The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Pablo Torre Has Done It Again

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Today’s show opens with a discussion of the tragic killing of Charlie Kirk, which occurred just a day before the 24th anniversary of 9/11. The crew then reacts to this morning’s episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, where new details emerge about the Kawhi Leonard no-show job scandal. Plus, Zaslow shares an embarrassing moment with our company’s COO, Darren Waller’s future with the Miami Dolphins remains uncertain, and Billy Gil continues to prove he’s an exceptional broadcaster. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Like, you've got to be shitting me. Five o'clock in the morning, everyone's waking up. That's 2 o'clock in the morning for the Clippers to figure out what Pablo's going to put out. It's an excellent point. Oh, my God. No, like they've got to be checking it. He's so far ahead on this story. And now what he dropped this morning, I would urge you right now, if you're listening to this,

just go listen to that. Yeah, don't listen to us. just like because he's got him cornered. Like he's got a paper trail that I guess you can contort yourself into trying to explain a way that the Clippers and Balmer were doing something that is going to take a magic dance from them in crisis and public relations to prove to the NBA that Pablo didn't just do the entire investigation that the NBA is going to have to do for the NBA. So are you are you speaking direct?

at Mark Cuban here? Is that what you're doing? Oh, no, I'm just... Team Bomber. I can't, yeah, team Dennis Wong now. He's going to have to tweet out because Balmer's college roommate and the only other person who has a percentage of the clippers. Balmer owns 99% and this guy owns 1%. His name's on the money that's going to aspiration in a way that Pablo tracks down

that is hard. It's just, it's almost impossible to ever. have something that looks this much like evidence on rule breaking. Oh, thank you for doing that. Now I don't actually have to listen to Pablo's podcast. I can keep it locked right here. What was the most shocking thing to use

Zaslow? Because seeing the tie together of there's no way that Balmer didn't know that his college roommate and the person that he trusts with 1% of the franchise, it's just impossible to think that that person was acting alone. And I think the

Clippers might need him as a scapegoat. I don't know if it's shocking, but the most interesting part to me, because I'm obviously rooting for Pablo in this spot, the most interesting part to me was the timeline where on this date, they have no money, they're laying people off, on this date, Uncle Dennis, where's my money? And on this date, all of a sudden, this Dennis J. Wong comes swooping in with his $1.99 million payment, and then the timeline of right after that, Kauai gets his one. There's never this kind of paper trail. Usually people in this position of power, seventh richest man in the world, I told you about Prokerov on 60 Minutes, no computer. They can keep a long, long distance

that will give them the ability to deny things. But one of the reasons I think this one's so interesting is at least in part because this isn't illegal. It's just illegal according to the NBA. And why does Balmer have to play by their rules? Like I know they have a construct in the country club, But clearly he's like, yeah, I don't, you know, the rules, whatever. They're your rules, but there's not something illegal here that I'm doing.

I'm just breaking the rules of the NBA. It's illegal according to the NBA. It's not going to cause me any ramifications outside of the rules of the NBA. It's just sad, right? Like you bring in your friends and your trusted closest people, and then they betray you like this. Like you don't know what they're doing. They put you in these impossible spots. And now you have to answer for what your friend did.

He's got to sit there and sweat under the lights with Ramona Shelburne. It's tough. Does Pablo have a sports calendar? Like, does he not know tonight's commies, Packers? What a game, Billy. Like, that's crazy that we've decided today is the day

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we had Dallas and Philly. Today we've got Packers and commies. Wait until we get Dolphins bills in two weeks. I think Whitworth came in. He signed the papers, and they said, you know what, we can't keep. We can't keep.

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this story and has all the documentation on it we'll get to that in just a second Bomber flew all the way to Bristol the next day last time. Where's he flying today? Well, Billy doesn't believe that. Billy thinks it was an L.A. studio. I think it was Bristol. Bremona lives in L.A. Ramona flew to Bristol also.

They don't have those studios anymore. They do have it for the NBA show still. They canceled Sports Center, but it was reported they still do the NBA show out there. Pablo said in the episode, like, we made him fly across the industry. I don't know why you refuse to believe the journalism behind him flying to Bristol. I don't believe that he flew to Bristol. There are plenty people questions. flight log. You and Cuban are in on this together, it sounds like.

