The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Debate Lives On

Episode Date: August 31, 2023

David Samson joins Dan, Amin, and the Shipping Container for his weekly Thursday Local Hour. David touches on David Robertson blowing games, the Rays plate approach, the Cardinals tank, and a legendary Will McDonough fight. Then, Amin sets a world record for apologies by a sports debater while explaining the current NBA Referee scandal. Plus, is this the end of Marino-Montana as we know it?!?!? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunlabel Tarshall with the Stugat's Podcast. Why? I mean, did I just hear you whisper into my griffon? I don't even know who you were talking to. We've got a black one today. Hey! And we are cooking! David Sampson has went this here and- On the opposite. I want you to put it on the pole. Is David Sampson the opposite

of a black guy? I want to talk about whether or not David Robertson has now entered the pantheon of most hated local sports people. He got here and so quickly has torched their season. This is a very good picture that a lot of people want it and it keeps blowing things last night. They, one of the best hitting teams I've ever seen in play discipline was getting no hit. And then David Robertson just comes into the game at the end and is terrible. You know his ERA is three full runs higher than Heath Bells was as a Marlin. Okay, and this allows us to bring in David Samson and talk about unpopular players in the history of this sports town because their season is unraveled

and they really did have a chance because everyone is so bad in that league after Atlanta and the Dodgers. What do you make, Dave, of the fact that everybody wanted this closer, most contenders would have wanted this guy the marlin's got him and it's been a disaster it was only a month ago when we were on this show saying what a great move by the marlins bringing in david robertson doing an intradivision trade they what a break that the mess are selling the marlins are buying everything's

coming up roses and then they realized that it was just David Robertson and that he was probably outperforming with the mets. And then when it mattered, he just wasn't able to do it. And the thing is, it still was a good trade. If you're a fan of the marlins, you want them to bring in Rodney. You want them to bring in Robertson.

You want them to try. It doesn't always work. So I'd love to blame Jeeter, although even this case I couldn't even. I'd love to blame Kim or Bruce or anybody, but I don't. I think it was a great move by the Marlins. Their offense was always suspect and when you've got Closers who are tight games and they've had such a great record in one run games, it's likely not sustainable, but it all feels like it's falling on Roberson's head and it really shouldn't. I wonder if you can explain something to me organizationally about the race because the plate discipline of that baseball team is something that is super uncommon. I cannot tell you, David, when that team, any player on it argues a call

on a ball and a strike, and then they go to the robot replay and show you the box, they're always right. The umpires are always wrong, and their players are always right. I've been watching it all season. Can that be taught? Can that kind of plate discipline be taught? I feel like you're speaking a bit in hyperbole. I'm not sure you've been watching the raise all season. David, I've watched no lie, 80 of their games. I'm telling you, I have not seen, I have not seen plate discipline like that. Fuck.

I'm sorry, give me one second, we can't go to break yet. You've watched 80 raise games. Yes. I don't know what to say because obviously that's gambling again. No one can prove you wrong, except one person and that's person's not me, but that's preposterous. That said, you can't change or absolutely in any way possibly teach an eye, but it is important to know whether or not your players have that eye and There are certain players under team and it's not all of them that when they argue balls and strikes You're gonna back them up and certain players when they argue balls and strikes You're not gonna back them up and that's the same with a replay

We would have a list of players who when they say they're safe at second We are gonna go to a challenge. But when other players say they're safe at second, we're going to just continue on because those players are delusional, they always think they're safe. So what the rays do better than any other team is that are willing to have 25 guys who no one's ever heard of. And that's something that we were never willing to do. We wanted names, we wanted brands. We thought that would help with attendance. We thought that would help with attendance,

we thought it would help with wins. But the rays are just more than happy to turn the roster, to have people come and go, and they always have another player who can throw 98. It really is an amazing job by the rays who are one of the most successful and hated teams by the union in the history of baseball. The Marlins always going after the big names.

I feel like we had plenty of rosters that no one knew anyone. No, which years? You know, we had Dan Ogla being a big Q rating guy. No, we had Dan Ogla backing up Pokey recipes. But he was a rule five guy, but Dan Ogla ended up being, he first year not a name, but the second year, his name is Ugly, people knew he was.

