The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Fake Pregame Show

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

The show is sending Chris Cote to Germany to cover Dolphins-Chiefs which means the triumphant return of The Fake Pregame Show. Then, the crew visits the Bucket of Death, and Dan threatens Tony's job status after Tony said people need to slack at their jobs more. Plus, there was a naked man who stole a cop car in Vegas, and it may or may not have been Mike Ryan. Also, the show shares their thoughts on the horrifying death of hockey player Adam Johnson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Don Levittar Show with the Stugat Spatcast. I legitimately cannot believe that we are doing this. We have a giant football game, 9.30 in the morning approaching. The biggest game the dolphins have played in in damn near 20 years like. It feels like because this is to announce to everybody you're playing the chiefs. Are you a contender for what the chiefs have halfway through the broken season of people are injured all over the place?

And one thing you can say about the dolphins, that we have not been able to say for years and years, oh, Jesus, six and two, and they're hurt. Nah, hurt usually means not six and two. So question whether or not they've beaten good teams, they've not, but they blown out all the other teams while a lot of games in the sport are really close. We are sending Chris Cody to Germany to cover this game. I better get going.

A giant game. And we are bringing back a couple of things right now. I'm very excited about this. A lot of people were asking, why do we go to Hollywood? Why do we go to Los Angeles? Deals that will become evident in the next couple of months have been secured in Hollywood. One of them is the return of the fake pregame show to celebrate all the things the dolphins are. The time is now. This is the fake pre-game show with Dan Levittard. Aren't sports mostly fun? And stew guts.

Who, you're called today? You're called. Fake pre-game show show let me tell you this take in is a retired NFL player fake pregame show We will win! We will win! We will win! We will win! I was jacked up when I saw that. We will win! We will win! We will win! Hey, we are...

We need a thumb to go this direction. Slow! Slow! Now everybody... Fail forward fast. Fat pregame show. Take the aim again! Take it again!

It instructs you whatever. This is the Fat pregameRIGAME SHOW! We drafted the GENF Family! Kickoff is... A couple days away! But the FACPRIGAME SHOW begins now! Teggin and his family will give us

everything they have! FACPRIGAME SHOW! Fail forward fast! Knockin' fools out, Stu Godd. Knockin' fools out. Woo! Hey, we need a thumb to go this direction. I was dragged out when I saw that. Woo!

Woo! We don't do previews around here. This game is worthy of a preview. We're sending a correspondent. He's going with Ju-Ju-Gadi. The account is going to be Chris Cody, tours Germany all week and break it down for us. The biggest dolphin game and how long?

Couple of weeks, they played the Eagles. I thought that was a pretty big one. Actually, they keep catching these teams after losses. They got the Eagles after they lost, now they got the Chiefs after a loss. I feel like these good teams, they're even better after a loss. So I'm nervous actually.

So you're going to German and you see them shut down. I think I'm going emotional hedge. You think they're gonna lose? I think in my pool I might take the chiefs. I'm scared. Okay, so the correspondent, you don't believe in your team? Well, I do believe in my team and they have been, I think Connor Williams will play.

They saved him last week. If Toronto Armsted plays, I like their chances. If it's the same four offense alignment playing with Jackson from last week, I do not. They're hurt. The dolphins are hurt, but the chief's just scored nine points at Denver. And the chiefs have shown you that they're better than the dolphins this year. I don't think so. Not offensively. They've seemed about the same. They definitely have not looked better offensively. They've looked oddly not chiefs like offensively. It's kind of weird.

What's going on with that? Why don't you have faith though? Like this is weird to me that you would think that's the dog. It's just a emotional hedge, Dan. That's the same. No, that's the same as you don't have faith. It's cowardly.

It's the same. What are you talking about, emotional hedge? I mean, it's just a total leave. You don't believe in your team enough. It's a win-win. You don't believe in your team enough. I like a good win-win. If you're, it's not a win- enough. I like a good win win if you're

It's not a win-win if the chief's win then I will have picked it right. That's a win there Oh look at me. I'm not I'm not for the emotional hedge Pick a side to your team or don't believe in your team. What kind of correspondence? Well, you believe in the dolphin. You want to believe in them and I'll believe in them all I want to believe it all right This is soft. All right. This is to you you I'm going there for weener snitzel. That's what this is what this is about, isn't it? How much German beer are you going to be drinking on the metal arc time? That's a lot. I have plans. Mike Ryan, you want to break down the Dolphins Chiefs better than our German correspondent?