Also, that's like an insignificant portion of this story. I know, but you're really hung up on it. And while there are... No, I mean, you guys pointed it out. I didn't point it out. I just said one time, I don't think he flew to Bristol. I think he did it in the L.A. studio. I don't think it's ones. I'm reporting that exclusively. Okay, we can get hung up on this if you want. So just to be clear, because I believe the reason that he's reporting that part of the story is simply to point out that the seventh richest man in the world

doesn't have to dance to crisis very often and he's in trouble because when you hear this episode you'll be like oh my god this is even clearer than it was before that they are shrouded and engulfed and we'll call it circumstantial evidence but it's as close to documentation of paper trail as i've ever seen on on something that looks like this and we're talking about an amount of money that's extraordinary but we will get into that story it's again going to be the biggest story in sports of the day, but please turn down that sound for a second. It's commies and Packers tonight.

Yeah, you mentioned that. But mood of the country and on the 24th anniversary of 9-11, which I'm going to say is the last time I felt quite like this in terms of just horrified and sad about the state of America. and I will not make today about gun control and I won't make today about politics. I'm simply going to tell you that when Charlie Kirk is assassinated like that and I'm watching it on the internet and as horrifying a thing as you will see you.

It might be the worst thing I've ever seen. It's as horrifying a thing as you will see on the internet and without even knowing yet the suspect, I can tell you this much. that was precision on killing someone in a way that maybe that person could have gotten to a hospital, but I feel like that was dead if he had landed on the operating table right behind him just because of the precision of what happened there. So totally horrifying thing to watch, and I don't know which feeling is stronger inside of me, sad or scared. because I know, because what happens immediately after that, because we're so connected to the internet, because people are so lonely, and because there's like a lack of humanity in the air, whether it's a healthcare CEO killed in the street, everything's a video game, everything's a cartoon, you're disconnected from humanity in a way that you see a snuff film like that. It's horrifying. And immediately the conversation that starts, it's either about gun control or right and left. And it's like, no, that's where we are. That's where we are. That's where we're.

we are as a country where we're going to start, I'm not going to say normalizing that, but we did this with the healthcare CEO where all of a sudden the conversation after where everything's content. It feels like I'm living in natural born killers. Like the movie Natural Born killers with Woody Harrelson, I feel, Oliver Stone, it feels like I'm living inside of it. Like you didn't know if you were sad or mad. It made me sad the whole thing. And by the way, like seeing the actual video of it, 1,000% adds to the horror of it. Like if we only had the video, that far away video, which was the first one that I saw, it's like, holy shit. But then when you see the other videos, it's a completely different story than at that

point. And then I became mad throughout the day yesterday because I just don't understand the whole reaction. Oh, well, you know, you weren't upset when that happened. You weren't upset when that happened. And that went from me to being like sad about this man and the family and it made me mad just a lot of the reaction I saw. people like to disassociate when things like this happen we don't have video off and it makes it easy to disassociate that's what that looks like and i'm also scared too because they apprehended two people and they released them this is as dan mentioned this was a very dangerous individual that is still at large and the longer this thing goes without a suspect in custody the crazier the online theories will get the worse the rhetoric will get the more kooky theories people will be apply to this and it's a it's a scary time no doubt i don't normally do this i you know my son my younger son sent me my younger son's 13 he we love watching south park together so he knows who charlie kirk is because they had an episode this season centered around charlie kirk and so my son sends me

a mess he's at the gym he sees it on teakles you know charlie kirk is dead and and i i wrote him back and i said have you seen the video and he said i have not and i said and i don't normally do this We're pretty liberal in our house as far as information we share and when we talk about. And I told my son, I go, I'd prefer you to watch the video. And so today, I don't, I think he's listened to me. I don't think he's seen it yet. I will also say by context, because I don't want to be prisoner of the moment, as I'm talking about the 24 years between 9 and 11 and this, there is daily horrifying video coming out of Gaza and, there is plenty on the internet that is horrifying and I think a lot of people react to it in

much the same way that they react to what they just saw with Charlie Kirk because it feels like we're in a simulation here where things that you're watching in video you're like that can't be so that's something out of the movies that's something out of cartoons that's something out of uh you know computer artificial intelligence where uh things that you're watching on video that become so very real leave you with a film on you that you can't quite get off of you. I mean, the dialogue around this, it's going political. I mean, cable news is a wasteland right now. I think everybody had the same pit in their stomach. And some progressives had a pin in their stomach for different reasons, conservatives. This guy represented a movement for some people.

