The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Stand Out of the Way, Here Comes OKC

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

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Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadowing it. Shadowing it. So Stugatz came in here just a bit bewildered. He asked me correctly. It's the correct question to ask. Is Greg Cody in today?

Mm-hmm. There's no proof of it. It's Tuesday. Ever since he said he's very punctual and never late, he hasn't been on time since. Mm-hmm. It's bad traffic out there, man. Understood, but everyone else got here on time.

Yeah, it's true. Everyone but him got on time, and you came from further through that bad traffic says low is here heroically what i do what is the reaction to zaslow as as low as the inundated our playoff coverage he won a giant bet and so he's around as much as he'd like to be with great riches in reward as he climbs the ladder dsp in radio

what mike has the reaction to zaslow have, what's it been? People like Zaslow. Nice. Congratulations, Zaslow. I did not know and think that that would be- Thanks everyone. Thanks everyone. Yes.

It's nice. So we've got a Panther fan here. I don't actually check the internet. Guessing. What kind of spot is that? Freaking hate you, pal. I don't, I don't. I mean, you suck.

Don't check the Reddit. But seriously, don't. I have simply avoided all commentary, and so I was asking with genuine curiosity, what is the reaction to Zaslav? I mean, we've been around for 20 years. I don't care. Okay, fair enough.

I think it's all right. Everyone's got an opinion. It's the kind of- We're the type of show that just will cater to one comment and be like, god damn it, we can't get it right. My father will go on father will go on Google. Hey, hey, you know, I googled your name to them Oh, don't do that Consensus opinion here again Mike. I wasn't asking for a consensus opinion. I was asking you to tell me what the reaction He didn't tell me the truth some mentions, I don't know like

Engagement is difficult on social media these days. I don't know what's what, like, but people generally like Zazz. Greg's here. Yes, Greg is walking in late again. If you like Zazz, type one in the chat box. For what it's worth, my buddy Kevin loves Zazz. Uh, thank you, Tony. That is it.

Bring up the chat box so I can see all them ones. Mike, you sound super defensive, and all I asked, all I asked was a question. Hey, yes and, is what I did. Mike, stop interrupting me, God almighty. Just God almighty, stop interrupting me for a second. I asked you a question. I had a long weekend on a Tuesday. I'm here, man.

I asked you, congratulations on being here. He just showed up. Don't direct your frustration on me. Greg just sauntered in. No, he showed up, but did so with the courtesy of not lying to me when I asked him my first question. He just remained silent and then made a bunch of noise putting his things on the floor. Leave the lying to me. So, what do people think about Zaslow?

They like him. Nice. Anybody else have an opinion? A lot of ones in the chat. Let's get the look at that look at all them ones. Cody have you seen any of the reaction to Zaslow around here? What is the what is the reaction been to Zaslow? I don't know I'm asking with genuine curiosity. You think Cody knows? You mean my reaction or general reaction? Well not everybody likes Zaslow that of course they don't I Mean why would they know I'm kidding as you know that I love you like a pet And why would you say that you're kidding there? You're not you know he's when you say pet yeah

What do you mean by that just an old saying he's been saying for 50 years. He's not updated It doesn't call farts pets. Yeah, I do you know that's open to interpretation That's why I was trying to interpretate it. Thank you, Tony. I love them more. So do you love them like a fart or like jumping Charlie? What do you like them? Tony, this is...

Put the microphone in front of your mouth. I know. This is the Dan LeVittor Show with the Stugatz Podcast. So among Stugatz' discombobulations is that he came in here today and Kristen said congratulations to all and Stugats said on what and then she said on your sports Emmy. Hmm. And. GBF, huh? No, not GBF.

Then Stugat's asked because he can be sometimes in his own little compartment far away from the real world in a sphere on acid. And when he asked the question, what did we win a sports Emmy for? I looked at him and I wondered how many guesses I would have to give him before he came upon what medal arc made

that would have won a sports Emmy. Don't look it up. I see. I'm typing in a password. That's all I'm doing. All right, I don't trust you. Keep your sausage fingers away from the evidence. Any data collection will be used against you.

