The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: On The Hooch

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

Greg Cote is nervous about getting a haircut later on today's show, and he's also here to say a couple of the oldest phrases you've ever heard. Dan and Billy discuss the Marlins losing a huge game in a playoff race on a fair ball vs. foul ball controversy in 2023. Plus, how are we supposed to discuss athletes like Deshaun Watson and Tyreek Hill? And is Bill Belichick just Dave Wannstedt? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We've got a scared, a scared Greg Cody right now. He came in here saying, because his son has pushed and prodded him to get a more modern haircut, to keep up with the times, to not just look like Baeowulf or Ben Franklin, but to really, to really like modernize his hair, and we have decided, and this is dangerous.

I'm a little bit scared about this. It's not just that we're getting an expert barber. It's that we're getting a specific type of, I'm assuming Miami Latin barber, Tony's barber, and that barber will cut you up. Crisp, and there is the risk that Greg Cody approaching near 70 will have an age inappropriate haircut of trying too hard because this is Tony, your barber, because this is Tony your barber. Your

barber is Latin cliche barber. That's right. He went to my wedding cut me up at my wedding. This is a personal friend of mine. My personal barber Greg. I love that you're here and trusting him to give you a modern haircut. Well Tony, I'm trusting you to rein in your barber because I don't know this gentleman. I can't read him. Okay, that scares me. We're gonna do this in a couple of hours. We're gonna do it live here in the studio. He cut you up at your wedding?

That's right, he went to my wedding. Really? He cut me up there. Amazing. Can we get a better phrase for a haircut than cut you up? Billy, why were you rolling your eyes at Tony and his barber? Well, because Tony then told me like,

oh, he's gonna cut up Greg and then he's gonna give me haircut. I'm like, wait a minute. Hold on a second. It sounds like you just booked your barber to get a free haircut. I'm not free. I pay him. I pay him.

What do you pay for a haircut, Tony? Is that an indelicate question? Wait, what is Greg pay for a haircut? I typically pay $15. And if I like the haircut, it's a $5, generous $5 tip, round it up to $20. If I don't like the haircut, it's a quick 18. It's a quick $3 tip.

We're in, just because I've had this conversation with Tony before, we're in a dangerous situation. And I'm kind of wondering how people feel about this moving forward because Tony has gone to his, and correct me if I'm wrong, Tony has gone to his and correct me if I'm wrong. Tony has gone to his barber for a very long time, correct? So Tony paid a price for the barber when he started going there and has not changed the price that he pays as time has gone on over like 10 years or something like that. Maybe longer, maybe like 15 years. So Tony is paying the price

of a haircut from 15 years ago because this is his guy But he's really not taking care of his guy because he's paying him 15 years ago I put on a poll at Levitage show if your barber hasn't raised his rates in 15 years Is it incumbent upon you to raise his raise for him? No, no because here's what I believe and we can ask his Borg actually let's not talk to his barber because I feel like we know where that's gonna go. But if you ask his barber what he would charge for a haircut now, I guarantee you that for a new client, it's not what he would charge the price of from 15 years ago

that Tony still pays. So I feel like Tony's doing him a disservice by not paying him a little more. Billy, he's here to cut Greg's haircut on the biggest podcast in the world. What are you talking about? I'm giving him access to areas that he would never be able to get to. little more. Billy, he's here to cut Greg's haircut on the biggest podcast in the world. What are you talking about? I'm giving him access to areas that he would never be able to get to. Yeah. He should pay you to cut your hair. No, I didn't say that. I didn't

say that, but I should be for free though. I think. No, no, no, I pay my boy because I take care of him and I'm a very frequent user. You pay 10 bucks a haircut, right? That's not true. I just checked my wallet because I'm nervous right now that that I'm gonna be expected to tip this guy on Top of whatever Tony has paid him well you should give him something for his efforts How scared are you right now and Lucy? What are your thoughts on how scared he should be in this situation? He came in really nervous. We talked about it a little bit I gave him tips for hair growth in case it goes wrong. Rose Mary Oil is a big difference.