You're interested in this thing. Took a six point teaser, Dan, that brings a line down to Chiefs Plus 4 and a half. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, Dolphins chiefs better than our German correspondent. You're interested in this. Took a six point teaser, Dan, that brings a line down to chiefs plus four and a half. And the over under total, I believe it around 44 and a half. So that's my bet here. I'm rooting for the dolphins though, because I want the chiefs to get a nice scare put in. Sounds like an emotional head she's doing there.

Oh, I was just taking a deep plus. Not rooting against the dolphins. You guys seem to like them. You're heading out there. I want you to have a good time over there Just said don't win by more than four and a half points more good. What kind of Miami homers are we? What has happened to this pro? They don't believe their schedule of chiefs. It's five straight years. Yes chiefs are in that important game and the dolphins are The dolphins are going to win this football game. They're I said it. I like both teams. Look, you found the one team that I would be a little scared of. Yes. Coward.

Don Lebatard. Were you guys building out the a rod bathroom of your imaginations? Is that what I heard you discussing during the break? Towels with an a on them. You know the thing you slide the toilet paper on, that's a baseball bat. Hey, like that. Stu Gotts. You think he actually calls it the throne?

Probably does. It's an actual throne. An actual throne. There's got to be a full length mirror in there somewhere. I imagine somewhere in his house, he has a replica of David, but with his head on it. This is the Don Limita Show with this two-gats. I mean, you know what it's like to be around the top end of how to run a sports business.

Why are you laughing, Roy? It looks like you just broke up with me in there. Like he's, you know, from a nap. Where am I? A mean to energy level. Wow. just woke up and meet him there. Like he's, you know, from a nap. Where am I? Ha ha ha. A meme, a meme to energy level. Wow. Wow.

I thought it was a water. I guess right before we went on air, Dan's like, let me clear my throat here. You know what's fun? And what did I say? I said, it's not gonna make a, like a difference. It's funny because he tried. He said, I mean, and he heard it and he's like,

let me stop here for a second. Maybe it'll go away. Maybe it was just passing. Nope. It set up camp. Next time you get get one of those do the whole show that way because your voice has that like you Sometimes get that thing where it's like arm here. I get the whole show That the Kermit De Fraug voice when you have a Kermit De Fraug voice. I can't get rid of it. No I'll do the show like this too and that way it won't be as crazy people think Yeah, it's a new thing to do with the audio No, I'll do the show like this too and that way it won't be as crazy people think yeah

It's a new thing to do with the audio. Thank you Roy. You're welcome. Oh, I mean Roy. Oh, so you were thank you Good H2O, huh? Nothing better Back to you dad. Oh wait, he's still drinking. He's taking very big a recipe of his water Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was telling Miss Pee Sasha and Malia, that sometimes you got to drink water, yeah! Help me! Now some folks across the aisle, they don't like that. Mr. McConnell doesn't want you to speak normally. Mr. McConnell, you know, turtles and frogs don't get along. We're gonna go to the bucket of death in just a second here,

but before we go to the bucket... Sounds clear. The day in eating, you need like a good 30 minute window afterwards. I'm sorry, it's still there. No, no, no, it's all right. It'll pop back up again. You'll watch. You watched it down. It's okay. Sad lunch, by the way. I walked by it. The salad, just chicken and like, I'll foul green things. I think it's all like red onion raw. Just like a lot of them. Just gross. Yeah. Thank you. Try that chicken up, man.

It's a sort of it. It's very grilled, very plain chicken. Dan's the guy that says, hold the seasoning. No pepper. Nothing. There's nothing on it. It's just, it's lettuce, onions, and chicken, and not very good sounding whenever it is.

I finish it, but I will get to the bucket of dead. The whitest chicken you've ever had. Let him cook. It is grass-fed. Wait a minute. Now, Races, Josie Gackie is an organic, hell freak. Like what?

Form raised. Oh, we crew this trout on a farm. Ooh. The thing I want to know because you're a leader of a story. Go on to our pond, grab it with your hands. Be a man. A sports organization, I mean. You know how to run things.