I didn't lie to you pregame. I mean, I didn i mean i'm really only one who didn't lie to me in the pregame well you were the only one do you know how do you know lonely it is to have stood out next to me is the most honest man in the room please stop typing with those fat fingers i'm typing in a password look now's when you need information will gmail password on twenty years without retaining any information you don't need some right now uh... what do you think we want to sports me for who the greg kody show with greg kody thank you

not about time that's incorrect i will say that that i did enjoy watching on you too i encourage you to watch the greg kody show with greg kody which is produced very well the star the producers on that show yeti and his son do a very good job of contrary on from greg kody the best greg kody thank you the greg kody who is dismissed by his son

his son plays the loser who is too hard on him and greg gets to win because he just barrels right through all of his son's insults with an alarming amount of unfunny that then becomes funny because of how yeti and chris are producing thank you all right so it was in the greg cody show with greg cody the hockey show well yeah bellamy's got that going on that is smoking hot the hockey show so far you've just named to podcast Not knowing an Emmy is I don't think he knows what metal art makes either

Like I don't I think we can cheat come in. I think we can have him keep guessing annoyed I think we can have him keep guessing and not get a correct answer, but I don't think we've celebrated enough. We don't get Sports Emmys around here note dan patrick's been wanting begging to win a sports emmys the entire time he shows been on the air begging we want to sports emmys to got to be used to can you stop typing please password gmail what did we win a sports any for that soccer documentary we made

those several years ago. Oh. The one with Grant Wall? Yes. Yeah, good rivals. That was good. Yeah, it was, but it did not win the Sports Emmy. Getting closer though.

Right. We made another movie, that much I know. OK, which one was that? Did we make two? We made few movies. We got a Dart movie in the UK, but that didn't win a sports Emmy either here or in the UK. A Dart movie? It's a great movie. It's a great movie.

That's interesting. It should win a sports Emmy. It did not win a sports Emmy. But now all you have to do is correctly name a third movie that Metal Arch Media has made and no one believes you can do it. There was the Red Sox movie. That's the one. It's not the name of it. That's ours, right? That is ours.

They were down 3-0, they came back, they won it, they won the World Series, that whole thing. What's the name of the movie? Spoiler alert. Oh wow. You don't know the name of the movie? Oh, the Sox. I don't know how to do it.

You're half right. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I have a- Twist it from the bottom, Dan. I have confetti on twisting and it just broke apart. The socks I don't know how to your half right I Have twisted from the bottom. I have to tell you I'm twisting and it just broke apart I was I was trying to do a confetti go ahead and do your own confetti We've got broken confetti look at this all we have is that congratulations said confetti Yes to metal arc media there. It is the that is the height of entertainment, the height of production. We have four of seven confetti makers work and function. Congratulations to Metal Arc Media. A salt and pepper shaker.

What is this? That's exactly what it looks like. For winning a prestigious sports Emmy. I wanna talk about a number of things today, but I wanna begin with the Florida Panthers. And i want to ask uh... panther fans mike ryan roy and says low if michael outreinhart and greer that important that the panthers look totally incompetent as soon as they lose their depth and lose for the first time

to that group of losers from carolina i can't believe the carolina panthers before yesterday but care the carolina hurricanes excuse me before yesterday i can't believe the Carolina Panthers before yesterday. Carolina Hurricanes, excuse me. Before yesterday, I can't believe that they had lost 15 straight conference finals games, which is an epic, epic way to be a loser. Well, Sam Reinhardt not being in the lineup, that affects your offense, your defense, your power play, and your penalty kill. And the power play went 0 for 4.

So yeah, that definitely affected things. And the way that Nico Michal has been playing lately, he's been joining in on the offense that affects your offense and your defense too. Did you hear them say who scored the game winning goal in the last time the Hurricanes won a conference finals? Rod Brindamore! Yep, how about that? Well I've got a couple of questions for you guys because after carolina lost game three i thought bring the more sounded as broken as any coach i've heard who have

still had games to play i thought the comments coming out of the panther locker room was were interesting when they went up three oh and i didn't believe what they were saying i didn't believe what march and said and i didn't believe what palm re said palm re said in game three didn't believe what they were saying i didn't believe what march and said and i didn't believe what paul marie said paul marie said in game three would break any man

coaching who had lost fourteen straight conference finals games to be in a game on the road trying to save your season and have the panthers hit you with that on slot in the third period of five goals in your face. Bryndamore, when asked if his team was fragile, said, I don't know.

