The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Last Real Florida Panthers Fan

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

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shadow show. shadow show. shadowing it. shadowing it. be careful, max domey. max, max, you've pissed off the wrong people. yeah, Jonah Gadjovich is gonna come out to you now. You dirty Domi, another dirty Domi in a long lineage of dirty Domi's.

It's all they do is dirty Domi. It's all they do. And so of course, what are they gonna do? Get Barkov's head. Dirty Domi. Roy, how mad are you that Ty Domi many years ago had a romantic night and spawned this devil boy not happy that was a dirty hit he probably won't get suspended for it but uh i've heard somebody say that uh if it was the Panthers on the other end he won't get he won't

get suspended no he's not gonna get suspended for that oh man that's kind of textbook i would anticipate a suspension we'll see i think Ekmanen is going to get away with his hit. That's unfortunate on, on Rodriguez, but that's it. There's so many examples as to why that is one of the more dangerous hits in the sport. This has, it's not like Hegel and look what Ekblad did to Hegel was really bad and head hunting, but like that is you're risking paralysis with a hit like that. That's why they're trying to eliminate that type of hit from the game. Your head goes into the boards with no

opportunity to brace yourself. That is a very, very dangerous play. So I do think that the league might actually do something about this. And Dmitri Kulikov's chicken wing on the back of Mitch Marner's head. Yeah I think he's probably gonna get suspended and that's also not the worst thing in the world. He's been pretty undisciplined this series and he hasn't exactly been playing his best hockey though he was on on the ice for the game winner in game three. I don't know Chris whether it's just you and me because it's early it's 856 in the morning okay but I think I saw you know sweep across your cherubic face pink from a

weekend of whatever you did calorically I feel like when he said chicken wing, you and I are just sort of swept up and that doesn't even sound bad. You said give him a chicken wing as if it was a bad thing. I don't have any pejoratives or negative connotations with chicken wing. If you give me a chicken wing, thank you. There are no bad chicken wings.

Every time. You're not a real hooper, that's why. You know that in hoops, you get a chicken wing to somebody's elbow, so get down the hatch every time when I get a chicken wing to somebody's elbow, so, yeah, get down the hatch every time when I get a chicken wing. See, this is the thing, but this is the difference between the thin people and the fat people in the room.

I think, you said chicken wings, and Chris and I just got hungry, I'm not even kidding. I haven't seen that smile in weeks, and I don't know why it's called a chicken wing. Is it just stupid? Is it just because? It looks like a chicken. Yeah, it looks like a chicken wing. Is it just it's it just because it looks like a chicken Yeah, it looks like a chicken. So it's like a flat instead of a drum

There's a bow that you can like really throw and then there's like the little chicken wing that you tuck out That you tuck out with some force that you're trying to be sly about it. That's a chicken wing. Okay, but I go drums only I know people feel some kind of way about it. Some people like just yeah, just let it be the Decider there, but I like a good drum, I'm sorry. I know that makes me maybe a little bit basic, but I go drums only. It's only a $2 up charge at Hole in the Wall. The problem with what Roy did there is that in hockey,

we're in the second round, man. This is going to be fun. Best of three here. And the champs, when they're down, they do that a lot where they never lose the third period. If they're up in the second period, they listen to the stat. If they're up in the second period, that's 25 straight playoff wins. Like they bury you, they strangle you, they're better at the big time than anyone else is. And so to see you guys buoyant,

when all I've heard for the last four years, if you tell me what are the criticized things on this team, it's Bobrovsky, it's Verhege, you guys have gone after Eklad, and you have gone after Barkov. Yeah, Barkov, like a couple of years ago, would kind of go missing during these playoffs the idea that they have a the idea that the Panthers have a goalie Who is now feared and can do that in that game where it's like oh 21 of the first 25 shots

Oh this there will be no problems here today. Even if it's one nothing. It's the way it'll stay No, Bobraski was good last night night but his defense in front of him was exceptional. Well but I mean they just took 21 of the first 25 shots. Bobrovsky, what are they called? High danger shots. There were seven of them. There were seven of them on Bobrovsky. Nasty little deflections too that are really difficult for a goalie to stop as we saw Joseph Wall in game three. There have been only a couple of times in my history in South Florida where there's been a thing like this that I know is champion, excellent, and can be for years. It's University of Miami football all the time, and it's LeBron, Wade, and Bosch.

