The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Panthers Seventh Defenseman

Episode Date: November 9, 2023

Dan questions his own leadership after "After the game with Roy (sometimes)" failed to produce a show after one of the best Panthers wins of the season. Mike believes the Panthers made one of the best trades in South Florida history, and he's also been hate-watching Dame Lillard and the Milwaukee Bucks. Then, Donald Trump is a favorite to win the Republican nomination -- even if he ends up in jail -- and he held a rally in Hialeah last night opposite the Republican debate. Plus, the Turnover Bone, and when it comes to Tyler Van Dyke, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is the DunlaborTar Show with the StugatSpotCas. I want to talk about leadership for a second and not just because we seem to be led by fools all over the place. The Republican debates, a few blocks from here, while Donald Trump was in Haya-Lia, dispronouncing a lot of Latin names. But the reason I want to talk about leadership is because as a leader, as someone who's attempting to lead here and uncomfortable with it, I have a lot of blind spots, I can lack self-awareness. So I don't know how you guys, and I haven't asked you this privately, I don't know how you guys would actually describe me to someone else as someone who is in charge of this. So the answer to that is what?

Uncomfortable those of this may be that we haven't had the conversation privately and now I put it in front of everybody publicly. As just describe what it's like to have me in charge of your careers. We're comfortable with Roy answering for the group here. Hey, my career has definitely grown under you. So I really appreciate you.

I'm sure everybody else does as well. I don't think that's accurate. I agree. And it's not the, we're not afraid of you at all. Oh. I don't tell people you're weird. Really? You don't tell them I'm weird.

I don't do that. I don't. I was having this conversation with my wife just yesterday that I am somehow the least weird in my family. She finds that shocking. I find it shocking. I'm promising you this. This is how genuinely honest when someone tells me they met you, I apologize. I go, he's like that with everybody. The reason I bring this up is how quickly did he touch his face as a coping mechanism?

This usually might follow up. That's not, you still haven't given a good answer to the question. You deferred over here to Roy. And that was a good answer. Well, I'm glad you answered it Roy because this is headed your way because I don't know how to lead in this particular realm. You have a new hockey podcast after the game with Roy. It's brilliantly named last night would have been a good night for me that game for me to tune in and Here what was happening after the game with Roy but after the game with Roy is not after the game after some games with Roy It's after occasional games and not necessarily the ones I want to hear here talked about because last night It's what have been worth talking about so can you give me your after the game exclusive content

now later than i would have gotten it and can someone else answer the question for me what are strategy is because i'm not leading it correctly after that game we don't have an after the game with roi pod cast well i was kind of nervous uh during the game obviously i want to talk about michael rally who's technically to pantose seventh defenseman he was in the line of last night. He was a minus two. He took a penalty and had a terrible, terrible turnover that led into a goal and transition for the capitals. Like, I don't think we're going to see him a Friday night's game. So I'm not going to see him after the game on Friday. I'm not going to hear a conversation about him. You just heard about the seventh defenseman of the Florida Panthers. Mike, is that why you were laughing because that Roy started his after that game?

Roy started his after the game with Roy commentary with the seventh defense. I was wrong. Yes, you asked for it. You got it Toyota. Toyota. Grace monster. What are we sponsoring Roy? Marshall, hopefully, okay, but after the game occasionally occasionally. Yeah, is the logo on time seen Roman yet?

Not yet. You get on that. We have the logo. Oh, we made a logo. I'm hearing. So we'll throw that up there momentarily. Mike maintains because he is enjoying. There's some hate watching going on in sports right now with the Milwaukee box and with

Hubert O because Mike Ryan is now maintaining. He has proclaimed that every bit as bad as the Miguel Cabrera trade was as the worst in the history of our market, the Panthers made a trade that was every bit that good in sending Hubert O away somehow who was who was great when he was wet them and was an offensive machine and then all of a sudden leaves here and falls apart and now has been benched. I'd still argue at his peak the best player, well, if we're doing peak, then it'd be powerful. But arguably the greatest player in franchise history, Jonathan Huberdo. Many fans were disappointed to see him go. Chris Wittingham stopped being a panthers fan

because he traded Jonathan Huberdo for Matthew Kitchuk. Jonathan Hubert O was recently benched and come off the bench in a third period and it was in a win. It was like a good tactical move. I think Coolakov has as many points as Jonathan Hubert O right now. Jonathan Hubert O has totally fallen off. He has totally gotten old at an incredible rate. The production is way, way down. Meanwhile, Matthew Cuchuck will be the greatest player in franchise history. Probably the best American hockey player on the planet right now. And the Panthers are navigating big time injuries to Aaron Eckblad and Brandon Montor. And they're doing so in a stretch in which they're seven, two and one. And Bennett.