So even if it goes bad, which it's not going to, it's grossed, we can grow it back real fast. I got some tips and tricks for you. Okay, good. What are you worried about, though? I'm worried that it's going to be, I hate to phrase age inappropriate, but in this case, I'll use it.

And by the way, I only have $7 in my wallet. Lousy tip. Age inappropriate. Bigger than your average haircut tip, right? You're most $5. And different tip is $5 is what you said. If he likes it. That is guy ain't super cutsy, there.

Dad, I want you to type into your computer right now, Fulhawk. That's what I think we go for. You should get that. I ain't gonna, anything to do with a Mohawk. I'm telling you, the stylish, it's like longer on the top, no, no, on the side. It's up to the we go for you should get that I ain't good anything to do with a mohawk It's I'm telling it to style it's like longer on the top no On the side I'm talking to the barber not you I don't barber do those haircuts that he lights that on fire. No, they do sometimes. Yeah, man. He does not do that

Oh, that is a very that is a Latin Miami barbershop. Let's put them pyrotechnics in the situation Now you really got me scared. Mohawk hair on fire. I don't have enough hair to put on fire. And this is what worry man, I don't have enough hair for a Mohawk. Just give me a bar of business man. Billy correct me please if I'm wrong because I believe that in you and Tony, we're talking about two different Miami Barber experiences. I assume that. I may have it wrong. Are you and he built the same when it comes to visiting the Miami Barber? Or do you have the same barber that you've had since you were six years old?

No, so I had a situation where I did go to styles and cuts on Bird Road in 97th Avenue since I was a little kid. And then I stopped going there and then I went back, Greg, you would love this place. 12 bucks for a haircut. It shows. Yeah, but it became a thing where it was unreliable. I'm not good at getting haircuts. I'm just going to say that right now.

I'm not a good haircut getter. I have a thing with my neck where when they put the thing around my neck, it feels like it's suffocating me. And I'm really bad. Yeah, no, I start getting anxiety when I'm getting a haircut and I'd like sometimes start hyperventilating, I feel like it's suffocating me. Like I'm not good at getting haircuts, I'll tell you that right now.

And then Tony actually showed me this app where I could go and I could book my haircut because before I would be like a bum where I would just basically go. And I'd wait in line and see who it is that was available So I didn't have a dedicated barber at a shop, but not a barber and then like Unfortunately because of the fact of the location that I was going to on bird 97 styles and cuts $12 A lot of the barbers, you know

We're going on to greener pastures and the great above So I eventually had to say you know what I think I need a younger a younger barber here that I have some sort of Dependability on this situation. Why are you laughing the great above? Well, yeah, I mean say, you know what, I think I need a younger barber here that I have some sort of dependability on this situation. Why are you laughing? The great above, huh? Well, yeah, I mean, you know, what do you want to do? The upper room? Yeah.

Did you answer my question? Well, no, so Tony, Tony put me in touch with, I guess he didn't put me in touch, but he told me about this app where I can go and do it. And Tony, I've sent him pictures of my barber shop and my barber and he's in disbelief of where it is that I go to get these things. The beautiful thing about Billy sent me

the the at of his barber on Instagram but it's actually turned into a real estate page. inexplicably, I don't know. He's like, different things. He wants to spend, he wants to sell a house. I want to ask the entirety of our worldwide audience. Do you think that anyone can beat my father on the bargain of you get your haircut, you get your nose hair streamed,

you get your eyebrows done, $10 with a $2 tip? Do you think anyone in our worldwide audience can get a better bargain than the one my father gets on his haircut? Me for free, because I come on here. Wow. That a boy. You give yourself. You did. Yeah, I treat myself right. You did. You did get me there Roy. The $10 is a bargain, but the $2. I'm certain the barber is upset by the $2.20 percent. My father always calls it 20% not $2.

