The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Mount Rushmore of Memeable Quarterbacks

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

"Avery Johnson at quarterback. He's mixed race." Is Jameis Winston the most lovable bust of all time? Today's Cast: Zaslow, Hawk, Chris, Roy, Billy, Mike, Tony Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stucats podcast. It's a Friday here. That means the weekend is here. Everyone is excited. Everyone's in a great mood, except I keep having to spend more money on these goddamn apps. Oh, shit. The weekend was here last weekend. Oh, my God.

Was it? He was here last weekend. Yeah. But no E. Hard rock. Jeez. So, Hawk, I don't know if you're aware, all right? But you got to have apps.

All right. The apps are how we get all our entertainment. You got to have all the apps. Okay, yeah. And for instance, you know, ESPN started their direct-to-consumer app that debuted yesterday. How was it? Well, actually, you'll notice if you go into the ESPN app like today, it's like different font. It's a little bit different.

I like it, actually. But I have to upgrade, you know, the kind of ESPN app I have because WWE is starting on ESPN next month. And, like, I got to make sure that I'm getting those shows. a la Pro Wrestling. Okay. So yesterday I had to get the new service, all right, streaming, streaming services. I had to get the upgraded service on paying a little bit more money there. I did that yesterday.

And today, again, guys, on my way in, I'm on my way to work this morning. I got Spotify Hawk. I put it on and just, it's nothing but rap music, which means my son is listening to Spotify in his car I don't know where that was going Was it a Yachty again? Well that was one of them at one point Yeah but it's all these

I've never heard There's another else called Yeet You know that? Yeah, of course All right, he's listening to Yeet Come on me come on me come on I don't know Yeat I've heard Ask you kids about Yeat I get all my young rap information

From Tony actually So I mean he's just Flipping track to track to track Because my son now drives to school And his first day at school was two days ago You gotta have a good song For that first drive in So this is a new thing where now this is disrupting my ride here

because my son is hogging the Spotify. So this morning I was like, I can't live like this. So I upgraded the Spotify accounts that we have. And now I'm paying more for that so that we can separately use the Spotify at the same time. That's messed up, man. I don't like it. I don't like where society is going.

And I don't know how young our demographic of listeners is. so I might be alienating in the really, really young ones that are like old man talk but I don't like it I don't like it at all you know what I had I was trying to watch

fourth and long which is the reality show I was on not to make this about me but absolutely to make it about me but the problem is I bought it because I was on this reality show and I bought it right

we buy things and we own things and then I went back to watch this thing that I bought I think it was on prime and because they decided to take it off I no longer have access

and I sat there in fury of like Like, well, I bought it. I didn't rent it. I didn't like subscribe and get to watch and stream. I bought it. The old days you could buy it and have it for forever. Nothing is forever.

And to your point, they will continue to drive the prices up on the apps because we don't own and have like finger touching anything, man. It's gotten to the point where it's just like all these apps out there. How about just here's my checking account, you let me know how much money I can keep. Like that's, I'm constantly paying for things. It's never. Did you talk to your son today? Is crypto money subscription? Is that what we're signing up for with crypto? Depends if XRP is a certain point, we're good.

It won't matter. Talk to me. Of course you're right. Nice to your boy. Did you text your son today? Because yesterday, Hawk, they had an exchange on Spotify in which his son alphaed him. And then he said, I'm just going to wait until his son set it. You want to tell him? Yeah. So, well, yeah. Well, yeah. Like I... How did your son real quick? 16. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you're... Just started. drive into school. First year drive in a school. Yeah. Okay. And like I

text him, you know, the short version of the story is he was very polite and he told me very politely that he was listening first. So I just, I was like, screw it. Do we want to change that? It wasn't very politely he called him sugar tits. Yeah. He said I was looking first sugar tits.

I have the clip. I can play it. I was listening first sugar tits. Wow. That is a, that was a line in the sand right there. So we had a short exchange and it ultimately ended with, all right, he's going to be at school in two minutes, I'll wait. And so, so today, I had like the same plan, except I pull up the Life 360 app. You know, do you use the Life 360 app with your kids yet? No, what's that? You can keep track of where they are. Like Life Alert?

