The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Patrick Mahomes vs Josh Allen

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Yeah yeah yeah the Buffalo Bills and Kansas City Chiefs played another classic in last night's AFC Championship Game, but what if we started a late-night show with Cam Jurgens? Who is the second most famous center of all time behind Jason Kelce? Okay seriously though, that was an incredible game last night and the crew is here to break it all down. Mike Ryan is feeling sick for Josh Allen this morning after he fell short to Patrick Mahomes yet again, would he beat Patrick Mahomes if Patrick Mahomes didn't exist? Plus, we re-visit Greg Cote's incredible performance on last night's Watchalong as he came out firing and took out the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award. Should Josh Allen go all in on winning the Walter Payton Man of the Year since he can't seem to get that elusive Super Bowl? Also, the Chiefs will take on the Philadelphia Eagles again after the two played a classic Super Bowl two years ago, but is the average sports fan tired of this matchup? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Which sounds a lot like my high school experience, but either way we're here Does he have a brother that could date a celebrity? Oh, man. You guys saw yesterday's Philadelphia Eagles game. Yeah. Said to yourself, well, they don't need Jason Kelsey. You guys told me that was an important center. None of us know how to measure that.

He just has a podcast. It could be entirely possible that this is a Brett Farber and Rodgers to Jordan Love situation where the Eagles just have generational center after generational center. But a couple of months removed from him stepping down and getting all sorts of media opportunities that we've never seen a center in the NFL ever get.

And they're much better at running the ball. They had seven rushing touchdowns. He goes in there hurt and they still dominate the line of scrimmage. Juergens tonight. Can you guys tell me who the second most famous center is ever? Mike Webster.

I mean you got in there confidently but you took somebody from the 1970s that a whole lot of people listening here haven't here haven't heard of I genuinely can't without Googling I have to Google for assistance on finding out famous centers I do think that three years from now given just just general difficulties of late night a group of executives are gonna get together with the Jason Kelsey decision to give a late-night show and be, what were we doing back then? Like, we got carried away, right? With the whole thing.

Caught up in the moment. Is he like, Hawk Tua for media sports people? I feel like it's Jeff Saturday, but if his last game wasn't Saturday, would he be as famous? That's a good one. Put that on the poll at LeBotard Show. Would Jeff Saturday be as famous if he wasn't named Saturday and

Put the second thing up there as well is Jeff Saturday the second most famous center ever I've always thought about that. I've always thought that about Dwight Lauderdale in this market Like just gets a boost up having that last name Yeah, is that something you've thought of a lot is it Dwight Lauderdale an anchor from 15 years ago? I have to be honest. I have thought the same thing It's true. He's broadcasting in one of the major cities is Fort Lauderdale and he's named Dwight Lauderdale What's he gonna do that wherever market he ended up in look I'm on to him and Al sunshine Nick man golds been in a lot of commercial. Yes

That's a good one. Might be on the Rushmore. Yeah, Rushmore, literally, Rushmore. You got four that you need to put up there, and you've only given me three so far. Webster was a great answer, I thought. Barrett Robbins? I mean, Webster's up there, right?

It might be Barrett. Pouncies are good. The Pouncies had their day. I think Jessica skester's up there, right? It might be Barrett. Pouncies are good. The Pouncies had their day. I think Jessica skews Pittsburgh here though because I don't think the majority of the audience knows who we're talking about when we say Mike Webster. Olin Krutz. Ooh.

Anybody who would fight your teammates, anyone whose teammates are all scared of him like Olin Krutz, you guys were watching Eagles commanders yesterday marveling at the fact that it was just a fight, right? That they just decided at some point to start punching each other, punching the ball out, but it's okay if it doesn't hit the ball and just hits the dude's face.

