The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Final Cey

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

Dan and Stugotz open up about loss, grieving family and more. Plus, Ron Cey was only 5'10 - why was he nicknamed the Penguin and are streakers always naked? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Stugots, I am legitimately quivery, not confident, not quite myself, I'm a little bit scared of how it is that we're doing this because it's not just my heart that is broken. It's all of me. I'm a bit short-circuited. It takes me 45 minutes to get out of the house because my decision-making is bad. I'm in a bit of a zombie fog. You know, yesterday was the worst day of my life and I fear that it's about to get worse because, you know, my parents had visitors from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. yesterday and that's a nice distraction. But the funeral service is generally when people are grieving, it's 10 days later that I try to check in with them because the parade sort of moves on,

life moves on, people get past the shock and get to other things. And I was deeply moved I was deeply moved by an overwhelming outpouring from people yesterday who don't know what to say. So it's some form of condolences, thoughts, prayers, but they know I'm in a certain kind of pain because I've lost my only sibling and a connection That I've never had before and will never have again. It's the only it's the only kind that I'll ever have So when people try to say that his spirit will live on it It will I mean he's painted the city. It's on the side of buildings. It's on cruise ships like my brother painted the city. His spirit will live on, but in the in the pain of today, I'm lost. And like I told you yesterday, my wife doesn't think I should hide and work. I've done that on my life.

It's what my parents taught us more than anything. You know, exiles get too free to them by working. I'm on the opinion that worked killed my brother, that it was the paints. He had no reason to have that kind of cancer. There's no, there's no precedent for that in my family. It's the way that he worked, like a lunatic, because he did it the hardest possible way, so much braver creatively than I am.

There's no health insurance or employers in trying to make life as an artist. And once he got to being able to do it as a career, he was so grateful for it that all he did was work until he expired too soon. And I know that because of the daily repetition of what it is that we do around here, you lost your mother and you and I have talked about you feeling like you never got to properly grieve that, that you immediately still haven't, yes.

That you didn't sink into it, that distractions were easier than being able to actually spend time inside of the pain and learning about things that need to be learned that can't be taught merely by living. Like when when people die on you that you care about and that loss is forever no matter how many people come with condolences and tell you that the spirit lives forever. I cannot talk to my brother anymore. I cannot say anything that's heartfelt to him anymore. You didn't feel like you properly got to grieve your mother and we immediately went to jokes. We did. Listen, everyone grieves differently, Dan, and so even with my wife, because she said the same thing, why are you going right back to work? And I said to her, I just want to laugh. I want to

be around people that care about me. And that was very important to me at the time. I'm not certain I did it the right way, but it was my way and it did kind of help me through a very difficult time just being around you, being around the show, working, having something to do, not left alone with my thoughts. But again, I'm not certain I did it the right way because I'm not certain I have grieved her death correctly even three years later, but I could tell you that work and laughter did help me get through a very difficult time in my life. The number of people who care about you in these instances is truly touching. And I suppose that it's some kind of soothing and solace, but it really does feel like putting a bandage on cancer.

I will tell you, my brother was a life force that was giant. Even in the hospital in his last days, like he was, my God, his wife, Brenna, such a pillar. May we all have people who take care of us at the end like that. My brother's body, the lower half of his body did not work for the last six months of his life. He was bedridden. He could not get out of bed and he was in a great deal of pain all the time. But being inside of that love,

knowing that the days were numbered with his wife, he did an art exhibition in the hospital where the hospital where nurses and doctors would come over. And I can't, I can't explain to you how rare a person has to be for doctors to come in on their off days with their children to paint with him or doctors who have stopped treating him to continue to come back months later. There is not anything that is going to heal that for me today. They say that time will heal that. I'm not totally sure of that because what I've had on me for a year is a borrowed sickness so profound that I feel it physically on me all the time. And now I miss it. And I don't want to make this, like I don't want this to be the show we're doing. I don't want to be Macabe about this.