This one's connecting more with people, I guess, because of the video that is inescapable. I know people. I'm very close to people. I know I'm very close to people that have tried to avoid this video and they open up IG and it's the first video that they see. It's so, I didn't think it was real at first. I thought, okay, I saw the one video where it's from far away. Okay, now I'm seeing this one that's close. I thought maybe it was doctored for just sensationalist purpose. It's inescapable. And the pit in my stomach isn't just for the person, his family, but also knowing what was going to follow, knowing the toxicity around it, knowing that it's only going to further division, knowing that it's going to be used because he is going to be made into a martyr already is for a

movie. There already are T-shirts and he already has been martyred and it needs to be pointed out and it doesn't have to be a trulogy because this is horrifying and you don't want to go too soon with some of this stuff. But he has also said an enormous number of heinous things or did say an enormous number of heinous things, and was a divider who was in support of white men and very little else. And that's, you know, whether you want to believe funded by billionaires, whether you want to believe that this was somebody who actually believed what he said or didn't believe what he said, it is so that he was basically espousing viewpoints the entirety of his famed life that were anti-everything except white men. That is context here without making it any worse than it

already is. It's still tragic. Yeah. And still. and still a human being, just like the healthcare CEO was a human being, and the delight and the celebration of seeing that video is something that I cannot get behind. And Mike mentioned, too, like, his family had two young kids, and the fact that you grow up with a very, a very quick look at the way your father was murdered online when you get to a certain age or when you go to school and you're like, oh, you're Charlie Kirk's kids. Like, did you see the way he got killed? Yeah, that's their life now.

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protein without all the work, at participating restaurants in Canada. We are going to talk to Senator Mark Kelly about this later, and I don't know how to exactly segue out of that into the nonsense that we do every day. So I will do so clumsily, and I will tell you again before we get to Darren Waller and how soon people are going to be booing on Sunday if the dolphins go three and out on the first drive. I do want to get back to Pablo's story today because once again, with his parasol and his rhythmic gymnastics ribbon, he dances around for 25 minutes at the top of an episode before telling you what the news is that he's got. He put all of the news of his latest information. He put it toward the back end of the episode.

David Sampson will be here. He was with Amin. It's a great combination of people that he has because there's some real expertise there on basketball and business that helps walk Pablo through some stuff that makes what could be difficult subject matter entertaining. But Zaz, what were your takeaways today with the 5 a.m. Pablo drop of Pablo Tori finds out. Oh, I mean, my biggest takeaway was I can't believe that we actually found, like, there was pretty good what I would. would say evidence in the first episode. And we maybe have even better evidence in this one. So I didn't expect that. And that being that there's only one minority owner with the Clippers and he owns 1%. That's it. But this is very rare in sports. You usually have a lot of minority

owners. All right. Steve Bomber owns 99%. What do you mean by minority? You know what I mean. And this guy Wong, he's a close friend, the closest friend of Steve Bomber apparently from back in school. College roommate. And he owns the only other 1%. Those two details there. Those two particular details. I don't know which one's more damning.

I think it's 1975. College roommate is more damning than, and he owns only 1% of the clippers, but is the only one who owns another percentage. And Wong claimed to know nothing about aspiration, while his daughter, who works very hard, works at aspiration. Right. Well, there you go.

He was supporting his daughter's company. Yeah. the counter, which makes sense coming from you. You're team bomber. Just say your team bomber. What do you mean? You're team ball. You know what I mean. Listen, all I know is this, you guys have relationships with Ramona. You could very easily text her and say, hey, where did you conduct that interview?