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So shacks much Parker Chris Quinn Dewey Jason Williams to roll right. I mean stacked roster. This is the down lebatar show with a stugatz roster. This is the Don't Liberty Show with this two gods. The President of our Draft King Sportsbook won a Bumericist top-rated sportsbook apps. Draft King's has all kinds of ways to get in on the action including seeing game Paul A's props, live betting and so much more. Use Go Dan Ways sign up on a Draft King Sportsbook app to check it out. Billy, I wanted to ask you about something last night because as we mentioned,

and we just glossed over it yesterday, the Marlins had been 4 and 19 in the last 23 games against the Braves dragged regularly by seven, 10 runs, just crushed. And then at the most important time of the season, they sweep the Braves. And then last night, the Met's come in. And I did not think in 2023, we would have a fair ball, foul ball controversy. But the Marlins lost a game that was hugely important

to them. I imagine you were hanging on every pitch. I imagine again, you got mad at David Robertson for being someone who makes you take pepto bismol beyond your normal anxieties. And then Scott gives up a home run to a lefty. He's been great all season long, but the foul ball, fair ball thing. How crazy did that make you? I don't understand how that happens still.

Especially when you have like a stadium with a roof. Why can't you just have the foul pull go all the way up to the roof and then you don't have a situation where it can go over the foul pull go all the way up to the roof and then you don't have a situation Where it can go over the foul pull which is what happened and then you have no idea Where the ball is and by the way when I was watching replays and stuff like I couldn't see the ball some of the time Like it was way up there I understand why it was a difficult call to make but also the balls

I guess have chips in them now because you know where the ball is at all times, and then when you see on the internet right after that this ball stayed in fair territory the entire time, I don't understand why that's something that's- The Marlins lost a game because the technology was not right on what should have been a home run. Yes or no? Well, they lost the game because the umpires were wrong and whether it was fair or foul, but the technology seems to exist where you know, in soccer you have VAR and tennis you have that thing where everybody's looking up at the screen

and all of a sudden you just see like a shadow. So your mad at it. Yeah, oh my god, it's the best thing in sports. The best thing in sports. But at baseball, you're saying that, wait a minute, you're saying the best thing in sports is the shadow that tells you whether a tennis ball is to interact. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everyone's clapping, they're making noises, they're waiting for the outcome. But if we do, it does stand a reason though, if we have that technology, we shouldn't just have a bunch of old guys gathered around and saying, hey, Ed, squinting up, did you think it was fair or foul? They played a hundred and fifty games this season. We're going to decide the wildcard by half a game. What do you think? Farer foul ed.

Well, Ed had been drinking before the game as well. Well, also like the position of the... Oh, we're in an instrument. Ed, Ed's an alcohol. Wow. I mean, don't you're an holistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call

Rugless Aspectulation. You're good. You know, we're talking about umpires here. Come on You know what's your speculation? The speculation is that the umpire may have had a couple of nips before the game on the hooch Which may have impaired his judgment or? Fine-tuned it for the better put it on the pole. Please older phrase for drinking on the hooch Or a couple of nips. I've never heard either of those. And while you shouldn't have, Billy has been used as a 50s.

Somehow older than Greg Cody. It's hard to do on the hooch, which I'm pretty sure hasn't been used since prohibition, since people were moonshining. I love it. I regret saying a couple of nips. I'm officially retiring that phrase. Okay, thanks for not bringing any attention to it. You know what, go sit on the therapy couch. Get out of here. Oh, I know.

Just get out of here. I'll leave that therapy couch after my haircut. Get out of here. That's not a choice you get to make. Go get out of here. Go get out of here. Go go go thank you. It's right outside. It's the only counts that we have out there.

Billy, but were you mad because the game, that's obviously an important game. The meds aren't playing for anything. And the Marlins just play very well against the Dodgers and the Brains. Well, that's the thing. You looked at the schedule of the wild card or the teams remaining in the wild card hunt and the Marlins had the toughest schedule out of everyone and they've succeeded against the harder opponents.

