The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Great Cream Cheese Debate

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

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This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugat's podcast. I always love when the morning starts with a little bit of a charge, Zaz. Like, a lot of times, we walk in here, everyone's kind of sleepy. Hey, how's it going? Oh, did you see the game last night? Okay, ha, ha, oh, socks, your socks are too low or too high. And that's it. Like, that's, oh, we're going to start the show now.

Okay. But sometimes someone takes out a grenade and rolls it in and, and I'm like, oh, We got ourselves a show to do it. So who did that here today? Oh, man. I just witnessed a shouting match, an intense shouting match, a sincere intense shouting match. I miss Sal's eating a bagel. Gregory P. Cody and Christopher Cody.

You know what? It's funny that you say that because as I was eating the bagel, I said, like I heard something between Chris and Greg, and I said to myself, man, I really wouldn't want to work with my father. Oh, man. Like, that's weird to me if I was short on to work and, like, I work with my dad, especially, especially in like a talent, an entertainment capacity. Me and my dad, it doesn't matter what we're doing. We would be arguing the entire time.

Right, I don't want to work with my dad. And if you guys think I'm sarcastic, wait until you see the title way that is my father of sarcasm all the time, all the time. And so, Chris. Like, does your dad find you funny? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't know if my dad finds me funny. I think, I think, no, he doesn't. Which is weird because he does the same jokes to me, and I'm like, wait, hold on.

But when I do it to him, he's like, you're overreacting or whatever. So that relationship in a professional environment, I don't think would flourish. Right, that's what I'm saying. But Greg and Chris seem to make it work week by week, but some weeks are better than others. No, you're right. I heard Chris, again, as I was going to make a big. bagel. I like bagel with good cream cheese. I like the regular cream cheese because at home my wife only buys the Philadelphia, the whipped cream cheese. I like whipped cream cheese is good and everything,

but here, see, I like making myself a bagel cream cheese here because here, what do we have here? Yeah, here they keep, it's the bar cream cheese. It's a great take. I hate whipped cream cheese. And that's the cream cheese I really like. Too soft. I like a little like. I want, I like thickness with my cream cheese. I want to have to work for it. I want that thing to almost break the plastic knife. Mike's got it. I hate that. I hate that. It's terrible to put on a bagel because it's such a laborious occasion. Every time you have to, you open up the foil. No one ever puts a foil back neatly if you're sharing.

You have to chop off like a quarter of it. And then you have to just like work the cream cheese. That's the good stuff. I don't like that. The thing I hate the most is when I put it on and then now it's ripping up the ground of the bagel underneath. That's where you just leave that cream cheese there. Go get more. I hate that.

You don't have to kill yourself trying to spread this thing. If there's a big chunk there, that's fine. I wanted to like the commercials, just this nice white covering. That's where the whipped stuff comes in here. No, no, no, no, no. Whipped is for cissies. Bar cream cheese just for making cheesecake. That's it.

It's for cooking. It's not for eating with toast. It's for putting on my bagel and enjoying. So I like making myself a bagel here. All right, number one, I'm Jewish, so I love bagels. You're Jewish. Yeah. And number two, they just taste great. So I like making myself a bagel here because I love the block cream cheese where they keep here.

Anyway. Wait, hold on. Do you put it on the pole. Block cream cheese or whipped cream cheese. I don't think you're going to like this. Block cream cheese doesn't exist. Guys, it's just another tub of cream cheese that just isn't whipped. But the block that you're talking about, that's butter. There is no such thing as block.

No, no, shut on. Okay, you don't get to talk to me. I'm also Jewish. I know about cream cheese and bagels, okay? The block cheese that comes into aluminum foil. The bricks of cream cheese. What are you talking about? You're so wrong.

But that's being that's being packaged within the tub. I know what you're talking about. They can gross off a tree for butter? No, guys. Being packaged. It's a brick. Who is this guy? I don't know.