And I'm learning how to run things, but I don't run them well. And clearly, I don't run them well when, Tony, who's been here for about 18 months, close to two years, learning on the job, hustling with us after jumping uh... from a spn believing in the metal arc ideas he just said to me i'm the founder of the company

danne people need to slack at their jobs more yes i did say that allowed but there's a reason for it then i got a call during lunch. No, it has nothing to do with anybody here. People here are doing a great job. There's a call that I got from in the building, okay?

From somebody who I will not reveal their name because it was on their caller ID. He calls me and he's like, hey, is this Anthony? I'm like, yeah? He's like, you're black, Volkswagen, right? And I'm like, no, I don't have a black Volkswagen. He's like, brother, I'm looking at your black Volkswagen right now. I'm like like no, I don't have a black Volkswagen's I brother I'm looking at your black Volkswagen right now. I'm like brother I do not have a black Volkswagen. What are you talking about and then he said my number and I was like yeah

That's my number but I have a black Volkswagen's like there's a watermelon on your car. I'm like what he's like Yeah, there's a watermelon on your black Volkswagen right now He thought that that was his winning move and I'm like whoa wait. I gotta go and it's a watermelon on my car I'm like I'm like what are you talking about? I don't And it's a watermelon on my car. I'm like, what are you talking about? I don't have a black watermelon. I don't have a black. Whoa. Whoa.

Wait a minute. Dangerous game. Stop down. Ha ha ha. Yeah. We can film a buster for you a bit. I don't have a black Volkswagen. The watermelon on top of it, okay?

So it happened to be somebody from the building who was very worried that there was a watermelon on top of it. Okay? So, it happened to be somebody from the building who was very worried that there was a watermelon on a black Volkswagen and called me about it because apparently this person who has a black Volkswagen has my number attached to their car. So that guy was doing too good for a job. I need the parking attendant to do a worse job. I need him to slack off at his job

and not call me about a watermelon on somebody else's car. What is the watermelon represent? I know what pineapples mean. I figure you would tell us. I'm not touching that one. It's a head lightly yo. I'm not belly y'all out with this one. I got into an argument with a parking attendant

a couple of days ago on Halloween. I was wearing a costume. And I was yelling at the parking attendant. I'm doing a lot of things that are a bit out of character for a number of different reasons and my wife was I I would say I embarrassed my I publicly embarrassed my wife and not because I was enraged while wearing a costume though that Should have diluted Angry Kansas

No, I was a different costume. I was some course you were the oblo. No, you guys think I like these costumes I do not like these costumes. How many Halloween costumes did you have this year? I've just went to the bucket. I went to the How many? I've been of no there were like there are like six and a bin I can choose from and I can choose any one of them for any Halloween. You did Creek sounds like someone who hates Halloween. I had six that choose for no I've just got old ones. I don't throw away the things that my wife lovingly makes for me uh... because uh... it's a very important that we win the contest here that no one cares about that no one dresses up for

who did win our Halloween costume this week uh... the best i'll be here billy had more votes though more popular votes it was rigged i mean yes that's what billy does uh... do you not find it weird though i just i do want wanna go back to this. Does any part of you, Tony, think to yourself, I shouldn't say to the founder of the company, Dan, people need to slack at their jobs more. You didn't give me any context.

You didn't say anything. You just shouted it to me as I was walking into the room with my plane chicken. Yes, no. And that was after I saw your lunch in the trash and I didn't wanna to throw away my lunch on top of your lunch, because it looked like it was still very full.

So I looked at you and I was like, Dan, are you done with this, even though it was in the trash. So at that point, I kind of figured, oh, I can kind of say anything. And then I said, people should suck other jobs. Let's again study this for a second. I mean, because I think I want to,

I really want to dig down into this and wonder, why it is toning, would look into a garbage can, where the remainder of my food is, look into that garbage can and ask me, Dan, are you done with this? It's full. Still full.

Are you full? It's the castanza rule, right? Like it's sitting on top. It was hovering on top. I mean, no, thank you. I mean, just because it's in the trash, doesn't mean it is trash. It's obvious if it's in the garbage can that I am done with this.

Not for some. It's gonna stand a rule, Dan. If it's on the top, if I throw something on top of it away, then it's garbage for sure. But if it's still sitting there, right, again, hovering above the trash. Making contact, the food itself

is not making contact with any of these surroundings. And it was sitting there and I was like, maybe Dan wants to go back for it. It looks very full. There's still a couple of pieces of chicken there. I don't know, just because there's a sign filled plot about this does not mean it's a good rule. I don't want to eat something out of the garbage.