Essentially, yeah, you can keep track of where they are. It's really great. It's great app, okay? Does it do specific when you're out of place? Because I've had this where my wife were like on a cruise. We always know where my daughter is, but it just tells us she's on the cruise. No, no, no. It's like one of these, like, big things. It's like, oh, thanks. I know she's on the crew. No, this is how I knew that my son was at Taco Bell when I am. Isn't your dog like six? She's just running around cruises? Well, on cruises, they have the kids club. Like, when they're at the

kids club, we like to be able to... So how does Life 360 work? Like a chip you put in your kid's neck or something? So... Neurolink. Like a dog? It's connected to their phone. That was the vaccine. So... Finally, somebody's heard it. So, so I'm tracking

him on the Light 360 today, Hawk. I'm waiting for him to get to school. Right. So we get to school. But, like, he's still changing the tracks from songs. with the song. I could see he's in the parking lot of his school. So I think he's just sitting in his car, like, listening to music, you know? Maybe, maybe, I don't know. The old wake and bake. Go ahead. So I, yeah, like, I couldn't listen to music this morning. I'm like, I can't live like this. What about the sugar tits part? I feel like we glossed over

there. Was that wrong? There's got to be some backstory there. After he gave you a wedgie this morning, right? What did you do then as he intensified the bullying of his father? Well, we have a thing in our house and and it's where if you want to be man of the house you could challenge me okay meaning you got to take me down like an official like in black panther yes precise yes only white jewish kids yes uh can you take me down and my son yeah we have a whole you know it's a whole circle you're in a pond outside the house they're praying i got different tribe different tribe that's right uh he tried one he tried about four months ago okay it didn't go well for him all right and uh you feel good you feel good about the timeline you have right now yeah you just got to

make it to 18. Yeah, well, and he, you have to wait six months until you could challenge me again. So, it's like, all right, you wasted it, man. See in six months if you want. Yeah, that's a good old man rule that you put in there, because young guys, I'll see you every Monday, my boy. I can't do this

twice a week. Exactly. Yeah, heal up. The six months, at some point, if he's smart, he's going to negotiate that down. I can't just be looking over my shoulder every day, wondering if it's going to happen, you know? Hey, but that's the that's the wild of being a man, like four times in a week. He'll get you on the fourth because you're going to be sore. Wait, he can sneak attack?

He should be, he should get one sneak attack. I think it should be like, all right, this is my attack and it's face to face. Like, this can't be, you're sleeping and all of a sudden he's pitting you. Well, no, that's, no, we both have to be standing, all right. This is when the hardcore belt was 24-7. That's right. Very similar. But like I said, there's a six-month, you know, interval.

That's a crazy interval. That's like, way to choose in your favor. Yeah. He shouldn't agree to that. Wait, so how does this end when one of you hits the ground, it's over? Yeah, if you could, like, get me to the ground. and, like, you've essentially pinned me there. And then you have to pin him for this to end on his end?

No, no. I mean, it's going to be, I guess, until he's 18. No, but I'm saying for this one encounter that then sets off the six-month count. Oh, yeah, I had to pin. I got him to the ground. Of course, I won. If he got you, you would have to wait six months, and you could challenge him again as what we're asking. I haven't thought that part out if I'm being honest.

You need to start thinking that out. Yeah, you just call him your sugar tits. He just, yeah, it's coming. There's going to be a lot more challenging happening. I don't think that was, if I were him and he's listening, I would come to the table on the six-month negotiation. I need a back-to-back because I need to see what you're like, how your body reacts to the first.

Yeah, like you have six months to keep putting it all in. Because what, if he's going to show up one day. He's already taller than me. He's going to show up one day with a different man. Not a great feat. Low bar. And now you're both going to be at the house with this different guy that he brought in to kick your ass at the house.

So this pin is a three-count. He's going to bring a champion with him. He's going to bring a ringer. This is my champion. And be like, hey, I'm not the man of the house anyway. So I'm just going to bring somebody else. And then you got to wait six months for this guy to leave because he brought somebody in to kick your ass. Does he get the big bedroom?

Like you and your wife have to get into his room then? If he takes the house? No, but he would just be in charge. You know, if he wanted to, technically, yeah, he could get the big. Yeah, I guess so. Like, if you're man of the house, you do get to pick your bedroom. Then he gets to go to Chicago by himself. Yeah.