I don't want to be modeling about it. I don't want to be out here crying ever again. Dan, you can make this whatever you want to make it. The audience understands, the staff understands. If talking about this into a microphone with us around is something that's cathartic to you, then that's fine, no one's gonna judge you here. I just want people to know him

and I don't feel like I could do that in a day, in a eulogy in 10 minutes and a month, because this love is not something that I've ever felt for and I'm not going to get to feel it again. I don't you know when you hear A piece of me is missing. I don't know what the greatest sibling connections are supposed to feel like for everybody and I don't know what I don't know spiritually. But being with someone for half a century and being with him in a way that I raised him like my father is emotionally limited and I was four years older and so I was his older brother but I know, in some ways I was like his dad. And when I see my parents suffering the way that they say that human beings will feel

no greater pain than the loss of a child, I feel like a part of me is just missing now and it's not missing temporarily that it's gone forever. You remember at Pat Tillman's funeral that his brother was drinking and was like bothered by all the mythology around his brother and was hardened by life and the grief of that moment. And he said, don't tell me about he's in a better place. He's just dead. He's just dead. He's gone. Don't talk to me about those things.

And I want to believe in those things. I feel something on me that I've never felt before, but this is faith rattling. Like it is, it is doubt soaked on, on something that I never imagined, a grief I never imagined having to feel. I don't know how many of the folks in our group many of the folks in our group have thought, consciously thought, of someone younger than them that they love dying. I don't know why I was such a fool as to think that this was going to go in some sort of proper order. How I could be so dumb as to think, well, I'll bury my parents and then my brother will bury me

That's how that one that's how that one's gonna go and so now you wake up in the morning and Strange that you evolve people would think like that. I mean But that's the way most people think Dan. I it it it it it I mean I don't think that I've had a larger blind spot than this like it It's just not something that I could conceive. And then to watch in horror as the biggest life force I've known gets weaker every day. But it's fighting his ass off because he doesn't want to go because he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to go because he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to, you know,

leave behind the love that's in his room because I told you yesterday that there were moments of such profound serenity and beauty to see Brenna in that room next to my brother's deathbed, a bed that he could not get out of without the help of three people. To see her embroidering and listening to music and just super present in their love and not needing anything else in the world because life had gotten so small that that was enough and that there was serenity in it. I could see the beauty in it, but then it was still alive. Like, I could talk to him. He was there. It was, it was a torso, this disease that my brother was diagnosed with late stage cancer a year ago.

He wasn't supposed to get this far in the process. And he was so weakened by it that the antibiotics, the pain medicine, the chemotherapy, the medicine, the cure, ends up being as harmful to the body as the disease. Because cancer doesn't kill you, right? Cancer is not the thing that kills. It's the infections that come after the cancer that killed. But Dave wanted, because you and I spoke as this was going on, Dave wanted to fight, and I think he wanted to fight to have moments with you, to have moments with his wife, to have moments with your parents, and I do believe, Dan, and whether or not you're going to take solace in this or not

is entirely up to you. But when my mom passed away, my mom was in a lot of physical pain every single day. And so I guess the solace I took in her passing away was she is no longer in pain. I don't know if she's in heaven. I don't know if that stuff exists. Nobody does. But I know I felt some relief that my mother, finally, did not have to deal with the daily pain that she was dealing with.

I found not just solace, but profundity and illumination. I told you yesterday that I was able to speak with him very closely to his ear as he took his last breath before the machine flatlined and it did not dawn on me even with the pain medicines and even then everything that was going on with his suffering and the amount of pain that he was in. It didn't dawn on me the peace that you're about, until I looked at him after he had taken his last breath, and he looked so much more peaceful than he had for the entire year that I had to witness his deterioration because he was done. Yeah, that was the only solace I could find there that he was no longer in pain

and he no longer had to fight. But I'm not gonna keep the whole show here and I'm embarrassed that I've done this again. But just know Miami, because this is the local hour, just know that how much you meant to him is a city and that my family felt everything it is that you were offering us yesterday as a city that cared about him and that is painted

colorfully by him in a way that can't and won't be forgotten. Don Lebertard! by him in a way that can't and won't be forgotten. Don Lebertard! Pant, cheer that type of stuff. Tom Brady went down with a kill. He's the only time he got hurt in his entire career. And I was fist-pumped in my living room at home because the judge finally had a chance to win a division. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm not going to apologize for that. I'm sorry. I'm not going to apologize for that. That is one of the most amazing sentences you've ever uttered.