And for some reason, you guys are not doing that. Okay, but it's six o'clock in the morning. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do it right now. I thought she's in Bristol. Okay, I'm going to do it right now. And I'm going to get you an answer. And let's see, that's a good before the end of the show, let's get it. Dan Levitard finds out. No, Billy Gill finds out that

Pablo Tori found out wrong. we can have another podcast. I'm not here to discredit people. I'm here for the truth. That would undercut the whole story. I mean, for some, yes. Because if that's untrue. It would undercut his credibility.

I hope Adam Silver's not listening because this whole thing may fall apart. Adam Silver, you want to talk about head in the sand. This is definitely a test for Adam Silver. In this episode, we learned that at the Board of Governors meeting that they have. What's the test? Are you the softest commissioner or are you definitely the saltest commissioner? He didn't mention this in front of the board of governors, and it led to side conversations. Here's an interesting bit of circumstantial evidence.

We all know this is hard to parse because Kauai Leonard is so often injured. But the game logs from that season are pretty damning because before he received the alleged payment, he only played in seven of 27 games, and then December 10th rolls around. And then he's good for 45 of the 55 games. He goes from 26% of the games played that season to 82%. Come on. But the thing about that is like, he got healthy. He's getting paid like $40 million.

So you're telling me his paycheck's not enough, but that $1.2 million from the tree company is like, well, now I'm going to play and earn the rest of my $40 million. Here's where I'll buck up against it because it's not about the $1.7 million. It's about the totality of the deal and the integrity of that. We had this side deal and you guys aren't coming through on that. So while, yeah, in a vacuum, 40 is so much more than $1.7. No, no, no. we had a deal. You're supposed to give me payments. It's booky logic here. Let me backtrack for a second because what is now happening as reporters chase this story is Bruce Arthur and Toronto.

I can't wait until they get to the San Antonio reporters because we still don't know the details on why he left San Antonio or how because he speaks so little. This is a perfect mystery on guy who's straight commerce and has a representative who does not care about what you're structure is because Toronto is saying that they were asking for all sorts of things. Ownerships of Maple Leaf. They wanted to own the Maple Leafs. They were just, they were just kept asking for stuff. And it's really comically amusing when you think of it this way.

The thought of Kauai Lennar being brought in on whether or not they should re-sign Mitch Marner. When you think of a guy from the inner city with giant hands and an uncle as a representative walking through these rich rooms silently because he doesn't speak and is a mystery and says and he's he's doing like did you guys ever see when michael jackson went to los Vegas and just started buying everything in one of the gift shops for a million everything cost a million dollars and he just went around pointing at everything that gift shop's still there and they have the video of him doing the thing kawai leonard is walking into the structure

of rich people want me i'm a champion i'm lebron but i'm not going to play it like lebron uncle dennis get in there. Ask for what? Everything. Everything. I want Canada. I want to own a portion of Canada. Just keep asking rich people for something and look at what Balmer would do because

he wants to be relevant in sports with his plaything. So we have a player who, like it was well documented as it was happening by the way that he was asking for things that circumvented the salary cap and I guess we were all okay with that because surely when he finally signs a contract, they'll abide by the rules. So now you have all this reporting from Toronto. We recall what he was asking

for from the Lakers. And now you have this story. So he signed with a team. While he was asking for all of that other stuff, while they were pursuing him, he landed on a team. And you have pretty strong evidence to suggest he had a side deal and there was circumvention. And now, furthermore, I think this episode is even more damning than the initial report because of the paper trail that you alluded to. I agree. The very tight circle that Steve Balmer has. Like you never had an actual bank statement from Steve Bomber. You now have a bank statement, okay, which is registered to this Dennis J. Wong's LLP, like literally him. It's a bank statement from his company. I get that this is like juicy and there's all of this information and evidence, but what's the ultimate

punishment? Do you think they're going to take the clippers from Steve Balmer? Is this just going to be like a hefty fine because if it's a hefty fine then like no no no it won't be just a fine this is this this kind of proof but it's not a crime that's been committed if taxes were paid on this and all of that then this wasn't like they were evading anything well just NBA rules who cares but but the NBA is going to come down hard on him you mentioned the board of governors meeting and again if you're just joining us Pablo Tori finds out has unleashed another Pablo this morning And I don't think it's as damning as the original episode and the original news. But I do think it feels, now that we have all of the context and information,

it does feel like this is closer to being the truth than whatever felt like the bullshit of spin that Balmer was trying to do with Ramona Shelburne in either Los Angeles or Bristol. We have not confirmed that yet. It's Bristol. Dan, I wanted to make something apparently clear. Um, apparently, abundantly clear, my better. I'm doing a Tony finds out about Pablo's finds out. Is that so?