So looking forward you're like wow they may actually do this. They have the Met's coming up. They have the pirates coming up. They have very winnable games coming up. They may be able to hang on and make it into the playoffs and then to have be able to hang on and make it into the playoffs and then to have a call like that cost you in a game that you could easily win. It's frustrating. Still got to it's with like a dozen games left. Okay. Among the wild card teams, the Marlins have the worst run differential among all the teams that are competing.

They are overachieving for what they should be because they win an extraordinary number of one run game. That meant Cincinnati are both minus 38. And so what you have is a team that is improbable. Those are one of the best things that we have in sports when somebody can surprise you. And they're now doing it patchwork, right? Because Soler is coming off of injury and they need him. And Sandy is trying to force us back.

It's kind of, I'll be ready for the playoffs. If there are playoffs, I'll be ready for the playoffs. And they'd be in the playoffs already if he were a fraction of what it is that he was last year. But he has not been. He's been a very average pitcher in all of the categories that matters to God's while having the highest average velocity on pitches that he throws in the big leagues. Nobody throws harder than that person every time he throws. And they've

done it in spite of the reigning Sai Young winner being thoroughly mediocre by all of the metrics. And they lose a game last night at home against a feeble greatest embarrassment in the sport med team And they lose it because the ums got it wrong and I saw I remember saying earlier this year that angel Hernandez Was actually having a good season as an empire He wasn't involved in this game, but I just marvel at how it is that the officiating when we have all the technology in tennis

to show you a shadow that's in or out. That last night, there were calls in that game outside the strike zone. The empire was consistent there, but Angel Hernandez was having a good season, but last night he had his worst game, or not last night last week. He had his worst game in like two years.

He missed 16 calls in a game. Well, he had, wasn't a base on fire. He's behind the play. Starting up, so he had one of those against the Marlins also so much so that they wrote an article about it. I do think though the Dan the Internet fooled you on that because the reason he was having a good season is because he wasn't having a bad season. He wasn't missing calls and it's because he had back surgery. So he missed about half the season, I think, with a back injury. So it's not that he was having a good season. It's that he wasn't out there messing things up. So no one was noticing that he wasn't around. Fairballer sample. So, yeah, fair enough, but he has returned and is now again by metrics.

He is again, the worst empire making up for lost on. He's Steve Martin also. Sorry. Are you proud of him as a Cuban? No, he's applied on my people. No, Angel Hernandez is a little rough of me. I mean, if you're not really. You kind of want to have the best of the worst of something, right? Like, no, in between. I have the best umpire, how the worst umpire.

I mean, he's the only one that I associate by name in refereeing or umpiring with terrible judgment. He is the stugat and a mean of umpire. Just bad, bad judgment. You weren't heartbroken though, like what's your investment level because you've gone in and out. I don't have time for this. I can invest in this team.

My passions here are something that I can't stretch any thinner. I've got to be at home. I've got to be attentive to my kids, to my family. And here they are, playing meaningful games, laid into the night and Billy. The time's not great. I wish that they would change that time up a little bit.

I mean, they're not going to change it for me. If they already have changed it for you, they've sped up the game. They start at 640 all the time. How much earlier do you want it to be? Well, now I'm in a situation where it's like right at the bad time. You know what I mean?

Because like 640 is, you know, bed, bath, and dinner time. So like, yeah, I'm not going to do it. What's that? Exactly. Right. And now, while I love the game is a lot faster, it also takes just about that amount of time to do all those things.

So like, I can catch the start of the game and then I can catch the eighth inning. I was just about to go into a beautiful soliloquy about, you know, not only Billy was talking about the foul polls, but that extends to the uprights in football. They need to go infinitely up in the tech, but love it. He's not entirely wrong about that. I think Adam Krola does a bit where he's like, just go, you know, it's a billion dollars for it. Go get some PCP pipe. PBC. Yeah. PBC. Excuse me. That is a five. That's a totally different.

