone diminishing that name to something that's less than great because of the size of that moment

and the size of the incompetence. Super Bowl 13 was in Miami. Jackie Smith's career numbers is 7,918 yards, 40 touchdowns. No snow, by the way. Did it snow, yeah. I don't know if there's any coming back from Mark Andrews from that with that organization for a lot of reasons. He's an all-time great for that franchise, but if you've watched him, he's had the

injuries, he's got this bigger frame, he's got a bigger number attached to his contract, and Isaiah Leichley has been coming for his job. And if you remember that moment, what happened right before that play? Isaiah Leichley's there for Lamar Jackson, just like he's been there. Isaiah Likely, the last three seasons, this has felt fun to watch visually because it's sort of the evolution of the position and to watch it happening on that team, Stugats,

for that position. When you're watching, tell me I don't have this right, because this is pretty rare in football, I I think I have watched Mark Andrews age in a way that's obvious to the eye I've watched a lot of his career a lot of those touchdowns so when he's moving I can see not unlike I can see with Patrick Mahomes scrambling oh that's where football stole some of his youth. It's the same number, it looks like the same body, I'm expecting it to look the same at the end as it did at the beginning, but it doesn't.

And the reminder is in his own huddle when likely runs down the field and he doesn't look like he needs WD-40. It's not chunks of rust that are falling. No, he's young, yes. He's fast. He's young. No, he's young. He's fast. Andrews is only 29. He played with Baker. Yes. By the way, Jackie Smith made it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Awesome. He's white. Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. Maybe that's what I thought with Snow.

Oh. Has there ever been a white Jackie? The rapper? I don't know. Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show show has there ever been a white male Jackie? Jackie moon Harbaugh also went for two by the way in the third quarter like had he just get extra points both times Yeah, he would have been tied and they wouldn't have had to go for two at the end of the game Maybe McDermott doesn't kick that stupid field goal though, Jackie Gleason

Jacky Gleason. Oh! He wore his belt buckle to the side. Laughter Back to you, Dan. Who wore the Jacky Gleason or Stu Gantz? Who wore their belt buckle off to the side? Yeah, he did. Why?

I don't know. He's a big man. Am I right when I frame it in that as the historical perspective that Mark Andrews is now we now have a moment That's the opposite of excellent that the football weekend was marred by instead of greatness this Hall of Famer a Unit an immortal really at the position you'd say yes. No, no, no, he's just a guy Yeah, wow, you got him as a Jag

You think he's like a top you think Mark Andrews an immortal? He put together like three more seasons Mark Andrews with Tony Gonzalez and guys like that Well, I mean I gotta see the numbers but I think like if he put together three four more seasons of what he's done in His career. It might be a borderline Canton. I could make an argument that no one would get behind that I think George Kittle might be the best tight end that we've seen because George Kittle has not had

the quarterbacks that the great tight ends have had. Or Bowers, I could go Bowers now. Oh, Bowers is already there. But before I- He was the best blocker. Billy, that was great and I want you to sharpen that, because we're sharpening boldest take here. Travis Kelsey's had Patrick Mahomes,

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