The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Our Senile Old Man

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

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This is what I always imagined the shadows showed to be why don't you describe for the audience? What is presently happening to me as we prepare for the show? Well, you're having makeup applied I'm not making that up which has been my standard makeup joke for about the last 40 years seriously Gotta play the hits man. You have to I mean I'm serious Seriously. Gotta play the hits, man. You have to. I mean, I'm serious. There's not enough makeup in the world, Dan.

How would you describe, Greg, I just went to you because we're not on video, to describe for the audio audience what's presently happening in my face because they can't see us. So not just am I getting makeup applied, what is happening specifically? A brush is brushing your nose It's got a tickle a little bit. I don't know what's being implied because I don't speak makeup You know, I don't I don't know the lingo you just have that one joke. You've been using for 40 years. Yeah, exactly I'm not making you want to describe like contouring and stuff. I want the audience. I want the audience This is the most precious audience to me this one right here the one that only hears what we're doing I love the audio version of

this the best and right now Jesse is running gel through my hair under my headphones and I just wanted you to describe it for a group of people like an old-timey baseball guy you're in the center of something that people really love yes doing the best you can with that hair my point is if we're gathering we've got I don't know how many people are here right now three minutes of tailgating before this nonsense starts every day but whoever it is that's here would love to be in the center of what's happening every day but they can't see it right now so I'm leaving it to you a wordsmith describe it if you quit talking and give

me a chance I'll start describing it right now you're having mascara applied you're having rouge mascara mascara, lip balm. The spritz. The spritz. The spray. You don't have to make it up, you can just describe. I'm not. I'm not making it up, I already said that.

You're really backseat driving this thing, huh? I mean, seriously, Levotard spends a minute and a half talking nonstop about how I should be describing something. He doesn't let me get a word in edgewise. This guy, I need a shovel and a hoe to get a word in edgewise. My favorite part was, now I'm presently getting my hair gelled under my headphones. Greg, can you describe what is happening? It's so ridiculous what's happening right now. You gotta apply the gel around the headphones

so when he takes off his headphones there's gonna be a little strip, a landing strip of hair that's not gelled. It's gonna look ridiculous Okay, just you guys I want you guys all of you close your eyes for a second Can you guys close your eyes all of you right now? I don't look none of you I want you guys I just please all of you close your eyes Billy I'm asking you to I want everyone close and the audience won't know the difference well your eyes are open I know because I'm about to quiz you guys. We have a big development. Dan is now having false eyelashes applied. And can I be honest?

They're a little bit showy. They're a little bit gaudy, these false eyelashes. They must be about an inch long each. It's ridiculous looking. I mean come on. You're not making that up. I'm not making that up. Jesse actually pulled the longest eyebrow hair

from my eyebrows yesterday. It was something to behold Oh, I've got a couple of grays in the eyebrows that hurt it hurt to have more than just the eyebrows She takes a little plucker and she plucked it out. It was like the longest hair I've ever had That was cool. I've just decided the beard. Beards got a few in there. Wild Billy Wednesday You stumbled onto another wild Billy Wednesday. Hold on to your hats, partners. It's about to go wild.

Oh no, I forgot it was Wednesday. The hockey playoffs have ransacked me. I don't know what day it is anymore. I'm assuming you guys after years of ESPN where we pretended to care about the hockey playoffs because our team never mattered I'm assuming that you guys are tired and happy to have had the last few days off to be able to get your heavy tongues together too much partying too much enjoying being excellent. You know how rare this thing is

to be playing at the top of the sport against this titan, against this guy, you know, Otani of hockey. It's the best team versus the best guy. It's Paul Maurice, this is the best team of my life. I've had my life perspective altered by the depth of this team. It's sort of ultimate hockey grit against

Giant from all times for all times you're describing what I was hoping in these few days People would be able to contextualize how amazing this cup final is They were there were many people in the media sphere that cover that that sport specifically saying game seven last year It's one of the biggest hockey games of all time if not the biggest hockey game of all time given that a team was up 3-0 given that you had the best player in the world looking to accomplish a 3-0 comeback in the Cup final and here they are after Matthew Kachuk tells Skinner in the handshake line we'll see you next year they're back they're both better than they were

last well this is the crazy part right because Greg Cody is now in the middle of it again, right? Chris, how much does your father know about this controversy now where a national hockey podcast is coming after your father? Your father? We will whisper this to our audience. I don't know that he can name any other Oilers other than Dreisaitl and McDavid. And Stewart Skinner and all the others. I just gave you that one. I'm sorry, I wasn't listening.