You have, they're missing Sam Bennett too. Sam Reinhardt is among the league leaders in goal scored. He has the overtime winner 13 seconds into overtime, a great game under the bright lights of TNT. It's a fun team, and they, they're well positioned to make another postseason run. This is a consistency from this franchise that we've never seen before. What do we think about buying low and who be bringing back over union? There's no buying low on that contract.

Yeah, no. There's no buying low at all. Then why do you ask? No, I'm just saying to an arbitrage. It's an arbitrage. It's the time, like his values never going to be as low. I get that the money doesn't make sense. You can't put them on your cap.

It's an arbitrage for them. If you want to go after somebody that is also benched, that's also by the name of Jonathan Gujero in Columbus is also finding himself in a similar situation. And the Panthers were kicking around on possible upgrades. And I hope that they're going to be active on the deadline because this seems like it's a championship window for the Florida Panthers. Well, let's just wait until everybody comes back, especially Sam Bennett, who came back during the Boston game. And we saw how the Panthers changed in how they played. And then you get injured again. He won't be back for a little bit. So once everybody comes back, it's going to be a different situation. But after the game Friday,

after the game with Roy, you're going to come out and you're going to be with David Dwork. to come out and you're going to be with David Dwork and people, our audience is not, our audience found Chris Cody yesterday bowling close to 300. They, they located him live streaming. He bold seven straight strikes. They will find you. So after the game with Roy, Jessica is unsuccessfully trying to stifle a young panthers talk does not do it for her, for Tony, for Jeremy, it doesn't feel like it does well. It's a temperature balance.

It's a cold thing. Oh, okay. Is it Roy? Is it Roy's show? Is it that it hasn't debuted strongly enough with the guy you're doing this, Dan? Look at the title again. It's got a great title.

I love the title and the title card. This is great graphic design by our team. After the game was Roy. $350,000. That's great, thanks. This is great graphic design by our team after the game was Roy 350 thousand dollars. That's great. Thanks. I don't know how excited heat fans are with being able to hate watch some of what is going on with Milwaukee Tyler

hero has injured his ankle. He's going to be out for a couple of weeks. The heat beat a Memphis team that John Morant really bleeped. I got almighty. I mean, they are so bad and Miami wins on the road. I'm so mad that Boston figure out they need to break up with Marcus smart. The emotional ties to Marcus smart was standing in the way of that franchise. Here's what you need to know as perspective of a heat homer.

Every time Marcus Smart had the ball in his hands, I was very happy. I was ecstatic. And that ball found its way into his hands so many times in crucial situations. I was thrilled with it. And now they figured it out that he's not that good. But this was super interesting to me in terms of the choice

bread Stevens made and some of the interesting office dynamics in play when you hear talked about in Boston the idea that Tatum and Chalin Brown weren't quite strong enough to elbow Marcus smart out of the way on our team. So Marcus smart gets traded away from Boston and his heart and soul guy did his hair green, found his identity there. Part of that is on the fans too in the franchise for allowing everybody to gas this guy up. I mean, they did it to themselves. Guy stinks. Okay. That's fine. They should not be excited about a player on their team. No, they shouldn't. They shouldn't not to the point where they make them a leader. Like, come on. Your Marcus

smart, my guy. You can do what you're doing now. I'd still like to rewind for a second on the idea of a guy, defensive player of the year, dives on the floor. What Celtics fans believe they're about while they criticize Jalen Brown can't go to his left. And they don't kind of silky for what I want in my clutch time. I want someone built like the grit of Marcus Mart that management has to come in.