It's a five. That's a five. That's a five. That's a five. That's a five. Five dollars. That's a bad one. And yesterday, by the way, it was Migs in the cell next to Hannibal Lecter who was masturbating and silence at the land. It was not Anthony Hopkins. Hannibal Lecter. You know, I'm going to be sitting there

and he's going to subject me to a foe hawk. And I can't do the foe hawk thing. You know, it's ridiculous. I'm a grown man. I'm in an age appropriate haircut. And I'm gonna be subjected to just something bizarre. I don't know what's going on. His hair right now. Did he just after burying the original deck shoes,

did he go out and buy a replica pair of 1980 deck shoes to replace the ones that he has actually buried in his backyard? They look used also. i think he likes that the he likes the use of the yeah those are new though they are new but he what he did is he bought a replica of the same nineteen

eighties debt shoes that he worked gotta respect the debt shoes i mean it's the all-american how do you think they're i mean it's like, you know, in the past, I don't know that he's talking about the deck shoes now, but just in the past, you know, from what I understand. I mean, I'm here with it. I need a service animal. I got a service shark.

I'm hugging it because I'm so anxiety-ridden, you know. Do you guys ever wish that you bought double of the same thing because you like the products so much that when it's gone, you're like, I wish I would have bought that you bought double of the same thing because you like the products so much that when it's gone, you're like, I wish I would have bought that you have. I have bought, like there's certain Nike shirts that they go out of style and they don't sell them again. So I'll buy two or three of the same pairs just to have them.

I read the other day what Michael Jordan makes per day from Nike, oh boy. Tell me. Per day. You wanna guess? You wanna take some guesses of what it is that he, Michael Jordan, three million.

Three million. So I'll take a guess. I'll say $722. It's like $280 is a good number. 722. You got it exactly right, Mr. Guides. Whoa! Oh, I got it.

Amazing. You're amazing at the game. I can't believe it. Congratulations. You have perfected the game. I can't believe it. Congratulations. You have perfected the game It is $700,000 a day what's that Michael Jordan makes Reportedly, I kind of thought I was gonna be more Is he get PTO that feels low to you to you? you mean more than three hundred?

I'm working for free, I can't help you know Michael Jordan, he's making a lot of money I'm guessing again, I don't know they were talking about that but I can't get anything from this show I'm sitting on a couch here they don't even have the the the budget to get a leather couch I'm sitting on a cloth couch, you know, I'm sorry that my shoes seem to be offending people. But how can he hear the show out there? He's supposed to be in therapy separated from the show talking to him to his therapist is what he's supposed to be doing, not doing show while he's out there.

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about how you met your wife, how much you love her, how important she is to you, and that's the reason that I asked the question. I've always admired that about you. That you have no problems whatsoever professing your love. Well, the thing is, I got a new wife now. You know, me and Bianca didn't make it.

So I moved on, we moved on, it was for the better of both of us. Still got things just got a little awkward there. So let me be the first on this show to congratulate you on the new wife. Vince, congratulations on feeling whole, feeling complete, you know. Let's talk tailgating, yeah.

Don't be, don't feel awkward, buddy. I don't, you know, let's talk tailgating. Yeah. Don't be those don't feel awkward, buddy. You know, I don't. It's too late for that. I appreciate you soothing me in this regard, but I already feel terribly awkward. And then my teammate comes to my defense with not a question. But just a healthy congratulations. And the further pointing out of that awkwardness because he's always good for me in those spots, I'm also thinking of divorce vince after many, many years, 18 years with a partner who does things like that to you. This is the Don Limita show with this two cats. Presented by DraftKings Sportsbook, one of America's top rated sportsbook apps. DraftKings has all kinds of ways to get in on the action, including same game parles, props, live betting, and so much more.

Use code Dan when you sign up on the DraftKings Sportsbook app to check it out. I wanted to ask you something, Stu Gatz, and go ahead and bring him in from the therapy couch because I want to bring our Miami-Herald, Miami Dolphins expert in to navigate this part of this discussion because it makes an appearance every time, and I really don't know how to handle some of this stuff. DeShawn Watson is out there last night and once Nick tub goes down basically the only reason to watch either of those football games is TJ what there's no other reason to watch anything else that's happening now gambling

and DeShawn Watson is getting an amount of guaranteed money that is staggering they gave draft picks up for him as well and I don't know when the right time is to talk about just Dishon Watson's performance and not play word association with his alleged crimes. But when someone writes in the following and it's fair criticism, I think, because I don't know what to do with the following.