Is that what Marcus Latimore does now? That's all he does, yeah. This dude's a problem. He's just always fighting. I mean, that position's gotta suck to Ajatt. Especially if you were as good as he was. Like, that was a person. Mike Evans beat him up the last time they faced each other,

but that was a person who gave Mike Evans problems, was it not? Yeah, I mean, Latimore was at Ohio State and certainly in New Orleans. He was incredible. And now he's moved on and he's gotten kind of like bigger and I don't know if he's just overcompensated. He was always physical, but now he's just really overcompensating because his body can't quite do the same things by

just trying to be really powerful and mixing it up with big strong guys. And like there was that that stretch where there's maybe like 35 seconds of game time where Philadelphia scored the 14 points when it was a one score game. And Latimore is just like totally out of the game in his own head. He's playing his own game with AJ Brown. Yeah, just fighting him.

He just like totally short-circuited in that. And he was brought in to be a soothing, veteran calming presence there for that secondary. And the guy's just having like a crisis of confidence within his own body. He's just overcompensating by just going crazy. I think when you're talking all time centers, you have to include Bulldog Turner.

All decade team, I mean great name, Bulldog. That's all you're doing there with both him and Saturday, you're taking the first, the nickname, and the last name. Two way player looks like he led the NFL and interceptions in 1942 as well. Wow. Really? Classic bulldog.

Wow. That is impressive. The center led the league in interceptions. That'd probably be hard to do today. I know this is a weird market to do this in. I've noticed from my group chats that a lot of people don't feel bad for the Buffalo Bills because they're Dolphins fans.

But I woke up, like I haven't hurt for a team that I haven't had a connection to like this in quite some time because Josh Allen and this Bills team gets to be historic losers. Sadly for that franchise, it's not the most known historic loser, but it's not like they choke in these games.

It's not like you can pick apart his performance. He plays so well every time he goes up against Patrick Mahomes and they still come up short. Stugats, Dalton Kincade stole from Josh Allen what would have been a Buffalo Bills memory for all time. No doubt. On a catch you've got to make because the play that Josh Allen made running straight backward 12 yards back is the play that needed to be made

to beat Patrick Mahomes and he made it. Josh Allen made it and Dalton Kincaid did not. We didn't, and we didn't obsess over this over the watch long because there's so many things going on and we're not hearing the feed and I'm not monitoring social to know what like what a big deal it was he got that first down well wait a minute you know what they got the first down before that the play before that they got Kincaid I think was the

one who got the first down both spots were bad and this is where I say this is really stupid the way that we're doing this that we decide what Josh Allen is for all time over game of inches just just two referees running at each other and they're running in different places. They're spotting the ball differently. There's nothing more annoying than that. You see them running and they're just like, wait, they're a yard apart.

How does that happen? I mean, the angle from behind him was, it made it seem obvious when he just needed to get to the pronounced line over there. But I think what stings the most, and you could see Josh Allen wearing it in his post game, is it's not just a Super Bowl appearance for that market, and his legacy, it's not even one potential championship.

Mahomes is literally standing in his way from being Patrick Mahomes. Yes, from being an all-time great. Josh Allen would be Patrick Mahomes were not for Patrick Mahomes Constantly throwing the door in his face, right and spags I mean go ahead and look at the stats on last night's game. Josh Allen was better. It doesn't mean anything It won't be remembered that way to Mike's point Teams with four plus touchdowns and zero turnovers are 21 and two in the playoffs since 2000

Since 2000 at 2020, excuse me. The two losses, the Bills at Chiefs, 2024 AFC Championship, Bills at Chiefs, 2001 Divisional Round. He is keeping, Mike is right, Patrick Mahomes is keeping Josh Allen from being Patrick Mahomes. It's not just that though.

It's Patrick Mahomes needing to be on a team that has no precedent in the sport if they win another game. Like that the last three years of Chiefs football, it's not just that my Holmes is standing in his way, it's something that will look like an empire when we look back at it 30 years from now. And think about the last two eliminations in the postseason. Josh Allen made the play. Kincaid can't make the play. Diggs can't make the play for him. He makes the throws in the moment.

And to even come up with that throw, after what I can only describe as a satanic disguised pass rush from Spags. It was evil. That was pure evil, what we saw. And Josh Allen still found a way

to get the ball off and find a receiver But like if we're being honest, he just threw it up there like hoping that it found someone Kincaid was open he saw Kincaid. No, but he just threw it just threw it up They're hoping that the play would happen now You would say hey Josh Allen has made so many ridiculous plays for us over the years Kincaid needs to catch that ball It was right in his hand. He did need to catch that ball, but Josh was heaving it downfield, hoping something would happen.