And it was like the fifth most broken comment that he made. Bryndamore, who I don't think of as ever broken, but for reasons that would be understandable, the Panthers would break him. Marchand said, after going up 3-0, we're preparing as if this is going to go 7. And Paul Maurice said in the game that was 6-2 in game 3, he said I had a second piece of gum ready because I was prepared to go double overtime. And I just think these people are lying. I don't believe that's the actual mindset of this team. I think it's a good thing to say. I don't believe that they don't believe that they own the Carolina the Carolina hurricane. Well, you know, the we expect seven game series. That's the that's the panther mantra that they say before every series. But I give Paul Murray's credit. He

spent the first three games of that series saying, this is closer than the score makes it seem. And your friend the media and most fans were just like, three nothing, 16 to 4 combined score, Carolina's got no shot. Well, Paul Maurice won, media nothing. He was right, it's been closer than the score seems. and Carolina last night I thought I mean Florida played terribly, but Carolina was the team We thought it would be hold on a second though. Don't say it's been closer that last year series was closer Maybe than it looked no one That was the sweep that wasn't a sweep. Yeah, yeah, the non sweep. Yes

That Brynda Moore claimed wasn't a sweep that was right closer than this has been. You're up 3-0, you outscored him 16-4. I mean, it's not close. It's not just that. They're great at the penalty kill, and in the first three games of that series, they have not been, because Florida's done whatever it's wanted to against them, and then Florida wins the way that it always wins,

by ransacking you in the third. Carolina's first lead in the entire series. So Carolina is certainly a lot more comfortable with the lead, allows them to play. Certainly the injury is there. And if you want to nitpick about one thing about this Panther run, they have struggled to put teams away at home when they have the opportunity

to eliminate them. So I think in that locker room, you're hearing a team that was up 3-0 against the Edmonton Oilers and almost blew that. You're hearing a team that lost an opportunity to win in six at home against Serrano and had to go on the road for a game seven. They've missed opportunities in this run. They've usually bounced back, but you got to think that that starts playing with their heads a little bit. I thought we were uncharacteristically sloppy last night too, really from the get-go. Like we weren't sharp. I don't think the Panthers played terrible

last night, but they were sloppy really from the get-go. Kachuk, I mean, two passes, Kachuk made terrible, including giving us zero chance with the empty net. That really, it's one of my biggest pet peeves in all of sports. When you pull the goalie, and the other team scores immediately, so you never even get a chance with the extra skater, and that's what happened last night. Kachuk just gave the puck away.

We had no chance. There was so much time, it was like two and a half minutes left. Bad, lazy giveaway and a half minutes left. Bad lazy giveaway at the opposing blue line. Kachuk is good for those turnovers occasionally. He got excited. Was it game two where he played really well and he thought, oh, Kachuk might be back, but he's still not right.

He's still not moving well. He's going to be able to deliver something on that power play, especially when he gets behind the net in his happy place. But he's always looking for Reinhardt in that high slide. He doesn't have Reinhardt there, which might attribute to the power play struggles that they had. And Barkov too, by the way, last night.

Two point Blake chances. And he got sat down by Slavin. Slavin was in his, in the camp. It was more about Carolina, like both those times that Barkov had the puck, he was looking to go to that backhand and go top shelf on the glove side, which is his move, and he got it poked away each time.

Like, Carolina's defense was really good last night. I think it was an intentional tank. Because if you all of a sudden, you look at the schedule, if they would have swept, you would have had an 11-day layoff for the Cats going into the Stanley Cup final. So it's like, maybe look around and say, you know what, we could sit a couple guys, try to get healthy, and then not have a living. You guys do something with health that I think is interesting and unfair, okay?