Like, that's about it. This thing is excellent, and it'll strangle you. This is the Don LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Billy, I'm going to need your help here because I do not like the energy that has just arrived in the room. A careening Zaslow complaining about everything from traffic from traffic To employees who have days off around here. That's not true. You said Frankie's not available No, and as a result, I was stuck downstairs. I didn't know how to get up. That's all okay So ten minutes ten minutes late Zaslow is and he doesn't want to be late today because he's got the best team and it's So rare that you get to feel the feeling of

I know I've got the best team the Panthers might lose they might they might lose and hockey's funny And it's best of three and they're two on the road. So maybe it changes because Toronto's crazy right now. It's an insane place I wouldn't want to go back there But if I was going back there what I'd want to go back there is with the team in the sport that kicks your ass in the third period more than any other team i can do the math on it i can show you it like no one is better than them in the third and they lost one game in this series in the third and you will be lucky to do that again to them because this is where they're at their best it's empirical it's not made up it's not like oh they're clutch no they

strangle you late and they're deeper than ever and mike's gonna have to eat it on more shot on I I am mad at you man I am not pleased with you you should be very very happy you should be very pleased what we've seen so far this series at a sixty-three and the way that you're piling on on Brad Marsh and if everybody else in that room is good with him How are you not okay with him? You're not in the room. Yeah you I'm pointing yourself like you don't know I'm talking to you

It's a matter of you I'm happy. He got a deflected winner in game three He's been one of the more consistent players for the Florida Panthers just post season probably their best player Although he was on the worst line last night probably their best. Why Why can't you enjoy it? Excuse me, let me finish. He's talking about Brad Marshawn like he's Mike Marshawn, geez. So inside. Finish, I'm giving the devil his due quite literally.

Like he's been probably the best forward for Florida this series, and he's a gigantic piece of crap. But it's like you're mad if he does well. You know what I'm being attacked right now, and I'm the last real panther do you want the Panthers to win? Well, yeah, I love the Panthers I'm the only person here apparently who does love the Panthers because you guys are willing to just overlook atrocities And that's quite simply put they're called atrocities because he's committed atrocities against this franchise He will never be one of us. I don't care how many winners that he nets. I really don't. In fact,

What do you mean? Look at Luongo. Look at behind you. Luongo celebrating a Marchand goal. If he's okay with it, why aren't you? I went to the game with Chris Cody and we were jubilant that Florida had won again, deflected goal. I didn't really see who hit it and then I saw the I was here in the chatter in the Arena and I had to settle him down. I'm like look we won bad news is more Sean scored Everything that just came out of your mouth right now is a vomit you vomited all over that microphone. I'm very happy We won I'm very happy we won and I told you don't expect that if there is one franchise in the history of sports You do not expect to TCB

Wow, it's Toronto. We'll get back to you two in a second first breaking NBA news Yanis onto to cumpo is open to everything Everybody dance in the streets. You can get your team real good real fast Just get one guy and you know, you'll be good Photoshop season, baby I've had Yannis in a heat jersey Photoshop for so long What do you what do you guys gonna understand the NBA is the transfer portal like you just every office say like I don't want To be here anymore And they're like okay, and then they just resign you and you're back on your team Yannis is not coming to Miami

I will I will go out on a line and say he on a limb He's not coming to Miami you think he's coming to Miami Sass You think he's coming to Miami? Zazz, do you think he's coming to Miami? You think that Pat Riley's gonna get this done? He's gonna come to Miami? You think Kevin Durant's gonna come to Miami also? Is that what you think's gonna happen? Pat Riley says you're gonna make some changes. Do you think that's gonna happen?

I'm trying to get in a word here. Every time I'm trying to take a breath, it's a new player he's throwing at me. I'm just asking the questions because Pat Riley was up there and he said, we're not gonna run it back. Do you think they're gonna run it back? I think they're gonna run it back, not by choice. By necessity we're not gonna run it back Do you think they're gonna run it back? I think they're gonna run it back not by choice by necessity. They're gonna run it back

You think he's coming here. He's not coming here. Is he coming here? Is it my turn? Yannis gonna come here Kevin Durant gonna come here. They're not coming here. Are they they're not You know what? I think is the interesting thing though Like tonight's the draft lottery the team that gets the number one overall pick like do you just call up Milwaukee and you're like, hey, how about it? I love that you went to another transaction instead of the one we were already in, instead of addressing what was right in your face. Well, he wasn't letting me. But do you do it, Dan? Wait, wait, wait, wait. He wasn't letting me? He wasn't? Look, right right there you have your two-time NBA broadcasting champion Jonathan Zaslow Billy here and Mike are naysayers. They are people who are saying bad things about the heat

I gotta look Pat Riley speaking truths. I don't have been for stop gaslighting us We've been right for two and a half years And you're just gonna eat it and say they didn't let me? Like you either fit in or fit out, Zaslow. Unfair review, by the way, to jump on him for going one transaction over. When you started with Giannis instead of addressing the dog and pony show we saw on Friday. And he was on time also for the record. Fit in or fit out. They have challenged your heat.