Still gots. From the maker of Trust Me the maker of trust me. Don't trust me. Ha ha ha. Comes I'm sorry, but I'm not going to apologize. Ha ha ha. Ha ha. You are amazing.

Thank you. I know. You are a flabbergast in delight. You happen upon genius comedy by accident. Ha ha ha. That's my gift. This is the Don Lebatar show with this two gods. You happen upon G is comedy by accident That's my gift. This is the Don Limita show with this two gods Dan I started to think about Lebo after the show yesterday and your parents and your entire family because

The way you did it we mocked you after you left was was a bit strange where I found out about the news when you turned on the microphone and revealed the news to us and so we had show to do and we got through the show and I realized after the show that you had lost your your brother I had lost a friend, Mike had lost a friend, that your parents, who I texted with yesterday, no parent wants to, wants their son or their siblings to go before they do. And so there is a different feeling for what you are going through than what I went through with my mom who passed away from COVID,

but she was 73 years old at the time. Your brother was 50, but I started watching these videos that we were tweeting out on our feeds of your brother of some of the times he came in the studio and And it kind of dawned on me That you guys were so opposite because every room that Dave walked into Dave was the coolest guy the second he walked into that room He became the coolest guy in the room and I have no doubt. I'm the opposite of that You're the complete I mean Roy would doubt I'm the opposite of that you are the complete I mean Roy would know I think Woody would know as well you are the complete opposite what oh

Dan is the least cool person every in every new walks into that's a harsh critique I would say that's because you're in that Yeah, that's true, but Dave Dave had a swagger. Should I be here? I don't know why you're here. Dave had a confidence. Dave knew he was the most talented guy in the room, probably the best looking guy in the room, and certainly the coolest guy in the room. And I have no doubt that when Dave, whoever the coolest guy or the coolest person in heaven is, they were replaced by Libba yesterday, okay? Cause he's strolled in, you know, he had a paintbrush,

he was doing this, he was doing that, talking some smack and instantly he became the coolest person up there. But I do marvel at how close the two of you were knowing how opposite the two of you were because you, my friend, you're talented, but you ain't Lebo. I mean,

it's the guy's top five coolest people in heaven. You got a list? Oh. I mean, Lebo's number one. I gotta think about this. Yeah, second. Yeah. It's got,

David, David, sure, yeah. Yeah. This is a top five list. I never thought I would construct. I am happy to do it. I'm putting it together right now. But I had trouble. You were born to do I had trouble focusing Dan. I'm telling you I was taping with Billy after the show We're talking to Ron say the penguin and I could not focus. I know it's a weird sentence, okay?

But I could not focus on Ron say full. I'm talking to Ron say Ron say deserve better I got to be honest with you. I gave him nothing. I was just floating in and out of the interview. The penguin definitely deserves better. But I will tell you this. I did find a second there where I was completely focused on the penguin. And I pitched them a podcast idea. Final say. And I offer because he is all after news on FS1. He's got no time for relief pictures starting baseball games. He hates it. Okay. What happened to Fernando Valenzuela? I mean, nine innings every three games. Rod say said and I said, you should do a podcast called the final say. And I

offered to co-host it with him. What say you? Oh wow. So he was not a fan of the opener. No, no. But once I locked in and got engaged, would say we were good, but I was floating in and out of that interview.

Because I just found myself thinking about what you were going through, what your parents were going through, and top five coolest people in heaven. Say what you were going through, what your parents were going through, and top five coolest people in heaven. Say what you need to say. Say it eight, so. Sammy Davis Jr. Whitty.