Some kid. Are you even Jewish? Oh, 100% Barrett's. Oh, let's have a Jewish off. Let's not. So I love making myself a bagel here because you got the block cream cheese. You got the thick cream cheese. So as I was going to make myself a bagel, I did, I did hear Chris.

he stormed in he was storming into this room into the main studio side and he was saying I'm about to go off on my dad well all right tant's your first question I do love working with my dad on our podcast on this podcast now I say that he does annoy the shit out of me all the time so like that's what I have to deal with but what you saw there was him mad at me that I didn't throw his topics on like because you know we both got here late today traffic was bad so I didn't throw his topics on the sheet when you know the topics he sent today were just Marlins, out of it. Dolphins, 2 and 0 in the preseason. He just looked at ESPN or whatever. Well, they're on, don't, he's even misquoting my notes. What I said was unbeaten in two games.

Unbeaten, whatever. No, not whatever. I mean, if you're going to quote my notes that you don't use, at least quote them actually. But it's just like, there was nothing there. I'm like, oh, this is good for the shit. It was just like, Marlins. What do you want to write an entire paragraph?

I'm writing my notes in three or four or five words. Just send a topic that feels like, oh, this guy's trying to think. If you think it's tough working with your dad, imagine working with your son. That's fair. This guy over here, I spend 20 minutes every morning, and it's early. It's not even light out yet. I spend 20 minutes every morning looking through ESPN, looking through Google. Really working ahead on this.

Coming up with good notes. And then I don't even, I send him to him. He doesn't even acknowledge he got them. And then he doesn't use any. So we get the show topics for today. Nothing here. Nothing from me. I was confused.

I said, where's Greg's topics? Thank you. And Greg said, I sent them in. I don't know what happened. And the next thing I know, Chris is in here yelling. Yeah. I mean, it was just, you're annoying. What?

Greg, it is a Tuesday. Do you have it back of my day, perhaps? Not today. Taking this week off. We're skipping this week. That's a whole other thing. He wants it to be a suey category, and he's done. Ready for it?

How many? One. Right. It's a one-man category. And the winner is. Yes, thank you. Could be a close vote, though. Because he'll throw a tantrum, we will make it a category with one.

I mean, I think it's a great category. That is funny. It was going to be none. I can't lose. And now the suey nominees for best back in my day, and then applause. I like that Chris makes it seem like Greg's topics he hands in are dolphins, Marlins, heat. That is what it is. Let me read them to you.

Please. While you're doing that, I'd like to issue a formal apology. I dug my heels in on it. They're not being a block of Philadelphia cream cheese. I know what you guys are talking about. It's just the wrong decision to buy it that way. with the aluminum foil wrapping, it's a crazy decision to make.

There's a tub that has the same type of cream cheese within it, but hand up, my bad. I dug my heels in because I was worried about my Jew credentials and I didn't want them taken away the way that, you know. That was a Stugatsy wriggle out that you did because you went from the block doesn't exist to, oh no, I prefer the whip one. No, no, not the whip.

It's still, you can get the block style cream cheese within a tub as well. Getting whipped is crazy. Conventional tub. conventional. When people close their eyes and they think of cream cheese, I think of the tub that Jeremy is describing. I'm the every man. The tub for juice.

There's the tub of the hard stuff. We like the tub of the whipped stuff. And then there's the blocks, the square groupers of the hard stuff, too, that are only good for Fetuccini Alfredo. Michael, I might have to divert from you now because I've always thought the stuff in the tub was whipped. No, there's whipped. There's one that has branded as whipped? Yes.

No, I take the tub stuff, man. And then there's the tub that's right. regular cream cheese. Al dente. I'll do the regular tub one. I won't do the block because the block, the block is harder than the tub. The block is basically rubber cement. You could fortify steel structures with a block of cream cheese. No, no, can't be. He actually did give me one topic that I should have put. Granted, I didn't put them on the board because we were running late. Like, it wasn't like I was like, these are crap. I feel like you're just reading these now. No, I read them. I sent them to you when this morning? No, early, but I ran late. That's why they're not on the board because I was running late. But then you, you're not on the board because I was running late. But then. you attack me with why aren't they on the board and I get defensive and it's like look it they weren't that good anyways that's really what it does kind of suck Greg

he hasn't he hasn't acknowledged that he received them he didn't no he doesn't it says red whatever I could look at my phone it says red 643 no response do you get red thanks dad I got emails yeah talking about a text I send you a text that I had emailed you might show no dolphins unbeaten in two exhibitions Super Bowl that's topic it's a good question keep going we'll get to that late Kane should be favored over Notre Dame they should be Continue. Some are saying that. This one I actually like,

Little League World Series should have a weight limit. What? Okay. He's not, okay. We'll get to that one later. I've got to that one for sure. Marlon's season, RIP. Okay.