Lebitard loves to lecture the world on morality but has no problem drooling over noted good guy Tyree Kale on a weekly basis. Now, I've mentioned several times that he hits men, women, and children. And I have mentioned many times also that we were going to do when he was starting his podcast, we were gonna go on each other's podcast. He was gonna come on this one and I was gonna go on that one

and as soon as I told him, as soon as I told his people, hey I've got to ask him about his past that vanished. But his past hasn't vanished but there is no one in Miami I think that wants to hear about it right now. And I don't know if you're reading what's happening with Xavier Howard. I don't even know how to traverse some of what's true here and what's not true because something was debunked in a lawsuit. And so you hear a lot of stuff that has some holes in it about four different pregnant women and video of somebody hitting his car with a baseball bat and reports that he gave herpes at a herpes clinic to somebody who was working there.

And I don't know what's true here, what's responsible here to report. But as some of this stuff makes its way around the huddle and it's a two and a team that yesterday I saw the coverage to God. The dolphins is two weeks in now. Everyone's saying, whoa, look out, super bold. Now two weeks in and a way that we're not doing that last year. They are the talk of the NFL.

The profile focus has them ranked. I know Lucy doesn't like them, but has them ranked as the best team in the NFL. They went on the road and they won two road games to start their season two and out. And they beat the chargers and they beat the Patriots, which I don't believe are the cream of the league. Like, we all know the last five AFC championship games have gone through one place. And that's why the chief changes contract yesterday. They want to make sure that dude is happy and making as much guaranteed money as anyone that no one passes him because he's the thing that matters the most in that conference, in that sport.

But my amy's talked about now in that class when you watch the chiefs go to Jacksonville and their offense looks more constipated than my amy's does at New England. One of the things that I mentioned yesterday because I don't know if you've seen this to God, but this is staggering. Bill Belicechek without Tom Brady,

his record is 79 and 89. Dave Wonstets was 82 and 87. Come on. Belicechek's record without Brady is worse than one step. And when you're watching yesterday, when he doesn't have Brady, you may have seen the stat or Sunday come up, Stugots that said the Patriots in the red zone, the worst team in the league since 2020 makes a difference to have Tom Brady throwing to Grunk and Mac Jones trying to do what it is that he's trying to do. But the way that they're talking about the dolphins now, Stugats has changed.

And my question to you is, should I be saying every time he goes for a 70 yard touchdown pass, noted a user Tyree Kill had 211 yards? that would be an odd way to cover to re kill I mean but what is the right way though that I think they're all I think there are only odd ways is what I'm saying I'm saying that so much of this is shifted now in terms of How people feel about the misbehavior of their athletes combined with sports can't stay out of the real world. If you have toxic workplace issues in Hollywood or in your place of employment, they're going to make their way to sports. If you have race issues and I'm asking you about this one because DeShon Watson last night, I'm guessing I will not watch. I would not watch

either one of those football games, but I'm guessing there was no mention Anymore he's now just a quarterback. I would guess am I wrong about this Lucy? No, they did mention it once They were like, you know noted accusations and that was it. He hasn't been the same like he stinks as a quarterback They gave up so many picks and so much guaranteed money and that's what you get 16 for 29 150 yards everything's thrown five yards. You got nothing. And Baker looks good. I mean, he's two and out with the bucks. And without Nick Chubb, he's going to look even worse.

It's going to be much tougher for him. No, there's more on Dishon Watson without Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb was the offense. Yes. And how Dishon Watson has to be the offense when you're making $45 million guarantee dollars a year. Right. Like it's on Dishon Watson now. On. Right. It's on to Sean Watson now. On the field, it's on Watson to be great.