What a weird thing to say. Coolest people in heaven, you know, we're talking about, like, you know, presumably the coolest people are still with us, right? So who's coolness stands the test of time? Sammy Davis Jr. for Meclive. Jesus. More than Jim Morrison, more than Jimmy Hendrix. Jim Morrison is excellent. Jerry Garcia. I mean Bob Morley. Jerry Garcia, you go with Jerry Garcia on cool. We seem to be stuck in music. I mean Bob Morley's Jerry Garcia you go with Jerry Garcia on cool. We seem to be stuck in music

Yeah, I mean what do you think's for being the most awkward thing on this show today? Well, how how awkward was that first segment for a shipping container that includes Brad Williams who's performing at the Danya improv Miami improv that's okay. That's a fine. I got an email yesterday I got an email yesterday. Fine free this one I got an email You don't have to pay it. I'll pay your fine. Yes, you got to pay the fine Miami and probably a little kid. I don't have cash though It's in Dorao What are the details on your Miami improv appearance Thursday Friday at the at the the Miami improv in Dorao five shows detail stand up.

Whitty, why are you here? What are the story? What is the story behind you? I'm happy that you are here, but it kind of fell out of the sky. You haven't been here in many months. You graduated to a big time Apple job. You're now covering the biggest athlete in the world and the biggest story here locally and it feels for a long time now like you don't have any time for anything that's around here and as I see you I'm I'm getting emails among all of the condolences I got emails yesterday that the people at WFAN were complaining on air that Stugots was indeed a last minute cancel yesterday. He was supposed to do the Monday show on WFAN

and it made me think of why it is that you left here because you no longer wanted to. Last minute cancels. He looks alive, I mean. He looks so much fresher now that he doesn't have to deal. That and the makeup artists, you guys got to makeup artists. This is incredible. I mean, life has changed significantly.

I've actually been at the Elser the entire time, doing some work behind the scenes for the last four months, and I was summoned from my dungeon. It was an actual summon. It was slipped under the door in the dungeon here at the Elser, and I popped up, and I felt like a friend, and you need a hug today. I haven't had the chance to give you,

I would like to give you a hug today at some point. Just because I feel like we all, as a collective, need to be emotionally there for our friend. Only one watch for Whitty today, which was kind of weird. I've been a two watch kid. I've been knocked down by the superior, no, I just decided I'm only going in my Apple Watch

as a company man. Jessica, why did you make a face at Whitty and I've missed that face that you only seem to reserve for Whitty? Why did you make a face at him saying that he wanted to hug me? He just says so many strange things. But I bet you liked living in that dungeon, you little weirdo. I did. I did. I love a dungeon.

I just sort of read every day, I read some books. Check out what's in there while he's here. How awkward was that first segment for you guys? Because I really I I need to move away from some of this subject matter. I'm going to drown in it if this and and ruin the show if I continue to do this. But how awkward was that for you? If you can't spill your soul the day after your brother passes away, then when can you? I think it's part of grieving. I don't mean to have it turned towards me, but I lost a friend suddenly in December and Grant Wall.

We were supposed to record that night. And suddenness, which wasn't really a part of this situation because you've had a year, but even still, there's still a suddenness to when it actually happens. And the most bizarre thing is in the seven months sense, I lost my friend, it still comes up on me at random times. And you question yourself, is it like, am I doing this correctly?

Like there's a correct way to grieve, like Stugots was saying as well, is there a correct way to do this with my mom or with my brother or your friend or whomever? But there isn't really a correct way. And so if you wanna get things off your chest and expose the audience to who your brother was that maybe we saw a version of him,

we saw the version that was an incredible artist that didn't know sports, like we created a character around Lebo here on the show, but that's still an incomplete picture, at least to you. Suddenness has to be worse. It must be for people who grieve on not being able to get to say things and just having the finality arrive without warning.

