The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Pat Riley Needs to Kill Someone

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

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Interesting. What kind of cigarettes do you smell like right now? Marlboro Silver's shorts. I like the Shorties, you know The 120s it's like, you know, you're smoking too in in one sitting and so healthier option No, so I go with the shorties which which are the healthiest of the options Yes of the of the bad options have cigarettes come out with like a light like a you know, yeah Oh, yeah

All the lights I don't do cigarettes. They all kill you. Just, yeah, one does it lighter than the others. Marlboro lights. Slower maybe, I don't know. But you have had an evolution here over the years or has it always been, have you always smelled like that brand of cigarette?

That's the only brand, yeah, that's the only brand I've ever smoked. Not too harsh, you know? Nice and smooth. Loyal, brand loyal. Yep. I like it. I want to make a comment now while we're on audio only because I will not be under promising

or over promising, I should say, when I tell the television audience that they're in for a delightful visual surprise because once again, as is the case always with Stu Gotz and Greg Cody, Greg Cody and Stu Gotz always win. So a punishment that was supposed to be a costume that made him look bad, instead he looks like today,

more than ever, he's straight out of the 1919s. He could not, that costume looks great on him. I would want to be led somewhere by him. He looks like one of the ghosts coming out of the cornfield in Field of Dreams. What costume? This is my uniform. I'm the manager of the Boston Americans.

It's 1901, I'm trying to get the new century started off right. We have a big game against Cleveland later today. We got McGillicuddy on the hill. It's baseball time. What's it, somebody just told me that the hockey season just ended, what is hockey? Who's playing sports on ice?

I've never heard of such a thing. It's baseball time, America's past time. Oh, he's got material from the,s. He's here from the past. He's here from the 1990s. Hopefully that's the end of it. No, it's not quite the end. I've got a guy. Hey, don't get me started. I've got a young kid on my team,

Ebenezer McDavid. He's supposed to be the next coming. He's supposed to be all this, the next honest wagger. He's got material. He's overrated at this point. How method is this? Because I don't want to talk about integration with this guy. 1901, baby. So guys, I have an important question for you.

OK. We went around the horn yesterday. Do you remember where you were when Paul George got traded to the Clippers? Where was it? Dane was at the Clevelander. Who? It was at Los Rosas.

I don't remember. Most people lay in there. Why would you? Is that true? I have a very vivid like, oh my god! Because remember, Kawhi was leveraging the Lakers, so it was a shocking thing. No, but it wasn't just that. It was that Kawhi, and Kawhi was super quiet, mysterious, and Uncle Dennis is involved, and all of a sudden Balmer is negotiating with Uncle Dennis, and next thing you know, Paul George is here with the Clippers.

The notion that Kawhi was going to the Lakers was going to break the sport, because this was Kawhi at the peak of his powers, and we all thought the NBA was gonna be ruined, and then Kawhi saved everything by, in the shadows, negotiating Paul George to be his running mate in LA thus making the NBA wide open it really was a where were you type of moment. Do you believe based on the way Greg Cody looks that we could simply say of him racial profiling this person was a

racist? Yes. Back in 1901. Yeah everybody was. Put her on the pole. Back in 1901. Yeah, everybody was. Put her on the pole. Back in 1901, was everybody a little racist. This is the Don LeVittor Show with the Stugats Podcast. He looks great. He really does. He looks like somebody who was throwing a knuckleball in 1924 as the Great Depression approached. He looks the part. What was that? What pitch was that? That was your knuckleball? The knuckler. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, a 50-year chronicler of athletes thinks the knuckleball after 50 years of covering baseball is thrown with Two fingers the hook em horn sign is how you throw the knuckleball Charlie Huff taught it to me. It can be thrown with two fingers just not your middle and ring finger

Yeah, technicality. That's how you used to be thrown hook em. Thank you Billy. It's his knuckleball. Thank you Yeah, I invented the knuckleball Yeah, sure did. Yeah, I'm right So Greg Cody's in character today He's pretending like he's from 1919 because he's ushering in baseball season. Why are you making faces Billy? He's pretending like he's from I mean, I feel like Greg has just come into the room from the past I don't understand. This isn't a costume. This is Greg. Yeah, why are you calling it a costume? Yeah, my uniform it is a Greg Cody Tuesday. Do you have a back in my day? I don't