I'm working on a little bit of a theory here. And I think what this is, is Pablo's hate for a specific person. Well, no, because I wrote it upside down. So, Dan, let go with me here for a second. What does Pablo like more than anything? Attention. Being right about something. Well, that's close, but attention is what.

That's telling people he went to Harvard. Now, hold on. Now you're close. You're getting closer, Billy. All right. So Pablo's one true love, himself being right, in 15,000 words or more, right? What does that make you think of? Oh, the one time that he wrote that 20,000 word piece about the process. Okay, so Pablo loves the process, right?

Kid born in New York City all of a sudden becomes a Philly fan? What's that about? All right. Now we go a little bit further up. Who killed the process? Joel in Bede.'s knees? Ben Simmons. Close, close.

The shot that Kauai Leonard hit. And all the sudden, All the sudden, wait a second, Pablo's like, I hate him. Yeah. Why? Not because of the Sixers. Because I'm wrong about the Sixers. The process is dead now. Who killed him, Coi Leonard?

But here's the issue. What? And this is why he had to go after somebody he likes. Balmer. Where'd Balmer go to school? Uh-oh. Harvard. Okay. Oh, M.G. They stick together, right?

Their Harvard guys stick together. but Pablo's hatred for Kawhi Leonard turned Steve Balmer into collateral damage at the Harvard Club that now he cannot join together with Pablo, right? Like, they can't be in the Harvard Club at the same time. So he was collateral damage.

The conspiracy falls apart a little bit after the Kauai shot. Kauai shot that was great. He's still finding out. He hasn't said that he found out yet. It's collateral damage. He's still following it out. Thank you. Admittedly, you shouldn't have added the last part. Yes, that's the...

About the Harvard? You did have us and then... You were on your way to becoming Alex Honest and then your conspiracy theory all fell apart. I want to get... He used the voice modulator again. He's got good sources inside of aspiration Pablo does. And I... Forgive me, perhaps rising corporate giant Zazlo has more familiarity with business than I do.

I don't know what an LLP is. What is an LLP? Well, there's an LLC, which obviously... I have a businessman. And then there's also an LLP. So wait, you're a journalist, you're a lawyer, you're a judge. You're a race war expert. Race war expert and your businessman?

Yeah, I have an LLC. He's a business man. A businessman? So LLP, I don't know what that is. There's LLC and there's LLP. What is LLC, Dan? Limited Liability Corporation. What's LLP now?

A longer album. Limited liability partnership. Oh, okay. Thank you. Zaslo, I appreciate your expertise in this matter. Tony did find out. The Harvard Club thing, there's something there, Dan. I'm going to keep working.

You guys will be surprised to know that even though Zaslo has been someone, everyone's noticed around here and elsewhere. Everyone in the media, everyone's noticing that Zazlo is making a mark, and they're noticing Zaslo. And Zaslo's rising up in the media and at her company. And the other day, for the first time, he was interacting with our C-O-O via email. I introduced them. And so our C-O-O-O's name is Bimel. Hey, nice guy. And B-M-L-E-L is spelled simply B-I-M-A-L.

I don't know what's going on with Zaslo's spell check. I don't know what's going on with his eyes and his reading. He only wrote a sentence by way of introduction to meeting Bimel. And the way that it begins is, instead of hi Bimel, Hi, Himalayan Unfortunate autocrat. Didn't even notice it. Zaslo sent it without even noticing.

I'm introducing the two of them to each other by email and Zazzo starts the introduction. Second word in, it took him two syllables to screw it up. Hi, Himalayan, which would be a better name. And I sent it. I don't think so. I don't think it's a better name. It's a better name for like a carnival ride.