They're ready. Look, man, there's blood in the water. We haven't challenged the heat. The Eastern Conference has. There's blood in the water. Kendrick Perkins says, Pat Riley, amount steven a smith pat riley get him out game is passed in by today's players are saying it out loud mike ryan and billy giller here

dot saying after fifteen years of heat basketball that they weren't satisfied with his apology the eighty-year-old man's apology last week about it was no apology where was the apology he didn't apologize he apologized he just gave us the same line said i'm sorry i'm not gonna apology last week. There was no apology. Where was the apology? He didn't apologize. He didn't apologize. He just gave us the same line. He said, I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize. He apologized the same way that Stu gots does. He failed the city, failed the franchise. Okay, there you mentioned that. Oh my God, they were in the finals two years ago. Yes, and since then he has failed the city, failed the franchise. I think that, I do not think

that the Heat are going to get you honest because of what I just said the team That gets the number one overall pick tonight They you could say they have the driver they're in the driver's seat for Yanis if is open to everything if you're Milwaukee You think Yanis is gonna go to Utah brother? Well, I don't know who's gonna get that number one overall pick. How do you know? Do you know who's getting the pick tonight? I know that even if Utah gets to number one pick tonight he's not going to you get that over to anything what San Antonio gets number one overall picks that's a different discussion but he ain't going to Utah if they get the number one pick

by the way San Antonio gets a number one pick the league is rigged well I mean come on that's a report we've known I'm putting my name on that one we've known that the league is rigged for a while put it on the pole at Levittard show I'm pretty sure that Jorge Sonano one time asked David Stern that on the air just like the way you did then and and Stern severed his head and threw it into the bushes. Sedano ran away as scared as I've ever seen a Cuban person. I was a real leader back then. I do miss David Stern. Okay so you're calling things rigged but I want this put on the poll please at Le Levitard Show, all one word.

He ain't going back to Utah brother. Brother, I'm sorry. Yannis ain't going back to Utah brother. You wanna make a million dollar bet right now? I'll make a million dollar bet with you right now. Yannis Antetokounmpo is not playing for Utah next. Two million and I'm in. Two million, two million dollar bet.

Yannis Antetokounmpo is not playing for the Utah Jazz, even money both ways. You got Utah. Ever, next year. Next year, his next move is not Utah. Tell DraftKings to start allowing us to make bets like this in person, on air, live, where we raise the stakes.

Three million and I'm in. Three million dollars plus 100 odds both ways. Plus 100? Giannis is open for business that's what's uh... breaking into uh... basketball playoffs and hockey playoffs zazzo i really am though if you're if you're gonna sit in that seat and you're gonna come late

and you're going to get stuck in the lobby frazzled and you're not going to be ready i know you're big espion radio the lobby. Frazzled. And you're not gonna be ready. I know you're a big ESPN radio star and everything, okay, but we've been doing this for a while and you're not gonna arrive here ready. What's gonna happen is you're gonna get eaten up by Billy and Mike. No, no. He wasn't late, by the way.

As soon as that opened, stopped, he was there. Shadow Show, that's another one of those Shadow Show, you come in, you come out. I'm just saying, like, in the history of South Florida radio producers, you three, you three specifically, are big personalities. And Zazzle just backed down and didn't bark around the heat.

I'm ashamed with the way that the morning has started for me. I'm ashamed that I walked in here late. You revealed to everyone that you're no longer a Panther fan because you're happy for Brad Marshawn's success, but it's okay You can ride the coattails of this franchise. I'm so I'm so aggravated with you I really am because we're in a chat and you constantly you crap on March and and I was in the same spot as you I didn't like the trade when it happened, but if those guys in the room you say he's committed atrocities

Yes, he hasn't been atrocity to you. Yes. He hasn't committed atrocities to you. Yes he did. He committed atrocities to the guys in that room. Sam, they're like best friends now. If those guys in that room are good with him, what does it give you any right to not be good with him? Sorry man, I love the crest. Who cares your opinion now? Sorry, I love the crest more than you do. No, you're saying you love the crest more than Barkov does.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Alright, well that's a thing to say. That's what I'm saying. That's a thing to say. Barkov's also a little too close to this We're gonna be honest with you We need to kind of see how this whole thing shakes out in the end because this could be like a double agent situation Mm-hmm. You know I mean we're tied to two in the second round. Let's slow our roll. Okay. We were better off last year

Were we not? Not we weren't yes got back to our game last night That really lasts for that's the first time that the Panthers have looked like the Panthers in this series. And I was very encouraged. Disagree. Second period of game three. Oh, sorry.

That's what it is. Yes, no, I agree. Yeah. Yes, but that entire game was Florida's best effort in quite some time. I'm happy 63 got going. That's cool. We'll do that more.

You know. That's biz. Some are saying the series hasn't started yet. It hasn't. The biz sound is my favorite of the weekend, just him just reacting to the goal. Anyone but him. You know?

It's kind of sad. I think I said that directly to you. This guy was jumping for joy. No, no, no. Marshawn had this guy jumping for joy. Betrayal. No, I was jumping because Chris was jumping, and I was jumping with him.