Right. It's typically the first appearance of the week if it's on a Tuesday Yeah, exactly right. So you're wearing a costume today. So you are selling You are selling a recycled book of back in my days, but you haven't had a fresh one in years right you're just selling months old stuff months I'd say months the the book is flying off the the shelves and and the pride of a lion we're still really proud of somebody for the only the second time ever somebody at the Panthers Beach Celebration Sunday came up to me and said how much they enjoyed reading the Pride of Alliance so I really appreciated that. That's your parade correspondence? Because you didn't give us any of this yesterday

you just gave a sunburn yesterday and said you were out there for hours and now you're reporting is that someone complimented your book. Right I had a video that I did but it was not played by your show so I can't I'm not responsible for that I availed it to the show by your show. So I can't I'm not responsible for that I availed it to the show they didn't play it. Was it not good enough? Did it not meet our standards? Was it not funny enough? What I am told that you talk took very poor selfies all weekend that you don't know how to take selfie Well, the problem was I I should have gone like this, right and gotten a panorama in the background and instead

I just went like this. So my infamous Cody knows is front and center on the Video which I'm not real proud of all right Let's see that video that Greg Cody thought we should have played yesterday of his parade correspondence by the way He looks in this photo. I'm just gonna say like Fort Lauderdale the elbow room has looked something like that 50 years and many many things have been snorted up nostril tunnels like these. I'm Greg Cody from the Greg Cody Show Podcast reporting live from Fort Lauderdale Beach where the Pampers champion gym has been celebrated.

It's a party to the, and some to the stage. Somebody say, now, somebody. Somebody say, somebody. Trying to get the commercial music out of here. People in some of the stage, thousands more. The props are estimating like quarter of a million people here. Oh my god, the schnoz.

Everybody who's anybody is here, except you know who's not here? I'm not doing that. Adam and David. Hey, let's celebrate the Phantoms even further Everybody who's anybody is here except you know who's not here doing that on a mcgay-gap Hey, let's celebrate the fantasy even further on the great Tony show podcast the drop Monday morning Yeah, that's too bad. It's too bad. We didn't get to that yesterday talking out the side of your mouth You have a stroke nailed it. This is the inception of his narcissism He leans back in costume and just enjoys uniform not costum of his narcissism, he leans back in costume and just enjoys his. Uniform, not costume.

He leans back in uniform and just enjoys something from yesterday that is self-involved, not interesting, and just his nostrils. Right, yeah, we didn't, back in my day, we didn't have any of those newfangled phones that served as cameras. What's going on there? All right, there are sports things I want to get to,

including Inter Miami having the most amazing and wonderful weird ending that didn't feel like a victory even though it's the most historic moment in the history of South Florida soccer. I think that's what we witnessed last night. And I think- It's a low bar. Wow.

A tie is the most famous one. Yes, well, they gave up the two goal lead late. They scared everybody, but all they needed was a draw and they advanced. So it was a good tie, huh? A tie is the most famous thing. Yes, well they gave up the two goal lead late, they scared everybody, but all they needed was a draw and they advanced. So it was a good tie, huh? Yeah, it was. You wanna poo poo a tie.

But finally, Stugats has been waving around that Bengals tie from seven years ago, it's important. It hasn't been since 2005 that was the last time an MLS team didn't lose to a team from South America in a competitive match. Inter Miami also was the first team from the Americas to beat a European team in a competitive match. They went undefeated in a very difficult group.

I do think it's the greatest achievement in club history getting to the knockout stage of this tournament. That being said, it should feel a lot better. It didn't feel good after they blew a 2-0 lead to Palmetto's and the end of the game kind of felt like you were on a razor's edge because you weren't really aware of what was going on in the other match. It left a lot to be desired in terms of feeling fulfilled, but for a club that is only five years old to make it to the knockout stage of this tournament is incredible.

Can you explain though, Cody, as someone who's covered soccer in this market since the Fort Lauderdale Strikers of 1978, can you give me a feeling comparable to that mess from last night where you get a wildly unfulfilling fulfillment? Well, if I'm going way back, the Fort Lauderdale strikers went to the soccer bowl the the Super Bowl equivalent Wow ASL son in Sunday in 1979 and and Bulletin Lino Messi wasn't the first big superstar to play down hold on a second Greg hold on a second soccer soccer ball Saturday I mean it should be on a Saturday. We'll get back to that later, but it should be on a set

Let your son get situated here so we could talk nineteen seventy eight strikers please in the soccer ball thank you okay it's not that far back i i i i i i lived it uh... may as you can tell by the way we got it we got a little bit mom no that nineteen seventy nine soccer ball team of the fort lauderdale strikers they had girdle or from germany one of the all-time great players. They had Nene Cobias from Peru, one of the all-time great players. One of the first Hispanic words you ever learned, correct?