Regardless, it'll be our secret. He says McDavid's overrated, it's a serious thing, and it's been international controversy for two seasons because now we got a rematch. And think about what you just said. Last year's Panther team, obviously the best team of all time. Now, this one, considered better.

And what? Who's favored in this series? what who's favored in this series? Who should be favored in this series? They're both favored. Yeah. The house is just completely satisfied taking the big. It's just sort of like we'll run in the 10% of you'll bet both sides of this because we know what this game means. This to me, this part is the greatest part. Canada and the United States. I saw Chris and Mike go crazy in the middle of the season say it doesn't matter whether Kachuk gets hurt for the rest Of three seasons. He's got a win on behalf of the flag right now

So you've got the patriotism going back and forth and again the swamp threatens to take Canada sport away from him and when both Countries know yeah that player is great and he's great for all time them and when both countries no yet that players great and he's great for all time he's a king for all time and i can't believe that that team survive being down or two against the kings down last five minutes of game three down last five minutes again for and then twelve and two since then a buzz saw

that proves to you all this guy can score two goals every game can dominate every game in a way No other player in the sport can and are blowing up Blueprints the same way that the Florida Panthers are Kings. They're they're trying to figure out. What is their identity? The Dallas stars probably fire and Peter DeBoer and they've been you want to talk about a team that's suffering Dallas made it to a cup final and the bubble has been eliminated and bounced from the Western Conference finals several consecutive years They are absolutely doing in the Western Conference what Florida has been doing in the East I saw a scary stat for Panthers fans Every team in NHL history that has lost their first two playoff games and then made it to the Stanley Cup

Final has won the cup and there's some big teams in there Okay, but let me let me reiterate what I just said from when they were down 0-2 at the start of this postseason. 12-2 since then, this is Edmonton, they've now got home ice and they've got the acknowledged best player in the world. It's no slight on the Panthers, but the Panthers were champions last year, they're better. Edmonton came within a goal of doing something no one in the sport ever had coming down from 3-0, they're better. Edmonton came within a goal of doing something no one in the sport ever had coming down from 3-0, they're better. 12-2 through the postseason through that conference when we saw how high the top of the sport was 10 hundred point teams but no the Panthers were going to turn something else on in the playoffs and they've buzzed through their side. What we're

saying is that both teams are better and now it's a fight at the top of the sport and the best player in the sport and a player for all time has home ice advantage. Roy, the entire time we've been a show, you've been passionate about hockey. Is it safe to say that in terms of talent level, team quality, anticipation.

This is the most anticipated Stanley Cup finals since maybe the rematch of Penguin's Detroit Red Wings. Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Considering last season's series, yes, I think this is probably the most anticipated because this one, everybody's going for the all-ers right now. It's pretty split.

I've seen like, I saw ESPN had eight people pick. I think they're split four-four. Wait a minute, I thought everyone picked against ESPN had eight people pick. I think wait a minute I thought everyone picked against the Panthers in round one. I thought everyone they did they did against Toronto as well Okay, no favorite in this series. We're acknowledging Greg. You're in the middle of the controversy again. Can we play this sound? Can you guys tell me the historical context of this podcast? That's now attacking grandpa Greg Cody for saying that McDavid is overrated. Well, historical context, they're two young guys. But the What Chaos Show has been great,

Pete Blackburn is a great follow on social media. If you love hockey, he views everything through a humorous prism. He's great, he's in our hockey group chat. Chris Cody just learned that as he was shit talking his dad the entire day yesterday in the group chat. I was agreeing with him. Yeah, to Chris's credit, he makes a lot of good points.

In this podcast clip, this guy's Pete Blackburn is wearing a white hat, and I didn't know him by name, and they send the clip, and apparently this guy's in the chat, I just know, I see phone numbers, so I don't know. All right, wait, so just give me the backstory here. So how have you now inserted yourself into a popular hockey podcast?

How have you done this? Well, because the clip was put in the group chat and then Mike kind of knowing I'm in the chat is like, be careful everyone. Chris is in here. Like let's not go too hard here. And then I responded. I agree with white hat. Kick those people out of the group chat immediately. I want to tell you how this started. Roy texted me yesterday morning and saying, Hey, these guys are friends of mine. They want to have you on the show. texted me yesterday morning and saying hey these guys are friends of mine They want to have you on the show guess what I was available all day

I even said to Roy yesterday is a good day for me if they want to get me the cowards did not even reach out Just want and well not the other guy white hat just wanted to trash talk me without giving me the chance, and here I'm on the Dan Lebatard show. Dan is continuing the myth. Now we're referring to Conor McDavid as the all-time greatest, as Ohtani, and guess what? You can't be a king if you don't have a crown. He's the uncrowned champion. Everyone's clear on why you think Conor McDavid is Mick overrated. Let's play the clip. Let's play the clip so he can contextualize himself why he didn't want you on the show. It's the laziest, stupidest, f***ing mailed-in column that this guy probably hasn't watched a second of the Oilers. I have indeed.