How far away. is he from beating you? Like in that last match? It was not close. Percentage wise. Was it 90-10, 95-5 in that area? He got me by the neck to start, okay, because it was a little bit of a sneak attack. He was on my back, and he

had me by the neck, and it took me about... Rear naked? Yeah, and it took me about... Did he have the hooks in or no? No. That's the thing. I got to teach Corey. He's got to get the hooks in first, and then you've got to get the crease of your elbow right on the jugular. He's a big MMA fan. And then you got to crank back. Love the Arab fighters. Loves Arab Fighters.

Gotcha. And so it took me less than 10 seconds to maneuver out of it. Okay. And I got him to the ground really quick. Less than 10? Was it more than six? I, I don't like,

I like them. But I was never in jeopardy of like blacking out. Okay. You know. Technique issue, though. Technique issue. If it took you almost 10 to get out, no.

He's not that far away. It is what I like him. You can't let him get under your chin. You got to dig your chin down. Yeah, I don't think he had. And you got to bring down. It wasn't a real. Okay.

Yeah. So, So to some, he was not close. Okay. We'll see. A couple more months. He could challenge again. Get in the weight room, man.

Maybe get some creatine going. He does. He actually goes to the gym. All right. So we'll see. Do you? Six months of a consistent routine? I mean, what a silly question.

This answer is, I mean, look at this. Again, the sugar tips. Come on now. Yeah. So that's what we're at. All right. I'm constantly paying money. And it's because of my older son.

This launch is apparently going pretty well. Not well, actually. The opposite of that. My friends in the group. Yeah, sorry about that. Wow, that was a roller coaster. I was like, oh, wow. I don't know what to think right now.

I'm be honest with you. Let's reset. All right. You have a stroke? Are you okay? I'm still trying to. Very Chris telling of that story. It was.

What happened? I catch a straight there. Are we still talking about Spotify? I think you're talking about ESPN. ESPN app, okay. ESPN launches crap. Oh, according to my group chat. That's good.

Everyone's very. What's been the issue? Uh, you people are trying to go through Disney Plus and is telling them to go through the other app. Everybody's a little confused. Fused, people feel like they're paying for it, but have to have to troubleshoot exactly where they're going to get what they're paying for. I had a pretty easy time with it yesterday. I just, I, I upgraded my bundle. I got the ESPN Hulu Disney Plus bundle. And I just had to, I upgraded it. It cost me a few extra bucks. Well, if you already have the bundle, like me, I haven't even looked yet.

The bundle you have, though, is ESPN Plus, and that is not the same thing. God damn it. So you are going to have to upgrade. Okay. That's what I did. That's what you're going to have to do, Hawk, as well. I don't, yeah, I don't know. I work for ESPN. Well, I do, too.

I haven't decided to do the free subscription part. I'm like, let's let's let them settle into whatever's going on, and then I'll check out about the free part. I'm not good at using anything we get for free anyway at ESPN. I've never been to Disney World, and I think we get free entry. We do. You've never gone and taking your kids with the passes? We get free passes.

Let me get those passes. I mean, let's talk because I don't, I don't. Wow. I've never, no. We can talk. You get 50% with the resorts? Come on. You got all the information.

I got nothing, man. I think you're like 40% off cruises too. Really? I could be wrong. You get a percentage off on cruises. I never did it. I heard that the Life 360 doesn't really work on the cruises, though. I heard that too.

Someone told me that. It's just like, yeah, I know. She's on the boat. She's on the boat. Where else would she be? I feel a lot safer now looking at this app. Look, every football game is a grind. And if you're like Dan and the crew, you know there's no such thing as one size fits all.

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This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. So last night, there was preseason football. Tomorrow college football start, which is awesome. All right? You got a game in Dublin. We have no more Saturdays without college football. It's all happening. Avery Johnson at quarterback.

He's mixed race. That's right. Did you know that, Hawk? No. Mike had to apologize yesterday. The point guard? No, no, no, no. That's where I went to.

That's where it all started. I mean was like, wow, Avery Johnson has a kid that's playing quarterback. I'm like, no, this kid's white. See by the photo there. And if you watch him play, he's got the blonde hair. He's got the blonde hair hanging out the back of the helmet. Do we have one in his uniform? So I only watch Kansas State usually on a second TV experience.