Salute, Poki. Tell me about what you see happening with the Arizona Cardinals. It seems like a preposterous mismanagement of their franchise in football that I'm sort of stunned by, David, because it wasn't but a year and a half ago that that team had the best record in football.

And since it's been an organizational calamity, what do you make of their latest controversy? Burner phones and secret contacts with executives who are supposed to be suspended. This is Roger Gidell's worst nightmare. There is a lawsuit going on between the former president of the team and the owner of the team and the NFL and it's gone all the way to arbitration where there are hearings and there are people under oath who are getting deposed which means you have to not lie and you have to say what actually happened and what this guy John McDonnell is trying to prove. I want to say Will McDonough, but I think it's John McDonough. Will maybe his father.

Will was a dad, yeah. Okay, so John is claiming that a lot of nefarious things took place and the one that was of the most interest is when there was a suspension because of a DIY or something that happened with the GM that somehow he body valentined it and was still involved. And the way he did that was through a burner phone and that the owner bid well was culpable in this.

So no one knew the truth until the former coach, the erstwhile fired coach, Steve Wilkes, takes the stand and says, by the way, I had a burner and I was told in the burner, here's the people I I can call one of them was the owner and one of them was The GM who you're not supposed to be able to speak to and the GM would call him and he was supposed to answer So you had this coach walking around with two phones It's hard to imagine it's a total violation of the rule and this is Macdonna not trying to get of the rule. And this is Macdonough not trying to get bidwell removed a la server. It's trying to get himself paid because he views his career have

has been cut short and he's lost money by the things that bidwell has said about Macdonough. It's a terrible he said she said so, Papara. But from Gidell standpoint, he has no choice but to discipline the Cardinals now, and that is something clearly that would not have happened had there been a settlement. So, bid well not willing to settle with Macdonough is going to cost him even more now because the truth has come out in these hearings. Chris Cody, can you look up from me please, they mentioned Will Macdonough, and I think I have this right. His father, I believe,

one time in the Patriots locker room knocked cold a Patriots player and left him hanging in a laundry hamper after hitting him like just drop I'm pretty sure that that was Wilmock Dunn. Really? Dunn was my size. Yeah Wilmock Dunn was a fear like in terms of his pen. Not physically. There was somebody there was somebody that reported on the Boston football Patriots who left I think was Raymond Clayborn in a laundry hamper because he

punched him in the mouth. I want to know but before the end of the segment I'd like to know if that was Will McDonough or not. I'm gonna guess it was it will McDonough. I'm gonna go with you and say man. Juju while we're here by the way because I meant to get to this yesterday and I Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha endorsing the style of David Samson. You were saying that he looks crisp and that shirt does look nice. Can you do a live spot for us on on his how you can get David Samson merch? My brother, he always looks crisp, by the way, but I know what you're thinking at home. Maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's Maybelline.

No, it's the David Samson collection t-shirts slash polos that he has right now available at David Samsung Podcast dot com. Get there, meet me there. No, do not meet me there. Beat me there. God, do you word. I gotta tell you the reason why I have not promoted it until now is that my deal with metallarchs said that you were in charge of my merchandise for 90 days. And if you didn't do anything in the first 90 days, then I get control of it and I get all the money from it. Got there. 90 days. You didn't do one goddamn thing. Nothing. And on day 91, I opened the merch store. David Simpson podcast dot com today. Jeremy, have you found anything on Wilmick Dunne? It happened September 9, 1979,

after the Patriots blew out the jets in 2008 Bruce Allen at Boston Sports Media Watch revisits the incident. After the game, Clayborn was snapping at writers and bumping into them on purpose. And legendary writer Wilmick Dunne of the Boston Globe took exception saying hey Ray there's no need to do that. Clayborn reacts by jabbing his finger into McDonough's face poking him in the eye McDonough then punched him twice knocking him into a laundry cart and taking down a number of people with him. You can just read the story, you know.

Nope, I can't. That was strangely a broadcasting affect that was a necessary that's a legendary fight is a theater kid come on ten wildest moments in sports history this is on true TV it's it's titled five of the best fights in Boston sports history and that's the name of the true TV show that made the top five a mean we have to apologize to Dan

I mean look we have to apologize to Dan. I mean, look, I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong, Dan. That's so hard for media members to say, congratulations, gentlemen, you mocked me and you were wrong. Will McDonough is a savage. I long for the day when a reporter could walk into a locker room. Can you imagine I walk in and Kristen Wilkins

is in a laundry hamper, because I've hit him in the face. That's the way it should be. I see. Who would you have hit, Dan? Nobody. I'm not. Why would I hit him? Why would I hit anybody?