I'm like, hey, listen, settle down. Marshawn was the one that hit the puck and people are going to attribute this goal to him even though it took a nasty deflection and he didn't actually do anything except put it on. So you just were jumping to stay with you? Yes, I was staying with you and stabilize you and realize, hey, don't over celebrate here because what you're doing is actually in a front of this Florida Panthers franchise I very proudly bought my son a Marchand Jersey shirt last child abuse. Yeah, I was proud to buy it for him. You're gonna be so regretful

I'm calling DCS on you right now. You know what I'm gonna. I'm gonna take it a step further. I Love watching him play in that Panther Jersey, but you cheer for zoe, too Bet you forgave zoe the first second you could course I did right when you checked in that game Immediately, of course I cheer chump chump chump you put individuals ahead of the franchise, and I just don't do that I'm about the name in the front not the name in the back. God. Yeah, you really should be embarrassed with yourself You're embarrassing yourself in front of everybody. I'm sorry my team's tied to You're embarrassing yourself in front of everybody. I'm sorry, my team's tied 2-2.

In front of Billy, and in front of Tony, and in front of Chris. Hey Roy, I didn't see you there man. What's up? And in front of Roy too. I think now the debate is pretty much settled. No one loves this franchise more than me. Wow. No one.

Put it on the poll, does Mike care about the Panthers more than Barkov? Because he's lost his mind and we're in the second round. I care about them more than the late H-Wavy. You guys don't pace yourself. You guys don't pace yourself and this is what happens. I feel pretty calm. Look, I'm on to you. I'm on to you. This is what you do. What do I do?

I'll tell you. Remove from my Panthers? No. This is what you do publicly all the time because you're an action junkie and it's annoying, okay? It's annoying. You choose before we start on these things, you choose some side to take that will raise the stakes on everything and put you in a position to look bad, and when you look bad, because Marchand scores a bunch of goals and the Panthers win, you get to feel good even though you're publicly embarrassed

because who cares that you were wrong? They're just sports opinions. Why can't you love the way he's playing, which would inevitably infuriate Boston Bruin fans that you are enjoying Brad Marchand? Let me sidebar real quick with my ally over here. Ally. They're doing something. I don't know what they're doing.

Yeah, they're playing something. If they think that Barkov's gonna finish his career as a Panther, they're out of their minds. Yeah. He's a life- We're not falling for your tricks. It really is a thing to say that he cares more about the Panthers than Barkov. Clearly I do. Barkov cares about the money, let's be honest.

If another team was paying him, he'd be happy to play for that team. Let's not get that twisted right now. Mike is cheering for the Panthers, not just for free at a cost. Look, I mean, you wanna break it down, Barkov and myself, first job out of high school, both for the Florida Panthers

boom so I mean he doesn't have me there this Marsh on take makes Bruin fans happy how do you feel about that yeah what was that what was that was that a fine was that Siri was that Siri this is as low as phone was that Siri as I got Zazzle I gotta kick you out of here. Oh Oh, I just got here. It's not his fault Frank you isn't here. Did someone say anything? No, get out of here. Hold on a second. Just get out of here. Thank you Minor penalty. Two minutes stumbling I just deflected that like a Brad Marchand shot. I don't care how like big shot you're becoming at ESPN and ESPN radio Like stay on your game buddy. Like you can't just come in here sloppy and lazy and careening with all your Electronics we do a professional thing around here if you want to be around here with us at metal arc shape up

So now that he's out of the way you want to address the dog and pony show we saw Friday No, hold on a second. I will address that in a moment Because I don't want to move too far away from the excellence of this franchise that's giving us something that Canada wants to take. Like I can't believe I'm sitting here today looking at you guys and Verhage's got 30 post season goals. That's McDavid territory. That's dry-sidle. There there are like 40 dudes in the league active who have that many goals and that's for Hagee. Like they have such depth with so many guys who do a thing well that this is the best,

it's not merely the best thing that we've had in hockey in this town, that part's obvious. It's one of the best things I've ever seen in sports here and yeah hockey can happen and they can lose two of the next three and amazing amazing if Toronto, you know, gets to celebrate after that, God, that city would want this team so badly. That city is backpedaling from this team, and they've got two at home, because they know their history, and I just can't believe that that's the buzzsaw

the Panthers are, because in the third period, they're not likely to lose to you, to anybody. I'm wondering, Austin Matthews is the interesting part of this series so far to me. What do we make of him? Because he's playing well. He's playing good two-way hockey. Probably the best two-way playoff hockey

he's played in his career, but he's not scoring. A lot of missed shots, man. He's missing the net. He might be, he might actually be good. He's playing well in this series. He's just not getting the goals. I mean, he's reputed to be the best American hockey player. He's gotta be playing well in this series. He's just not getting the gold. I mean, he, he's reputed to be the best American hockey player. He's got to be better. You got to score. I'm with you. You got it.