A married Cooper comes back last night and despite Andrew gives them something, he's hurt too. I don't know why it is you would watch Cleveland football. But I'm going back to the question, Greg Cody. You're a moralizer and print columnist to do that. You are a Homer. Miami has a genuine, league-wide superstar in their wide receiver.

I saw a list of wide receivers who didn't combine for 211 yards in week one. It was like eight famous receivers, right? Because they have somebody who went from Kansas City because he wanted his own team. Didn't want to be in the shadow of my homes, wanted to speak freely, didn't want edits on his podcast, wanted to be a star, wants to be a Miami star, and has been made a Miami star. What percentage should it be, faunting celebration of sports,

and what percentage of it should be, hey, are you also uncomfortable rooting for someone who brings you excitement and enthusiasm, Xavier Howard, congratulations, are you also uncomfortable rooting for someone who brings you excitement and enthusiasm? Xavier Howard, congratulations, but you're whatever is that's true about your life, it seems quite the mess. Like if any of this stuff is true, it seems like what you've gotten going on away from the field is a giant mess. I think it's pretty simple, journalistically.

I think a lot of it depends on how far in the past the allegations or or worse are with xavi and howard it seems to be more current then with tyrie kill i know tyrie had that silly incident that came to nothing uh... couple months ago but he did hit somebody on a boat like that's not denied he slapped somebody on a boat right but but supposedly with some

cause uh... i'm not gonna defend him that sounded like a defense i'm not not denied he slapped somebody on a boat right but but supposedly with some cause uh... i'm not going to defend him that sounded like a defense i'm not going to defend him but no here's my point supposedly that it is supposedly with some cause to slap someone outside the larger point what when i'm writing a game column about how great taryquas or praising him because he called patriots fans uh... the worst fans in the league and said put my name on that. I like that in a player. He's colorful off the field, he's great on the field,

he's the reason there may be the best team in the league or one of the great reasons. I don't feel the need in everything I write about him to say, Hill, comma, who, while in college, was in trouble for the... No, now, if I'm writing a profile on Tyree Kill, if I'm covering the entirety of his life and career, of course, that's a part of it, maybe a big part of it.

And let's see what he says about it and how he reflects on it, if he's willing to talk about it at all, but in the day-to-day coverage of the team, I'm not gonna bring stuff like that up every chance I get because I don't find it relevant right now to what's going on with the team and how good they are. You should be able to celebrate his accomplishments on the field without having to bring it up

every single time. Okay, but what? That's how I feel. Okay, and you guys are fine in saying that, I agree with you, but I'm asking in an impossible terrain for you to give me a number because you're being absolute. You shouldn't have to mention it every time. Okay.

So how many times should I mention it? How often should I mention it? What is the distinction? How long should go by before these things are allowed to disappear into the ether? Once a month for me. Well, I mean, I think like if you're discussing like he missed all of last season because you mentioned it there, right?

But it's like, oh, and that's a first down by DeShon Watson who was accused of like then that's kind of like, well, what are you doing? It's the third court of the game. When you're addressing why it is that he's been gone, it would be silly not to explain why it is that he's been gone because people could think like, oh, it could be injury, whatever.

But what's my answer to this particular criticism? What is the correct answer to you? Let's tell correct answer. Like, it's not like there's like a chart that we look at and we're like, okay, well, this was the offense you have eight months and three days that you get to mention this. There's no answer that's gonna satisfy the critics

who are coming at you for not talking about to re-kill and what he's done off the field every single time you bring him up. There is no right answer for that person. I think with Xavier Howard, that's a lot of speculation. So it not being discussed makes sense because we don't know what's true and what's not there. Now another factor is what is the effect of the controversy on the on-field

performance? In the case of DeShan Watson, it's fairly recent, it's just last year, and it's fair to wonder as badly as he's playing through two games, it's fair to ask is the shame he might feel or the controversy that he's still dealing with all these ongoing lawsuits, is that affecting his on field performance? That's a legitimate question to ask. And so I would bring that up in the context of writing about what's wrong with Dishon Watson. What are your thoughts?