I understand that Kachuk is out there, and so if you're out there, your performance is gonna be subject to criticism. But if all of us are watching, and we know that he was injured playing for his country in the middle of the year, then got rested and came back and looked like he had months of rest because his body has taken an- his body, smaller than a good amount of the bodies that are out there with him, has taken an

unholy beating over the last few years playing injured during this time of year. He's obvious to the eye, not right, because something's physically wrong. Why doesn't it buy him anything? Why, as the person this important to the team, as the person at the center of a team that's winning, but not right now because of him, why doesn't it buy it something with all of you that you know he's hurt and his performance doesn't match what it would if he weren't hurt. Well what is the definition of buy him something? Like what is it not buying him? We're not sitting here mother effing him. No it bought him us saying he's not the same player but also we revisited

game two where even though his speed wasn't the same he dominated that game at multiple points. He was the best forward the first star that night So he's shown you that he can play well. No one's crushing him. And we're not talking like his injury. Well Dan's saying it should buy him no criticism. That's what he said. His injury affects his straight line speed, his agility. The problem that we had with him last night

was the sloppy, sloppiness with the puck. Yeah, that has nothing to do with being injured. Him giving the puck away without looking at the blue line, that has nothing to do with anything. I'm just saying that any performance that is poor would be mitigated or diluted by anybody playing hurt. And so whatever it is that he's giving you, I would think that a fan base that has now grown accustomed

to winning at least part because he's at the center of your team has to be good with whatever it gets from a guy that they're throwing out there when he's a percentage of what he normally is. I don't understand what the take is. Like, we mentioned that he's hurt. That's what, that buys him. Two Stanley Cups ago, where he came back

and had a game-winning point in the one win that they had against Vegas, when his body went through what is tantamount to a car accident, it bought him a lot. Look at gutsy Matthew Kachuk over there, that's legend building stuff. But if he's out there on the ice, a lot of people are hurt. And if you're sloppy with the puck and you're hurting your team, you don't show up wearing all black for a funeral and play your worst game of the season. I don't think anybody's down on

Kachuk, but I will say I really admire Paul Maurice. I think he on commonly uh... honest coach who is extremely thoughtful in his answers and he admitted earlier in this series i think it was that through the through most of the tampa series kachak was not himself he was still trying to totally recover and find his game but now he is according to his head coach i trust that i did is is he a hundred percent no nobody is this time of year, blah, blah, blah. But I think

Kachuk is himself. And like you said, Zaz, I don't think the turnovers and the giveaways can be forgiven on not being 100% healthy. And Zaz, the Panthers are winning different ways this year, but if you look at their last conference championship series against Carolina, and you look at that Matthew Kachuk versus this Matthew Kachuk. Thankfully the Panthers haven't needed him. They barely needed Sam Reinhardt out there. But Matthew Kachuk was bossing that series against Carolina the last time out.

Totally different Matthew Kachuk. It may be because of the team, but also might be because of that health. Bunch of hockey players in here, Dan. It is always interesting to me when we think we're tougher than the people out there and when Mike says he doesn't understand the criticism, what I would say is my criticism

of what it is we generally do this time of year is, if you win, we celebrate you, and if you lose and it might be because you're injured, we don't care that it might be because you're injured. And last night they lost because they're injured. And last night they lost because they're injured. Like last night they lost, right? Reinhardt kinda mattered. Look, zero goals, zero goals when I've seen

what that team does. Not only what they do on the power play, what they've done to ransack that Carolina team through the first three games, then what that Carolina team does better than anyone is if they're penalty killing you're not scoring on them. They came into this series being exceptional at that and Florida neutered them and to me this is a funny thing to say right because of what happened immediately afterward.

I thought that series ended when Carolinaolina had a five-minute power play and then florida's and florida had the best chance during that five minute power play short-handed and then right after that florida got on the power play however i can't say that because carolina immediately tied the score and so i can't say that the series ended there when carolina then tied the

series and what florida did in the third period is what Florida does. And this is this is Jalen Brunson land right when you have the thing that everyone in the sport envies. In the third they're gonna hit you in the face with five goals and you're never gonna hit them in the face with five goals. Because you can criticize the Panther play all you want against that defense. They've scored a bunch of goals. And I wasn't expecting that. Even if Carolina's owned, even if Carolina plays poorly in the conference finals, 15 straight games, I still don't expect them to allow six goals. And I don't expect them to two games in say, we're going to change the vibe and our goalie. Nevermind. We're

scared about everything happening here. Greg, is it fair to say that this is all an overthink? I mean, nobody beats a Carolina Hurricanes 16 games in a row. Everybody knows that's very tough. It's very difficult to do in the Eastern Conference Finals. You had a team who's a good team, who's season was on the line, who wants to finally win for their head coach

in the Conference Final. Who was due? They were in a rock fight. That was one-zero until Kachuk makes that sloppy play. 15 is one thing. 16 is a whole different ballgame. Whole different ballgame. Yeah.