You got a score. The Toronto media is having to go at him because he's actively avoiding Barkov on the ice. It seems as though that's Berube's strategy is like, get them on the ice with Lundell. Well, you're not doing anything against Lundell either. Who's a pretty good defensive forward in his own right. Yeah, Matthews is delivering defensively, so is Marner delivering defensively. They both, for them to have a chance in this series, they both need to ascend to the mean right now because they're not

counted on as like feisty third, fourth line checking guys. They're counted on to put the team on their shoulders and score goals and he's not doing that. I'm not gonna say he's played well. This is the type of crap that we'd go at Barkey for for seasons on end he is disappearing offensively how do you feel about the video behind you this is the Panthers celebrating together a marsha I can tell you exactly what happened there Lelonga was getting super excited and Bill Zito's like calm down it was more Sean but right there he's like you got a you know okay what about this after the game?

I don't care what you guys say of not being afraid. I don't care about the bravado, okay? When you're down 0-2 and the third one's in overtime at home, you're shitting yourself. I don't care how much you believe in your team and how much you know they're good late. One goal, one deflection ends your season. You're not coming back from 03. That's why playoff hockey is the best. Your entire franchise blueprint

lives on the blade of a stick. And chunky ice can make it deflect up. Someone can get a stick on it and there's nothing a goalie can do. Your heart's in your throat for, you know, 45 minutes at a time, it feels in real time. Like it's just the best. Conversely, you see a 40 point blowout,

credit to the Cavaliers for making it a 20 point game last time, but it was just, you know, this is the thing. And I'm not gonna pile on basketball too much here because they'd actually- It feels like you are though. They'd largely been bringing it, but like look at this, man.

Look at how good playoff hockey is. Every game is like this. Every game your heart is in your throat and you tune on TNT and you want to see like All right, cool. Let's do this on a man before you before your ass hits the sofa. The game is over Don LeBretard our panther group chat. We're confident against the lighting. This is a different team. You're a panther group chat No, I think no, but dude, you're you're so wrong on that We've been terrified of this team forever and I think there's a different energy where the Panthers they want the lightning. Stugats! I want t-shirts

made for this Panther run what could be this Panther run our Panther group chat we're not afraid of the lightning. That's a tagline for World R3. This is the Dunn LeBattar Show with the Stugats! show with the Stugarts. Can you guys forgive my ignorance on this and please tell me because there are any number of goals I've seen at the buzzer of a period, right, of a period where the ref's not even sure if it's a goal or not. How often does that happen in Vegas where, where the Edmonton own goal? Yeah, that that a goal would be scored with point four seconds left in the game and nobody would be sure like how often does

The buzzer beater happen in hockey three times in the playoffs Including that one on last night ever the night before she said yeah Remember this whole Panther run kind of started with not with less than a second But Brandon Montour equalizing game seven at boss in a series that you came back from down three one and basically equalizing at the death and then Swaggy calls game in OT the the Panthers being that from that moment is insane it's truly insane as an agency that got lucky to get in the playoffs. The story arc of this team and how you build success on top of momentums, like it is,

it's just a very cool thing to see roaring to life, something that even, yes I know, it could lose two of the next three games, but it has the ability to be this kind of excellent all the time. It's a well-run organization with a lot of players who care and a lot of players who like being here and a lot of players who respect the weirdness and like the weirdness of yeah this thing is more popular all over canada and elsewhere in the world but we put it

here and we can be anonymous a little bit but not anymore because these are now our people in our neighborhoods it's a it's an odd thing to grow in the swamp in south florida something this kind of excellent the anonymous part is so spot on because i was at ufc last month and you have all the celebrities who sit on the floor and they're on camera and everything and literally the road right behind me about twenty feet to my left was Sam Bennett and Aaron Ekblad just in the in the regular seats like me

drinking beers regular shirt no one knows who they are no one is bothering them but I love the idea of this was all so close to never happening because you could actually go back to the end of game five Marshand had a breakaway with seconds remaining and Bobrovsky makes the save to send the game to overtime the Panthers win game five win game six win game seven how think how close we were to all of this never happening if Brad Marshand scores on a breakaway that Bobrovsky winds up saving. Thank God he's a crap player.

You don't get to win today on this one, Mike. Let's play this video on Mike's face here and put it in all the videos behind him. Oh, see, your whole line was incredible, but big- Yeah! Goal for you. Yeah!