That has to be too. If I had been blindsided by this, it would have been so much worse. Like I couldn't help but see in front of me every day that this was coming, that this was often the distance, and yet still somehow I find myself all the time and have found myself all the time for the last year feeling like it was happening to someone else like it wasn't actually real that I had disassociated or coped or however it is that one has to arrive at this isn't actually happening this can't be so. I tried to tell you throughout the process to be grateful for the time that

you had with Libot. I know that you were grateful for that time and I know you said a bunch of things that you wanted to say. He probably said a bunch of things that he wanted to say to you and to his parents and to his wife. I was not afforded that opportunity. That's why I was on you so much about spending as much time and saying as many things as you need to say to Dave before he passed away. I could not do that with my mom. I hated that I could not do that with my mom. I had to make decisions on behalf of my family

for my mom that I don't wish any kid ever has to make for their parents, for one of their parents, for anyone in their family. I was a very stressful time and what I missed the most and what bothers me the most, and we shouldn't do comparison shopping here, but I am glad you had that time because what I would not give

to have even 15 minutes just to talk with my mom before she passed away. And like you, I talked to my mom, I talked to her on the phone, she died of COVID, I could not go see her, but I talked to her on the phone. She died of COVID. I could not go see her. But I talked to her on the phone right up until her last breath. And, man, I just wish I had the time that you had that you were afforded and I'm glad I'm happy for you, Dan, that you took advantage of that time. Because I know you and Leibault over the last year, especially

the last few months, probably said some things to each other that needed to be set. If I could offer my death bonafides for a second. Having experienced both types of losses, one of my best friends died when we were 19, very, very suddenly, and having watched my mom essentially dying of cancer for the last 24 years, both are bad. You don't have to be, you know,

comparison-shopping the types of grief. I think that it's good to feel grateful for the ability to say goodbye because I think it does offer a type of closure that you don't necessarily get easily when someone dies suddenly, especially in an accident or in a way in which you can't really ever see them again. But everyone has their own process, everyone has their own way of handling things. It doesn't matter how it happens or when it happens, generally when people close to you die, it rocks your world. I would say though, while we don't need to do comparisons, I don't know what's coming for me next, but wherever it is, the stages of grief reside mine because of I

Of getting that last year to speak to him cleanly and clearly will have no guilt and To not have guilt after finality I Know that it comforts me to know to have the confidence of the, even while I have no idea what's coming next, that I'm not going to have guilt, that there was something left unsaid, undone, that I didn't apologize for, because I did have so much time to express myself and receive his forgivnesses for things that I got wrong. And to see everything that happened yesterday, if you just reminded me about me and Eden Arya, you know, I lost my daughter. We were lucky enough to have six days with her.

So the agreement process was a bit different. We knew what was going to happen when she was in room. We were grateful to have those six days with her. But I mean, what I want to do to have at least one minute just to see her one more time. Brad Williams at the Miami Improv this weekend. Take a still available, everybody. I'm out of boy. Don Lebert Hard. Mike Marty shot in Heimer past away still got I don't know how to say that

I was not excited I was not excited I was not excited Unbodies merely pointing out that a browns legend has to hold on And maybe the greatest coach to never win a Super Bowl Okay, wait a minute. Let's just everybody let's settle down That's all I down here. This is the down lebertar show with the stugats I am laughing here with stugats and at Stugat because of just the general absurdity of there being no discernible market for Ron Say Talk.

Like, I don't know who he's doing that for, unless he's paying 70, 70 year olds are downloading podcasts just a year radio show Jessica Tony can you please tell me if you have any earthly idea do you want to guess who Ron say the penguin is well after stegas mentioned him for the first like six times on Monday I figured out he was a baseball player but he kept calling him the

penguin so for a few minutes like that he played for the penguins. I thought it was a baseball player, but he kept calling him the penguin. So for a few minutes, I thought he played for the penguins. Oh, thank you. I thought he was a hockey player from like 1950s, I don't know. He was a dodger, correct? A brand I would say that Ron, saying physically has your build. He's four foot four.

Oh, wow. What? Why is he not a Hall of Famer? He was called the penguin because the way he ran was like a man who really had to shit and needed to find the nearest bathroom. That's how my people run. Wow. He might be part dwarf, we don't know.