But do you know, what I'm saying to you, just to step back and learn how Tony is going to climb in this business, do you know how much harder it is to ask a question that is more bothersome to the founder of a company? Once your first question is this lunch that's in the trash stand and clearly in the trash. Are you done with it or are you someone who eats from the trash? Are you sure when he was saying people need to slack more that he wasn't saying we need to communicate in our group chats? make sure we're staying on top of things.

Kick saven abuse. Nope, but then he had the story, yeah, kick saven abuse, the watermelon story. I think I get it. I don't know why he's calling me about a card that I don't own, and somebody has my identity. Let's bring the grim reaper out for what remains of Tony's career here. for a nice though you unless we'll let us looks good I don't know how many people have to do this today I have to start Jeremy goes first. He is dressed as Alexander Hamilton or a founding father of some sort the town cryer Chris was addicts There are three point favorites favorites against the books Well, they are the books I'll get at the Texas we will get you heard this segment you understand what's happening there Tony Tony love Baker doesn't have to pick though did you pick no no what I said is I'm gonna send the Reaper out there

And I'm sorry I'm pluttering this it he deserves it or we'll come back to it to Philadelphia Eagles disaster of a segment for Tony Disadge Eagles are at home against the Cowboys tough game three points favorite at home. That's what Jeremy is stuck with All right here we go hopefully I can get the Germany game game that'd be fun, huh since I'm going we're I got the bangles Sun and I football against the Buffalo bills favorite. Yeah, I'm fire. Yeah, I'm fire baby It's just that that's too dangerous for me. Let me get the browns here. That'd be nice. We got the Vikings They are the road at Atlanta for and a half point dog Aaron Hall versus Taylor Heinecke whoop Supposed you didn't keep the Bengals there. I understand that the bills you believe in the bills

I'll take it. I'll switch if you allow me. I'll go back to it Not a lot of DeMarne Hamlin conversation this week That's the game that happened Sorry to bring down the vibes. He hasn't played a lot of DeMar Hamlin conversation this week. That's the game that happened. Oh yeah. Sorry to bring down the vibes. He hasn't played a lot right? Quickly. We move on. Isn't he like one of the favorites for comeback player of the year? Yeah. Despite not playing. You're not going to do that. He didn't just do that. He is. No. Chris Cody didn't just do that. What? No, the comeback player. Two is one of the leading candidates to? Like minus 200.

You can't beat DeMaur Hamlin. DeMaur Hamlin wins. Aaron Rogers is going to try. Roy. Yes. The New England Patriots. They are at home against the commanders. Three and a half point favorite.

Commanders traded away a lot of players at the deadline. What do you do, Roy? I'm sticking with the Patriots this week. How about that? I mean, just flexed chase young football muscle dude. I'm doing this. It's great. You are watching football. Watching football. I'm not bingles. Why was chase young traded? He looks the part. He is. I think the surprising thing is that they decided that they're just going to move on from chase young. I don't think San Francisco is going to be able to keep him, which is why the price was what it was. But the fact that Washington decided this isn't a person that we're going to rebuild around

pretty crazy. I picked the Atlanta Falcons home against the like I am going to keep the Atlanta Falcons is the determination there that he is not good enough at value when they value past rushers and they need him to be Mike Parsons because if you're gonna pay him you got to get a guy. Pretty good if the borers Mike Parsons. No but you know what I'm asking you I did not expect this trade to happen even as they talked up to the trade deadline this might happen so I was just trying to understand it. Yeah I was really surprised but I clearly not a part of their plans but I thought that that would be a player you'd want to build around.

I mean it's not like you got a great pick for one. Bangle's two and a half point favorite. Let's see. I'm going to back. You're doing the same thing. You idiot. Even though they're on fire, they're not quite on fire enough. Oh, this is the one for that one.

The Lions, that's good. The Lions are good. Look at how many. You hit a bite. I think you've got a bite. Congratulations to me. Nobody likes it when, uh, okay, the bill's at the bangles. I'll take it. I'll keep the bills. Because I'm not a coward. You said I should have kept the bangles. I know. That's why I'm so brave. That's exactly right.