Goal for you. The infection is in your locker room. It's sweat. Let's keep going. Keep our mind like that and let's buy them for more. Right or run through a wall for that guy. Yeah, I'm totally fired up. This is a lot like 06 when Alonzo Mourning was making positive contributions to the Miami

Heat. I was happy for the Miami Heat, was happy for the logo, was happy for the other players, not happy for Zo. Not happy for Zo one bit. Here's also the thing that I don't understand. It's not like they just, it's not like they acquired a player who had been a Panther killer. We owned him. We owned him. And now he's going to help us after we owned him. As a matter of fact, we punched him in the head and knocked him out of the series last year. He serious as well as i had which is part of my problem with him he stated right in the sand in its first one of them well he's a maple leaf killer

his entire career that's why we got on the beat the maple i'm happy he's playing well that's good thank you for helping my guys okay that's all well and nice it's nice it's sweet hockey love of our lives is saying on get up quote y Yanis is the biggest domino in the NBA right now. He's a 30 year old. In the prime of his career, his potential availability is something all 29 teams outside of Milwaukee are monitoring.

Are you in your prime at 30 in that sport? No. Also go out on a limb, wow. He's a coveted free agent, we all know that, Shams, please. He's not, well, he's not a free agent, right? He's got deals, he's got years on his deal Do you call all 29 teams and ask if they're monitoring or you assume they yeah, it's honestly a monitoring Lebron thinking about his Vegas team that's monitoring it the 31st team

Yeah, whatever it is there. Whatever it is that he puts his next team. Everyone's monitoring Yes, that changes the entire economy around your giant arena what what about friday's presser made you think that you could just run it back and start getting excited about whale chasing again yeah what about the last four seasons well what what if i were to ask you guys because here's here's the choice right like it's not that hard what if you put hero and bam, you can get between four and six first-round picks. And I'm guessing Pat Riley wouldn't want to stick around for that. But I will tell you, Nick Erison is going to be running that franchise,

is kind of running that franchise. So if there is a time to rebuild on wherever it is, like that the heat exists where it's a father and a son and Pat Riley works for them very much works for them. He's not going to be here for five or six first round picks. So which route would you like to go? Excuse me, Pat. Can I speak directly to you, Pat? You don't want to let go of Bam or Tyler because you desperately need to keep this 10th place score together? Well, no, I think it's about you don't want to let go of Bam or Tyler because you desperately need to keep this 10th place core together? Well no, I think it's about you don't want to let go of them because if you get all those

draft picks there, it's clearly like a four or five year plan. He doesn't want a four or five year plan. Well we don't know that. They could very well, like the way that you net superstars these days isn't necessarily superstar for superstars for picks. You can absolutely microwave a roster with picks. You can get Durant for picks. That's what the Suns want. They're going to nuke it.

It's been reported that Miami isn't willing to actually go to the extent that they were even mid-season for Kevin Durant. There's a player that's up there, and it's not necessarily viewed as a good contract. But yeah, I think that you can actually be more aggressive in today's NBA with a stockpile of picks and be quicker to microwave something.

But the difference is it's not like New York where New York sends the five picks and they get McHale Bridges and they're adding him to Towns and to Jalen Brunson and to all of that. The only way that he would have all these picks would be if they traded away the current good players. Okay, fine. So now maybe Milwaukee would agree to trade for those picks, but is Giannis Goodwood coming to his team?

No, but just you say has nothing and i don't know what we we can say that max streuson caleb martin and gave in sir whatever that was that was happening around jimmy butler who's not as good as yannis no yannis is not in his prime although it's a funny thing to say this was his best season so but like he's been great and unstoppable. You do anything you can to get that player at this age. I don't think... I mean, for... I... I... You take Anthony Edwards because he's younger, but like, there aren't many...

There aren't many guys. If it's Jokic, it's this guy. Like, you can have a third if you want, but this is a franchise changer. I know we've gotten spoiled by LeBron in his prime at 25 as a free agent okay this doesn't become available after that season and it's now available and every team is in play and of course I say that's this without dilution or equivocation it should be easy if you could get Yanis for Bam and whatever else you have to do, you have to get Yanis. If you're Boston, do you trade Tatum for Yanis? Yes. So you already don't have a good hand. They're thinking of blowing up the Boston team already. Yeah, that's already been reported. Like you don't have a good hand here. Your

hand is a Tyler Hero homecoming. If you're thinking about player for player and Bam, that's fine, but there's going to be better offers around the league this is a crap roster these are not good players Tyler Hero is a looter and a riot hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on so like he needs pieces around him okay hold on yeah okay because Mike you're being really disrespectful okay on this front okay you could say that tyler hero is a garbage all-star okay you taught ton of usage rate we saw as a number one at the end of games what happens how you get strangled if that's your number one at the end of games

nobody would argue with that bam on a bio is still even in the freakish age of these extra terrestrials running around there one of the very few in the league can guard one through five and if you trade him away you're trading away your defense, a cornerstone of whatever it is that Spoh and Riley teach but it does not matter this player available. You do anything you can to want him here and you try to woo him with the idea that you can promise him what the Panthers now have is less state income tax and you can live in Miami because you're