That's columnist behavior though. People like this exists though. This is way lazier. This is he's not making any sort of like coherent or strong point that you can agree with. He's just like the Stanley Cup thing is fine. You can have that argument though, like you can't truly be considered one of the great until you win a Stanley Cup. But saying that's part of a reason why he's overrated right now in the middle of his career is so stupid, so lazy, so dumb.

It's been trotted out there 900 million times for 900 million athletes. He's not doing anything new. He's just replaying and moving the pieces back into place so that it fits the narrative against the team that the Panthers are going against. Those young guys are good. I agreed with everything they said. That's what I said, I was like, I agree with them. I'm on their side on every argument.

I stand against Greg Cody. I stand, Greg Cody, let's let Greg have the floor because Mike, this is the thing Okay for people who have been here for two years and Roy you tell me whether I have this right or not We're sitting here doing this show through two playoff runs unlike anything We've sort of felt in the history of South Florida. They don't short us Okay, so forgive me three and in that time as Mike was saying about how teams get sliced up in that time Please respect this part

Florida took out Tampa the previous champion Nuked the blueprint of Boston and the Rangers who seemed like a long time ago because now the king is in Edmonton And the eyes have been here for a while because these two teams have ascended to the very top of the sport where everyone's watching this. No one knows who's going to win and is very much star against team. We know both of these teams are better and I don't want you to dumb it down to make David is overrated either. But people who've been listening for two years know that this show got scared last year billboard and everything else mike ryan a crazy person

just insane refused to allow me to put up billboards in defense of you and edmonton because he thought we were going to jinx whatever happened and our show would be forever cursed almost did with the real estate asinine justin asinine greatest player an asinine. You're the greatest player, and I don't know if you've looked in his eyes this off season, but it is a scary thing. I'm not looking.

Scary quotes. This is the thing, this is the, what I can't keep happening around here because I want the stakes maximum escalated. Mike Ryan is deathly afraid that on this platform, you're going to say something on our behalf on south florida's behalf on the panthers back that in rages and all-time great and we're with the young guys they're smarter about hockey than you are you

just came over lazily and gave the newspaper take of that guy has anyone anything overrated yeah it's it's funny that that you're jumping on board him calling it a lazy opinion when nobody else in North America has that opinion. If I'm alone... Yeah, because it's asinine. No, it is an asinine. I want to defend my dad a little bit here. In that clip, in that clip, he like throws a throwaway line of agreeing with him. Okay, good point on the Stanley Cup stuff. That's really all my dad is saying.

Right, because it goes without saying, if a guy is considered one of the greatest of all time He's going to need a cup and I understand your point and saying like middle of his career He's been in the league for 10 years. You know what that makes him 28 years old That makes him 28 years old He's got about like five to six more years of being this kind of elite talent, right? Let's judge him then at the end of it. I mean, it goes without saying he's going to need to win at least a cup to be considered in the same conversation with Wayne Gretzky.

But in terms of individual talents, this guy that won the con Smythe, as you were calling him overrated. Okay. So he's the best player in this series by quite a bit, which is in and of itself as ridiculous to give the cons my to a losing play con man Smiley con man smite is more like it Billy is right on the mark. Thank you bulls eye on that one Bullseye right to the heart listen You you got our trophy you guys keep referring to him as the king. He's uncrowned. Okay, let's start there You you just can't

Hop on board something something that makes no sense. Okay, it doesn't make any sense to say, oh, give him another five years when he's already had 10. It's a team sport, he's the best. He's not. You know what, there's five skaters on the ice, just like there's five players on the wood in basketball. Guess what?