Quickly the uh, grim reaper, we'reaper be reaper over complicated all of this. Hurry up. At least it's normally a clean segment. Tony pick quick pick quickly from the bucket. Tony pick quickly. By the way, the the bucket of death. Guys, it's it's all right. We'll go a little bit longer here.

It's brought to you by KFC's new hot and spicy wings. Order an eight piece of the new hot and spicy wings 499. It participating KFC today. It's straight here here go closer. It's finger-looking good Oh the Reaper just tackle How The golden hell Cheating Wait a second no no no no no no flag on the play somebody else has it Lucy has a golden hummin of life He swiped that on the way out. Nope. No Tony cheaters. No Tony Something else put it back. Make something else. Put it back. Take something else, Tony.

Put it back! Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. What is happening? Why did we send him to the penalty box? I'm so pissed off and damn. Why? Buh, buh, buh, buh.

Don Lebatard. You keep mentioning Lou Harris and... Lou Williams and Montrel Harris. You keep mentioning. Harold, Harold, excuse me. Yes. Stugats. Nick, thank you so much for being on with us. Really enjoy your work.

Thanks for having me. Have a great day. Yes, yes. See you. This is the Don Lebatard show with the Stugats. I mean, do you remember how it is that you felt about the show Cops whenever you discovered the show Cops in America? Bad boys, what you want? What you want?

What you want? No, no, no, yeah, I do. I remember it very clearly. And how did you feel about it? Oh, it was funny because you're watching people, the camera people running faster than the cops is awesome. And then whenever they caught the person, it was always this, the shovel drugged out person,

who always has an excuse after running through fields and yards and stuff when they catch up, like, hey man, I was just minding my business. Like, wow, it's a lot of running for someone who's minding their business. Entertaining, right? You were watching it, you were not, there were not societal just minding my business. Like, wow, it's a lot of running for someone with my other business. Entertaining, right? You were watching it, you were not, there were not societal points to be made about.

No. In a different time about police officers exerting their powers in the ways that have become clear 20 years later, people are deeply uncomfortable with in this country because when the footage isn't edited, there's a lot of bad stuff on it. Sure, I mean, again, it was a TV show.

It's not like a way of life. It's not like I left my house like, you know what? Cops are good. And felt free and safe. It's just a TV show. The reason I bring it all up is because I was thinking about this police officer the other day and what he went home and told his family

and what it is that he told the people who care about him when they asked him, how did your day go at work? What was it like for you in the streets of Las Vegas at night being a police officer? What happened? And then his response had to be, and I don't know how we got here in this story, but go ahead and play that video, a nude man fought me in the street while someone videotaped. It totally nude.

That's always funny. funny knocked me to my knees And then I tried to get him but he ran nude into my car and then he stole my truck And I labored after him and the video is of a nude man kicking my ass and I just refuse Under any circumstances to have anyone tell me that a nude man kiss kicking anybody else's ass is not always funny but when it hits a cop and the cop is on his knees and then the cop gets the truck stolen and then the cop labors chasing after the truck and again with a nude man in it he's not telling that story that way to his family correct this video is exposing him to his family his His family is like, dad, is that you?

Dad, we recognize you running that way. Why didn't you tell us about this story, what happened? How was the cop more exposed? Yeah. The cop. He was blindsided in the retelling. In the retelling, he's like, I'm telling, I never saw him. It's like, dad.

But what did you say? You should probably go officer here. The officer, I should have gone orifice there. Can you tell me why it is that that led to that point when in your imagination, what's the video that's missing there that gets us to that point? Where's the story that's missing there? Probably Chargers leading by 27 and blowing it to the Jags.

It's what happened with me. How I got there. You're probably wondering. That's me in that video. I'm cursing about Brandon Staling. I don't think people know the depths of this story. And I don't think you want it told. Mike Ryan's rage at Brandon Staling.

It was a good sum of money. Let's not say the sum of money. I'm not going to say the sum of money. But Mike Ryan will never forgive Brandon. It was a good sum of money. Let's not say the sum of money because I just finished filing for my taxes. Yes, I'm not going to say the sum of money, but Mike Ryan will never forgive Brandon Staley for losing at Jacksonville when up 27 at the half because that bet was cashed in one after this part I can say after season of gambling you made one big bet on what you thought you knew, which is that the chargers were better than the jacks.