Yeah. It's so embarrassing. If I told you right now, if I told you right now, there's a new star quarterback and his name is Himalayan Dart. Well, that's the Dart thing. I mean, Dart is sick. Bimmel Dart works. And I got an email back, like later in the day or the next day.

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Don Lebatard. I think I would have been on his side. I would have looked at you like, what did you say? I'm telling you, me and my friend, the rest of the way home, all we kept saying was, I ain't cheating. Stugats. I think he got your ass. I think he got your ass. I got his ass. Chris won this one for sure.

Not pathetic. It was great. This is the Dan Lebatar show. with his two gods. Speaking of mistakes, I may be wrong about Darren Wall. You won't know until he plays, so you have that going for you. So he'll never know.

Yeah, you may never know. He will never know. Didn't Will Fuller famously get a deal here where you just signed a deal and then just never played and collected the check? 10 million? A bunch of Byron Jones did it.

Odell? Yeah, Odell is pretty much that category. I got to tell you, this is a better way to do it than Kauai Leonard. It's a better way to do the no-show job. Kauai's looking at it. That dude, he's got this down. Kauai knows nothing about being paid by a team and not showing up. How does this go for Darren Waller where a week ago they told us he might be ready for next week and now it's like he might be out all year?

Well, it's not even that a week ago yesterday, McDaniel said that he's on track to play week one. But it was we held him out strategically from practicing Wednesday because we hit this, that's part of our plan. And then when the injury report comes out the next day, he's out, hip injury. Like McDaniel's just straight up lying. His hips do lie. Do you guys believe that the booing is possible in the first series of game two? Do you believe that we will, what is the earliest we will hear? Coin toss. They lose the coin toss, and they're going to hear it, I think. There's carryover.

They haven't seen this team yet at home, so there's going to be carryover. Those fans are waiting to boo. They will take any opportunity they can to boo. When they take the field, they won't, though. They might. They might. If Chris Greer's on the field doing a presentation to someone, it better be an Army vet because if not, he is getting booed.

Billy, you've been around this team long enough now. When I'm trying to provide the context yesterday of never remembering outside of Fiedler and Feeley first half of first game of Wonstadt. This is clearly the end. Everyone knows it's the end. They've been howling all season and the coach panics and makes a quarterback change at half time

of the first game because they don't have a quarterback. Do you think I have the proper context when I say that it's never been this around the dolphins? That in your lifetime, this early, it's never been what we're headed to in game two where you're going to see the planes

and the frustration bubbled over with the worst week one performance that any team in the sport had. I'm trying to remember the exact circumstances, but don't forget there was the time that in the pre-season practice game that was just for season ticket holders, they were chanting for Kyle Orden

while the quarterback was on the field. The whole camp Cameron years was something that, I mean, 1 in 15 was horrible. I just don't remember it being horrible. Where I'm wondering, are they going to boo the first drive of the season at home? That's where you're nailing it. This early in the season,

I don't think there's a comp, because don't doubt how sad and beaten down we've been over time. Like, we've been this sad many a time, but it's usually later in the season. It's touched on her bus, by the way, on that first drive, too, because, like, even if they settle for a field goal on, like, fourth and two, the boobards will come out on a field goal. It's got a missed field goal written all over at that first drive, a missed field goal. A good drive down the field. And it's fourth. And end up at the 10-yard line, it's a fourth and short. He goes for it.

Doesn't get it. There's no booze there. if you go for it no booze a good drive down the field fourth and two we're not kicking a field goal we're going for it okay so so what's and they fail no then they're getting booed if they fail good drive down the field the booze will come the second drive if that happens put it on the poll juju at lebitard show over under on when dolphin fans begin booing one and a half drives one and a half drives It may happen before they even get the ball. If they are defending first and they give up a touchdown, it'll start there.

No, no, booze have to be with the offense on the field. No, that'll be an under, though, Billy. If it starts before they get the ball, then... It's under, but I'm saying it, we're saying it'll be, you know, their first drive. It may be less than that. I'm saying I don't believe that anyone booze unless it's something to do with the offense. I want to go... Booze are coming in the intros, probably.