Okay. I never, all I really see is blonde hair hanging out of the helmet and a complexion that would suggest, you know, perhaps a white guy. Not white, dude. Mixed race. Mixed. This is his beautiful family. Yeah. So just don't make the same mistake I made. And that's not Avery Johnson's son.

No. As well. Because Avery Johnson is like maybe 5'8. I don't think Kansas State's ever been on anyone's main TV. Well, tomorrow it's the only game going on. Noon, Dublin, Ireland. It'll be on my main TV tomorrow. Top 25 matchup.

Yep. Who are they playing? Iowa State. Okay, Campbell. Yeah. Give a look, see. Could there be a less exciting top 25 matchup? This is pretty good, man.

You don't look ball. I mean, I know that these teams are just on paper. Just looking at the tune, Kansas State, Iowa State. You got two good quarterbacks. Nothing gets the juices flowing like Kansas State, Iowa State. The winner of this game has an inside track to be one of those big 12 dark horses in the CFP. And the quarterbacks can make a statement. Avery Johnson especially can get himself in this Heisman conversation.

You weren't there when Darren Sproles was taking shit yard every time he touched Rock. Does Iowa State still have that coach, or did he leave? He's still there. He's still there. He actually turned down Detroit. He turns down. Big jobs routinely. Where he's like, I'm on the rise.

I'm picking my job. And he's going to get to a port. It's like, I passed all the good jobs. Now I'm taking a worse job. You would have thought it was starting to look that way. But then Iowa State had a 10-win season last year, when the Pop-Tart pool. He's legit. You know where he started coaching at?

Oh, yeah. But tell Roy. Okay, I'll tell Roy. University of Toledo. He's a Toledo coach. So the point is, football's back, all right? And last night there was even some preseason football action. Now, I would never watch that because, my God, what a waste of time.

Good game. But the New York Giants, all right, they played last night. They beat the Patriots. Okay, who cares? They crushed the Patriots. Mike, you're like all wrapped up in the Giants quarterback situation. Well, it's a fascinating quarterback room. I know people are talking about the Cleveland quarterback situation, but in terms of personalities,

The interesting one is what's happening in New York right now. So who we got here? You got Russell? You have Russell Wilson. You have Tommy DeVito. Wow. Tommy's still there? Tommy's still there?

Tommy lit it up. You have James Winston. So right there, like that's three of the most memeable quarterbacks ever. That's good. That's a Mount Rushmore of polarizing internet quarterbacks. And then you have the young hot shot prospect. Literally. Yeah, he's hot.

Jackson Dark. He's got the, you know, the eye black gimmick. Good looking kid. Where's a big hefty chain. Turtle neck? It's a mock neck. Yeah, it's a mock turtle. It's like Tommy.

So you got four quarterbacks over there. All kind of popular. In fact, I'd say the least popular guys, the guy that's on most depth charts is QB1. The guy that's won the Super Bowl. It's the least popular. But you can give you a little taste of the vibes. Here's the vibes in this room.

Let's see. Hey, y'all, I'm just saying they call us the three amigos. But somebody had the hat trick today. We turn it up and we got the young bucks and we eWs with the young bucks. You know what time it is. Go big blue. We turn it up. We set in the same.

Y'all, way yet they're running away. The three amigos, the three. Come on. At one point on the sideline, Jackson Dart was hand-feeding. Seen them dubs. James Winston, a dub. Look at this video right here. Is he actually going for a bite?

Oh, okay, good, he faked it. I was going to say, that'd be gross. Look at the commitment, though. Where's Mr. Unlimited? All right, so, James, well, three of them played. All right, you weren't listed in, Billy. Three of them played. I know, but he should be in that room.

He should be in the vibes. It was James and them Youngbucks, all right. Tommy DeVito was 17 at 20, 10098 yards, three touchdowns. Boy, the Patriots, you playing any defense. Jackson Dart was 6 at 12, 81 yards, and a touchdown. James Winston, 4-4-8, 47 yards, a touchdown. Hawk, do you think he had an interception? I don't.

He did. Of course he did. Come on, what are we talking about here? But here's... He ran a wrong route. Here's the funny thing to me, all right. Everyone loves James Winston. He's a very...