Nene Cobias? It could be, I don't know, I don't chronicle it. Cobias. I don't catalog that, but Cabillas. Cabillas. Cabillas. Who's that to you, fellow Cabillas? Your glasses are fog I know they are because I'm not used to being in a heavy wool uniform and now you look like Joe's a gaki with sunglasses Keep your glasses off give me the glasses just keep doing back in my day as a gaki and

Please video find the Zagaki sunglasses and put it in picture in picture please. Okay, I just don't like to act like this is the first time that we've ever had anything special happen in soccer in South Florida because it isn't. But to Mike's point, this is the biggest accomplishment for Inter Miami by far. I mean, winning the Leagues Cup, it's an oversized trophy for a new tournament.

It means very little winning the supporters shield you may disagree with this Mike but it's a consolation prize that's only bittersweet if you follow it up with a first-round playoff exit so this accomplishment is by far the biggest and I also love the fact that by far the biggest what finish the thought historian please by far the biggest what by far the biggest accomplishment for inner Miami thus far in the messy And what does it mean within the context of 50 years of covering soccer in this market when I'm calling it a wildly Unfulfilling fulfillment. Oh, you're totally wrong. You're totally wrong. And now what's ahead is also fascinating

Yeah, because messy goes up against his former team played there a couple of years coming out of the pandemic He played for Paris Saint-Germain and it could have been the Brazilian team. Um, yeah. And everybody would make fun of that if only for the name, but they won the Brazilian championship in 2024. And they also just beat PSG, which is the reigning champions. Right. Winner. So it would, it would not have been an easier match, but I think it's a sexier match for messy faces former team's great for story lines but look at it no matter over the course of 50 years you had an MLS side beat a two-time Champions League champion and Porto would won most

recently in 2003 a Champions League so they're they're a club of prestige it's a difficult group you have European blue bloods in Porto. You have a club that's 125 years old from Sao Paulo that's decorated. You have the most decorated club in the history of the world in Al Ali from Egypt. Not a lot of people had them coming out of this group. And for a moment there,

they looked like the class of the group. They looked like they were winning this thing easily. To go through it undefeated and get to the knockout stages and set up this incredible matchup, which will be undoubtedly very difficult for them against PSG, for the storylines alone, it's incredible. It's a dream matchup that you only see in FIFA. Why are you saying Blue Bloods so much?

Why are you? I said it once, I mean to try to explain it in American terms, do you know about Porto's early 2000's Champions League victory with Jose Mourinho at the helm? I'm, yes, thank you for the reminder. Well they're always in European competition. I know they're from Portugal,

which may not be perceived as like the Bundesliga here. I'm just, the only reason I'm stopping you is slowing you down, okay, because you have been talking blue blood since you bought your way into the University of Miami program. You have been just, you've been using the phrase a lot

and it's usually something you were doing only with college basketball. I'm trying to explain it to the Americans in the room. Okay. Because you're- And I appreciate it, yes. Because you're poo-pooing the accomplishment and I would say, like, I reached out to people at the club,

and they're like, yeah, this is the biggest thing that we've ever done. I think they've made $20 million to this point through this competition in advancing to this point. From a business standpoint, it's a huge success. From an achievement on the football pitch, it's an incredible achievement that many people doubted. For Messi to be doing this, he just

turned 38 years old, to be carrying this team of a couple of old, you saw that Suarez goal. I mean, form is temporary, but class is permanent. He has his old running mates from Barcelona and a bunch of like journeymen and young guys from MLS to do that, to go toe to toe and beat the likes of Porto and come back.