There's gotta be someone who got you mad, but you thought that. No, I was scared of all of them. What are you kidding me? You're three times the size of Will. I am not three times the size of some of the people in the dolphins locker room That's true Can you guys?

Can you guys tell me whether you think that Jeremy is trying to get into the Chris Whittingham lane of Overannunciating broadcaster guy because Whittingham is climbed. He's climbing in the industry He's got a monster Mike. What's the game? He's got this is the biggest game he's ever called right? He is absolutely skyrocketing on rocket fuel to the top of the industry. He is getting a shot as lead voice for Paramount plus's Syria Aak coverage. He's got Roma versus AC Milan. That's Roman Lugaku's Roma debut Jose Mareño on the touch line. Policic killing it for AC Milan is a monster game. He's got. Did you not see by the way, Policic changed his pronunciation?

Was naming back down real quick over there in Europe. Like, maybe I guess it is. Policic. He was in Europe before. Don Lebertard. Oh, I like firing people. So I take the opportunity to fire whenever I possibly can, because I can use it as a learning experience for them and try to help them out and try to point out what they did wrong.

But in this case, the employee was enough levels below where I was that I did not do the firing, but I had it done within moments of discovery. I'm just like firing people. It's absurd. It's absurd. Still gots. I'm talking about people who I fire who deserve it, who have done something that actively requires me to fire them. It is my unadulterated pleasure to do so. This is the Don Lebertar Show with a Stugat.

We're presented by Draff King Spostbrook, one of America's top ratedrated Spurzburg apps. Draff King's has all kinds of ways to get in on the action including seeing game Paul A's, props, live betting, and so much more. You just go down when you sign up on a Dr. King Spurzburg app to check it out. I mean, you have talked a lot, and Tom Habersdrow, I think, is the nation's authority on some of the reported research coverage of NBA referees and how it is that it is easy for them to manipulate results. The Eric Lewis story where it appears that Eric Lewis is a big fan of the Celtics and there is photographic proof of him winsing when Jimmy Butler scores.

What do you make of the Eric Lewis story and what details do you think the audience needs on this that are most informative? So we talked about this when this story first broke, May, end of May, May 31st episode of basketball alumni called What About Bob. You can look it up because we interviewed the guy who exposed the actual burner account

and here the details of the particular their glues his family i believe is from new england his family are seltics fans there is no evidence that air glues is a seltic fan i know there's the picture of jimmy butler making the layup and him kind of rolling his eyes or whatever but there's a million things that happen in mba. Like, oh, the heat scored on my favorite team. I'm gonna, that's not how anyone in the NBA kind of responds.

I'm probably thinking it's probably because Jimmy said something or argued or said, oh, that's another non-call or whatever. And he's probably reacting to that. But the thing that we are fairly certain Eric Lewis was guilty of was that he had a burner account. But the thing that we are fairly certain Eric Lucio's guilty of was that he had a burner account. And so before the show, I was talking with Jeremy and Jeremy was saying, oh yeah, and Eric Lucio's, the Celtics of 36 and 2, when Eric Lucio's Refinite game.

And I said, well no, that's a ball sack. We exposed that on basketball, lemonade. That was a fake stat, but here, no, but Jeremy, here's where it becomes important. That piece of misinformation that went crazy viral is the reason why people found that the Eric Luce had a burner because his burner jumped in and was like, that's not true, and that's a made-up stat, and that, which is, I mean, the burner was accurate, but it's just like, why is this happening? And so we had, we had, like I said, the guy who exposed it. And he was the one that said, wow, this random Twitter account sure does love Eric Lewis a lot because it just kept going on

and on and on. And so he started doing a homework and started looking up shared uh... things shared handles and all that and sure enough this twitter handle follows like baton cookman volleyball what does that matter because i think arick luci's wife is the head coach of baton cook and we've established it's obviously his burner account but i know they came up and i was a brother thank you and i'm just okay it's i'm it's obviously someone in the Turner family.