It was a team of looking to avoid being swept. And they answered the bell such that it was. Yeah, I don't think last night was a huge surprise. And I'll say that it was an anomaly what was happening, what we'd seen. Florida had scored five or more goals in four straight playoff games, only the fourth team in the last 30 years to do that. Go on.

Extraordinary. And during the regular season, this was not one of the highest scoring teams in the league. So I think for them to struggle a game when Carolina was playing for its life is not a huge shock. It's hockey, hockey being hockey. That's it. I mean, I'm not, I don't want to overreact to this loss. Right? They can come back in Carolina in a couple of days and win that game and nobody's going to be surprised.

Nobody. Put it on the poll at LeBotard show. Is it very hard to beat the Carolina hurricane 16 times in a row? I do like the push and pull of Greg saying I don't think we should overreact. No one here is overreacting. Well, it seems like you are. It's there. There is there is there is what tell me. Go ahead. Tell me what my overreaction

seems like a concern. That's not not. Tell me what my own. Please tell me what my overreaction is. Give me a sentence that would suggest I'm overreacting to anything because there's nothing to tap the brakes on here. I'm simply taking the result from last night and talking about it. There is... I think it's fair to say you're overreacting to our criticisms of Matthew Kachuck,

which are totally valid. We know how tough he is. He's bought a lot with his audience. You can say that he had a bad game and acknowledge that he's injured They may be that may be a contributing factor, but he's out there on the ice You'll be the first to tell you everyone's hurt this time of year I mean the Stanley Cuff final versus biggest should be enough to buy him that you know that favorite

Robility there. This is what I would say to you guys because it's not an overreaction He's pointing at you because of how well you said that Roy. That's why I was pointing at you Yeah, well, I'm just interrupting people. That's well you said that really that's why i was pointing at you that's why i'm just interrupting people that's all you said uh... it's an overreaction i say it is just a reaction and what i'm also saying about kachak specifically is when mike says everyone's banged up on that this time of year not so overtly that i can see the difference between them being a good player and then not looking right like it's usually not quite that overt where it's like all I don't recognize the person anymore

because he's obviously hurt. Usually it's not quite that overt. No, he's clearly still hurt. And there were times during this playoffs where he was just a body out there. But his skill set offensively is him being in front of the crease, him getting rebounds.

Hold on, let me push back for a second. Yeah, I think Kocuk is probably not 100%, but Mikala and Greer were essentially game time decisions yesterday. And it really feels like they were sat down because we're up the Rio, let's make sure they're okay. So if Kachuk is really hurt, why hasn't he been sat for a game

like these guys? It's an excellent point, Dan. They have a really good winger that's not dressing for games in Mackie. They've shown how deep they are. Jesper Boquist goes from not dressing to being on the first line with Reinhardt. It's never even been a consideration for Kachuk to say.

By the way, that is absolutely what's happening with Reinhardt. If the Florida Panthers were facing elimination, Sam Reinhardt would give it a go. But the Panthers decided, we're kind of having an easy time with this opponent right here, let's save him. That's exactly right, because Maurice said of Reinhardt, he hasn't been cleared and he hasn't been ruled out. He could have played last night if they're in a closer series. They're up 3-1.

Yeah, if you guys say though, if you got nothing? We're talking about the game last night What are we doing is we're talking about talking about hot? I mean there's Stanley Cup third straight season. Let's celebrate it still got you We only talk about the game if it goes to game seven Let me stop all of you when you say easy time Well, the coach just told me he's preparing for seven or I'm sorry Marshawn said he's preparing for seven It's the coaches well the coach just told me he's preparing for seven or i'm sorry marshall said he's preparing for seven it's the coaches message the coach always trouble but you say always but not in gesture if he's sitting reinhardt right now but that's the panthers mantra though be in back me up

or before every series on the panthers are quick thing go on with the series they're like we prepare for seven games. That's just the Panther's mantra. It's nothing new about this series. That's what they say. That's what they do. I get that, and it's their mantra, but it is a lie when they sit Reinhardt and give away a game.