an international icon and it might be fun to live in Miami. The nation laughs at you. You're a Bulls fan hyping up Josh Giddy. That's what you're doing right now. Tyler Hero does not register. Tyler Hero nationally is not considered a good player. These two players though did get to the Eastern Conference finals and the championship round. But not on their own. nationally is not considered a good player. These two players though, did get to the Eastern Conference Finals

and the championship round. But not on their own. And frankly, not on their own, they had Jimmy Butler, but the last time the Celtics lost three games in a row was when they were down 3-0 to the Heat, because you can tell me that, Bam is a two and Bam is a three,

are really good twos and threes. But also like on their own, they just had the most lopsided playoff defeat in the history of the league. I don't know what I can do that can tell you you're a bad team more than what the Cavs did. If you're arguing the merits of keeping Bam and Tyler, you're arguing for something that happened

several years ago, maybe Tyler gets better. Bam is not. I don't think anyone's arguing that. Is anyone arguing? What would you guys do if you two were running the heat? What would you do? Would you get rid of them to try to bring in Giannis, or would you not?

Because I feel like you're hyping them up, but also you don't want to get rid of them to get Giannis, but you would trade them to get Giannis. I'm simply saying that Mike really disrespects them when he calls these multi-time All Stars between them and an international player who's got a gold medal when he insults them by just saying they're trash That's not Julius Randall. You did this to Julius Randall. This is not Julius Randall. He's pretty good. He's having a great series I don't know if you're watching

Julius Randall, I don't know if I boiled it down to them being trashed. They've made they've made good contributions to this franchise BAM's best basketball is behind them. You're a ten seed. I don't know what else to tell you pal I really don't like if you want to argue that BAM's gonna all of a sudden be more aggressive and be the number two that you need them to be to win a championship You're off in La La Land No, I don't think I don't think anyone is arguing that and I would take exception to the idea that the heat already have the worst hand just because I would trade Jason Tatum for Giannis doesn't mean the Celtics would do that and it doesn't mean that all those you know the 29 other teams league would take their top star it doesn't

mean Minnesota would take whoever and trade or Denver would take whoever and trade for Giannis like if we're just focusing on Miami yeah I think the Heat are at the point where they would trade Bam certainly they would trade Hero I think they would, I think the heater at the point where they would trade BAM Certainly they would trade hero. I think they would trade BAM for Giannis at this point I do and I don't know what the equivalent to that around the league is though if those teams would do that So I don't know if the hand is as bad as you think it is And it has Miami has a better hand than the other teams that he's gone out and mentioned like oh I'd rather go to LA New York or Miami I think Miami has a better hand out of all of those cities, right?

I'm frustrated like break yourself of this. Break yourself of chasing the honest will them please and look at what you have right now. Why if a player is available why shouldn't we want to chase them? Bad pieces and a president that doesn't necessarily seem like is aligned right now with a sea change happening within the organization. I didn't take a single word Pat Riley said seriously on Friday. It was a whole bunch of nothing. Well, what did you have the biggest problem with

with what he said? Whoa. I mean, he just lied. Like, I really don't think he said very much of anything. No, well, I wanted a little bit more accountability, quite honestly. A little bit more like, okay, I shouldn't have been so prideful.

Maybe that worked against us a little bit. You mean with Jimmy? I have a responsibility to this franchise to maximize leverage, and I certainly did not do that when it came to Jimmy Butler Well, he doesn't believe he has anything to apologize there. Yeah. No, I'm aware which was disappointing Which is why I'm calling it a dog and pony show This is interesting because Mike Ryan wants to run on a platform of the thing the greatest political movement in the country Right now is, I won't be wrong. I refuse to be wrong.

I'm going to be right on what it is that I say. Everything I say is the truth. And so I would just say to you, like, this is such dead on criticism. Is Pat Riley being too prideful? Duh! He's Pat Riley! Let's call Pat Riley Trump. Claire, we found consensus. It seems as though we fixed it. Like, yes, obviously, he speaks to humility when he says you have to humble yourself, and then he's Pat Reilly. Like, he's not gonna say, I'm sorry to Jimmy Butler, and he sure as shit not gonna say in the contract age, I'm sorry for not giving him an extension when he was under contract.

Well, how about the very first thing that Riley said on Friday, before he sits down, as he's sitting down, before any questions are asked, who in here wasn't born by the time I took over the franchise? Look. Oh, wow.

Zazz, Zazz. That's a power line, come on. That's a bad start. No, Zazz, that's a power line. That was a war start. If you wanna, if what I That's a power line, come on. No, Zazz, that's a power line. That was a war start. If you want to like, if what I'm looking for you is, please Pat, show me some contrition and show me that you're not out of touch.

And you're going to start screaming at younger generations and it was coded, the entire press was coded by this. How do you reach this generation of basketball player? Does heat culture work reaching this player, this type of NBA player? You got to put in the, not just put in the time, but put in the work. Are you serious right now, Pat?