If I can correct what it is when you're saying that I'm poo pooing this by calling it a wildly unfulfilling fulfillment, ultimately it is a fulfillment, but try to explain to people that a tie where you cough up two goals late and you end in a tie, try to explain to them how it is that qualifying that it means something historic because of the difficulty in the class of people when you're trying to sell this over a paywall to tomorrow's fans for the World Cup because you've already got soccer fans it's not like soccer fans the reason Messi is here is because everyone understands in soccer around

the world where genius is appreciated that there are some things only he can do and my god what an honor to be able to get him to do them in Miami for a team that we can care about here So I I don't mean to put what the accomplishment is I just mean when you're holding on for your life at the end as a viewing experience You don't feel great about the game No No

and it should feel better if Inter Miami had either come back from 2-0 down or Right. They exchanged goals who would feel a little bit different leaving that stadium you would have thought Palmeiras won a world title of some sort. Right. But I would say and I've talked to people that cover MLS you can make a solid argument that this is the most impressive achievement that a professional soccer team from America

has ever accomplished in getting to this stage. Look at what MLS has done in this tournament. They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory. Inter Miami is standing toe to toe with Titans from Brazil, Titans from Portugal, the most decorated club in the history of world football, and now they get to the knockout stage against the reigning European champion in PSG. It's, like I said, a dream match,

and they should be very proud of that despite how last night felt. What do we think, five nil PSG? P.S.G. has been difficult to read. I do think that they'll clobber Inter Miami. Inter Miami defensively just, and we saw it late in that game, they don't have the defensive personnel

to really, I think, say organize, not make a mistake, and hold off, and keep PSG at bay. PSG kinda struggled a little bit with Seattle Sounders yesterday, and they lost to Botafogo, so it's not like they're riding high on great form either. Noon start, but it's in a dome in Atlanta. Inter Miami did win their lone match of the group in Atlanta.

So we'll see. You'll have incredible theater. You'll have Messi rising to the occasion, because he's shown in big time matches he will turn on an effort that you're not used to seeing. So we'll see this. A lot is on the line in terms of optics and there's this whole narrative that PSG got better once they got rid of Messi and Messi isn't exactly beloved by PSG fans because of how he left. So it's a cool match out. It should be said that they knew going into last night's match that a tie would still advance them to the to the round of 16. So they knew immediately that they were

advancing which was the big prize even by losing that late lead. And to Mike's point even if they lose to PSG and I don't think it'll be 5-0 I think 3-1 or something like that but even if they lose that PSG, and I don't think it will be 5-0, I think 3-1 or something like that, but even if they lose that match, it's still a massive accomplishment for Inter Miami to get this far against this type of competition. Can the goal today be somehow to get Greg Cody into the world in this outfit with no commentary on his sunglass sunburn and his Joe Zygacki? Jeremy, you were trying to get in here as Billy zoned out on soccer.

We cannot get him into hockey and soccer now. I was locked in, in Miami PSG, Saturday, in Sao Paulo. I cannot get you, I can't get you interested. In doors. I was just looking at the table as we speak. Yeah, Jeremy, you were saying? The etymology of poo-pooing something

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making a lot of old jokes yeah not me well I've just I've just sort of seen this I saw it happen to Don Shula when there was a better replacement Jimmy Johnson was available Don Shula never forgave me for not respecting what he thought would have been, he thought he deserved more grace in this market. Do something after 1973, geez. It's fair. I think Pat's largely gotten a pass for his age.

Pass for I at least some call him. It was a pretty shocking stat that I said, he's presently the same age that Al Davis was when he said Mortenson. Yeah. He doesn't seem that way, he's a young soul and we don Al Davis was when he said Mortenson. Yeah. He doesn't seem that way. He's a young soul and we don't think of him as old. Well, he looks great.

You guys will concede that you were flagrantly agist yesterday, yes? No, I will not concede that. We were based on results, not on age. I don't think at any point we really brought his age into it. And I think, well, I'm pointing out that he's the same age as Mortenson when the optics of that Mortenson thing were, man, the game has passed this titan by. When you have a highly public incident the way that he had with Jimmy Butler in which his pride got in the way and he seemed out of touch with today's player, it's fair to

question we wouldn't be doing our jobs if we didn't at least mention that. Our show has been so pro-Pat Riley over the course of a full score, okay? The fact that we come out and just highlight the fact that maybe, just maybe this old guy is losing touch with the game. He even said it himself on South Beach Sessions, maybe I'm washed. We questioned Shom's credibility

just because he reported something that may look like Pat Riley might have dropped the ball on this one. I, well you say that I did that. I said we. You did say we, but you meant me. And because you were in the other camp yesterday