I don't, you know, I don't want to get to the off-the-field stuff, all right? We're talking about on the field. Is Jeremy here? Him in a locker room. If you think you're family, if you think you like him. All right, I can't get involved. A couple families of hell of hands. I can't get involved in the off-the-field stuff, all right?

But on the field and the locker room. Yeah, you kind of just... Well, I don't want to get into. He can't. I don't want to. I think we tried to discuss this openly and honestly last time. Like, you mention it, I guess, and you do what you can with it. I mean, he did have another thing that popped up to the Uber.

So, like, you mention it, but, you know, these things are in the past. Thank you, Mike. There you go, Jeremy. By all accounts, though. What a buzz kill. James is a very popular. player. We're back.

Teammates love him. Every team. This is fourth team. All right. He has his first year with Giants. You can see they already love him. This is fourth year team. His teammates love him.

Fans love him. You can hear the way we're like about to talk about him right now. He's a very likable player to watch. He's funny. All right. And for me, I can't, he is such a unique player because I cannot think of. Another first overall pick, especially quarterback. First overall pick.

If you take a quarterback first overall, it's like one of the biggest moments in your franchise is history, all right? A quarterback selected first overall who, by all accounts, was a bust. Right now we're all typing in first picks. Yeah, first overall picks. By all accounts was a bust. Okay. And is still this popular figure. If you're the number one overall pick and you're supposed to be the face of your franchise,

and it does not work out, you would think it's like, all right, man, you know, get out of here. You were a bust. Like, you hurt the franchise. It set them back. Like, no one wants to hear from you or, like what other number one overall pick, even if you want to make a number two overall pick, who was a quarterback who it didn't work out with that original team? Wasn't even signed to a second contract, Doc. If you're a quarterback number one overall and your team did not sign you to a second contract,

that is a bust. All right. You've established ground rules. Baker Mayfield. Fourth team, number one overall draft pick. Didn't make it to a second contract. Didn't just fail in Cleveland, even though I would debate the merits of that. He won at Pittsburgh.

Hawk knows what a big deal that is. I mean, the franchise hasn't won a regular season game at Pittsburgh in 21 years. He won a playoff game. He won a playoff game there. He did. But then he went to Carolina, was running Scout D-end over there. And he was terrible. Went over to Los Angeles.

Angeles. Had a moment. Had a moment there. Sean McVeigh kind of rebuilt him. And then he took a prove-it deal post-Tom Brady. No one really expected anything from him. And then he becomes one of the, according to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, one of their 50 greatest players of all time in franchise history. That's crazy. Wow. Was James on that list? Curious. I don't know. Baker was 38. And you've got to think Baker's higher than James. I would guess James is not on the list. Yeah. I don't know. But I don't, see, I don't put Baker in that category. Because you just don't believe him to be a bus, but the criteria that you outlined is don't make it to a second contract with your team. You also listed four teams.

Baker's on his fourth team. Everyone loves Baker now. Here's the thing, though. He's not a bus because Cleveland was wrong. Like, Cleveland was wrong in that spot. Tampa Bay wasn't wrong. But it took to the fourth spot for us to realize that Cleveland was wrong, though. Man, he wore out his welcome over there.

He wore out as well. I think Cleveland was wrong, especially with who they brought in. That was wrong. Well, but also, that guy was really good in Houston. Like, really, like, definitely better than Baker Mayfield. Yeah, but he's one of those guys that you stopped to mention the off-the-field stuff every time. And Baker, Baker's biggest sin was that he tried to play hurt. If Baker decides to shut it down after that upper body injury, I don't think they force him out.

No, Baker had some matured-off the field stuff, and I think it's like, again, it's not as, like, talked about that, but even Baker has said, like, he's, it. the humbling experience helped him mature to what he is now. Team one and him gone, too. The leaders on that team wanted him gone. Yeah, and that's hard to do for someone who won a playoff game for you. So you got to really think about even what Baker is now. He has matured. It was never an ability thing.