He was running for his life, come on, that was crazy. Agreed. What's he supposed to do? Same way though that Eli Manning just threw it up to Tyree, and Tyree made the play, and it's remembered for all time. I don't think that'd be a catch now. It'd get overturned over time. If we were to re-litigate that play,

I don't think that would be. It touched the floor. Yeah, I don't think that would be viewed as a catch now. Let me ask you guys something, because Mike mentioned how as he went home, his feeling for the Bills got worse. Are any of you confused by the sheer lack of happiness for the Chiefs?

Like the nationwide lack of happiness for the Chiefs? Like the nationwide lack of happy that is Chiefs adjacent, where nobody seemed to be rooting for that as a result. Why is that? Why does no one wanna see this happen? No one wants to be part of history, I don't get it. They're so lovable. You kinda get tired of the same team doing it again and again and again, right?

Oh, this is a different team like are they villains they wanted to be villains last year. They tried to make themselves villains I don't view them as villains the positive for them is they're playing Philadelphia I was gonna say do we want to see people from Philadelphia happy like get out of here I don't view them as villains either I think maybe some of that stuff starts to play because Buffalo just seems pure And they they're there you can root for that type of underdog from that market seems pure. And they, they're, they're, you can root for that type of underdog from that market, that, that scrappy team and their playing style.

So when you juxtapose them from the other team, that's just so likable, maybe they become unlikable, but I'm not there yet. I wanted to see them lose. Someone made the point yesterday that we just went from like a dynasty to another dynasty with no break in the middle. The last time that we saw an AFC championship without the Patriots or the Chiefs was 2017.

I wonder where the line is though on where it is that people get tired of the greedy gluttonous empire. I think it's two Super Bowls in a row. I think we all have Chiefs fatigue right now. Unless you're a Chiefs fan, you're like, man, I've already seen this matchup, I've already seen this head coach, I've already seen this matchup I've already seen this head coach. I've already seen this quarterback already seen this tight end We're still doing this huh the matchup was a classic though. I mean the first matchup. It was a great game

I understand chiefs I know I understand people not wanting to see the same matchup twice in three years But it was a great game at some point with the Patriots It turned from a cute story to that's enough It never did happen to Michael Jordan, but he took a break in between Michael Jordan was not someone the nation tended to be rooting Against no matter how many underdogs made an appearance nor did people tire of him. We wanted more I think the Patriots like even turned it again towards the end like at the end Like I kind of was he Brady win again and see if he could do it again towards the end. At the end, you're like, I kinda wanna see Brady win again and see if he could do this.

At the end of his career, see if he could do this one last time, and then he goes and he wins one in Tampa, too. But I think that the Patriots were so long that you kinda rooted for them and then you hated them, and then at the end, you're like, can they keep doing this? I kinda wanna see how much they can do this.

The thing, though, with Mahomes that is happening because this is the most limited offense he's had, that's the highest scoring game they've had this season. They needed all of it. The thing that's happening with Mahomes is it's happening so much for him so early happening so much for him so early that I don't see people rallying around his superstardom in a way that supports I'm witnessing historic greatness the way that you would during Michael Jordan's day because somebody's not supposed to get there every year even seven-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady

wasn't getting there every year. And so, you know, there were stops along the way where you're not one win away from three in a row. And does Jessica have this right when she says, it's two. It's two when you're going for the third that we're all like, it can't just be like that. But again, we were okay with it before. Social again, we were okay with it before social media, we were okay with it with Michael Jordan

a million years ago. I think the average fan doesn't root for historical greatness. The average fan roots for their team, and if you're a fan of almost any team in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes has beaten you in the last decade and you're sick of it. You want him to lose.