Michael Jordan did okay as the best player on a team. He won championships in the same city, Edmonton. A guy named Wayne Gretzky won about five Stanley Cups for the city of Edmonton. That was, he was just one guy too, but he was a guy who rose above it all and carried his team in a way that McDavid has not yet. I've never said McDavid was not a great player, but now you see the rest of the media sort of coming on board. I read a headline, I think it was on ESPN yesterday,

and the headline was something to the effect, McDavid's back is to the wall, he needs to win a Stanley Cup. That's what I said last year and I continue to say it. It's not a denigration of his talent. It's just, to me, it's stating the obvious, but I was the first one to state that obvious Mick overrated is not a denigration of his talent

No, because here's why mike here's why? He didn't assign himself that plateau. Okay, you know who did the media did and fans did we and I don't include myself We were the ones saying he's the king. You mean mcjesus Jesus yeah, yeah, you came up with you. You mean McJesus. McJesus, right. You came up with McOverrated. You came up with McOverrated. Right, right. Everybody in the media, all the fans, not just in Canada,

are saying this guy. Nobody ever, anybody like him, he's number one all the time. He's pretty great. Everyone agrees. Everyone agrees. Everyone watches. It's not that great. You guys think that you're going to be

friends with Conor McDavid? Like, I don't understand all this ass kissing and Peter Blackburn. A lot of glazing going on, yeah. Like who cares what Peter Blackburn thinks about anything? Yeah, Peter Blackburn. Why are you guys here going to defend him over Greg Cody who you've known for 20 years?

It's like you want the Panthers to lose at what it sounds like. You want them to lose so that this Connor McDavid can win the cup and you can all be right. Oh, I was so right about Connor McDavid, now he's gonna be my friend. Guess what? He doesn't give a shit about any of you. He's never gonna give a shit about any of you.

I don't know why you're all defending him. And you know what? When the Panthers win, no one in this room can celebrate except Greg Cody, who won't because he's a journalist. Thank you. Because the rest of you are just rooting for this Connor McDavid to win and beat the Panthers for whatever reason, which I don't understand. So Peter Blackburn can come in your group chat

and be like, thanks guys for having my back. I wanna be your friend. I'm Peter Blackburn. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Get outta here. Go to hell, Peter Blackburn. Thank you. You know what, Billy?

I'm glad you finally speak. Where's the loyalty in this building? It's embarrassing. Bunch of star f***s around here just wanting to get the big names to be your friends. Embarrassing. Billy, I will tell you what's happening here. Blackburn, what chaos?

Excellent. What chaos is my question? You're not spitting chick, let's get out of here. We don't need two hockey podcasts in the world, okay? Peter, the hockey show, that's the one I meant. I guess we need two, the hockey show. Thank you. Billy is still enraged from yesterday's pastelitos.

Two days of pastelitos. No, that's behind me. They were good, I had a couple. Thank you, Greg. You did? Yeah, I had two. Yeah, he did. You did?

Didn't they taste a day old? Maybe, but the flavor was there, the crunch was there. They were great. Billy, you are correct. And what was happening in the other room, this is what was happening, that Billy's been walking into. He is correct?

Yes. Thank you, finally. Must win game today, I think we can all agree. No, I must win games. That I'm star bleeping Peter Blackburn? You are, Mike, come on, you're a known star. No! That's it, yeah.

You just wanna be around celebrities. Billy, what? We know. I hate Wednesdays, this is the third straight one I've been scheduled on, get me the fuck out ofs! This is the third straight one I've been scheduled on! Get me the f*** out of here! I don't want any part of this! And I'm like adhering to some kind of like Wild Billy Wednesday construct.

I'm just like laying out, I'm like yeah let me take this ridiculous shit because he's got graphics? What is this? You know what? I'm like laying out as he calls me a start I'm like yeah no well it's a Wednesday you know what I'm like that insulting Mike minor panel and you're like he's right what yes get out because he has graphics yes it's his day and Mike Ryan Monday you're in you're in his way no it's everyone everyone is hoping Mike Farr can talk. It's his day.

We've been talking hockey and we've been talking hockey very seriously. For who? Respect Wild Billy. Who's it a must win for? Today. It's a must win. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is game one ever must win? Oh it is. In this series it is.

No, but I'm just saying, okay, I got what you're saying. It's a championship. I'm saying game one can't. It's the Stanley Cup final. All the games must win. No, but see? No, that's not correct. Roy's elevated this.

It is correct, what are we talking about here? It's the championship round. Game two's a must win too. No, that's not correct. Just simply not all must win. They all must win. This is not. Do you wanna go down all one?