Ooh. I wonder what that one would be, yeah. Chinese Robot Olympics are a farce. Oh, I like that. Chris, you made it see. He didn't read these. He didn't read these. I got the first.

I was late. I just said the real reason they weren't there. I was in shambles this morning. So Greg actually brought up. the operative question. Would you rather work with your dad or with your child? You guys all have younger children so it's not as clear

Zaz you and I have older children. Teenagers, yeah. I absolutely a million times would rather work with my dad than with my child. My child I would actually, like with my dad it would be an argument but I would know how to make a content and funny. With my child everyone would be like, you know, I think something's wrong

with the mean. People say that about me though on our show. But there more than just an asshole? After the robot to a Was there more? That was all of his topics. There's a couple more. He's selectively skipping the ones that... See, it's just kind of headlines.

NCAA punishment, a wrist slap to Michigan. I will be honest. I got my topics list right here that gets printed out from me every morning. I don't have a single one from Greg. Yeah. That's on me. Because he was late. That's on me.

Ball went off him, coach. Heat, the team that national TV forgot. All right, let's start with that way. By the way, here's a picture of the tub of cream cheese that I'm talking about. Yeah, I like that. Okay. Yeah, that's good.

But that's original, not whipped. Yeah, okay. Correct. Right. So that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, but I'm saying the brick is not that. The brick is harder than this.

No, but the brick is. It's the same. It's the same. It's exactly the same. It's just more difficult for you to do it. He's right. It has harder walls so you can scrape it easier. Also, if you're real, you call it smear.

He's calling you out, not me. Yeah, look, I understand that's a Jewish thing. It's a deli thing called it smear. You're putting it on a bagel of schmere. Einstein Brothers tried to, like, capitalize off that by calling a smear. Whatever. I don't call it smear. I call cream cheese.

That's the brick I'm talking. I can't do the brick. It's the same material just packaged. Yeah, I love that. It just looks authentic. You say how it says Philadelphia original. That's the OG. Yes, that's authentic right there.

That's real. That's the OG. Philadelphia cream cheese. It's like liking different color M&Ms and thinking they taste different. It's exactly. They do. They do taste different. Look at five simple ingredients.

That's all you need. Yeah, and an ingredient, you don't need chives. Let's keep the cream cheese pristine. Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. Get the hell out of my life with these chives. Oh, I love scalyne cream cheese. No, no, no, no.

It's better than chisel, but not much. No, no, no, no. Just a regular cream cheese. What's wrong with the regular cream cheese? Nothing at all. No one's been, no one's ever eaten a bagel and a bagel and they stop mid, mid-bagel, and they say, man, you know what could really make this bagel better? Scalions.

I've said that. Scallion always makes me think a scoundrel. I don't know why. Like, if you like scalyon, I wonder what's happening there. Rap scallion? There it is. Oh, that would be a great rap name.

It would be. Oh, my God. It'll be great. Copy right. There it is. Try it on you. Look at that. Come on.

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No, no, yeah, I don't like my allies here. The King of the Borsh Belt. Stugats. I have the soul of a borsh belt comedian. I should be in the Catskills in 1945 opening for Shecky Green. That's why I was destined to be. This is the Don Lebatar Show. with the Stugats.

So, Greg, the team that national TV forgot. Yeah. It's amazing to me. Give us everything you got. Okay. All right. I get the reasoning, if you're a national TV executive. I get the reasoning.

When Jimmy Butler leaves in a hop after podcast. outing all year. They lose a big chunk of star power. They've struggled in the playoffs two years in a row. They're out in the first round. Last year, they lose by a record number in the first round. It was an embarrassment. I get that.