That's how it ended up with the Patriots. At first I was like, this is annoying, this is annoying, and then the Steelers kept losing to them in the playoffs, and I was like, all right, someone needs to stop this. Right, Tom Brady did. I mean. But like, do you want to give Nick Sirianni all of that power, really?

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Carvana Value Tracker today. Don LeBattard. I want to talk about a team that I actually want to see come playoff time. I want to see the Chiefs. Oh, Stugats. I want Patrick Mahomes strolling into my stadium with max confidence. I want Travis Kelcey. I want Taylor Swift. I want the team that lost to Jordan Love. I want the team that lost to Aiden O'Connell. I want the team that trailed 17 to nothing to Jake Browning.

That is the team that I would like to face in the playoffs. That's the team indeed that I would want to face in the playoffs. That's the team indeed that I would want to face in the playoffs because that team is not very good. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. We have a ton of emotion here in the room today and Stugats, last night Greg Cody came out of the gate. He was complaining because he didn't have his Miller Lite. it was a strong complaint and was a good complaint he was cantankerous about it he was bothered he's like is this a watch party or is

this a watch symposium where's my where's my miller light and so he came out of the box here roaring again maximum curmudgeon and took us all off guard where he decided to start the watch along last night. Why are you ripping the Walter Payton man of the year? Okay I'm not ripping it and and God bless Walter Payton and his memory and legacy but I'm ripping the NFL for advertising this off-field award as the NFL's most prestigious award. No it isn't. The NFL MVP is a bigger award, right? I mean, winning a Super Bowl is a bigger award. God bless the men who have won the NFL Man of the Year

because they did great off-field work, community work. Just don't call it the most prestigious award. I don't think even the men who have won that award think of it as the most prestigious award. That's all I'm saying It's like the Medal of Freedom Well, if you say so, okay, I mean, you know, what's his name? Leonel Messi wins the Medal of Freeman the Medal of Freeman show About that he had too busy 19 people win the Medal of Freedom 18 show up for the award little missy's you know doing god knows what

I'm telling you somebody's gonna go get some here because Usually I'm all for making it a Miller time, but Greg's cooking let's give them like this can tanker It's great. Yeah, that's not that's not a you know a negative on the NFL Man of the Year. The MOI, the MOI, it's a great award. I don't think it's called the MOI. Yeah, Man of the Year. It's called the Walter Payton.

It's not the MOI. The MOI is not what it's called. W.P. MOI, for short. But it's a good award. Nobody on earth can name who won it two years ago, but it's such a prestigious award. He's right.

You're always in trouble if Greg Cody starts something with God bless so and so, so and so. Covered himself on the front end. And here comes the butt. God bless Walter Payton. I wrote that down Can I ask an insensitive question like amongst friends here? No judgment, okay? tomorrow Hamlin nominated for comeback player of the year again

What is he coming back from this time? Mm-hmm bad? Yeah, he was not that good last year He was never good to begin with. But this was his best season. I have three intersections, come on. He finally played. Like, he was a backup his whole career. But he came back last year to Billings Point. Yeah, but he was good for them this year.

But come on, this feels like a makeup award. Like, they meant to give it to him last year, and then they didn't, so like, we'll just give it to him next year. They're low on nominees. People forget when the incident happened. I've heard rumors that the expectation was that if Flacco won, he was going to give it to Damar Hamlin.

And Flacco was like, nope, this is mine. The Chiefs were hunting Hamlin last night, especially on whatever the Mahomes running plays were. Yeah. I think even if his last name was Tuesday, we don't really talk about him the same way. I think Sunday is like the only other day of the week he could have gotten away with.

There was a baseball player called Rick Monday. No one talked about him. Back to my dad's point about the Walter Payton Award, do you think there's any jerk out there that just like tells his agent, hey, I won it on this award? Like it's all just for the pub. It's just like, I want all the photo ops.

Are there incentives if you win? I assume like some players probably have awards in their contracts where they'll get more money. There can't be a charitable incentive if you win Walter Payton Man of the Year award. There has to be. There almost has to be. I believe you should donate to whoever wins. That's what I imagine they would do.