Thank you, Roy gets it, finally. Feel like White Hat would agree with me on this, that they're not all must win. This is not. Do you wanna go down all one? Thank you, Roy gets it, finally. Feel like White Hat would agree with me on this, that they're not all must win. Tony, you understand, because just let me, let me retreat for a moment, Greg, because you weren't here when this was happening. I saw Tony, okay? Tony endures, now that Boston and New York and Miami are out,

he'll love basketball, but he endures this time of year in hockey. I saw him in the other room, he was surrounded by people who were dorking out on whether or not Bennett was the sixth or fifth best Panther if we had to redraft them in a draft. We were drafting Oilers and Panthers from this series. No, it was just, no, what you were doing is asinine,

and I heard chirping all around you that Ethan who can't get enough hockey vomit all over everybody and Tony the entire time is just staring straight ahead blankly as if he's been lobotomized and I saw him It was just words grazing across his face with foreign names Say are saying Bobrovsky the way Barkley does Can you guys get for me the sound of either Barkley or Kendrick Perkins trying to talk Saying Bobrovsky the way Barkley does. Can you guys get for me the sound of either Barkley or Kendrick Perkins trying to talk about Bobrovsky? So the issue is, Jesse's doing my makeup

and she's doing like a laser kind of thing to my eyes. I've got bags under my eyes. Dan haven't slept in God knows how long. So I'm just doing my thing. I'm listening, I'm talking to my friends. All of a sudden, let's draft Oilers and Panties. I'm trying to figure out who's on who's team. I don't know. So I hear Sam Bennett. I'm like to figure out who's on whose team, I don't know.

So I hear Sam Bennett, I'm like, I think I've heard that, you know, locally. I think I've heard Goldie say Sam Bennett before. Oh, but they all roast. Mike was making the argument for Sam Bennett like fifth or sixth, which is. That's impossible, he's for sure third. No.

Right? No, the top three are clearly McDavid, Barkey, Dreisaitl. And then you get into. White Leon, that's right. And then you get into Bob, you get into Bouchard, you get into the. Is he a Panther? is he not a Panther? Rhino, you can do there.

It's a real debate after the first three. Bob's another thing. I'm tired of you guys praising Bob. You tried to kick him out of town for Spencer Night like three seasons ago. That's true. Enough of this. That's true.

The key thing you said there, that was three seasons ago. We've been saying sorry to him for like two and a half years. Now we kicked him out of town. Admitting what I'm on. The show has never been more wrong than it was about Barkley's beloved Sergei Bababkov. We were right back then.

We were down on Barky too. He would go missing. I rushed back to draft Panthers. All right, I'll take the first pick. I don't think that was two minutes. I don't think Mike was gone for two minutes. And Billy, I don't want to get in the way of wild Billy Wednesday I'm checking the way this is Stanley Cup final today must win game tonight. You haven't said for who yet

Yeah, who's it a must win for everybody? What's it? That's not good. Yeah, I just don't look if the Oilers go down one I want to tell one that's bad if the Panthers go down. Oh one. It's bad. It's must win Thank you. We're all on the same page. Most of us are on the same page. Who's going to la carreta? That's the question. There you go.

Talk to the Knicks. Knicks, they needed that first game. It's true. And I'm losing the pace. But it was a must win. Then Tibbs get fired. I was actually thinking about this yesterday. If that shot doesn't go in, is Tibbs still hired?

Yes. If the one shot doesn't go in, to be a finals berth you can't fire the coach right at the very well at the very least they'd be in a game seven right they were on the ball we're drafting oilers and we're not gonna do that McDavid went first yep these overdrafts waiting forever for payday no thanks that's why I'm all in on chime set up direct deposit get paid up to two days early. Yeah, 2 days before everyone else.

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Don LeBattard. You owe me everything. You owe me everything. You have added 10 years, Mike. Yes, I have. This man has. That man. That man.

Who the hell are you? Stugats. I am. Who the hell are you? Who the hell are you? Bullshit. Me. You're a rude young man.

You're a fool. You're a fool. I already called you a fool. You're a fool. You're a fool. You're a fool. You rude young man. You're a fool. You're a fool. I already called you a fool. You can't call me a fool. You're an idiot again.

You're an idiot twice. You're an idiot for dismissing how much I've helped you. This is the Don LeBataar Show with the Stugats. God's. Billy, I'm I'm a little bit worried about you saying this is must win and Roy agreeing with you. Why? Because game one in no series ever played throughout all of sports history that is best of seven or really best of three. Game one is never must win. You don't get it. You don't get it. You don't get it.