But it's still a major franchise that's won three championships. I'm just saying five. They're on TV five times on national TV. To put that in perspective, there are five teams that are on national TV 34 times. I'm just saying, are the heat? seven times diminished from the top teams in the league? If the answer is yes, that's sad. I just think, wow, this is how far the heat have fallen in terms of national regard.

This is what I would say, Greg. First of all, the national TV schedule, to add to your point, given that there are more national TV games now than ever before, between Peacock and Amazon and NBC, ABC, ESPN, there's going to be at a certain point in this year. national TV games seven days a week. We've never had that before. So for the heat to be on five times,

despite all of these opportunities, all of these at-bats, is pretty shocking. Having said that, when you look at how national TV schedules work, it's several things. They're truly great teams, but not just teams that we think are going to be great,

teams that have proven from a year ago. So a year ago, Oklahoma City wasn't on a lot, even though we knew it was a really good team. Now they're on TV all the time because they're the champs because now it's, they're cemented. The Houston Rockets got Kevin Durant. They're going to be on national TV a bunch of times. And then there's the old standards of wherever Steph Curry is, wherever LeBron James is, because all of these things are what audiences are primed to tune into. The heat, I don't think the heat are going to be bad. I just don't think audiences will hear Miami Heat and turn it on. And they don't think of all those things you're talking about, the championships and the illustre of years past. No, I agree with that, but this is what it also means to me. Let's see if you agree. The core, Tyler Hero, off an All-Star season, and Bam out of bio, that core, along with arguably and Norm Powell, along with arguably the best coach in the league, and arguably still one of the biggest names in an executive in the league, that combo doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't mean anything to the viewers. Right. I mean, that's the reality. It's if I say heat calves tonight, how much does that move the needle versus if I say Knicks calves or even Pistons Caves, right? Or Pistons Knicks, right? Because the Pistons last year had a kind of splash. And so there's a feeling like, oh, I kind of want to see where this is going.

There's nobody in or outside of South Florida. Splash. who wants to see where this Miami Heat thing is going. They won 37 games last year and played an uninteresting style of basketball. Why would they be on one five times? Again, I'm not arguing that only five versus 34 is a travesty. I am closer to lamenting the diminishment of the heat brand. Well, now that's a topic.

Yeah, that's a different conversation. I just don't think there's a foil here. I don't think that, There have been years where they're off of a finals appearance and you do the comparative shopping and you say, hey, that's not right. They're on national TV enough. Right. When's the last time the heat had the maximum national TV games? You've got to go back over 10 years ago.

Yeah, it has to be the little braund days, like the tail end of that. But I remember there was one year that they made it to the finals. They didn't have a Christmas Day game. We've seen that again with Indiana. Going to the finals no longer guarantees you the right to the Christmas day game. but they're right where they should be, I think. They are in that mix with the Kings and the Blazers. So how many guys know the actual answers to who's on national TV the most and the least and all that?

Oklahoma City is tied for the most. So I want to play a game with you guys. More or less national TV games in the heat. I like this game. Right? More or less, let's start with a nice easy one, a softball here. The Indiana Pacers. Now, Indiana Pacers obviously went to the finals last year, very exciting, fun style of basketball,

but massive injuries have made them less competitive, less desirable. So Indiana Pacers, more or less national TV games in the Miami Heat. I would say more, more, although close. Got to be more. It's more. It's nine. They're on nine times, right? Oh, yeah, I like this little music.

All right. Next up, Portland Trailblazers. similarly kind of struggling season last year but they did have an uptick they kind of moving forward I'm going less tie five

I'll side with Greg sorry they have more national TV games than the Miami Heat eight yeah I was going to say now can we admit though the reason they have more is because you got to fill that 1030 slot

There's only a handful of teams that can be featured because they're West Coast teams. That's right. That's right. Let's pacify ourselves with that one. All right. Let's go with the Utah Jazz. Oh, it better be less. The Utah Jazz. Come on. They're building. They just got Ace Bailey, who's one of the top prospects in the draft.