And I think with some of the players you're talking about, I kind of agree with you on the Baker's side because the second contract didn't come because they didn't think he had ability. It was like somebody better. It was some of the off-the-field stuff that didn't make it worth it to the franchise of like what it was probably felt like in the in the in the organization so he wasn't like a you're not as good as we thought you were so baker is debatable but i have one that i think is the nuts well let me just add hold on to that real quick you could correlate that with

you could correlate that baker winston that whole deal with james because hey oh i always ever go they moved on from james because they had an opportunity for brady which was obviously the right move, but James has had now six years to try and become a starter again. And he's very clearly not a starter in this league. Jim Plunkett. He was the number one overall draft pick for the New England Patriots and probably surprising many in our audience that Jim Plunkett was ever anything but a raider. He flunked out over there. And then I think Jim Plunkett's a Hall of Famer. I also want to add the part, though, the popularity. plays a role for me.

Yeah, I thought I had a nominee that's a second overall pick, not a quarterback, who feels like a bust, played on a bunch of teams, had a nice career. The likable part, I don't know. Reggie Bush. See, that's tough, Hawk, because how much does Reggie Bush bouncing around like that who was a good player? How much does Reggie Bush bounce? Now, was he the guy that they thought they were getting number two overall at a USC who was like the best college football player I'd ever seen at that point?

He was ridiculous. Were they getting that guy? Did they get that guy? of course not, but how much did Reggie Bush bouncing around the way he did have to do with him being, you know, a running back? I don't call Reggie Bush a bust. No, I don't either. No, but he did

turn into a bit of a journeyman who was popular. But that's why I'm asking about his position. Yeah, that's interesting. How about this one? Now, he was a first round draft pick, but he was a supplemental first round draft pick. Now, for those I don't know, you use a supplemental draft pick, you lose that first rounder

for next year. It's whatever round you use that in, you use the following year's real regular draft pick. So Steve Young was a first round supplemental draft pick by the Tampa Bay Bucks. Bust with Tampa Bay. Legend in San Francisco. Wait, so any year, I can just be like, I want an extra first round pick. I'll give you mine next year. There's a supplemental draft. Sometimes people miss deadlines. Josh Gordon for Cleveland. He led the league in receiving. He was a supplemental draft pick. You know, maybe you wanted to graduate, took an extra semester or something, so there's a

supplemental draft, you know. How you love that catchphrase Bad news for opposing teams in the triple A. Stugats These are smiles Till the broads are clutch again Clutch again, clutch again, clutch again. This is the Dan Lebatar show,

with the Stugats Vinnie Tessaverty, another buck bust that is beloved in New York. Right, see, that, okay, that's the part that I'm also harb on, is the popularity, is the beloved. Like, James Winston is loved everywhere he goes. Vinny P. is beloved by New York Jets fans. James Winston is great, though.

I mean, James Winston is like a rare, So rare. It's not because his personality, it's so kid-like, like what you see on the camera. Look how much those guys loved him in that video. He's going to make a billion dollars when he gets in the media. Like, he's going to be so high paid. You think so? Oh, my gosh, man.

He's already been doing media stuff. I've been around him for maybe a total of six minutes, like in my life. And I walk away every time like, damn, that dude is, he's coming to sports media. He's not going to be in studio, though. He's going to be like, we go out to James now, like, doing a hit somewhere. like with the people like I'm with you he's gonna be great he's one of those personalities I don't see him as like like when I watch players it's like certain people that I'm like I watch them to say okay when this guy retired should I be worried been an interesting 50 years you know like

like when I see Cooper Cup talk about like receiver play and I'm like damn it oh really he's coming he's on the way you have more charisma than him though I know but it's like on the exit I got to see a piece like the X's and O's like I know what Cooper Cup big name Super Bowl you know, I know that they're going to be like, man, we got a clamor to get him, and that's like a competitive, like, damn, he's coming. James Winston, on the charisma side, I look at him and think the same thing, like, ah, damn. I got another Tampa Bay buck.

James is on his way. Doug Williams was drafted in the first round, was inconsistent, left for the U.S. NFL, ended up winning a Super Bowl with Washington. What pick was he in the draft? He was a first round draft pick? Yeah, number 30? Like, what pick was he? I got one.

Oh, I might take the cake with this one. Tim Tebow. Well, obviously a huge bust, yeah. But is he beloved? Not a number one pick, though. Is Tim Tebow beloved? By an NFL franchise? I mean, he did win a playoff game in Denver.