Okay, perhaps, but I don't think anyone's got a contract clause that pays them more money. Otherwise you'd have 50 guys, hey get me some turkeys, I'm going to the orphanage this morning. This honestly may have to be Josh Allen's pivot. Just go all in on that award. That's the most prestigious award. I wanna see the emails of the one guy telling his agent,

hey, I don't care about the good stuff. They don't leave a paper trail on that. It makes me look good. Those are all meetings that have no paperwork on them. Those are all voice notes. The man of the year winner receives a $250,000 donation in his name to a charity of his choice. The other 31 finalists received donations of their name

of $50,000 to each charities of their choice. Mike is right. I can't name the guy who won it two years ago or at any time, but I'm guessing if we were just guessing, JJ Watt has won that award, right? 2017. Of course. Don't they wear like a special like patch on their- Yeah, the Walter, J.J. Watt has won that award, right? 2017. Really? Don't they wear like a special patch on their?

Yeah, for Walter Payton? Yeah. It looks like Batman on this. Kim Hayward won it last year, I did know that. The idea of a guy coming into his agent and marketing team and being like, this year you guys bring me the sick kids. All right, we're gonna take a lot. I need this award.

Look, every Tuesday, I'm taking pictures. We're gonna win that award this year. You put me in a children's hospital. Leslie, Bill, Paul, if you don't win me this award, you're fired. Plenty of pictures, posts like crazy, because if I just do this for doing it, it's not as nice. Bring an outfit change,

maybe people think I go more than once. I also like the idea of somebody going in there and just being aggressively, you know what? I'm gonna take a lane no one else is taking. I'm being shameless about from day one of the season, I'm going to win this award. Like I'm gonna say it out loud, hashtag slogans. That would be terrible to commit so much

of your life to charity work. It'd be the worst, honestly. That would be so shameless, Dan. What a ruse. Terrible. Just to win the award. What's the cause? Water?

Nah, not enough eyes. Have you guys noticed the ticket that Gadel gives away every single week is the exact same seat number? So he's constantly giving away tickets. What ticket? Every day, Gadel, every- He's been doing a ticket giveaway? Yeah, every playoff game, they give Super Bowl tickets

to fans who have done something for the team or whatever. And every single time, it's the exact same seat number. Like it's a stock photo, probably? No, it's a giant printed out prop. But you think that's the actual ticket for the seat? No, I know that it's not. It's like when you have a phone number in a show and it's like 555, fake number. But they're holding two tickets with the exact same seat number. It's like when you have a phone number in a show and it's like five five five, fake number.

But they're holding two tickets with the exact same seat number. It's like, oh, we gave away two tickets, blah blah blah. And it's like, they couldn't even put seats six and seven. They're both like seat six. They printed one thing multiple times. They take it city to city and they're giving away the same exact seat.

You think they should create multiple props for each city? I think it's gonna be very confusing, honestly. They're all gonna get there and they're gonna be in the same seat? Everyone's gonna have the same seat What's the us you're gonna do? I think you have to sit on the other person's lap who got there first You mentioned the five five five hotline number. We tried last week a failed experiment We are revamping it and hopefully trying to get one eight hundred stugats as the number

So that we can make the hotline little better but stugatz on his way home learned of this hotline was bothered by the two hot takes that were selected by the producers to punctuate segments last week and so he decided on his way home our sponsored hotline to leave his own voicemail on the way home again this is something he did years ago he can't help himself he's got to give opinions wherever it is they'll be recorded let's see what we have here or how hey Dan Stewart on a mobile phone first time long time love the show anyway Dan I don't know if you watch the games over the weekend but I did and let me tell

you something I got to be honest with you if the Chiefs think they can play like that, the way they did against the Texans, if they think they can play like that against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills, they got another thing coming. I mean, they do. And let me tell you something. If the chiefs play the way they did last weekend against the Texans and they play that way against the Buffalo Bills, the Bills are just going to win the game. They're going to win the game by three touchdowns,

possibly four. How about that? I'll hang up and listen. They did not. Well, they played better. That Boost Mobile Boldest Take from the Weekend is presented by Boost Mobile, the newest 5G network in the country.