We've established the details on that. Now, what are you laughing about, Samson? Because what you want him to say is, why does this matter? Like, what's the story here? And we're three minutes in and we haven't gotten there, but I mean, it's a slow burn. What can you get us across the finish line?

What's this, I just told you what the story was? No, no, not the backstory, not the fact it has a burner account. What happened with this settlement? It retired. The fact that he retired. He retired. The investigation is now over.

He retired. That is now so important. You're right, guys. I should have led with Eric Lewis retired. Who's Eric Lewis? No, that's not my job. You guys gotta go figure that out. Sorry for giving exposition to an audience

who may not heard of the name Eric Lewis. I apologize. That's my fault. I give too much information. People just want to create their own back stories based off of just the name. Eric Lewis, huh? Second man on the moon. No, wrong, not him. Developed. You can start at the end and then work your way back. No. You can start with the fact that Eric Lewis and NBA referee retired, who was being investigated by the NBA was likely going to be punished in a very embarrassing situation that Adam Silver wants no part of given what's going on with gambling

and all the other issues that he has to deal with with competitive integrity. So they found a way to get him to retire. What we haven't heard yet is what incentives he was given to retire because it wasn't because he aged out of the NBA. Sounds like someone making a lot of leaps there. They found the way to get him retired and what incentives. I don't know any of them. You think he just retired out of nowhere? Because he had enough.

I think he'd rather retire than have the details of the investigation get pursued. And so would the NBA. Sure, but I don't know that he was coerced to conjold into retiring. But it's a pretty big story if you link those two things and for all the things you gave context to at the beginning of this segment, one of the things you didn't give context to

that you just said was that's a ball sack. You said that's a ball sack and the audience heard that and may not know what that means. Oh, sorry. I'm just saying. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, according to you guys, someone else has to figure it out on their own. Now, this is already. No, you guys are supposed to know everything.

I just have to give you the most recent news that someone got ball sacked. That's all I gotta say. I don't have to explain what ball sack is because that's too much exposition. Oh, I mean, why don't you go to the point of the store? I don't know who that what ball sack is because that's too much exposition. Oh, I mean, why don't you get to the point of the story? I don't know who that is who is that? I prefer that over the whiny voice. Yeah, I do like that one. I do like that one. Just a message. Part of the story or a pumbra call? There's a little loot down. I don't know a pommel.

There's a little little down. I don't know. Pommel. Poor her. There is so much going on with people with microphones in your studio right now, Dan. Jessica pointed out and she didn't even use the microphone. That was quite the observation, by the way. You really added a lot to the show. There's quite a lot going on with microphones in that studio.

She was saying to me that it means is now set a record for apologies by a media member in a single segment. You have apologized three times for three different things, also something. And I feel this is probably an off-air conversation, but since we're here, since you have entrusted your career to metal-arc media and your growth, I will say that I have noticed because you are doing so much work, talking so much in so many places and earning that money that you're being paid that you have now been afflicted with something that has afflicted Max Callerman and Stephen A Smith and skip Bayless. You talk too much. You're talking too much It ain't taking full man is to get to the point, but I love you. You feel me?

Hey, for Critman! There's you! What? That's dude, you're flying out of the sky to point out anyone's hypocrisy. He just pointed out mine. I also talk too much while telling you that you've talked too much. Hello. We need imaging for it.

That's not the good imaging. We need to do... Hard people, for the eyes. I don't mean Tom broke a. Here's how that is not it is not. Is there anything that you can give us Samson on and we're going to have someone on later in the show to talk about the business mechanics of this. What happened with bar stool yesterday because the story is that Penn got out of the bar stool business because they got

in to business with ESPN and David Portnoy, the founder of bar stool, got his company back, got $500 million and then got his company back for $8. And everyone thought to themselves, I was confused about it, I don't understand the business this way, that this was the deal of a century for Portner. You get $500 million and you get your company back. But then he laid off 25% of his staff yesterday. So explain to me what's happening there with losses. So this was on this morning's nothing personal,

which you can find wherever you find your podcast. But I would like to tell you that when Oprah gives a car to somebody, they've got to pay taxes on the car, then they have to pay insurance, then they have to get it serviced. So sometimes people look at that and say, well, wait a minute, that was a nice gift, but I can't even afford it. Get to the point, Sam Sam!