It's not a lie. If anything, they're encouraging seven games by sitting. It should be noted, they sat him for they're encouraging seven games by sitting them. It should be noted, they sat him for game three, and they won that game. Their decision was rewarded. I can't believe that that hit resulted in someone just being day-to-day. Is anybody making the joke, the dad joke, as celebrated on the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody? Sure. Is anyone making the joke about Sebastian calling him an ajo

because of what he did to Reinhardt? That the retaliation came on Sebastian because he was clearly an ajo. No one's making that joke? No, I don't know. Why would they make that joke? It's a terrible joke. You knew he would show up for that empty net. Sebastian Ajo, one of the great frauds in that sport. You knew at 6'1", that dude was gonna be pin hunting. Oh, and it was such a charity goal that he was past the puck in front of the net. Why didn't the other guy should,

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Okay, because I don't want there to be any kind of confusion. You look me right in the eye. Panthers can take that ass, man. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugarts. No one's making that joke. It's a terrible joke. But I will say that the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody has a weekly dad

joke that is aggressively bad. And it's more like a granddad joke. I feel like. No, they're good jokes. They're terrible every time every single time they're terrible I mean dad jokes are always terrible aren't by definition put on the pole at LeBotard show aren't by definition dad jokes always terrible. They're so good they're they're so bad that they're good that's the way I look at them, right?

You know, you can grow you can groan and smile at the same time Am I right for example? What does the custodian say when he suddenly comes out of the supply closet you blew that joke? I know I really did the setup was bad supplies I know I really did the setup was bad supplies Surprise Supplies lies party. Yeah again, I was going from memory Which if you're a granddad makes the jokes a little harder because you're telling granddad jokes, they're not even dad jokes They're another level of bad. That's true. There's no such thing as granddad jokes. Those haven't been invented

Yeah, and and yours is going that phrase. We write that down yours are so bad that they're granddad Yeah, but they're cute and the grandkids love them. Like my dad says every time he takes us out for dinner He says as the you know as he's looking over the the bill He says what we do break a window my kids are expecting it and they still laugh. I still laugh. He's been saying it for 40 years. Yes, I've been saying that for like 25 years. Yeah. I credit your dad for that.

You got it. You should. By the way, my granddaughter's graduation from grade school today, second grade. It's big. Not everybody graduates from second grade. There's a lot of first grade dropouts. So we're very proud of her for graduating.

Didn't mean to derail your show there. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did, with your self-involvement and your narcissism. Yeah, well you brought up granddad. You know, proud to be a granddad. Any other granddads here? No. No?

Nope. Pat Riley, he's a granddad. He is, yeah, and he's here. That's a cardboard cut a granddad. He is. Yeah. And he's here. That's a cardboard cutout. Oh, it is? Not so lifelike. I'm not wrong that dad jokes by definition are bad, right?

He makes the clarification that they're so bad that they're good. That's why they're dad jokes. But they are always bad. They're not good jokes on the front. I think they are. I think some of them are very clever. Not the one that I bungled a minute ago, but generally speaking there, if I could remember any of the others, I'd recite another one.

I'm going to move on to basketball things because I want to get Stugatz's thoughts on all things Knicks-Pasers as the Knicks saved their season in a surprising way. But before I do that, I wanted to go back to just Saturday night for a second when I'm watching the start of Minnesota OKC. And Richard Jefferson had the audacity in the intro of that game to say OKC and Minnesota OKC was up to nothing. Quote, both teams are literally playing for their lives. End quote. Which not only are they not doing it literally, obviously, more people would have been watching if it had been literal. I gave for your life, but it ain't a story.

Nor were they doing it metaphorically or in any other way because that's not a thing that can happen when the series is 2-0. What he said made no sense whatsoever. Tony, you're shrugging your shoulder. You know how it is, Dan. You're live on air. All of a sudden, something comes out. You're like, I wish I didn't say that. Oh, I got a rebound.

No, no. Be better. Come on. You're previewing the game. I don't love him on the first team, by the way. I just wanted to say that. I don't love Richard Jefferson on the first team. That's terrible.