and what I was saying is when player names are involved, I just kept asking, I don't know what is true because I could not believe that it would be true that you would deny yourself Kevin Durant Because you needed to keep either Highsmith or Jovick It didn't seem like it could be true to me. And so I just wanted to verify it for myself I have not and do not question Shams is credibility Ultimately, it was clarified by Shams because what happened was in the article, the phrasing of the sentence that ultimately included

the names of Highsmith and Hakez, it made people interpret that as individual pieces that wouldn't be included in the trade. What ultimately he went on McAfee's show and said was that if the Heat were going to make the trade, it either needed to be Kalalware, and if it wasn't going to make the trade, it either needed to be Kalel Ware, and if it wasn't going to be Kalel Ware, attached to the Wiggins and Rozier,

part of that trade was going to be Jovic, Hakez, Highsmith, a first round pick, and multiple pick swaps. That was what the Suns were ultimately asking for. The Heat seemingly drew the line, not just at we won't give you all of those pick swaps, but also we don't wanna give up Jovic, and they had a hard line on what that deal was gonna be.

And I would just tell you guys, I know everybody wants the superstar, I know you wanna get the guy, but I will just say if you're objecting to the heat, not trading, where? A 20-year-old with a future and a fixed contract who plays like that might not be as valuable as one year of Kevin Durant, but

that's a bloated Durant contract and you're now no longer working with salary cap efficiencies even as you get rid of Rozier and Wiggins in order to onboard him. I understand the Heat not wanting to trade a Wear and I understand the Heat not wanting to trade Wear unless it's in a package for Giannis. But that works against what Riley has done his entire time down here. It's win now. Go get Duran. I'll sacrifice Ware. Go get Kevin Duran so I have a chance to win next year. And going off of what Jeremy said, it seems as though they did have an option to not include Ware and just simply include Jovich in that other package, and they drew the line of Jovich.

What I will say to that is no matter what, the Rockets were going to have more to offer. Now the Rockets would have had to probably step up their offer from where it ultimately ended up. Had the Heat included Jovich? Sure, make them do it, but if the Heat sort of viewed it as hey, you know what, this is the line that we want to draw, then it's where they drew it. Either way, they were ultimately going to be outbid

if the Rockets wanted to ramp out. A lot of DMPs for Jovich down the stretch. Pat Riley needs to kill someone, right? Like there's no fear of Pat Riley in being the godfather anymore. There used to be a thing where like, you would go in and you'd be like, ooh, you'd be like quivering, you're like,

I don't wanna cross this man. And now yesterday, people were making jokes that he was dropping pills on the floor and you had to pick them up cause dogs might get them. So like, I'm just saying, we need to, Pat Riley needs to put the fear of God in these people again. I don't know if he goes and he sits down in one of these negotiations and just slaps the person

across the table in the face or does something. He needs to do something to get them afraid of him again. You should start it off by saying he has to kill someone. Now he's slapping them in the face. Well I'm just saying if he doesn't have it in him anymore, then maybe just a quick, he should get an overhead projector and call out Shams. Imagine.

Put those rings to use, don't just drop them on the table, drop them in someone's skull, you know what I mean? So you want us to create the CGI that makes Pat Riley, Robert De Niro, and the Irishman, where we have him kicking someone's ass at 80 plus years old. Not CGI, I want him to do it, I want him to deck someone across the face with those rings. Imagine that Shams report. Lose a diamond in someone's forehead,

you know what I mean? Imagine the report, Riley slaps opposing GM. Then when you sign the guy that you punched in the face and the diamond is encrusted in his head, you take that diamond out of his head, you put him in his championship ring. You say, you know what, I promised you a ring, here you go, boom, with my diamond. Ace Vent Ventura did that happen in that my life I'm starting to

realize yeah the way that I see things should work ends up being a lot of movies hmm like yesterday I was saying how we should like inject a virus into AI to kill it yeah it was just a plot of the last two mission impossible movies I haven't seen the last one yet now you you don't have to. Is that what happens for you? You saved me by two hours and 50 minutes. Yeah, but it's the thrills along the way, man. This airplane stunt is crazy. It looks amazing.

I can't stop watching the trailers. I haven't even gotten to it yet because I didn't wanna have to go to wherever it was. I think it was Paramount Plus. I couldn't find my way through the thicket. I couldn't find my way. That oneet. I couldn't find my way. That one's a tough one. I got to a search.