You're a ten seed talking to me about wind sprints right now? Are you serious? Are you honestly complaining about cell phones right now? Are you an old timer that is so out of touch, we're gonna start with who here wasn't alive when I took over this franchise and everything? It's a bad look, brother.

That is an 80 year old man. He's just two years younger than Biden. I'm telling you right now, that is not the way you start things. Oh, well now this is an interesting one. If you'd like to explore this one, I'd like to after having a lovely Mother's Day with my parents, both of whom are in their 80s

and both of them, I would not want them running the Heat franchise. It would seem to be- Your mom's kind of sharp, dude. Yeah, maybe your mom's on it. Yeah, maybe your mom. Your mom's on it. No bad ideas.

Look, all I'm saying is, okay, to help my mother up five steps very gingerly and to have my dad in the center of the stairs and to have the flashbacks from eight years ago when Poppy's climbing the Clevelander staircase with Pete and I'm running behind him because if he breaks his hip, I'm bleeped for the rest of my life. No, he probably is. And him.

And that might be the secondarily. But then you're taking care of him. He dies. So what I'm saying is he can't do anything after that. I don't want my father driving anywhere. I, again, I would not want him running the Heat franchise. So if you want to do Biden's age, that feels a bit like ageism to me. I will tell you that he's sharp, but they said the same thing about sharp in

private on Biden. If you want to be ageist about this. No, no, no. Pat Riley is sharp. But what I'm highlighting is when you start your presser like that and what a lot of people are questioning is, is this guy still in touch with today's No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, of it because how people become formed. Yes, he's an 80-year-old man who's identified with nothing but basketball for 60 years and has always won. Yes, of course, he thinks he's the reason for

all of the winning. Of course he does. And you can tell him he has blind spots about this, but he will do it with Ewing and he'll do it with Starks and he'll do it with Alonso and he'll do it with Tim Hardaway and he'll do it with Shaq and he'll do it with Wade and he'll do it with Magic and he'll do it with Kareem and he'll do it before that at Kentucky. So he always thinks he's going to win. Of course to the very end. And you say he's not. You say he's told. I mean he's going to save people off. Like I get to run this till the end the way I want to because I've earned it because I helped build this sport. And you could tell him, hey old man, get out of here. Anthony Edwards has nothing in common with you. He wouldn't want to play for you.

Why would he want to play for you? He doesn't want to run wind sprints like that. He wants to chuck threes for the rest of his life. Poorly. Because dunking hurts. Because dunking hurts his body. Yeah, I'm not running Pat out of town. I said on Friday, if there's anybody

in the history of South Florida sports that deserves to write their own ending It is Pat Riley. However, he doesn't get to do that with impunity You can openly question whether or not this guy is making the right decisions because over the last few seasons He hasn't and you can openly question whether or not he is in tune with today's NBA Because I think every time he opens his mouth or sends out a press release He's kind of showing you it's gonna be a struggle struggle. On the Jimmy situation though, Riley or not, you knew that that was going to end the way it ended.

He was a crazy person they were dealing with. Which one? Well, this is an entire different conversation. Like, if I were to say to you, in the context of some of this, if I were to say to you that you go to a player in this age of player, a player who may, like Draymond and anyone else, have like up-down swings that could use, I don't know, talking to somebody in a way that's not prideful. If someone refuses to do that, what do you do?

Like how do you play that one if uh... if if if i'm running an organization when you say he's a crazy person but we do that now clinically now that basketball has taught us about the mar de rosa and kevin love like the pressures of all this is is not how it changes your life and anyone could feel it a mental health barrage if i tell anyone we can go in the league's crazy that it's dream on in this guy i tell anyone like a who in the leagues crazy that it's dream on in this guy and we're not at assigning in a clinical

diagnosis if dream on dream on zoom public therapy on amazon like he's showing you his life dream on spot guess is interesting says things he's interesting any and he's introspective whether he's wrong or not if i say the dream on right now is what is it to to technicals from being kicked out again Draymond you need counseling. You gotta go. You gotta go see something about this and the answer is just no then what? Can't do anything can't do anything nothing can't do anything except like maybe criticize them for trying to play the victim Which I'll do but I'm saying so but is there a third angry black man thing was I like come on

Is there a third person who framed this narrative around? You dream on the white media. I mean, I mean we can dissect that in a vacuum, but you're dream on green I don't want to hear this right now. Not from you. You're like the craziest person that's ever worn a uniform in that sports Like yeah, like okay, like even Dennis wasn't like no you're hitting me with angry black man, right? Now, come on, dude. He's not Angry Black Man. He was usually pretty happy. He was. Am I the only person that's like, he says that,

and I'm like, okay, I guess I'm an ally after I receive this. Wait a second, man, that's not true. I'm not hitting you with this. I'm talking about you like this because you're insane.