Correct. There was a pool, and I was doing very well. I was top of the table at the time, and in the playoffs, games count for more, and had the rest of the playoffs went the way that it did for me. This would have meant a lot of money. This one result. The one result that I thought was in hand, because it was a small spread between the chargers. You will never forgive him. Never. Never. No, he's dead to me. He's dead to me. He's a bad coach. Bad person. Tony's fault. The problem was it was my fault. Mike didn't consult with me beforehand when I lit the Somboseli bellita. He didn't know that that was going to happen. Obviously the the chargers didn't see it either. Jack's one and it was kind of history. In that moment, you know it's a big loss,

but you're like, okay, I'll just run the table in the divisional round, I guess. But retrospectively, that did cost me a lot. The bet that hurt you the most, that's the one. Yeah, in terms of... Never been won. Not in terms of loss, but in terms of potential winnings that are just evaporated,

that's the single biggest by far. The worst part, by like eight times by far. That is one of those bad beats. I'm not even sure the... My second biggest bad beat was actually the undefeated Patriots year. I just kept like as a year went on. I believed in that team so much

that I played a prop for them to be undefeated. Write that book. Yeah, David's so fierce. went on. I believed in that team so much that I played a prop for them to be undefeated. Right that book. Yeah. David. So yeah. So my second biggest loss possible winnings was the David Diary game. Oh man. What a what a that was one of my ideas sports memories. Well by definition though, I'm not sure this classifies as a bad beat. It hurts, but I thought bad beats are when something fluky happens at the end Jacksonville chase down the chargers in that game and the chargers blew up, but I don't I mean, 7-0 lead no matter if it's on the road or in the playoffs, you got to win that game.

They were also digger the kicker mist. I don't like him either. They were bad. All of a sudden Brandon Caley couldn't just totally forgot how to be a coach. He wasn't aggressive when he was supposed to be. He was too aggressive when he probably should have been more conservative it was bad i lost a lot of money but i'm sure a lot of people are are happy about that no one likes bad beat stories

especially like your afterwards but a result in a meeting up an officer running away with his vehicle again i want to get to the beginning of this story starts where are you guys curious like how we end up to the guy just be a good well it starts with the city that this happened they get to Vegas officer that's involved in the time of day

that's it's nighttime starts a church sky went to service left someone said hey man you want to have a little beverage with us is like I really shouldn't it's a one-want hurt and he says all right I'll have a white wine spritzer, spritzer, spritzer, next thing you know, but naked, that's not liquor. I mean, that's drugs. Yeah, that's not.

I think a fair, I think someone was caught in someone's bed and they weren't supposed to be there. Why else would he be completely naked? That is some intrigue, an affair in the middle of a highway cross section. That's not fair. An affair that he's... An affair that he's safely, maybe it is the cops' way.

I thought you meant like a county fair at first? No, not fair. There are eight ways. He does kind of give chronic problems. I got him running out, he gets away from the house where the husband got home and he sprinting down. Now he's just sprinting down the street. He may have been on some drugs also

and then he gets pulled over for public indecency and then he's just like, I can't get arrested. I just got this new job and he's just like, yeah, it's a whole thing. The place where your story falls about I'm gonna tell you is the 12 to 16 lanes of highway that you find the new man in under a traffic light of something. Takes about three steps for him to realize I'm not catching this car.

Yeah, you got away, right? Don Lebertard. Trist and Shal Stugatz. Trist and Shal. This is the Don Lebertard show with a Stugatz. I mean, I was trying to get to this serious sports topic earlier this week and shows derailed and Billy was Billy and you ended up in different places than I intended as often happens around here.

But I spent the week wanting to get this to get to this story out of England because for many years we have talked around here about the general insanity of hockey. The general insanity of what those people play through in the playoffs and how injured they are at the end of the playoffs. But I think of all of the crazy things in hockey, one of the things that we've obsessed over over the last few years years is the fact that they're moving at those rates of speed, basically, on sharpened swords. And what just happened in England,

where a player who used to play for the penguins, Adam Johnson, was killed on the ice in a gruesome injury that makes me sort of feel uncomfortable even as I describe it, a scapeblade cutting the jugular. And this has happened before in hockey, although death is not usually the result. In fact, in 1989, it happened and they immediately tended to it and the gold tender was back on the ice 10 days later. Went malarchuk and locally Richard Zednick had a life threatening incident in the NHL, thankfully in North America's hockey league, while there have been some serious incidents and life threatening, we haven't seen something

like what happened to Adam Johnson across the pond. And what else is happening here, though, because I imagine I can't even imagine what Matt Petgrave feels, the player who ends up killing Adam Johnson, because I would imagine having that on your resume really affects obviously the victim and the victim's family, but also the other person who was involved. And I would assume that the feeling of being on the wrong end of that would be something that people would carry for an eternity.