I like Mike McDaniel. We've interviewed him. Seems like a nice guy. I don't root for his demise at all. I want it to work out for him. I really do. But my mind... Are there people?

You root for their demise? Yes, plenty. I got a list. You want me to whisper some podcasts? Are you kidding me? I got a list. Anyways. I like Mike McDaniel.

Want him to keep his job. But I am also really interested on what happens if they lose this game. To Mike Rable in his first year and Drake May in his second year. Because I just don't see a scenario in which they're Owen, too, with a loss at home to the New England Patriots a team that every Dolphin fan assumed they'd be better than.

Someone has to go. Can I make the argument, though? If we lose this game to the Patriots, that's it on the season. We want the first overall pick. You almost want to be bad. You keep McDaniel and just like, yes, this is bad. This is why I think the move is

you get rid of Tyreekill. Because out of, I mean, maybe you could argue get rid of Greer because we can keep things moving. We don't need a GM all that much. There's no way Ross does that. Let me just, I do want to say to you guys, like I understand that when something looks like this and feels like this, you're going to go straight to the top of the food chain and blame. I've seen that guy do what he did when he had the pieces healthy and turned Rahim Mostered into someone who had 18 touchdowns. You can sit here and lament how bad a coach you think he is.

He's getting collateral damage on architecture here that is an owner and a GM. who have been failing for a long time and maybe a different coach would make it look different. Brian Flores made it look a little more competent, but what I saw Sunday in terms of offensive line and defensive line play, there wasn't a coach who was going to fix what was happening there. That was not a matter of scheme. That was a matter of a defense that doesn't have enough pressure up front, can't guard anybody in the back playing against a team that was well coach.

but I don't think that that is coaching. I don't. Wait, Dan, are the pieces that much worse this year than they were the year previous and the year previous to that because the team is getting worse? Offensively, they're definitely not different, but the quarterback is different. Mike, I have seen this coach put together a scheme of bandages when some of the pieces are healthy to when he'll chief among them. And you see that the offense does things.

And again, Mostert scores 18 touchdowns. Dan Labatard. no one on this show was more on the record about liking Mike McDaniel. He is not without blame. The things that you're mentioning I'm not saying he's without blame. I'm just saying that he's not the top of the list. He's just the top of the organization. So that's

where the blame will go. I think the obvious one here is Tyreek Hill. Vives are toxic around him. You could say like, look, we tried to change the culture with Tyreek, but he's the culture issue. And it's the one guy. Even like, well, Greer, maybe. But if you get rid of Tyreek Hill, the fan

base might be like, okay, we can still be good now that we got this out of our huddle. I hear what you're saying. It's an easy way, especially if KC also, oh and two after this week. It's not that easy, though, because you have to take the money into it and how much he's making and how much cap room your team has, what the dead cap hit would be for the dolphins. No, you're right about that. It's not just like, you want him for number three. Here you go. Like, it doesn't work that way. No, you're right. But the easy part, which I think is what Mike is getting at is it's like a stay of execution, where it's, hey, give us a little time. We just got rid of another toxic element and it buys you another couple weeks to maybe look better on the field.

The thing, though, that we're doing to McDaniel, and again, please do not take this as a defense of McDaniel, but one of the reasons that that job can be unpleasant as head coach is when you are the face and the voice of a team every day, people notice the general manager you're less and less. And so Chris Greer cannot get what it is that McDaniel gets because he's not a face and a voice that you're looking at all the time, but he's more responsible for what we're presently witnessing than the coach. I've seen this coach be good. And you can say that he's since been addressed or undressed or that he can't make adjustments to the adjustments the moment that his quarterback's head scrambled or his receivers a little bit slower. But I've

seen him score 70. I've seen the offense look like it's never looked. I've seen Moster put up 18 touchdowns as a pretty disposable running back. And so I'm not going to say that he's the top of the blame here. I mean, Chris Greer can take credit for that. Tyreek Hill can take credit for scoring 70 points. I've seen them all individually and collectively be good at the exact same time. But if they fall to 0.1, 2, someone must pay. I can't dispute that. And I want to, before we get out of the local hour, celebrate that Billy Gill and Shula Bowl Week is here. Billy Gill is a broadcaster for FIU. He is a...