He doesn't want to be there. Mount West Time Zone Zaz. I have no idea what time that is there. I say yes. More. More games in the Miami Heat? I think so. Less.

Less. Mike, what do you got? Less. They are less. They have two national TV games. I wonder which ones. Probably San Antonio, so we get Ace Bailey versus Dylan Harper. Speaking of San Antonio.

More. Yeah, a lot more. 22. Yeah. Oh, wow. That makes sense. All right. Last one for you guys.

And this one is a familiar foil. You see them all the time. The Chicago Bulls. Them in the heat the last like three or four years, same number of wins. They see each other in the playing every year. They're in a major market. I'm going to go less.

That team sucks. I'm going to say market dictates much more. Yeah, I'm going to say more as well. Sorry, Zaz has it right. The Chicago Bulls are less with three national TV games. Surprising. So this is a bit of a meritocracy. Can you name the team with the least national TV games?

Charlotte Hornets. Got to be. Charlotte Hornets have three national TV games. Sorry, there's... Wizards? Wizards are tied with two with the Utah Jazz and two other teams. Or, excuse me, three other teams. How can the Hornets be on national TV three times?

A mellow ball. Who's the team that has the most that you're like, this seems not good? The most? And I'm like, they're... Who has too many? That this isn't going to be banged for the buck? I think Portland happens. I guess candidates.

I'm actually pretty good this year. Maybe Boston, but Boston will be good. Boston at 25, Dallas with 23, depending on... No, that makes sense. You want to see Cooper Flagg, even if they're not that good. I would say Philadelphia with 14 national TV games. Yeah. I don't know about that.

Does anybody have zero? No. Everyone has to be on national TV at least once. Is that a rule? Yeah. Okay. Oh, that's a nice end to the music. Or just a pity thing where they're like, all right, we'll give you all one.

Well, I mean, like, the teams do complain. It's funny. They complain when they're on national TV not enough, and they complain when they're on national TV too much. Oh, look, an NBA player does two things better than anyone else. Complain and not play. I'm not talking about the players. I'm talking about the team. Who cares the most about it, though?

Is it the front office? Is it like the C.O? Mostly the broadcast people, right? The money people, because when you're on national TV, and I don't know the rules now. It used to be like Turner had exclusivity. So if you're on TNT, that means your local team did not broadcast any. anything. And so while Jeremy might be like, cool, I got the night off, I can just go to game and hang out. The people upstairs are like, well, that's lost revenue for us because

if we hadn't been on national TV, we'd have been on broadcast TV and we could have made the money. I also would like to get paid, so I'm pretty happy that the heat have fewer national TV games. There you go. Keep Jeremy employed. That's an interest. I like it. The, um, I feel like Greg's topic got us off on a good start here. I like it. I'm going to be honest. I like it. Look, The way you made it seem when you walked in here, because to set the scene, he waltzes in here, and then he just yells, Dolphins 2 and O, Marlins, RIP. And I was like, in my mind, I was like, Craig, those are kind of like lazy. He had those, and that's, this is a running thing. This isn't one week.

Like, this is every week. It's a running complaint. You're totally in the wrong. He had some cool-ass topics on there, man. I wrote some of them down. We're going to get to them at some point. Robo Olympics is definitely good. Weight limit.

Look, man, this is like, man, this is like, man, this is so. Standard Levitard show fair. Probably offensive, the weight limit thing, but we'll get there. Yeah, it could be. That's that standard Levitart show fair. In kids fat now, we also can't play Little League. Kind of sucks. There's a kid in Little League who looks just like you.

I don't know if you saw this. What, really? Like on the series now? Yeah, someone posts us on Twitter. He looks like... Oh, so he's like an adult. That's why I have a beard. He's got like, but he's got like platinum blonde hair.

But it's not like dyed. It's like, you know, those kids that have like Targaryen hair? God, I used to have a great head of hair. Yeah? What color? Brown, like brown. Oh, okay. I want to see a picture of you when you went out of hair.