Keep it. Dave Portinoi got a business back for a dollar, but has to run it, and it's losing money. Penn was paying the losses every year. Now they're not. Now, Port Noui has to pay the losses and he doesn't want to, so he's got to cut expenses and the way to cut expenses is to cut payroll, whether it's players or employees,

in this case it's employees. So he is cutting expenses because he does not want to write checks. This though is one of the most unique media stories in the history of sports media. This thing climbing out of the ground to become this kind of business as a business that is antithetical to what the rest of media is doing, different from what the rest of mainstream media was doing. Can you explain to me why it is that this is so expensive can you explain to me how it is bar stool can buy bowl games

and and portanoid can gamble tens of thousands of dollars and have all the money in the world and now it becomes so expensive that it's unmanageable like why are the losses that large and all contents expensive i didn't know it was that expensive well when you can when you can borrow money in the capital markets, then when you lose money, you can pretend that you're not really losing money because all you're doing is building debt on the company side. But once you run out of availability to borrow, then you've got to actually sell your own assets to raise cash, to pay losses. It's a totally different ballgame. And that's where Portanoi must be or where he's headed and doesn't want to

go there. And he's got tremendous over it, he's got a tremendous number of employees. As you know, it's expensive to have employees. And if you at Metal Arc had to write checks for more than Chris or for more than who you're not anymore, but in the beginning, for many people, you would have not done it for an extended period of time. And you would have had no choice but to make hard decisions about who was going to stay and who was going to time. And you would have had no choice but to make hard decisions about who was gonna stay and who was gonna go. And then you were able to turn your company around and make it profitable.

But Portonoy has not been able to do that. And that's what he's going to effort to do starting right now. What is the movie that you're reviewing for us this week? I was up all night last night, bad night. And in the middle of the night, I watched all four parts of a movie called Live to a Hundred, the Secrets of the Blue Zones.

This is a movie when I saw the title, it came out on Netflix, it's a limited series. I said to myself, what a great idea. I'm sure that by never sleeping, I have a good chance of living to a hundred, let me see if there are any secrets. So this guy has spent 20 years trying to find places where people don't die. And there's a ton of 100-year-olds and what makes it happen. And all I learned is you have to eat well, you have to have zero stress, you have to have absolute perfect environment. And then most of you can live a long time, but we're not going to put in the documentary

the people who die young of disease. So I spent four hours during the course of my night from 1222 till whenever I sent the text on some subjects watching. And it turns out that I have the same opportunity of dying young as I did before. And it pissed me off. So don't watch this limited series because you're going to think that it will help you live long, but it won't. David, I can't tell from here, but is that a David Simpson merch hat behind you to the right of you at DavidSempson Podcast.com that you can get right now? I love you, man. I love you. Before we get out of here,

we got less than 30 seconds left. Just tell people what it is that you're training for and how it is that they can help if they want to help you. I'm training to run for 48 hours. I'm gonna do a challenge where you run four miles every four hours for 48 hours. And I'm doing it to raise money for Parkinson's because my best friend has Parkinson's

and he needs a cure and or else he's gonna have a big problem. And so it is a challenge that is not going to be easy starting at 10 a.m. on September 22nd and I will be sending out all over social media links as raising money for the Michael J. Fox Foundation because there's a lot of people who need a cure and I can run 48 hours if it means a cure. Also not the way to live to 100.

Done lebatard. All these high paid analysts. I don't want to mention names. TNT. ESPM. You know, oh yeah. They can look at it. They're not going to make it.

You know, even if they win, if they lose it in Miami. I need to calm you down. I need to calm you down. That's in if they lose it in Miami they calm you down I'm not trying to lose in Miami I don't got a chance in Boston or they're going to have their ass you know what in Boston you know Stugats they were wrong they were are they going to lose a job no are they going to get a cousin paid not what are they going to do keep predicting what is the obvious they're going to say oh the nuggets are going to win oh Denver the Denver, the altitude. And you know what? The heat are going to win at all.

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I'm surprised that everyone's not breaking into coverage all over, not just sports media, everywhere in media to announce that there has been an end of the internet moment on, we can stop discussing this now. The debate is finally settled. We have reached the end of the rainbow. They'll shock it. It has been crazy to watch.