Pause up. He is somebody whose voice is different than I would say just about anybody in sports broadcasting. Like sound of my voice? Definitely. I got a normal voice, I think. I got a normal. I meant in content, but also in voice. Here's some Billy Gill, FIU.

It's a big one this week, Dan. You're going to come? Pippold is tweeting about it. I want to hear more about it after we play a little assortment. of you on the first game broadcast. I believe that Central Michigan game last year, Corey, you described as one of the biggest games in program history. And I'll stand by that.

I, okay. Fair catch by John Pierre. He's contacted and goes down a youthful mistake for the Wildcats. Yep, and a fan in the stands has a whistle. They sure do, and they are right in front of us. So you will be hearing that today. Please note all whistles heard on FIUSP.U.S.com are not official. We will let you know when one is.

Joke about time zones, but ultimately, you're closer to Japan than you are to Fort Lauderdale when you're in Hawaii. I was hearing that. I never had considered it, right? You see it on a map and you're like, ah, it's far, but I didn't, you know, I've never drawn a line to see what it's closer to. And really, I mean, how much different could Hawaii possibly be from, you know, Key Biscayne? Hawaii in Biscayne.

Many have said basically the exact same thing. People call Key Biscayne the Maui of Florida. A familiar name. The McLean game sees him, then transfer to UCF, and now here with Bethune Cookman, his first drive. McLean. I have to rip up all my notes I wasn't prepared for this, Corey. Be along here on ESP.

There it is. That's the first time that's happened. I think ever. Happy to have you here on FIU Sports.com. Cawry Brooks, Billy Gill with you. Hey, when are we doing our volleyball game? Home opener is next weekend. Yeah.

Goldie and I will be in. Penn State. Goldie and I. Wait, are you cheating on me? Goldie and I. I thought we had an open relationship. Wait a minute. Oh, no.

You know what? I'm going to call Kim Boat-Gamper. We're going to do something together next weekend. The opposing broadcast is saying that ball was too far ahead and they didn't have a chance at that play. Got to tell you. Let you know if I hear anything else with that. It's going to be biased both ways here in the radio booth. Hey.

I think that's what I said. He said immaculate. Okay. I was just kind of agreeing with it's co-signing. It feels like good is a downgrade. Okay, fine. Sorry. Great vibes.

The best thought. I've ever had a high. Belial bullying the FIU fans. Vives not high. F. Rant-Tow. Chainsaw Cheney and other tackle for the Panthers. Love that nickname.

I got to tell you, if you have 6-7-320 coming at you on a Blitz, I don't blame you for throwing it away. That's the stuff of nightmares. I'd be throwing that all the way to West Palm Beach, given the circumstance. I don't think you could throw it that far, but I got your point. That Willie Simmons story you told from Deuce that you kept calling Media Day is actually from content. actually from Content Day interviews that have not aired yet and are only accessible to you. Okay. Well, you know, you're trying to make me feel bad, but I finally feel like I'm an important person around these parts.

You've always been a important person. I have exclusive content. No one else can get their hands on. Internal content until it airs on ESPN Plus. Oh, when's it airing? Leak from Billy Gill. Depends. Well, how'd I know what I'm not supposed to talk about it? It's not necessarily that you. I would have watched it. They were so long.

It's not that you're not supposed to. It's just that it hasn't aired yet. Gotcha. So you're just kind of, you know, providing spoilers. Well, I didn't know that. It's like saying Dumbledore dies at the end. That's all. That's all you've done.

Okay, I haven't seen that, but now you've told me. And if I remember, I'm going to be very upset when I watch that. So there's a barber on the team. Think about getting a haircut? I just got one today. Did you? I've never availed myself of the team barber. Thank you.

Probably not great you didn't notice until I said I got it, but that's okay. Well, I mean, I didn't see your hair yesterday, so I don't know. I'm going to get my player of the game to Chainsaw. I thought you might. Roy, what did you just say in my ear with a big smile on your face? This play-by-play guy, AJ, he sounds so happy. Well, he loves Billy. He sounds like he loves Billy.

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