I will send one to television, yes. No, we got that. Was it like long or you had like a buzz? No, no, I had a good, full head of hair. Yeah? Yeah, all right, let me send one. And what happened? Like, why did you mean it like, didn't mean it like that, but like, why you look

terrible now? Respectfully. That's some bullshit. He said respectfully. He said respectfully. I asked as a question mark at the end. It's not bullshit then because you said respectfully. Yeah, it was respectfully put as well.

Yeah, it left the door open. Yeah. I didn't say you look like shit. Exactly. No, you just said, why do you look like that now? Yeah, it's a question. I took it home here. He said, why do you look terrible now?

I miss that. I don't know if that was. That's on me. Yeah. Don Lebertard. Doesn't matter anywhere. We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore, Eva. He said you could do it where?

Anywhere. Oh, whoa. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. He said he could do it anywhere. That's crazy, murder. Murder, tell him.

Stugats. I had no idea of me and had that in his locker. That might be his best. I'm not kidding. That's crazy, killer. It's two America's dead. You don't get it. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats.

By the way, Greg had another topic. These are all heavy Greg topics. No, I'm telling you, Chris, I'm not messing around. He sat down and he says to me, Why are there left and right channels on headphones? And I said, oh, because, you know, sometimes in stereo, they'll send some sounds on this side and some sounds on this side,

and together creates a richer experience than if they were just all coming out from each speaker at the same time. To which Greg rebutted, yes, but why does it matter which one's left and which one's right? And I was like, you got me there. Why is there an L and an R? I think it's because the way it's supposed to fit on your head.

There it is. I think for, like, AirPods, like, they fit in your ears. Sure, but what you're talking about these? I don't know why the cans. Well, what is my head lopsided? What do I, like, I need the big one over here because one ear's bigger than the other? What does that mean? I mean, the head is symmetrical.

You do have large ears. Okay, I do. I have Cody ears. But the head is symmetrical, as is the headphones. I just honestly don't get it. We all work in an audio environment, and many of us have been doing this for decades. Like, do any of you guys have a real answer for this? Well, like the head, like, your side of your head's not flat.

Like, if you look at your headphones, like, they'll, like, they'll, like, go out one way. If you put them on the other way, they don't really bend the other way. Wait, if you flip it, like, I think if you flip it, it feels exactly the same. These are, these are not that.

But there are some that your head's not, yeah. I think this is all a scam. It is a scam. It's like the Twix thing. Yeah. Which one do you like? The left or the right. They're different.

Twix? Yes. It's like a whole thing. They have two different buildings, the left building, the right building. Like M&Ms. Yeah. Green ones.

The green ones. See, they get to charge more for the head. headphones by embellishing them with the letters L&R. That's the whole scam. I've never seen headphones like when I'm shopping, like, oh, that one has L&R. They all do. That's the good stuff. They all do, because they're all in on the scam.

Actually, I don't think they all do now. No? I have seen, which makes this seem even weirder that some still do L&R because I have more. In fact, the headphones I wear on the Greg Cody Show podcast that you always make fun of because they're so big, those do not have L&R. I'm free to put them on however they want. You know what I think you should do? wear them the wrong way just to prove that there's no difference today.

You'll be really uncomfortable. Put the left on one side, the right on the other, and just, I think you take down big headphone today. I'm doing it right now. Yeah. I'm doing it right now. Feels great. Feels great. It feels great. Exactly. Not only that, I feel empowered. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, I am bigger than my headphones. You sure are. Yeah. You decided which way to wear that. You're not

going to live the headphones. You let Sony know. Hey, I'll pick. Zagaki. You got that right. Jack. So, Mike, the thing that you talked about, a lot yesterday. We're like, well, it's not the, you know, don't let the door hit you, whatever. Joe

Flacco, QB1. Everyone knew this was coming. Yeah. It'll be curious to see. I got one TV on mute that's locked in on first take to see how they make this all about Shador. I don't even know where Shador is on this depth chart. He's got an oblique

injury, but it was a pretty manufactured talking point, and I know the discussion is face of the franchise. The franchise QB when it comes to the bad faith debate show topics that we've had about Dylan Gabriel and he never had a shot really to to start week one for the Cleveland Browns was essentially a promise they made to Joe Flacco but I think that once Cleveland and their schedule is really front-loaded difficult once they start struggling this will be a natural talking point that'll have a lot more

merit come the season and that and that's fine and dandy I just hope that we're not exhausted by it But we're guilty. Look at the traction that our segment had yesterday. I will say, Chador has got an it factor about him. He's from a big family in athletics. Football royalty. He's charismatic when he was on the field for Colorado. Hell, when he was on the field for Cleveland in that one week, he was an exciting player.