But there's been another step on this that makes it even more unpleasant than that, which is that Matt Petgrave is black, that Adam Johnson is white, and that Matt Petgrave also is somebody who gets a ton of penalty minutes and gets ejected from games, and this particular play, depending on the angle that you're looking at it from, and where it is that you want to see it from, can seem like a dirty play. Now it goes probably without saying that nobody was trying to kill anybody. But maybe it doesn't go without saying if you look at this through the prism of, you

want to think that Matt Petgrave should be punished. Not for murder, but for manslaughter. Should be punished because the dirty play his intent was not to obviously harm that way, but it can be argued that that was not a clean play and the result of it ends up being a death and the most gruesome way. A lot of blood on the ice, something nobody wants to look at. I haven't even been able to bring myself to look at the actual video to analyze whether or not it's a dirty hockey play because I don't want to see that.

Sean Avery, the former NHL player who built up quite the reputation while he was playing in the league and has since starred in Oppenheimer, well not starred, but was a featured player and then he went on Fox News and he gave voice to this area. Now there is circumstantial evidence that the player who did this is the legal leader over there in penalty minutes

and Sean Avery says, look, I'm not saying that he woke up that day saying I'm gonna murder somebody, but there was some sort of malicious intent there and it went wrong. This is a prevailing theory on social media and some people like you mentioned are attaching that to racism. It's an overall nasty situation. Sean Avery also called for

changes to the NHL be it the skate. I know in the league that this happened and they are talking about and I think already passed through mandatory neck guards as while these incidents are isolated, it's something that is threatening players often. Given that legs go up in the air, and those legs have very sharp blades. There've been several close calls in the NHL, and it doesn't necessarily have to break the skin for you to say, wow, that's a close call.

It's just a matter of, I was inches away from that. Thankfully, nothing happened. What do you do with this other than wins? The a matter of, I was inches away from that. Thankfully nothing happened. What do you do with this other than wins? The entirety of it, because initially, when I'm talking about players skating around on swords, this right here is my greatest fear. I don't, there is not, what is the, is it the carotid artery on the leg? Like there are a couple of places where you can bleed out you just can't stop the bleeding and major

arteries and this is the worst case scenario of what can happen to a hockey player in a sport where I don't understand how it is that they slide in front of a hundred mile an hour slap shots like that puck's not soft. That puck, that my father thought was made of metal when he followed that magical 1996 run by the Panthers. It's not made of metal, but that rubber ain't soft. No, it's incredibly dangerous. Just last year, it doesn't always have to be the neck.

Evander Cain's life was saved by getting treatment quickly. And if you remember that video, and it happened in Tampa, he's an Edmonton Oiler, he got sliced on the wrist, and all the blood left his body out of fear and also was leaving his wrist at the time. He physically changes color. And the panic that sets in in that moment is terrifying.

And I'd look, you mentioned skating on swords several times. They are very sharp skates that they're skating on. Is there something that can be done? Because it does feel kind of archaic. Is there something that can be done to the skate itself? To limit this, neck guards being mandatory is a step in the right direction. But as I just outlined with Evander Cain,

there are other places on the body that are exposed. Is this something like CTE is in the NFL, which makes us easier to process what we're watching the sport because it's not something generally outside of Jamar Hamlin. You don't see instantaneous mortal issues, plaguing that sport. Someone bleeding out that is traumatic for everybody involved. It's a lot harder to watch on your screens.

The NHL hasn't had to ask itself these serious questions because they've gotten away with these very dangerous moments. I guess my question is how rare of it of an instant. It's pretty rare, but I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. It is pretty rare and what Mike is saying is true. There have been a lot of close calls that could have easily been something like this that isn't just because of, you know,

just because it's random. And is there a contingency plan in place? Like, when that happens? I don't know the difference in the amount of of treatment if you see if you see the video there There's nothing that's up. I'm guessing but part of me is also guessing that the resources available to an NHL game are Significantly greater than the research is available for hockey in England, which isn't exactly known as a hotbed for the sport I it's kind of like you know if I if I... Staying to reason, right? You would assume.