Ron say was super small, I don't know, not for four small, but he was, he was, he was super small. He was super small. I would also argue and then listen, there are certain people when they're presented to me, they put a smile on my face and I have to say yes. And Ron say for me growing up was one of those people. He's just a legendary baseball character and that infield, I'll maintain that might be in fact I'm gonna say it did I bet you doesn't hold up numerically I bet if we look at best infield of all time wow a lot of people were saying that but I imagine that if we look at the reference numbers

the way that the advance metrics are done now my guess is it probably doesn't hold up all right we're saying that ron say it was a very small man ron say it was five foot ten All right, we're saying that Ron say it was a very small man Ron say was five foot ten Oh, that's a lie That's not that is not in any way true. That's how no how is that supposed to make me feel then fake news That is not true it isn't so I mean Says on his bio five foot ten He does not he does not know the struggle He does not know the struggle. I mentioned advanced stats to God.

This is not an advanced stat, but I was fairly amazed when it is that I saw it. Perhaps I should not have been given the kind of season that he had in 2004. But there is a stat on Barry Bonds that I can't believe and I could believe just because he was so ridiculous that year. Do you realize that if you went two for five with a home run and a single in every game that you played in a season, you would have a lower OPS than Barry Bonds had in 2000. Come on. If you went two five in every game, two for five, right, with a home run and a single.

You would have 162 homers. That is correct. You would have 162 homers. That's true. You would have 162 singles. You would, that's great math by you. At least 162 RBIs, dude. What a season.

Still would have lost to the angels in the World Series. And at least 200 hits. That stat is from Thomas Carrier. I did not invent it. But speaking of baseball, last night, the Marlins, on a day of great enthusiasm, when they're going all in on, we're trading for sluggers, we don't care if they get on base, we are scrapping the plan of just being people who go on base and no power. Let's get a couple of guys who have power, but no on base percentage. They're winning

one nothing in the ninth because Sandy is finally sandy again. You're playing the Phillies. You're trying to get into the wild card race. I believe the Phillies are better than you are. That's not a shocking statement to make, but you're making some trades because you're going all in. And then David Robertson does David Robertson things becomes the modern day heath bell. and then david robertson does david robertson things becomes the modern day he fell the cost it up we're gonna go out to marlin's park where billy and chris kody are in a second

i don't know why they're both both there it's before ten o'clock in the morning credible gig for them they get to play in a celebrity softball game i think i heard i'm turned it down who who who gets to leave work to go play a celebrity softball game? I think the rest of us turned it down. Oh, that's your question. But the thing that happened in yesterday's game that I had not seen happen before and I salute the Marlins for being the first major league team to produce the following a

Strieker got away from security what climbed over the center field wall and got away and you can see him running through the corridors and He escaped. I don't know if security was a sleep lacking They chased him initially. It didn't seem like an indifferent security team but they were unable to catch the striker and the striker then just fled through the con course an incredibly long run by the way that ballpark is so so lazy so large that I found myself in the middle of his running saying to myself that if I'd been running that long I'd just been like you know what arrest me now. I don't want to keep running the rest of this concourse It's an enormous labyrinth cavernous labyrinth to nowhere you would just stop turn around did you put your hands out?

I'm just like put the cum song come on But I haven't seen happen before a striker get actively get away. Was he wearing shoes? That's your question. Important thing for a striker. That's your question. Yeah, you got to have sneakers on to be able to cut

and do stuff and do a video. I thought about this. Low traction, yeah. Maybe a couple times, but it's also the perfect crime and I'll tell you why. You somehow break through, you get past security, you get up into the corridor, you got a buddy who gives you a bag, you throw some clothes on.

I saw him go that way. Take off. Oh, you got to change it gives you a bag, you throw some clothes on. I saw him go that way. Take off. Oh, you got to change it clothes, you got to change it clothes, you throw it on because the only thing that identifies you is nakedness, but now you're wearing clothes, you're good. He's done like an ocean six and a half inches on this. Hey. Forgive me, this is not a streaker. I guess when nudity is always involved with this, if I'm calling it a streaker put it on the pole juju at Labatard show does one

have to be nude or partially nude to be considered a streaker because I don't know what are they otherwise what's the what's the nomenclature for clothed streeters a runner trespasser I think field invaders what they call them are like pitching Vader. Yeah, pitching Vader is the thing in the UK field invaders sounds like a great nickname for an infielder. It's quite next to Ron say. Yeah, Ron say and the next to him is the field invader.