I know he's going to be beloved in college. James is beloved by FSU fans. But what franchise is, like, franchise is James beloved by? None. Like from a football perspective. He's beloved by fans. So, like, your argument for Tebow does kind of stand. But he's beloved because of what he did in college and what he stands.

for. Well, but like, was Tebow beloved by the locker room when he was with the Jets? I'd say probably not. James seems to be loved by every locker room he goes in. I think they love Tim Tebow. Yeah? People who play with Tim love him. Yeah? Yeah. Like, love having him around, yeah. Yeah, yeah. How about Alex Smith? He won a playoff game with San Francisco. Now, you can debate whether or not he made it to a second contract because as a part of a restructure on his rookie deal, they tacked on one year. And after that one year they attacked on. They let him walk and he went to Kansas City. But you also have to remember why they let him walk. They didn't let him walk because they think he stinks. They let him walk because they

thought they had someone better in Kaepernick. It matters. And also, I don't know if Kansas City fans feel an affinity towards Alex Smith. Our definition is tough because it seems as though it's a game rigged just for James Winston. Alex Smith threw for 36,000 yards in his NFL career. Yeah, not a bust. Even Reggie Bush is like 9,000 total yards. We're just talking about like with that first team. With that first team, it didn't really pop there. I got something. The criteria is, like, you're not brought back by the team that drafted you, number one. You go play several places. You were supposed to be a foundational piece for the franchise, and they said, nah, we're done with you. Jared Goff. Number one pick overall. Yeah. Was a bus for a long time.

He was used as a Super Bowl. But then it was his fault that they didn't win, got traded for a guy who came in and won a Super Bowl, now beloved by Detroit, got a second contract with the They just upgraded. I think they just upgraded. He wasn't a bus. Upgrades not a bust. He was, guys, he was terrible. It's an interesting case study, what happened with Jared Gough. But I don't think even Rams fans can call him a bust in that uniform. He made it to a Super Bowl for them. And he had some very good seasons.

They just had the opportunity like Tampa Bay had, which is like, let's go get someone that can take us next level. Hawk, I don't know. I see those gears turning over there. Did he get a second contract in Los Angeles? No. That's what I don't like the definition. I think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, Derek Goff. It might just be, it often make it to a second contract because they have.

had to make the money work out for the Stafford bill. He had a huge contract. Let me see. He definitely made it to a second contract. Football is so back. But I think we could admit, though, that James Winston is a really unique situation, right? Yeah, I don't think it's unique because of, like, his draft status, though. Like, maybe that's why we know him.

I think he's unique because of his personality. I'm not kidding. I genuinely think James Winston is a one-of-one personality. Humble enough to- And that's why, like, people love him. Humble enough to go from being a first overall pick to, I'm a team guy. Whoever, I'll be the third string, and I'm the best teammate you got. Without missing a beat.

It's just, like, there's so many opportunities for toxicity in his whole career, and he could be pissed. And, like, even how he talks about Tampa Bay with such love and admiration, when most guys will be like, F you. Even if they, like, you know, like, Johnny Mansell curses Cleveland. Like, you can't break, James. He's going to be nice to you and respectful, like, no matter what you feel like. Exactly. And I think that's what makes him unique. I have a way from the sport comparison.

It feels to me, I think you can agree to this. Hockey, hockey reference. No. He's the Ryan killings of the NFL. He's our truth. He's our truth. Yeah. All right, give me the...

I know what that means. Hock, you know what that means? Of course I know what that is. But tell Billy. He's a big quarter. And everyone... So he was supposed to be a big deal, but he's not a big deal, but everyone still loves him. But where is he drafted in the Wobilly?

WWDraft. Former NWA champion. Oh, we're talking about a wrestler. Oh, gosh, okay. I was really lost on all that. Can I just bring it back to hockey for a second and just, I want to play a game called. I never took it to hockey. I don't think we ever went there.

Here's a compliment. Hawk looks great in a hockey jersey. We saw him like two days ago on McAfee, and he was rocking a hockey jersey, and we were all in the office saying like, damn, that's a good look, that hockey jersey. Oh, what sweater was it? What's him? It was the Charleston Chiefs from Slapshot, which was filmed in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. which is my hometown. I complimented that hit.

We saw Hawk up there and I was like, man, that's well lit. Like just a good set. You must be on set somewhere. Just in his house. Just bedroom. Just very impressive. Bedroom set. Yep.