It's about setting the tone for the series. I just gave you an example. The Knicks needed to win game one. They lost the series. Can I get this sound again, please, of these two very popular hockey podcasters that Greg Cody has called cowards? popular only white hat is a color chris i have never heard your father

referred to anybody publicly as a coward your father i've said this to you guys before you know if you know your father holds himself very high esteem as a journalist it's important to him to be a journalist and as a columnist and i'm speaking for you here greg but you tell me if i have it wrong he knows that like edwin pope our mentor before us when a columnist howard uh... hammers you with a criticism it's more than just some sports radio guy in a microphone who doesn't have the kind of standard that a newspaper man must have about treating human beings with humanity

because you have to interact with them and and what not i have nothing wrong so far no that that's fair but i think that it used to be that more than it is now your point is is appreciated but this is this is the objection that you have is it not is it is it is it not to what it is that the silliness is around us that we're not as uh... did that that that your high-minded about when you criticize somebody with coward right it's a stinging criticism meant to rebuke from on high with the moral

authority of journalism even though nobody respects journalism the way they used to know i'm calling him a coward for two reasons number one he went after you what no white hat is the one who uh... didn't want me didn't want me on, okay? White hat is the- I'm so glad about that. The other guy did, he didn't. I told you on this past week's Greg Cody Show,

we can't have you on these type of podcasts. No, that's not true. You will get exposed. Why? You'll get exposed. No. Because he can name two players, well, three, because we said Skinner at the top end, and you keep calling him White Hat for an audio only clip.

His name's Pete. Well, no one cares about his name, he's not important. He called Greg a senile old man which is incredibly disrespectful and redundant and then he was a coward as Greg pointed out because he didn't even want to talk to Greg thank you guys afraid he's other things too we're not gonna call him that if he had me on the podcast I would have gutted him like a fish okay you know what I want you to go on what chaos I know defend don't even dignify them with that on Why are you trying to give it? I'm not gonna be a coward don't give it to them

Okay, I don't get invited on don't give it to them. Don't even acknowledge their existence Losers yeah, Billy brings up a good point. Maybe I maybe I shouldn't at this point you shouldn't okay Why would you do it they insulted you that's no way to treat a guest but but you know what when when you call someone You're dealing with ageism here when you know what when you call someone you're dealing with Ageism here when you refer to someone you've never met as a senile old man That's a an insult of the most personal or let me fair. Let me hear this again, please. Let me hear this again It's totally very he is right to take offense We all are as a this is what Billy's in support of like I'm I I am also torn here because I disagree with you

Pretty fervently on just factual principal grounds That McDavid is pretty good and we can all acknowledge that without calling him Okay, but but I will now turn around and I will fight the masses with you on He may be a senile old man. He's not. But he's our senile old man. I know I'll rally around him which is why I want him to go over there and expose how flimsy this all is.

No, not happening. Imagine writing off a 27 year old man. Don't dignify them with that response Greg. Don't even. Greg's been covering hockey since his peak guy was in his dad's sack, okay? Like enough of this. First of all, I'm not writing him off. What I'm saying is, you don't get to be McJesus

and the next Gretzky and the greatest player ever until you wanna finish that. Which White Hat kind of agrees with me. Greg's commentary is more so on the media covering him than on McDavid himself, and the media doesn't wanna look themselves in the mirror and say that they aired in any way. That they may have been wrong and they may have jumped the gun.

Greg would be happy, more than happy, to see an all-time great hockey player playing, another all-time great hockey player, playing in his lifetime. But he's not ready to just be crowning fake kings here, which is what the media is doing. And now, because Connor hasn't lived up to the expectations that the media gave him, fairly or unfairly to Connor,

which we're not gonna say, now the media's backtracking. And now they're so in the camp of Connor McDavid, because they don't wanna be wrong about this situation, that they're not calling any of this without bias. There's clear bias here. Okay, Billy, thank you for this. And I believe, Billy, I believe that- Were there Tiger Woods's overrated columns

in the early 2000s? Cause that's what this feels like right now. Tiger Woods was a winner. Connor McDavid's a loser. Tiger Woods introduced himself to America by winning the Masters by a thousand points. At no point was he overrated. Just please.

Learn your history, Buck. All right. The reason I'm siding with Billy on this is because I insist that he put on a tie and as Greg Cody's representative, that he go to war with this other podcast here that disparages our beloved Greg Cody. Play this sound again, because they're coming after Greg Cody, our beloved senile old man in a way that's aggressive and disrespectful.

And again, getting in the way of what Mike Ryan wants to do, which is celebrate very politely. Draft players. These two great teams. I just want to draft players. These two. Where do you put Bouchard? Also, Otani was 29 when he won his first World Series.

Play this sound again. Play it again for Greg Cody. Play it again for Greg Cody, please. It's the laziest, stupidest, fucking mailed in column that this guy probably hasn't watched a second of the Oilers this postseason. That's columnist behavior, though. I love that people like this exist, though.