I mean, okay. I wanted to get there, and so I just got stuck in trailers and making of the movie, and I feel like I've seen the movie. Trailers for sale or rent. He's right. Rooms to let everybody sense. No pool open.

What? None of you know the song. No cigarettes. No Let's do this better, please you're if you're gonna interrupt the show, yeah, when is that song? Why should we know that? Because he expected you guys, look. He sings it all the time. He expected. Welcome back, Chris. The funniest part about this is he doesn't have the rest of the words, and he was mad at you guys

for not knowing words. He also did not know, because he did not know. He did not. You didn't get there. It was just, eh. Well, I know the lyrics that are like, I'm Greg Cody and that's how it was. Back in my day. I know those words.

But Dan is right, we all joined in any better. Man of means by no means. Sorry, enough, enough. Great. Your glasses continue to fog up. Can I ask you guys, this is a thought exercise and we'll see on where the Miami Heat land on this. I would say as half the Eastern Conference tears its Achilles, it's a good time to get better. And I think it's irrefutable that Kevin Durant makes your team better.

I can't believe we let Jonathan Zaslow get away with that bullshit yesterday. Well what happened to you yesterday? So Zaslow's feeling more and more confident these days in a way that's not really explainable and he got a bonus that kicked in when the Panthers won the championship so he's going to be around more. But you came in today and I haven't seen this from you before. Usually you're okay saying someone's full of shit right when they're in the room with you but you waited a full 12 hours before getting mad at Zaslow and calling him

full of shit. No, I called him on it like a little bit during the show, but it kind of sat with me. I'm like this guy of all people, if they traded for Kevin Durant, he would be hanging from the ceiling celebrating the move. He's a good player. He's a good player. He's a hell of a fan. He might be hit. He's a boy. Kevin Durant. He's a boy. Pat Riley. He's a boy.

Don't talk bad about Pat Riley. I'll take Durant at 50. He'll make that shot until he's 66. This is your boy, Kevin Durant. This is your boy, Pat Riley. This is your boy. Don't talk bad about Pat Riley. I'll take Durant at 50. I'll take him. He'll make that shot until he's 66. I mean, what is he talking about? Make me care. Make me care about Kevin Durant. I'll come with you.

What? Are you serious? Something's up with him. He thinks he can just come in here all willy nilly, say whatever he wants. You gotta punch him in the head. And let him know. Let a diamond do it.

You can't just come in and say whatever you want. Let Riley slap him. Exactly right. So Billy, this is that? Across the table, just like, bap! Okay, so is it? Let him know. Billy, he's 80 years old,

so whatever you imagine that moves him. Zazz? He looks horrible. He looks good. I guess for 80 he looks good. He's horrible for 28. He looks good for 80. He looks bad for his 80.

He looks good for 80? He really does. He looks like 10 years of morning radio. OK? He used to be a vibrant person, and now just what happened to him was 10 years of don't work in this business in the morning. It'll gut you. So he was vibrant, huh?

I never believed him to be vibrant. I think he was always that, right? He was. Known as for 20 years, he's pretty much been that I at 6 a.m. 10 a.m. 3 p.m. It's a boogs producer It's an act of cowardice that you would wait until the next day to break out the fake Zazz at him and call him full Of shit the next day when he's here tomorrow Again, and you won't say any of it to his face. I mean I would say it to his face again and you won't say any of it to his face. I mean I would say it to his face.

Jonathan Zaslow knows how full of shit he's being there and that's cool. That was his role yesterday. Jeremy's playing that role today. So let me ask you this question. Here's the thought exercise that I want to do. I'm sorry Jeremy, you and I have had reasonable discourse today. And I think you also would admit that if Kevin Durant were acquired by the Miami Heat, for any one of those packages, you'd be a bull.

I wanted Kevin Durant. Let's go! I can acknowledge I wanted Kevin Durant. The Kevin Durant trade was announced before Tyrese Halliburton goes down. We all admit Tyrese Halliburton tearing his Achilles opens up what we all perceive to be a pretty wide open East even more. Do you think? Making you wonder at the time if it's better for Yanis to just stay in Milwaukee.

Right, even though they have their own Achilles injury to deal with, and he's on the books, and it's difficult for them to improve on their roster. If we just shift the order of events, Halliburton tears his Achilles. Does Miami ramp up their trade efforts to get Durant thinking that now this East is even more wide open, us merely improving gets us in a position

where I can talk myself into Hero, Bam, and Kevin Durant being the best threesome in the Eastern Conference. It might. It might change the way that they view it. I think that the reason you saw the Heat draw a line in the sand where they did and not make the decision to give up every available asset that they have. And I think the conversation that gets sort of diluted is comparing their assets to others. You can't do it that way.