It's a good movie poster. Interloper was nomenclature necessary there? Yes, it was. Chris Swittingham is a fancy land. back. You want me to go identifier? No no mink creature was the right word there. What's the no mink creature on on people who run on to the field because I think Tony was sort of going down a path of this guy was naked. This guy is fully clothed. What do you call people who run on the field? Yeah. What do you call people run on the field? No, but I'm

saying I know, but I'm saying, Oh, you could have said that. What's the nomenclature? That's briefer actually. It's the right version. Or efficient. The Marlins went all in. The Marlins traded a left handed pitching prospect

to get power guys, one of whom is under contract through 20, 28 and immediately lose in the heartbreaking fashion of our ace looks like our ace. He goes eight inning shut down, shuts down a Philly's lineup that is strong, even with Bryce Harper struggling. And yet at the end, the game gets coughed up. I hate what they did last night because you make these big deadline deals and you want to show them off to the fans. When Sandy's going the way Sandy was going last night, eight innings, he gave up four hits, five K's, like let him go. Let him finish the game.

Ron say would be outraged. I mean, I'm serious. All five foot ten of the shortness of Ron say. I'm telling you that's angry. That dude was not five ten. five foot ten of the shortness of ron say telling you that angry that dude was not five ten five foot ten we looked on three different three different stats that Brad you cannot believe that ron say was over compensating because he felt like he was tiny in that infield especially standing next to Steve Garvey whose fore four arms were bigger than Ron set. And I'm telling you that he and his people, what do you mean his people? Are there a lot of 510 penguins? Emperor penguin maybe, I don't know.

Stugots your mitts. 300. Dan, hold on a second. I've got news Steve Garvey also 510. That's not No way, that's just not that's not widely like a pink room. No way. It's not 510 185. I don't know It's simply nice. How did they survive being that little in a big man's game at 5 foot 10 was Davy lobes The smallest guy in that infield. I mean, what did infield by the way? Bill Russell, amazing. I used to go out to him. I'm promising you that that does not hold up as they...

David Loeb's five-nine. What? He was sure that the penguin. Ha ha ha ha. Where's Billy? Get him on. I mean, there is no way that that holds up as the greatest infield ever that's what they were calling it in nineteen seventy nine is this a mandela effect

thing where everyone just thought ron say was short and but he's not because he's five foot ten i need to find an authority now i just saw uh... to baseball reference dot com has a miss five foot ten tim kerchian was just on uh... my television and the second item on his resume that they put up Every time someone is talking is has covered baseball since 1979 That was the second thing it said on the on the screen Can we just text him or call him and just ask him off air please was Ron say in fact? I'm gonna do this right now was ron say indeed five ten

haha the dwarves are watching you then that ron say had a he really did have an incredible career for someone who's five five i mean he really did he had years where he hit thirty homers at a hundred and ten rby eyes like he had three hundred and sixteen career homers two seventy I think career batting average he was a heck of a player. I'm telling you a coach is going to fire back Dodgers infield certainly in his top five of all time. I can guarantee it. Good player. All right. Let me. They don't make them like they like they made Ron say they just don't make them like that. You know, you see. You can tell it was a friction with Steve Garvey because Garvey

was better looking. he was definitely taller. I don't care what baseball reference says. Okay. But Garvey was better looking and Garvey was the one who got all the love. It was not Rod say, it wasn't Russell, it wasn't Davey Lobs. Yeah. It's damn being fool, but like having watched this

as a kid and standard deaf and you don't have a perspective for how tall everyone is. Yeah, maybe the aspect ratio was off from scrunching your screen. Well, Dan's like six foot five. So yeah, of course, like five, 10 is very small to him. It's the way he ran. He waddled.

It was low to the ground. And I'm telling you that he was called the penguin because he had very squalty legs that do not belong to an individual that is 5-10. His legs looked like they were compacted by the squandest of his torso and his correct. I thought it was because he was trying to kill the Batman. I know.