You can analyze and criticize any announcer for any one sentence, but that sentence is especially asinine. What kind of number you think that game would get if they were playing for their lives? Highest rated game in the history of games. It'd be huge, like MASH, right? A game for your life? Like it would rival MASH's rating in their final show, right? It would be better. You have to play it in a Coliseum, not on a court. You're right. Yeah, it would be like the running man. I think people would tune out during the pregame.

You think that- But the post game. I think people would tune in and be like, all right, two teams playing for their lives. I'm like, is that the dude that used to run the, I can't do it with this show. They also never get it right. They're dying their hair on that, Deas.

I think that the reaction to that show would make it so that Richard Jefferson shouting that would make it spectacle and even better. We'd be amazed. We'd be amazed, but what a weird thing to have happen. The first ever game for your actual life in the Western Conference Finals, and it's the third game. First two are free the third game. It's just...

First two are free, third one. Really, imagine the stakes on a game seven. If we're making me playing for my life a television spectacle, do not invite Bob Myers. Just don't. I don't want him there. I don't need his insight. Don't want him there. What are the stakes for a game seven? My exact point on that game is the following. Having now seen that game and the way that Richard Jefferson described it beforehand, it is a game that literally no one involved will ever remember, which is not something that would have been the case if they had literally been playing for their lives. Now having seen the result, Minnesota dragged OKC means nothing.

Means absolutely nothing. Minnesota is now finished. OKC will win the title. If they do not get hurt, OKC will win the title. They're a good deal better than everyone else. Or if they play the Knicks. Well, tell us now how are your feelings, Dugats. We're back. I'd like to know how you felt beginning that fourth quarter and I'd like to know how you felt about Carl Anthony Towns entering that fourth quarter.

I was thinking, to be honest, Dan, I was firing Thibodeau at halftime. I was thinking of ways we can get rid of Carl Anthony Towns and now I'm considering putting him in my top five Knicks of all time. I mean, that's how big he was in that fourth quarter. It's, listen, I was upset after game one. I know you wanted my tears.

I didn't give you my tears. I was really upset after game two. To lose two games at home, you're thinking to yourselves, we have no shot of winning this series, and perhaps we won't win this series, but at least we have a chance, and at least we have another game at the Mecca in New York City. So we

bring this series home. I am I'm very optimistic. I feel like the Knicks have the better team. I really, really do. I am tired of the Pacers and their fan base and Reggie Miller. I'm tired of all of it. All of it. The thing that you said about you were upset after game one i actually sent out to some math friends of mine and some people who really know the history of basketball and i asked them if haliburton took that shot right ten thousand times new how many times does it do what it did? And the consensus was zero. The consensus was.

Amongst your math friends. Uh huh, my friends. Who has math friends? I mean. Dorks. Nerds. Right. The empirical data people who crunch the numbers

on sports a little bit better than you two do. Math friends. You see how we added empirical to make his math dorks more impressive? Hedge fund friends. Hedge fund empirical analytics. Hedge fund wise. I hear.

What a lame friend. And by the way, that sounds like a guess. Zero times. Sounds like a guess. How about this, shooter's touch? Yeah. That's a math. There is that.

How do you like that one? Caber sure with an abacus. Back to that. Put it on the poll, put it at LeBataar's show. Shooter's touch is that math. Because Stugatz just said shooter's touch, that's the math. I like Tony agreed.

And again, I will say, I was trying to support Stugatz's point when he says, I think the Knicks are the better team. They're that close from being up two-one. And instead of their season being a quarter from done, the Knicks are a zero in 10,000 tries because a few of my math friends then called a cooler friend, Kevin Harlan,

who then said he had never seen a ball go in after going that high after bouncing on the rim in all of his time covering basketball, all the games he's ever done. He's called a lot of games. That's analysis right there. That's the kind of math I've looked for. I'm ready with that, Dan.

Not math friends. I think you could have done it again. What about all the bravado from Sue Gotts? Like we have the better team. Yeah, they're this close from being up 2-1 in that series. They're also this close from being down 3-0. That was a game, they saved their season with another 20 point rally.

That's not hugely inspiring to me. It's great that they fought to save their season because then this series would have been done and dusted, but the confidence oozing from you is a little perplexing. Well, I spoke to my math friends as well and they told me we should be up two one right now. So I'm feeling pretty good about my chances. I mean, I am.