You're one franchise that has a certain amount of assets to improve your team. So where they drew that line was, do we think that Kevin Durant, Tyler Hero, Bam Adabayo, and Kaleel Ware alone, with a bunch of guys who are picked up in the margins through minimum contracts essentially, is enough to not just win the Eastern Conference,

but win a championship. Because what you're doing is sacrificing your ability next off season, where you have everything available to you, including what would be going into the final year of a Tyler Hero contract, a guy that several teams would probably want to trade for and extend in the final year of a deal, or if they didn't, a huge number

that would be able to fit into a window. And you could do anything that you want next off season. So they go into this with Kevin Durant, and they say, is that going to make us a championship winning team? Because just going hasn't been good enough. If their answer to that is no, that's why you have to draw a line at keeping Jovic

because you would need to be able to use him and Duncan Robinson, who can be cut for 50% of his deal, as a way to upgrade at other role-player positions. Why are lines drawn in the sand? Find out for me, please, because you were really drawing a lot of lines in the sand while Billy want Pat Riley to slap someone with a fencing glove. It's been 10 years.

No, a ring. I want a diamond in someone's forehead. It's been embedded, right? It's been 10 years since Pat Riley told Danny Age of the Boston Celtics threw a spokesman to shut the bleep up. Do it again. You're saying he needs to do it again.

Yes. Yeah, no. Like actual, I would guys, look, for the record here, let me be crystal clear, I would never encourage physical violence. However, I'm not known as the godfather. You know what I mean? Like if my name was the executioner and I've gone 20 years without Executioning then all of a sudden people start wondering why is he still known as the executioner exactly right?

He's an executioner. Exactly right. Someone needs to kind of you know, you go in there I'm not saying the biggest person in the room Maybe Donnie Walsh is in there doing something who knows and you just go and boom knock him off his chair or something Donnie Walsh is in there doing something, who knows, and you just go and boom, knock him off his chair or something. Donnie Walsh. Is Donnie Walsh still at it? Always make me laugh. In fairness, the Godfather doesn't do the dirty business himself, he sends his lieutenant.

But he does enough that you're afraid of crossing the Godfather. What you need to do is you need to have Andy Ellisberg with some brass knuckles taking care of business. Andy Ellisberg. With brass knuckles. Because when that guy walks into a room, he's menacing. That's his presence.

No, come on. Don, no, no, no, he's right. He really started it. Thank you, Andy Ellisberg looks like the guy, and this is very specific, but Andy Ellisberg looks like the guy in Ocean's Eleven that takes you into the back room of that casino, and you're not coming out.

You're going to meet Benedict, you sit down, and then it's an empty table with some metal chairs, and it's Andy Ellisberg there with some brass nooks made out of championship rings. Two walk in, one walk out. I appreciate, Billy, that you guys, after a lifetime in South Florida, have an appreciation for what Andy Ellisberg looks like.

Okay, you have created him as the muscle in casino, and it's not exactly how I think of Andy Ellisberg looks like, okay. You have created him as the muscle in Casino, and it's not exactly how I think of Andy Ellisberg. He is their chief accountant. No, you're doing this. We haven't done anything. I haven't been the muscle. See, nothing but muscles. None of us have done anything for the record.

Yeah. This is gonna fall on us. We don't like it. No, it's going to fall on you guys for a reason, and that reason is you summoned Andy Ellisberg as- He's strong. You're not showing the breast knuckles that he's wearing. guys for a reason and that reason is you summoned Andy Ellisberg as strong you're not showing the brass knuckles no as Pat Riley's muscle when all he needs defense from is your disrespect the only thing the only disrespecting him all of

you guys look Chris Cody Greg I don't know how you feel about this is someone who's a longtime columnist in this in this community and someone who upholds righteously the idea that the columnist is a standard bearer for having grace about how you criticize people. Your son, Chris Cody, your son yesterday made jokes about Pat Riley spilling his rings on the floor now and dropping pills on the floor. Chris said that. I don't think I said Billy did. It was you. I said marbles. I said he lost his marbles. Pat Riley spilling his rings on the floor now and dropping pills on the floor Said marbles

Purposely dropping the rings. It's now We've given him plenty of grace This show is not called for his head This show is giving voice who would barely given voice to a narrative that has been out there about Pat Riley for a very long time. We are not the hypercritical Pat Riley show. You were doing senility yesterday. You guys were doing ageism and senility yesterday. No, I am calling into question something that is out there, which is why has this guy not been able to pull off a big deal when his whole thing is I pull off big deals?