Freiko, baby. So, I don't know if everyone's aware. All right. It's the weekend. I know everyone's aware of that. After the weekend comes Monday. Next week is a very big week. Next week, Sue is.

It's the most prestigious week in sports. Kind of. the 2025 Siouxie Awards presented by Miller Light starting this Monday on the Dan Labatard show with Stugats and Hawk and Zaslo you guys better tune in

because you're in there. What? Nice. You brought it this year. Both of you talking about. I love it. I need an award. Might not be for a good thing, but you brought it. That's all that counts, man. How good is this day

next week going to be? Where it's just, oh my God, we got the full slate. Like, we got a little taste of it, Hawk tomorrow with the college football. But this time next week, oh my god you got Notre Dame in Miami granted it's Sunday night not Saturday but nonetheless I mean next week who it's a little appetizer hawk

main events next week you excited about it well I mean I look at Mike and I can only imagine what he's going to be like next Friday leading into Notre Dame in Miami a wreck no no very confident are you juice right now yeah I'm very confident how are we looking in camp talk to me we look great do we yeah I think one through 22 we're really really good yeah Wow, wow, yeah. That's your reaction, huh? What noise was that? Got excited.

Not as excited as you, bro. If you catch my drift. Beck looks really good. For the audio audience, that was that falling away. That wasn't excitement. That was nice. It was a flaccid mic. Yeah, just completely lost my juice.

Not tight. Real talk, I think we're going to beat the shit out of Notre Dame. It's going to be like 2017? I love that. I think we're going to beat the shit out of them. 20 to 17? Is that what you're predicting? No, it's going to be like 2017.

No. We'll see. Miami's presently an underdog. Notre Dame just named a quarterback that loves to throw interceptions and they were afraid to lose in the transfer portal. I think we're deep. If we stop the run, I think we beat the shit out of them. Where's it set? Here. Hard Rock Stadium. The Rock. How much do you have to beat someone by to, quote, beat the shit out of them? I think 3117 is the criteria as established by Billy. They score late, though.

I made my score prediction for Keynes Insight. I said 30. 8.17. I feel like you got to win by 17 to call it beating the shit out of something. But it's different college and pro. Like, beating the shit out of a team, it's different depending if it's college or pro. 31-17 in the pro, that's being the shit out of it. And expectations, too. Remember, Miami's a

two-point dog headed into this game. So if they win that game by that score, that is an ass kicking. I got this being a three-degree game. I got this being a three-score game. So we'll see what Notre Dame does. Look, they earned all sorts of respect last year. National runner-up.

went through big time programs and the way they did it was super admirable because they were a mash unit. They played through injuries. They earned a lot of respect. They also lost some guys and they have a quarterback that is starting right now who didn't really win a quarterback battle was just the guy because they were afraid of losing them to the transfer portal. That's a big, big deal. Their quarterback out there is less experience than Emery Williams, Miami's backup. So I feel really good about what Miami looks like right now in camp. I have a great deal of confidence there. Thankfully, knock on wood, no injuries right now.

They're good along the trenches. We're much better in the secondary. If we can stop Jeremiah Love, I think this game can get ugly, and that quarterback can get nervy, and it could be like 2017 all over again. Beck look good. Beck looks really good. I think Beck had a better fall camp than Cam Ward had last year. I mean, remember, a year ago this time,

we were talking about Carson Beck could be the number one overall pick in the draft. I remember. I remember. He made a couple worldly throws at the practices that I've been to that are just NFL throws. You know it when you see it. You know when you see it. Kind of like an ass kicking.

It's like it's not a score. It's you know it when you see it. Well, there be a lot of Notre Dame fans there, you think? If you look at their boards, they're all, they all have, they do travel, but they all have TSD from the last time they came down here in 2017. They're talking about Florida being a stained your ground state in the message boards, so they're a little scared. Look, Smetty's not coming.

I was going to say, is Smetty going to be here? Smetty ain't coming. Nope. All right. She may never step foot in the state of Florida again. We ruined the state for her. Well, she was here for Penn State, Notre Dame. She was.

And she told me she would like that just to be her lasting memory of that stadium. She does not want to ruin it and come back, which sounds like maybe she's a little bit skirt. She knows what's coming.