What are the audience's thoughts? I would have liked to have talked to Tyree Kill over the stance of if he comes on here, people who manage Tyree Kill's career, he will get a question about this and then the interview evaporates because what does he need to do that for if he could just be on his own podcast saying whatever he wants without anyone asking him about that. Like I know that Stugots would have, we don't do conditions around here on interviews, but I'm genuinely asking the audience right now, what is the right play? Because I don't think doing that buys me anything.

I don't think anyone cares about it other than me talking about it now. And there he goes, grandstanding, or there he goes. Another one of his moral causes when he's willing to celebrate Tyree Kill every time he runs 80 yards. The right play for you is exactly how you handled it for you. Everyone's different Dan, but for you that's what what is it by you is what I'm asking what the price of that principle is what does anyone I don't believe anyone in the audience care. Yeah, but you care and it's your show and it's your voice. So you made the decision that I think everyone who knows

you knows that you would make. And what you gain is what you already have, which is integrity. And some people in the audience probably do appreciate that you wouldn't have Tyree Killon with the condition that you not ask him about the controversy in his past. On the other hand, and I didn't always do this very well, I try to put myself in the athlete's shoes as well.

I don't blame Tyree Kill for not wanting to rehash what's a few years in the past now. I don't blame him. I feel like he feels like he's moved on. I think he's got the right to move on and pending any current rehash of what's caused his problems in the first place. I don't think it should be forgotten, but I don't think it needs to be regurgitated every time he's talked about.

But Greg, I also don't blame Dan for not wanting stipulations or whatever the agreement was. No, that speaks well. I don't blame him at all. Yeah, right. Yeah. Neither of you are necessarily wrong in that instance, right? Because you have the standard that you want to set

and you want to uphold. But also, like, him and his people's job is to put him in a position to succeed. So, like, if anyone here had some sort of controversy and they were going out to promote a book or whatever, you'd be like, we're just going to talk about this. We're not going to talk about that. And, you know, with the way that the media is now

and with the fact that he has his own podcast, he doesn't need to go on one specific thing. He can pick and choose where he goes. But this is my point, or what I would say to you, that yes, we can both not be wrong, but only one of us is being penalized. Because I don't actually believe that anyone cares, the way they think about journalism these days.

Lord knows how tired they are of hearing me talk about journalism. As journalism dies, I don't believe that the audience at large cares about that. I think if I gave the audience the choice, Hey, audience, do you want to hear from Tyree Kale or do you want Tyree Kale's interviewed to be canceled? Because I've got to ask him a question about his past. My guess is the audience is not going to choose the latter there and so the cost of that is one-sided. Yes, of course. I would be, if I were him or his handlers, yes, please only put me in places where I look good. That's their job. But it's a larger discussion, but this is like having a company.

You know what I mean? You decide what you want the standard to be, and if you want a pulled integrity in your journalism and the company, whatever, then you can take a stand and say, we're not gonna talk to XYZ people unless we can be completely transparent. And maybe some people will care,

and maybe some people won't, but it's just taking a stand. Some, look, you're not gonna make everyone happy no matter what you do, Dan. Like whether you talk to him or you don't talk to him, there's always gonna be someone that's upset about it. It's just what makes you more comfortable and what you're comfortable with the decision being.

I think a good portion of our audience would be disappointed if you agreed to that. If you were to have to re-kill on, do a home and home, and not ask them about his past I think they'd be disappointed in you. I do. A large portion of the audience. I also think it's, it's context matters here though. If it's a South Beach sessions where famously you talk about personal stuff and and deep stuff Of course you have to get into the entire day of it. If you have him on for 10 15 minutes to talk about the dolphin game last week

I don't know that it's something that has to be brought up Another quick example because there's a million examples across sports Mike McDaniel over the summer acknowledged that he's had alcoholism problems and that he's working very hard to get passed those If I'm doing a big profile on Mike McDaniel, that's a big issue. That's a big part of his life. If I'm just writing a game column, I don't need to go. McDaniel, who over the summer admitted about with alcoholism, you know, it just depends on the context for me.