This is way lazier. That's columnist behavior though. I love that people like this exist though. This is way lazier. This is, he's not making any sort of like coherent or strong point that you can agree with. He's just like the Stanley Cup thing is fine. You can have that argument though, like you can't truly be considered one of the great until you win a Stanley Cup. But saying that's part of a reason why he's overrated right now in the middle of his career is so stupid, so lazy, so dumb. It's been trotted out there 900 million times

for 900 million times. No, you know what, Berf, you don't know, Berf. He's just replaying and moving the pieces back into place. I'm now back on Greg Cody's side, because right in the middle of that, he's like, well, on that Stanley Cup thing, he was kind of right. That is a good point there.

Yeah, he hasn't won a championship. Well, you gotta pick a side, Levitt, though. Yeah, pick a side, Dan. Because I heard the nine minutes that these guys did on my dad, which is hilarious, and in it, he's like, if he wanted to write the column that eventually this noise will, that is essentially what my dad is doing.

Which is essentially what I wrote. He just put a Mick Overrated headline on it, and they basically is essentially what my dad is doing. He just put a Mick overrated headline on it and they basically agree with what my dad is saying. They're just saying, don't call him overrated. Just say he needs to win a title. I think it's just the Mick overrated part. I'm gonna give you a bit of a statistical boost here for your argument because there was one person that these discussions were being had for

when he was at a similar age. LeBron won his first title at 27 and the narrative around LeBron was he needs to win a title especially after he formed a super team with Miami. So I think if you're chasing ghosts and trying to compare goats the LeBron narrative actually fits your argument here but he is very clearly the best player the most talented player of a generation probably beyond that I will say like I wasn't around to see Wayne Gretzky's prime this is the greatest player I've ever seen but and you've been saying this for three seasons because what they do on the power play is ridiculous but Billy I think

everybody was making fun of me yesterday because a couple of different times and Roy I think you'll appreciate this I was describing without saying McDavid's name even on first reference what cometh this way I would only say it about two players I've ever watched, and I guess Otani would be among them now, but it'd be LeBron and this guy on what's obvious to all that this is whatever Wemba Nyama is supposed to be faster. This is all time great forever player,

where even Gretzky's like, yeah, I see all of that is, and I'm like, that's the most complete thing I've seen since me. Everyone can see it, it's obvious. And I guess when you look at LeBron, people were calling him a Lebrick, that he didn't have a clutch gene, well before he even went to Miami.

So I think they held them to an impossible standard. And if you wanna compare that apple to that specific apple, you're totally right in saying that he needs to do this. I think the frustrating part is I got no doubt that he's going to get one. He's going to get one and he's got plenty of time. Just not this year. Greg has doubt. Greg will continue to doubt until he's wrong.

Okay, he's certainly great enough to be a champion, to win a champion. But 10 years in, he isn't, or I should say nine years in, he isn't. But when you call him the most complete player ever, he's not a complete player. Nobody thinks he's a great defensive player. He's been playing on the penalty kill more. He's certainly a threat on shorthanded. He's not the best defensive forward on his team, but he's improved those aspects of his game.

But I understand why. Are you going to just keep undercutting him? No, no. What I'm going to say is if you're talking about the most complete player in this final it's probably Barkov okay the most all-round well I got dry sidled second we haven't drafted I think the Gulf offensively between dry side on Barkov is wider than the debate old white hat like here's the thing they're coming on their podcast and they're going through news from a

Year ago to try to stir up anything that they possibly know no he wrote the column No, okay, they're trying to bait you copy and paste two things number one was it the same column as last year it is First I gotta make this it's a re-release. That's what they do with the classics like movies Sometimes you go to the theater and Star Wars episode 1 is out again because they re-released the class, but it's a great It's an all-time. Okay, I don't know In there it's the same column. I don't know if anybody else noticed with white hat there Yeah, look closely One of his tattoo decals is peeling off

I noticed also an old Panthers jersey behind. How are we supposed to think that they know hockey? They don't have the right jerseys. I need to stop everyone. Okay and Going into this fight unless he does so with Billy as his attorney. Because I would like to debate. I'd like to have a debate. I don't worry about him being exposed as a senile old man if I can put- Quit repeating senile old man. Yeah, what is that?

Why do you keep repeating- What's going on here? That's terrible. Yeah. You shouldn't keep doing that. Just pick one of them. You're right to take offense. It's absolutely ridiculous.