How was God bless football this morning? How did you guys do? It was bittersweet because we love football so much and no one loves football more than Billy. That we get sad this time of year because we just have a single game. Like my Saturday felt empty. I didn't know what to do with myself.

There was no college football and now we just have one football game left and then it's over. So it's a bittersweet day here on God Bless Football. The Pro Bowl games coming up, we pretend to care about basketball a little bit, but it's just not the same. Did you guys have enough games yesterday? I was telling you before that you get addicted

to the stimuli of give me all the games and then next thing you know, you've got a 3.30 start and a 6.30 start, you don't know what to do with yourself at one o'clock on a Sunday because you've been binging all season a torrent of games and now all of a sudden everyone gets out of the way for the two showcase games

and rather inexplicably late at night, Thunder Blazers, the only game on the NBA schedule. Weird, I like the three and 6.30 start. I like having more time to get my stuff done on a Sunday before the game starts. I enjoyed it. I don't like fewer games. I'd prefer week 15 to that weekend.

Unless you get that game, the one you got at 6 o'clock. I have no complaints about the game. I just want more games. Like, at this point, they've spoiled me with this. At this point, the sugary addiction of the action is such that I'd prefer six games to the one. I'd prefer six games in the four o'clock window. If you got the storylines around that AFC championship. Yeah, it was enough.

And it delivered. Those two teams always deliver. It's always the drama. It's like, I'll never get sick of hyping that game between those two teams, because it always delivers on every single one of the storylines. deliver. It's always the drama. It's like, I'll never get sick of hyping that game between those two teams because it always delivers on every single one of the storylines. This is how we fix the chiefs fatigue situation,

by the way. Someone just hire Spags as your head coach. We would all prefer just to watch that game again, right? Yeah. Like if I told you, I'd give you the Super Bowl, Bill's chiefs again. You good? I'm good with that, but this one's pretty good.

I mean, no, then I would have Bill's Chiefs fatigue. Billy thinks, and we apologize, because this was brought up during God bless football, that Spags should bring all the secrets to Buffalo. Can you give me the recycled take sound, please, at LeBattard Show? It's a good take, I don't care if it's recycled. Would you be okay with, put it on the poll, Juju,

would you be okay with just the Bills and the Chiefs playing again for the Super Bowl and everyone just telling Philadelphia? You know what next year? Well, sorry, you're you got whatever we change the rules Or they play again since they won one time each this year They play again and then they play Philly like we just know the problem is canceled What if a rubber match one winner? Beat them in the regular season, so technically this season they're one and one. Bill should have forfeited that regular season game

and not shown them anything. Yep. Right, so the Chiefs should agree to not be in the Super Bowl, so they can play the Bills one more time and potentially not be in the Super Bowl, but they already just won the game. Play the Bills again, beat them, play the Eagles,

beat them, then play the Bengals. You guys are like, shitting on the NFC side of this. I thought the Eagles game was pretty good, pretty interesting. Saquon Barkley is really freaking good. Philadelphia's gonna be favored. They are favored, are they not? Is Philadelphia?

I'm not sure. I think the Chiefs were one and a half points favored. All right, I'd watch that line over the coming week. Rather than admit that you were wrong. I'm down with that. Keep an eye on it. I like that move. I am watching it.

It's already up to minus two. I like that move. I will be right in a week. Just keep an eye on it. I will. Keep an eye on it. He's not guys. Come on.

He's not saying anything. He's just saying watch it. I happen to agree with Dan. I think people are going to pound Philadelphia. I do. I think people feel like that's the best team in the NFL. Just like they pounded the Bills. Once they realize that Jason Kelsey has been devalued

in the last 24 hours by this show. He's petitioning to get into the Hall of Fame next year, right, before kind of his career is not invalidated, but somewhat proven. Maybe he wasn't the secret sauce in the Twitch push. I just saw it invalidated, but somewhat proven. Maybe he wasn't the secret sauce in the touch push. I just saw it invalidated when I came in today. Well, no, but no one's doing that on air. That's just private talk.