What is it? And we're looking for reasons. Billy, you are condoning violence here. I keep seeing you condone violence. No, I'm not. I'm off big deals. What is it? And we're looking for reasons. Billy, you are condoning violence here. I keep seeing you condone violence. No, I'm not. I'm not doing so. We're grabbing at reasons, and one of the reasons that people often grab in this situation is, well, has the game passed this person by?

We highlighted a couple examples of which he probably admit he misstepped, and us pointing to his age is just a piece of data for you to chew on. I've often said he gets to write his own ending. That's a full stop for me, but it doesn't save him from criticisms. On the subject of Kevin Durant, I was telling you, I've abstained from reporting anything around Durant over the last couple of months. I've not asked any questions of anybody, but the last time I checked in on Durant, I told you guys they want picks.

Picks is what they want. The Suns need to rebuild everything Ishbia did there. That's what they want. They want picks. I can sit here now and say as a transaction, I believe South Florida would agree with what I'm about to say, which is no promise of Yanis.

If I can get k d for a package that does not have where in it and gets rid of rosier and wiggins i want to make that trade and have this year of kevin durant i think we can all agree on that that's part of where it is the anger resides on some of this i think you'd have consensus there on how could pat riley not have done that. And when I say to you guys, well, what am I missing

about the reporting, okay? What am I missing in, I'm not questioning Shams, I'm just saying like, it doesn't make sense that you wouldn't trade Jovic and Highsmith and dump those contracts for Durant. Like, I wonder about the picks. And again, what Phoenix actually wanted and how high Houston was going

to keep going if Miami's offer kept getting better because Houston didn't have to give up its assets which is the reason we're having this whole conversation of how could Miami outbid Houston and what if I tell you Phoenix wasn't going to let Miami outbid Houston? Phoenix wanted picks! But if you're Miami you make Houston give as many picks away as possible, as much as possible. But that might have been the case when you were doing the reporting on this. Shams and the Miami Heat via Barry Jackson

have come out and said what the deal was and what the tipping point was for Miami. There weren't that many picks. It was mostly players, and they drew the line at Jovich in one package, or they had an option to go down the wear path. That's what the deal was. Those are two very reputable reporters that said that.

It's not this bounty of picks that it was last year. The data changed and I think Jeremy made exceptional points. If that, I'm not gonna sit here and argue getting Kevin Durant is a championship move. I will argue it makes you better. It makes the East way more competitive and it may be a move away from being championship contending. But has that been the standard for the last three years?

Because what I would say is getting better should be the objective. Or go the other way and get a hell of a lot worse. Because we have a shining beacon of an example that presently has your first round pick, by the way, that doesn't want to drink any of the beer in the locker room, that seems like they're going to be around for 15 years because they did it the other way. So are you going to tread water for three more years? What's the decision that we're making? Because is this move making us championship good? Has that really been the standard for three years? Because I don't think so. I think they've been trying to upgrade it at role player positions around the core they

had because they saw that core go to championships and thought that they could extend more out of it. The misstep we know was that they extended the core that existed with Jimmy for too long if they weren't going to extend him for the long term. So now the question just becomes what is your best and most pragmatic move? Because like you said if you don't think you're a championship team with just Durant you need to be able to make some other moves in the margins that's why you keep Jovich. But if Jovich and pick swaps are part of where you're ending up breaking up this deal, because you've decided you're willing to give up one pick

and you're willing to give up Hakez plus some other pieces, you're drawing a line in the sand, which goes back to biblical times, John 8, where some have perhaps erroneously interpreted Jesus writing in the sand as drawing a line in the sand in order to address those who were about to stone a woman caught in adultery. This is not a time to be pragmatic.

Shams' writing was confusing, it was his fault, Barry saying there was nothing remotely conflicting about the reports, but then admitting the writing was confusing. That was rich. Your information, guys. Barry Jackson and Shams, I simply want the most accurate of information, please. That's all I was asking for.