I mean, you might not even know this because this predates you. It doesn't predate people who have been with the show since the beginning, but long before who's better? LeBron or Michael Jordan? There was who's better, Marino or Montana. And on this historic day, even though he's playing hurt, he's having a lot of mouth surgery, he is having a lot of trouble with everything that's happened inside of his mouth. Stugots is here to celebrate with us and discuss because he's the nation's foremost expert on marino versus montana who's the better quarterback stugat what was your reaction to the news i think it was tm z that broke it should win a pollitzer joe montana saying talking directly to tom brady

sorry tom brady you're not the best ever marino is the best ever. Marino is the best ever. Dan Marino is the best ever. It's over, Stu God. That's right Roy. I can't believe it. It's over. It's been happened 30 years from now with Lebron and Michael. Or is that one already over too?

Michael will never could see because Michael knows he's the greatest. Nothing's over till I say it's over. Dan Montana is wrong Okay, what? Montana is flatly wrong. I don't care that it's Joe Montana with an opinion on Joe Montana The opinion of himself and damn marino and Tom Brady is wrong Brady is the greatest of all time

Montana was better than marino that the bait lives on how about that? No, but I can't. I can't wait a minute. I can't. I'm Roy and I were stunned because the debate was over. What do you mean the debate isn't over? It's, well, Montana's wrong. I mean, Joe, listen, he's clearly being Joe Humble, okay? Like, give me a break. He really thinks Marino. Oh, the tiny little wide receivers, Clayton and Dupor. They're Hall all the famous. What is he talking about seriously? Montana has four rings, okay? Let's do rings plus minus Dan. Put Montana. Tell Joe to do this. Put his rings in a box. Put Marino's rings in a box. And tell me who has more. It's Joe.

Then do it with Brady. Put his in two boxes because you need it and put Joe's in one. And who wins, Tom Brady? Is that a bag of peas on the side of your face? What vegetable is that? Is that fruit on the side of your face? What I've run at Istand, so it is frozen peas from publics on my face and I'm holding it together with one of those,

one of those stimulating belts that you put over your stomach. And you can have it on right now. But you know, one of those stimulators that, you know, while you're sitting on the couch for 17 hours watching football, you get a six back abs. Minute. We legitimately is. Hold on, hold on because many years ago, there was the original, I think it's like one of the original commercials where somebody gets like a cannonball shot into their stomach because they're doing exercise that is an exercise on a machine that's just sort of vibrating and jiggling their love handles. You have one of those and it seems like the 2023 version, they're still selling those as way to get abs without doing any ab exercises.

Yes, I got this in the mail from Amazon like two and a half weeks ago. I mean, what is it to you? All right, but wait a minute, take me through the advertising, how you bought it. I understand that sometimes you take all sorts of shortcuts. If you're in physical pain, you just get an epidural. But now you're bypassing ab work by just getting this stupid belt that doesn't work. Yeah, the way they sold it to me was, listen, sit on your couch for as long as you want, just put this belt on, and when you get up,

you'll have a six-pack of abs. And so I was sold. I bought, it's the third one I purchased, and none of them have worked, but I'm thinking this might be the time. Are you under water right now? You sound like you're gargling a little bit. You do sound. Is your voice is everything okay? Yeah, no, everything is fine. I mean, I have a bag of ice. I have a bag of frozen peas over my mouth. What do you want?

What am I supposed to sound like? Mr. Guss is going to invent a new affliction called the Wettest Socket, where he has to go in because his mouth is just too wet. There's just too much back there. You are denying for us then the finality. You're here to declare that my declaration and Montana's declaration that Montana marino is over, that it's not over, it'll never be over.

You will never allow it to be over. Or it is over, it's Tom Brady. Or it is over, it's, yeah, no, it's Brady, Dan. Montana's wrong. I mean, and why would we ask Joe Montana? Like, why is that the, don't ask Joe Montana. He's not going to give you the answer that you want. And there is no answer. That's the point. If Montana said it was him, I'd say it's Marino that the bait lives on. If Montana said it's Marino, which he did, I'd tell you, he's wrong. The debate will live on forever. The debate will never end, Dan.

At some point in time, two guys in that shipping container or maybe Jess and one of the guys in the shipping container or maybe Jess and Lucy will be hosting the show and it won't be me and you and they'll still be debating Marino or Montana. How about that? I'm with Stu Gatz. Montana is the greatest.