It's unfair I'm actually offended that should be in a white hat white who's done nothing in his life. I don't know what Before spitting in a better voice Okay, but I'm offended that he called me a senile old man, and I don't need you But I'm offended that he called me a senile old man, and I don't need you Propping up that phrase. Okay next thing I know It's gonna be on a levitard t-shirt. That's the way it works. I mean, that's a great idea And you shouldn't have given us that but he's a senile old man This brings me to my next topic perfectly. I don't think you guys know

Just how perfectly we're gonna send Greg Cody into this fight and we're gonna send him with Billy Gill as his attorney. That's the chaos they're talking about. The thing I wanted to ask you guys is, 45 minutes ago when we started the Shadow Show, I asked you to close your eyes, nobody did, nobody follows instructions around here. My eyes are closed right now, Dan. Well, how'd you know my eyes were open?

Exactly, that's what I'm saying. How'd you know, yeah. His eyes hurt. Anyway, there was something on the desk here next to Greg Cody that I've since removed and what I wanted to ask the group here because we're out here and he's saying he needs a cup. McDavid will forever be under-overrated. He's gonna be what what Skip Bayless is to LeBron. Greg Cody is gonna be to McDavid where he's just questioning him the whole time. But I will not say senile old man again. However, if I were to say to you there is a senile old man who hypothetically came into the studio and next to him he

placed what would be his lunch next to him in a certain manner, what would that look like to you guys? If a man who did not have his bearings was at the end of life and was bringing in in the morning his lunch, what do you imagine that would look like? And that would be leading the witnesses here. Seriously. Just what would give off?

Bet he doesn't have his wits about him and he's seen that? I would say a construction boot. All right, what would give off the oldest possible senility that you would imagine? Because I'm gonna say that Greg Cody bringing in today as his lunch two Jell-O cups with a golden spoon in a Ziploc bag

would be what we'd be setting into this fight to argue on behalf of, McDavid is not as tough as you think he is, I'm Jell-O eating Greg Cody Greg Cody with jello cups as my lunch. There's got to be a reason for that. Okay, number one, I have never said anything or written anything to the effect he's not as tough as you think he is. I never said he wasn't a tough player.

He's a hockey player. He's a hockey player. Exactly. When you call someone not great defensively, that's kind of what you're saying. Well, obviously he's known for his speed and his offense okay he's not known for his defense. If anyone's broken down his forward-checking ability it's Greg Coate. He's never won the trophy that Markov just won for a second time as the best defensive forward in the league. He shouldn't have won it. Never won it. It's another trophy he hasn't won either

Greg. Well that's just it but Yeti's the king. Oh the king without a... Zero sugar. Yeti? Zero sugar. Okay can I king without a... Zero sugar. Yeti? Zero sugar. Okay, can I explain why? Well, sure, but I still want my hypothetical entertained. That's a pretty good one. But it's also uncharacteristic, so I imagine there's gotta be a reason behind this. There is a reason, but he's just playing it for laughs. That's right.

And when I tell you what the reason is, that's fit with the old man narrative that that he beats to death. Oh no so you're afraid to defend yourself because it just gives them more ammo? I brought in jello because yes everybody get ready to laugh keep the laugh track I am having a colonoscopy tomorrow. No no no. Okay yeah I'm an old look the old man is having a colonoscopy. It's all ruined. Guess what? Everybody over 45 should have a colonoscopy every five years because colon cancer is one of the most easy things to remedy if you catch it in time. Everybody, my middle-aged crowd out there,

have a colonoscopy. It's worth it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. Egg on your face, Dan. Hey, credit to him for showing up today.

He could've got out of today. 70 year old man having a colonoscopy tomorrow. I tried. Are you on that thing that just goes straight through you and makes you poop everywhere? Yes. You're on that right now? No, not now.

Oh, coffee. I'm not talking about coffee. I'm talking about what they give you. Yeah, yeah. You're not on it now. No, he is. He texted me yesterday like I may have to shit all show. Greg, no, if you're in the middle of doing that

and you've not done that before, you're gonna be running back and forth to the bathroom every three minutes. Have you not done this before? This is my third or fourth colonoscopy. So you're a veteran? Yeah, crystal bad. At this point he likes it.

I do, I sort of enjoy it. It's fun. Your insights have calloused to this medication that they gave you. Again, just in the hypothetical, a tapioca pudding of some sort. Yes, sans context, that makes him look like the senile man He's being alleged unfairly. I mean

Unfairly 12 hours before the Stanley Cup final begin an epic rematch this guys. This is an all-timer I know let's draft players number two Leon dry side. Oh, I got barkey with at three. What a steal I have a question, Dan. Are we doing this based on current form or projections? They've got two of the best three players. You disregard age, and it's just in this series who you want. That's how we draft. Okay, number three is gotta be Barky.

They've got two of the best three players.