I don't believe that Stugatz is a- Has a math friend? A teller of truth, or has a math friend. I believe that he's gonna go bravado on the Knicks until they lose, and then he will not show us his hurt. I believe that Stugatz has been concealing what is his real met- Well, it depends how they lose, Dan.

If they lose a heartbreaking seventh game, or if they're up in game six and they have a shot to bring it back to Madison Square Garden, I'm going to be crushed. Like, you will get my tears. But right now, I do feel like we have the better team, and I do feel like we're still very much in the series, of course.

But what I'm saying to you is, you did lose game one that way, and you pretended like it didn't bother you. But it was one game. That happens at a game six or a game seven. I'm crushed. Like crushed. OK, it is one game, but it was the one game that made it

so that you'd be sitting here today saying, I still feel like we're the better team, even though you're one quarter from being down 3-0. Like, you're, you're, you're, you're. I'm also a bad shot away from being down 3-0. Like you're- I'm also a bad shot away from being up 2-1. Like a really bad shot. Like a terrible decision. Perhaps the worst decision in the history of the NBA and somehow we're celebrating Halliburton,

please. One of the decisions that my math friends say is a zero in ten thousand chance of happening again. How does he know? That's ridiculous to say that. I mean you have better than a zero in ten thousand chance to win the lottery. You know you can't say, mathematically you always say well you got one chance because shit happens. But I also think it's fair to say that the two East teams are playing for the right to

get smoked by Oakey saying the final What we're seeing here is SGA justifying his MVP award We're seeing the face of the league emerging and we're seeing a budding dynasty The seed has been planted for a thunder dynasty young team. They're gonna be better in three years Stand out of the way. Here comes. Okay see It's stand out of the way how you say that get out of the way, here comes OKC. Is stand out of the way how you say that? It's get out of the way. I don't think stand out of the way. Stand out of the way?

Is it get out of the way? Stand aside, I think. I think you're mixing a couple of phrases there. You were trying to punctuate it. I don't know why you want to... Stand out of the way. Let me think about that. You know, you could be right.

Thank you. Yeah. What should it have been, though could be right. Thank you. Yeah. What should it have been, though? Get out of the way. Move out of the way. Because if you're standing... Stand back. Stand back.

Stand aside. Step aside. Stand back. Jack would have worked. Stand back, Jack. But stand out of the way is... Well, I feel like I just invented a phrase that's not going to take root in the lexicon. You're welcome.

Has Dorchard Chamber taken... That's a good name. That's a good one. No, first of all, Lou Dort is a terrible name for an athlete. Lou Dort doesn't work. Two quick syllables, scores six points a game, gives you defense. Lou Dort intimidates no one, but now I make it, I'm going to wrap you in the Dortcher chamber? That's a totally different thing. dorsure chamber. That's a totally different guy. You got me. You got me. Yeah, that's a different guy. That's a different shirt, right?

When he says of OKC, see, he's not wrong about this, but let's go back for a second, when we hyperventilate in the moment, let's go back for a second when OKC is trading Paul George so that Kawhi Leonard and him can be with the Clippers. Let's just go back there real quick and get all the analysis that said, hey, in a few years, OKC is gonna be a dynasty.

God, let's get, where was that? Where was that in any of the analysis? I know OKC got a bunch of draft picks and it allows them to totally rig the game. And this is how they rig it. They lock up young players in a city they don't want to be in for a long time. SGA would be out of there in a minute, if he could be,

but he's gotta stay there for a long time because they've gamed the system and this is how they do it. With a dumbass draft, they take players who would have freedom with those talents anywhere in the world in capitalism and say, you've gotta live in a place you hate. And it's tiny and small and you've gotta live there for seven years.

That's how they're gonna make it a dynasty by totally gaming the math. I've asked my math friends. They gave them math and OKC, where was the analysis? That's going to be a dynasty in a few years, because they weren't saying about Danny Ainge for collecting all the draft picks either. And Danny Ainge collected plenty of draft picks.

And that's not what they were saying. They were getting tired of him not trading any of those draft picks. Who had OKC winning the Paul George-Kawhio enter trade with not just a championship, and I saw it just now on Get Up, and Greg just said it? Dynasty!