Private talk is different than on air talk, Dan, come on. You know that. The way that Philadelphia runs the football where their quarterback is their worst skill position player. That's how you have to do it, Buffalo, around Josh Allen. And I know the contract's gonna make it tough. It's made it tougher Patrick Mahomes, and he's found a way. Also, kind of funny that Patrick Mahomes is on the Chiefs

because of a trade that Bill's made, and Xavier Worthy cooks him, and Xavier Worthy is on the Chiefs, not the Bills because of a trade the Bills made. Billy, we did it on air. Maybe. Maybe. The problem with today's is there's so few

football storylines that it's inevitable we're gonna have the same things, you know? We did the trade thing, we did the scratch thing. I disagree, I believe that all over content making, people are going from one hour to the next, not saying exactly the same thing that they did before. Here Billy, I'll debate something you said earlier. I don't think Josh Allen just chucked it up.

I think he knew there was a receiver down there. I think he's that, if you look at the replay, his eyes are downfield. He's trying to find an open guy. And the pass was like pretty good too. It just, Kinkade was sort of like awkwardly turning. It was low. You couldn't catch it and I feel bad for him.

It wasn't, I don't think it was anything like the Mark Andrews point. It honestly speaks to how impressive Josh Allen is, because it looks like, to Billy's point, that he's just chucking it up. But no, Kinkade right there. Let's examine that play for a second, because fine for me, the Sam Darnold playoff game,

where the announcer from on high is just saying from the safety of the press box near the hot dogs and the free media chips, just run Sam Darnold even though you're surrounded by cyclones of menace and horror. Just know that what is around you is something that you should see clearly the way that I see it from up here. Ben Solak, didn't he come out and say on that play

that Shakir was wide open down the field as Josh Allen ran 12 yards backward in a panic? Hold up, did you describe it as cyclones of menace and horror? Wow. Imagine Dan witnessing a crime and the cop has to take down exactly what happened. Like what the hell happened here?

Can you dumb it down? I would say that Chris Jones is a cyclone of menace and horror in any context that I were to run into him where I was trying to do something that he was trying to prevent me from doing. I'm gonna be okay with what it is I've just said there and if you don't like what I've said, that's fine. But how tall was the person?

He was just a cyclone. He was one eye? As high as, not a cyclops, a cyclone. Oh, a big difference, yeah. Yeah, when Ben Solik is saying that Shakir is wide open for a first down over there, and Josh Allen is running backwards with his legacy over here, and it's Chris Jones

coming up the middle of the field on him. You do it. Yeah, the right. He's in the middle of the field, and also is fourth and five, so if you throw up behind the line of scrimmage and he doesn't get the first down, the game's over anyway, so I get why

he's looking downfield there. The man must have been 8,000 ants tall. Go ahead and play the sound of that announcer screaming and yelling Because Sam Darnold couldn't see what could be easily seen from the press box It's a great call casual indifference of run like it's so easy The casual indifference of- Just run! Just like it's so easy!

He's holding it too long! Throw it, man! I have a bold take. I'm a man standing up in a crowd meme. I'm super into this Super Bowl. The one that we saw recently was one of the best Super Bowls ever. The line is already telling you, keep an eye on it by the way, that these two teams are very close. The Eagles are a totally different team

than since their early season struggles. They've found this new explosive run game where I think you're accurate. It is a bit of a hot take because it'll get picked apart, but Jalen Hurts is probably, of all their skill guys, the least impressive, the least good at his job. It's an unbelievable matchup.

The guy who said just run was London Fletcher. I mean, that does give it more credibility, right? He's holding it too long! Throw it, man! I suppose that, you know, London Fletcher played and he was used to whenever it is that he came into a place, someone would just run away from him. So his life experience is that if came into a place someone would just run away from him so his life experience

is that if someone is being chased they should just run but Sam Darnold you know tends to throw his way out of situations. I do understand how it is we have all of the answers after someone else has lost the game but I do want to present to you and the audience again the general stupidity of deciding that kind of game that always delivers with consecutive plays of the refs marking the ball in the wrong place and therefore deciding that game. Now a number of different things could have happened after that but at that point it was Bills 22-21 and as soon as the Bills failed to recover, they never led again.