If I had an accident playing in an open gym somewhere. Right. I probably have less medical attention about the medicine. I would, especially dealing with arteries, I would like the solution to be like, let's just hope there are good people standing by at the ready to seal this up.

So maybe I'm not gonna pretend like I'm an expert in this. There is an inherent danger to the sport given the equipment. But I don't know. Look, this was a sport that back in the day didn't want to wear. There's so many players that pride themselves on not wearing visors. Forget a viso. Didn't want to wear a helmet. You don't want to wear helmets. They always didn't want to wear face masks. When they had when they instituted the helmet rule in NHL like they grandfathered in anyone who played without helmets if you didn't want to wear a helmet you got to play like that until you until you retired that's how much of a fabric the fabric of the sport of being a tough guy it

is but I would say that I think to compare it to CTE is a little different because almost every single NFL player is at real risk of getting head trauma every single position. But if CTE was something that you could pick on instantaneously. Yeah, you could see it happen in front of you. Obviously, there's a shock value. Yeah, but there's literally blood porn. Well, this one, this one, there is not, I don't believe, I don't even think paralysis feels like nothing.

Blood all over white ice. Yeah, but an amount of blood that you only see in the most graphic of horror. Did you watch it? I saw, I didn't see the actual kick. So I can't speak to the intention. I know that several hockey players have come out there and given voice to. There was some malicious intent there, which makes all of this feel really terrible. It seems as though it's a freak accident for many other people that are weighing in

on it. But all I saw afterwards was the panic in the face of the official that tried to skate the player to to decide that's all I can not and will not I refuse to believe that somebody who plays that sport would ever with intent do that on purpose. Just cannot imagine that, but that also doesn't matter all that much. Because like I said, the difference between manslaughter and murder is intent, but the consequences are very much the same. And that someone dies and there is a penalty. The prevailing theory from a lot of people that want to say there's something nefarious going on here was that while he didn't intend to hit him in the throat and kill the man,

he kicked up his leg with malicious intent in some form or fashion. That's a reckless action play. Right. It's like Grayson Allen undercutting a caruso. I don't know enough about the sport to apply intention here. I haven't seen the actual moment. But I guess Grayson Allen is kind of notorious for these kind of plays where I don't think

he's trying to, for instance, paralyze Alex Coruso or break a bone or whatever, but also you play the sport long enough, you know there are some actions that are reckless and dangerous, right? Maybe not with the intent to injure, but you know that's not cool to do. And that's the line that we're talking about here with this play apparently according to hockey people

that yeah, he didn't work up in the morning and said we kill that guy but there's also like you flailed in a way that you knew could be dangerous such as a patria play right you're shooting and I'm in a step right underneath you it doesn't look like anything but when you land that ankle snaps is terrible Jessica and Lucy have spent the entirety of this segment Winsing and cringing and making horrific faces and it's all deeply unpleasant But I'm I got to be honest with you whenever I watch hockey. I'm fearing something like this Right, but what you hope for is that people don't do reckless plays and what's not making this situation any easier There is an investigation pending on all this is Adam Johnson's family has come out and said that it was reckless. So

when the victims family who are obviously grieving and being forced to grieve in public a little bit are giving voices for valing theory. That's why the mentions of pet grave, I believe, is his name are being flooded to the extent that they are. But then on top of that, you have race being invoked. There's also members of his team, though, that said that they didn't blame him for doing that. If, you know, it happening, being a freak accident or not, to me, it just seems like does prosecuting someone for this make the sport any safer?

Does it, you know, heal anyone? I can't say if his family feels like they want justice for it, then that does complicated. I agree. I just read a long article in the athletic about what actually could happen next about all of this. But to me, it seems like a lot of really disingenuous people are going after this guy at this point. And it just seems like a total freak accident. I watched the video. It's horrible, it's really horrifying. There are 8,000 people there, including a lot of kids who saw

abs, the most horrible tragic thing happened in front of them that could ever happen. And I just, like our blood lust for like make punishing someone for doing something that was an accident, like he did not, he clearly did not intend to kill this person. I don't think makes anything any better that was an accident.

Like he did not, he clearly did not intend to kill this person. I don't think makes anything any better, any happier for anyone.