So I get the conversation, especially as a recovering former Browns fan. I know the allure to the next hope at that position. It's very rare to have two rookies that garner that. Also, I've never known Cleveland to be a team that has turned against a rookie quarterback, but they've never had two rookie quarterbacks on the roster at the same time, and it seems as though the fan base is pretty much aligned. They are pro-lower draft pick in Shador Sanders, and they're kind of wanting to push Dylan Gabriel out the door.

That's just my read on the situation. So, Greg, yesterday we went through the Brown's early schedule. I'll read it out to you right now, week one. hosting the Bengals, week two, at Ravens, week three. Their first, like, five weeks are hard. Hosting the Packers, week four, at Lions, week five, hosting the Vikings, week six, at Steelers, week seven, hosting the Dolphins, right? So that's their first seven weeks.

So if I ask you how long before a QB switch happens. So Flacco is the number one for now. But given those first seven weeks, they're probably not going to be good. Right. Maybe one in six, maybe two and five. I think it could legitimately start 0 and 5. Oh, and 5. Yeah, I think it's quicker than that.

I think it's quicker than that. And meantime, I think it's a good thing for Cleveland and for the league that the anticipation of Shador's debut is really going to build. It's going to be something legit. Meantime, Joe Flacco's a pretty damn good safety net. I mean, he's one of the better backups in the league. I still call him a backup because he's not going to start after mid-season. But he's pretty good. Like, if I have Joe Flacco in Miami, I feel much.

much, much better about the quarterback situation. Joe Flacko's got to feel a certain type of way about the narrative around him, as if he didn't just prove the world wrong in that uniform two seasons ago. Now, he's up there in age. I don't know. You think he cares? What does he care? He was written off. The guy could barely get chances around the league. But that's the fate of a guy that age. That's Andy Dalton. That's any number of quarterbacks who used to be pretty darn good.

Russell Wilson is scrambling to still be a starter in this league. If you get to be that age, you really have to prove yourself every year. And Joe Flacco right now on some teams is the great veteran backup. It just so happens he's on this team. The Jets chose to have Tim Boyle on the roster over Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco took that and shoved it up people's asses. Right. Right?

And I think I get the excitement around Shador, but I would also get, and this is just between the years of a Super Bowl champion that is, again, May I remind you, won the AP comeback player of the year over a dead guy that came back to life. Joe Flacco should not be written off as casually as he's being written off.

Mike Ryan, the number one Joe Flacco defender in the world. You sound like a Browns fan. My dad just defended him too. I mean, all them good. He is good. Joe Flacco's good stuff. He's a good backup. I guess, Chris, is he too good to be Tua's backup?

Like, I'm with him on the, if it's through the Backup Prism, I'll give you that he's above average, but he sold Joe Flacco more than I would. This isn't a Browns thing for me. If anything, my Browns fandom, I always hated Joe Flacco because he was a quarterback for the Ravens. I hated all Ravens, hated all Steelers. I've softened on that stance a little. I still feel like a little poison to the Steelers, but that just may be Aaron Rogers related. That's Jessica Smetan.

At this point, it could be Jess. We'll talk to her about the Steelers a little bit later on. I think that as I approach 40 It's more like, yeah, come on old guy That's just rallying around the old guy He's inspiring you Yeah, just rallying around the old guy that people are writing off But I still hate Aaron Rogers and will actively write him off

It's a weird place that I'm in Do you guys have that where if there's an athlete who is your age You tend to like him a little bit more I got there Yeah, I got there I'm at that point now He's like Rich Hill Yeah