Right, yes. So they lost the game on two plays where they couldn't get an inch, in a game where they spent a lot of time not being able to get an inch on short yardage runs. Like that was a historic game situation where the Chiefs were stopping Josh Allen and the Bills in short yardage situations an inordinate number of times. That's not a normal thing that you saw on consecutive plays. The decisions being made, and I don't know how much this is being talked about today,

because now when the Chiefs win, everyone starts talking about every one penalty, every one call, how it is their favorite, how it is in the last 12 games, the other team always has more penalties they do, how it is on that fourth and five play that there was a flag on the screen until Kincaid dropped the ball, and then that flag was gone, nevermind, we don't know what that call was, but I'm sure that it's just that call is

the Chiefs go directly to the Super Bowl. The flag is just a referee comes up and accidentally says in front of everybody, I'm sorry, Bills, you've been eliminated. This flag means the Chiefs and Taylor Swift get to play Philadelphia in the Super Bowl. It's how it's being received. Do you or do you not see the stupidity

in doing the measurements that way where it's two guys, linemen running, linemen running at each other and they both got their foot in a different spot and that's how we're gonna spot the football. I mean, I'm not sure. The stupidity that I see is the Bills coach running the same exact fourth down play

that he ran four plays before. That's the stupidity that I see. I mean, seriously, that's a big moment. As you pointed out, they're up by a point. They're on the road. They're trying to put the two time Super Bowl champions away. That's what you... And you have to get that.

Patrick Mahomes always gets that. And Josh Allen doesn't always get that. Can you question the way they're marking the football? Of course, but that's the way they've been doing it forever. But he got it. Well... But he didn't. I want to know the conversation.

When these two line judges are running at each other, and they're two long two yards apart Do they just have a debate like not and I got this one. No, I promise I saw it. No Frank I'm telling you I saw it. It's right here Made one Frank, huh? Yeah, they gotta be a Frank. We have a fine situation You mentioned London Fletcher and it confused everybody wasn't that much Venmo fine bucket. Yeah, how much do I owe? I already messed up. So that goes to the Venmo fine bucket.

Yeah, how much do I owe? I don't have those. Is that a name wrong or a mistake? If London said it, it would have meant more. Unfortunately, it wasn't. It was Ben Lieber. It means nothing. I think it was.

It was also not Ben Lieber. Ooh, that's two fines. Is that two fines? Was it Pete Bertritch? Yeah. Okay. Notre Dame linebacker. Oh, we played linebacker.

It's not cash anymore, Stugats. Yeah, I gotta do the QR code. Is it opposite to you? I gotta do something. Michael, show me how. Ben Lieberber that's two dollars hmm Mike you're gonna have to come we got a QR code it's so easy guys Venmo is very easy to use you guys know how to do it stop making it seem like it's not easy if you go if you go into your transaction history you know the account so you can just send it

okay yeah there you go just two clicks boom boom it's done who is keeping an eye on whether Stugatz is paying these fines or not, or whether he is just faking his way through pretending to pay the fines? I'm watching the line. I feel like we're being watchdogs right now. Mm-hmm. Keep an eye on that line.

Let's see how much that moves during the course of the week. You guys say that the Chiefs, you should not bet against Patrick Mahomesomes but uh... all season long i have seen uh... chiefs lines that are super small including in that game last night where they told you the money told you if that games played on a neutral field the money says buffalo's better that buffalo is the better team because the home field is it is a three-point advantage. And pretty consistently, people walk away

from betting against or doubting Patrick Mahomes with the feeling of, why did I do that? Why was I such an idiot that I would think this is the year that they were vulnerable? They are inevitable because they're not just always gonna make the right plays. They're not just always gonna, on both sides of the ball, do what they have to do to win the game.

But also, they got the friendly whistle, too. And they've had it for like seven years. It's just a bummer. Just one time, I want them to get screwed. Well, they did a couple years ago. It was the right call, and Patrick Longs didn't shut up about it. Yes, right.

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