Tom Brady, he's not part of the conversation. He was part of that terrible 80 for Brady movie. It immediately disqualifies him. Montana, Marino, Pittsburgh guy, Brady third. Montana was part of that terrible Rudy movie. No, he wasn't. He was. He was a quarterback on the team with Rudy. I don't think he liked it though. No, he didn't. I don't think though that you could be. You say you're with Stugots, but you have said something different than Stugots. Stugots says. I'm with him to debate not over Dan. Okay, you're with him on that part. Didn't you just meet Montana?

Uh, well, we didn't necessarily meet, but he, he won't, Tony Montana. Montana is exactly what's going to happen. He was at the game in Ireland. He is, he reps Guinness Dan. So it was a very exciting time for all of us at the Notre Dame family on Saturday. I made it. I'm a very little cockarotter. I made it. Let me suck it. Dan's at all my Irish eyes were smiling.

Stugots, thank you for playing Hurt. We appreciate it. Although I do not appreciate that you've denied me the ability to say that this debate is over for all time. You see the flex he has going in the top corner over there? You guys noticed that though? Oh, this... Lacrosse Championship thing, this old NCAA National Championship thing.

Oh. I'm not certain I'm supposed to have that to be quite honest with you. Very excited to see you on Tuesday next week with a pair of abs on your cheek. Chiseled. I would love to go on a tour of your house where you just showed us things you're not sure you're supposed to have that just represent symbolic theft. Well, as I looked at my right, I'm going to find one of those air rollers, not the roller, the actual here, let me get it for you.

Okay, hold on one second, I'll be right back. No, no way. There's no way he has one of those, the thing where he thing where you supposed to get on the I think he had a body by He used to do it I think so I think one of these No, come on. Yeah, I would love to see you try to be Can we see it? Can it is it possible for us to try and see you easier on the back I haven't used it yet. I got it a month in Africa just no chance you that is really hard to do that is not easy to do

Not at all easy on the back. That's why I got the belt. Thank you. We appreciate Stugots that you've again not given us the ability to formally end a debate because the debate will live forever. Thank you, sir. Okay. One of the things that has been a source of constant criticism around here.

Solid transition out of that interview, but you guys. Okay. He's still there. Don't, I'm not okay. Can I apologize for the okay? Would you like to try and get a better dismount than that one you've got on your head? You've got an app. Play it in pain, Dan.

I mean, you've got an app belt on your on medication. You've got a bag of frozen peas on your on your cheek. And usually because you're a radio veteran and a very polished person when it comes to knowing how broadcasting is supposed to work Even if you can't execute it. He knows how to dismount a segment. I do. You're dead right. That's the worst dismount I've ever had Mike you know that okay The perhaps blue ribbon t-shirt is also a nice touch We asked him if he had a milderbon t-shirt is also a nice touch. We awesome. We've got a Miller light t-shirt. Way better. Absolutely.

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The thing that I was saying about the debate and the debate never ending because many people around here have an assortment of complaints of how obsessed I've been recently and it's probably fair criticism with everything happening with Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless end-to-bait culture, at least in part, because Stephen A Smith won't shut up about it and he's come off of occasion three times to defend himself and the company in debate culture when I have said something and he addressed it again a fourth time the other day. And yesterday I sat down for a three-part documentary on debate culture that now Stephen A. Smith

is doing as the pioneer of debate culture. And the person who was talking to me, interviewing me, I was saying to him, like, yeah, the sports argument in general was kind of hurt by Google, the fact that you can just look up whether you're right or wrong or not. And his answer was that it's, no, you can't do that. It's not over. It'll never be over, because they're just opinions. And I'm like, yes, but opinions should be formed, or at least we used to do it this way, by some foundation of facts. Like, you can go get the facts you need to make your opinion. He's like, ah, don't have to do it that way. The sports argument isn't over.

We will always find a way to argue it because it doesn't matter what Joe Montana says, what the hell does he know? What is Joe? He was wrong. Why are you still here? What? Didn't you already say goodbye poorly

and cost us a sponsor with a means help? Didn't we already do that? Yep. Alright. Thank you for all your good work. You want to try it again? You want to try a better dismount? Sure.

Go ahead. We'll say goodbye. See you later, Stu Gotts. Thanks for all your contributions. We'll see you on God Bless Football. Alright. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Feel better.

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