I mean, Dick Mountain, I was all about that. Who isn't about Dick Mountain? To Mike's point on Flacco, in that season that he just had with the Browns, had his only season ever where he's thrown for more than 300 yards per game. He won comeback player of the year. And what's crazy about it now in terms of a length of his game. It was eight, I believe it was. eight games. Let me look at that. It was only five games. It was only five games. It was eight games last

year with Indianapolis. But 323 yards per game in those games with this same franchise. And what's crazy about it now in terms of the span of his career, they open hosting Cincinnati here in 2025. He started his career in 2008 with the Ravens hosting Cincinnati to start the season. I think he has like a 50-yard run in that game. I'm not, look it up. Like Joe Flacko, sunset. Like a 50-yard run, his first ever start. I love the symmetry. I started my first game against the Cincinnati Bengals. Now here I am.

But there's a lot of consistency around Cleveland for, I mean, that's usually counterintuitive when you speak about the Cleveland Browns. There's always changing. There is consistency. Yeah, they're consistently bad. And it's a revolving door. But Stefanski's offense is still installed. then you've seen it done before by Joe Flacco.

So I understand, especially from the fan base, this guy is long in the tooth, let's get him out of here, let's see what we got with the draft picks, but Joe Flacco didn't cooperate with that narrative the last time out. Well, here's another possibility. Because of that tough opening schedule that you recited, they don't want to put Shador in a situation where he starts 0 and 5, right? He could start 0 and 5, and all of a sudden the fans who want to be on his side, are like, wow, this guy, he's struggling. We want flacko. You know what I mean?

So they're flipping that presumed narrative. So the Dolphins, is that the first easy game or is that the last hard game? Because the next games are Patriots, Jets, and, yeah, Patriots and Jets. People are just as high on the Patriots as Dolphins. If you're calling the Dolphins a tough game, you've got to put the Patriots in there, too. I think they're pretty equal in terms of expectations. They're pretty equal. So the Jets, that's the first easy game?

The Jets, I would think people would say is. And by the way, right after the. Jets they got to play the Ravens. That's a man, this is a crazy. When did they play bad teams? Raiders. Oh, there it is. Okay.

Colin Cowherd gave voice to the long-seaning theory. Jimmy Sexton, he's Nick Saban's agent. Nick Saban, Manning's, very close. Arch Manning, number one draft pick, Nick Saban coach. Where? Cleveland. No. Jimmy Haslam, leans on the Sexton's, leans on Peyton Manning.

No. Tennessee Volunteer, Booster. He laid it all out. That's a lot. He laid it all out. Look, as the host of a podcast with the word illuminati in it, keep your third eye open. I mean, Hazlm is super close to the Mannings. I get it, man.

But that's a lot of connecting the dots, man. I mean, he said it like, this is a known thing. I'm going to tell you right now. League circles. League circles. Well, I love League circles. Do you love League circles? I don't know.

I could do without League circles. Really? Yeah, whatever. Well, what's League Circle ever done for me? That's because you're on the outside of the circle Exactly. You're inside the circle. You'd love the league circle. Amin's in a league circle. I'm in the league circle. I'm in the league circle. I'm in the league circle. I know things. How many championship rings does Amin have compared to Zaz?

Well, how many gold medals does Zaz have compared to Amin? Same amount? The same amount? No. Gold medal winning. Right here. Zaz used to be in a league circle. Now he's out. Now he's outside the league circle. You got kicked out. But he can be in the battle court. Nobody got kicked out. Are there league triangles? Squares? Just circles. Just circles. In league circles, they say you get kicked out.

Yeah, that's what they're saying. I don't like that. I don't like either, Billy. I don't know what they're doing here. I don't like either. Mike was right. 38-yard rushing touchdown. The first touchdown of any kind of Joe Flacco's career.

I just watched it. It was a play action QB boot. He runs down the sideline, even like juke's back in to use a wide receiver as a blocker. How? It's like the slowest guy. It's like slow motion. It's unbelievable. I remember where I was.

Once you see that, you never forget. I got to take this thing for a walk. The Browns also play the Bills and the Niners out of, you know, in their schedule. This is someone at the NFL doesn't like Cleveland. Jimmy Haslam. Jimmy Sexton. Peyton Manning. Nick Saban, Arch Manning.