It's an interesting move and emotionally bother the fan base. Drew Holiday was guarding and be last night and well for them to come in and say it's not going to be about our young guys taking this team from Marcus. No Marcus, you got to leave. We've got to give it to them now because they're not going to get past Miami the way the condition that they were in. But I'm surprised because I didn't want to talk about Boston here. I wanted to talk about Milwaukee.

Milwaukee's defensive rating stinks through six games, little or defensively stinks through the beginning part of the season, taking fewer shots, smaller usage rate than he's had. And when him and Janis are on the court together, they're offensive efficiencies, the entire team, all of the lineups that have game and Janis in them, worst offensive efficiency in the league. It's a tiny, tiny sample. They need time to figure all this stuff out. I don't think they have a personnel problem.

I think right now what's plaguing them is they change their systems and they might have a coaching problem. If you're going to make the big ambitious move to get Damien Lillard, maybe switch the timeline up and get Damien Lillard before you make the decision on the head coach because say what you will about Mike Boone-Holzer and his faults come the postseason and his lack of adjustments, I think we all rate a more than Adrian Griffin. And what's happening to their defense? It can't just possibly be on Damien Lillard. And I've heard JJ reddick speak on this. They've changed up their entire defensive system. And those guys

a little bit longer in the tooth. Some of the guys that they were counting on, pro clope as was what third in the depot last year. A lot of the guys that they were going to to, if you look at their roster construction this year to pick up the slack if someone at the point of the of attack was going to get blown by because you don't have Drew holiday there anymore. We're supposed to be nice little fail safes. They're not right now. It's a combination of personnel and adjustments, right?

You lose Drew holiday who's such a tremendous perimeter defender and you replace him with Damien Lillard who objectively is not a tremendous perimeter defender and you replace him with Damien Lillard, who objectively is not a great perimeter defender. Also maybe sending a guy who doesn't really love to play defense to a place that he doesn't want to be to begin with. Maybe not the best idea to then assume he's going to give you top tier effort on defense. But it's also schematically offensively that is a bit confusing and I don't know the numbers after last night, but going into last night's games, Tyler Hero and Thomas Bryant had run 10 more pick and rolls this season

than Damien Lillard and Yana Sante to Cumpo. And I cannot imagine. Say that's that one more time. Tyler Hero and Thomas Bryant had run 10 more pick and rolls together than Damien Lillard and Yana Sante to Cumpo. And I can't understand offensively how if you're struggling with that unit, that's not the obvious adjustment. I just try to get everybody comfortable. I'm mad we're playing Thomas Bryan so much. Slay the holidays with Real Canadian Super Stores PC Holiday Insiders report. Serve Appies under $16, like PC, Pellenta Fries, PC, Cranberry, Bree, Pastry Bites, and PC,

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Comes in, night thinning. Closes the game up. His name is Kenley Jansen. He has blamed his region. VCC Don Lebert are show with his two gods. I should be mad that halfway into our first, we have discussed in more detail Thomas Bryant picking roles than the general threat democracy that exists in the air at present and came to visit us in Miami last night and I'm asking the audience

this because I can't have some things be so consistently crazy that they simply become normal. I have to ask all of you, if I just cytoled up to you in 2015, it's not that long ago, and I just any of you, and I'd come over and I'd say, listen to this, you're not going to believe this. At our Art and Cultural Center in 2023, there's going to be a Republican debate and all of those candidates are going to be behind by 40 polling points. A man doing a rally, a reality television star doing a rally in high alia with 91 felony counts that range from insurrection, the documents around the toilet to just general fraud corruption and malfeasance, 91 of them, and might have an ankle bracelet while running the country, might run from jail.

If I told you all of that eight years ago, and then played for you, this video of Donald Trump in Hialeah, in Hialeaha and told you it's the fifth most expensive housing market in the United States. And that he just is pandering, pandering to nester Cortez of the Yankees and he does that sports fan thing.

He knows nothing. He's just like good fastball, not really, but okay. It's like the only thing that's not good, but it's you can't even not lie about that. Got to pick something, right? I mean, yeah, well, he doesn't

have anything until he's faking his way doesn't have his fast speed He's off speed Yeah, you know, he's got to know who some of the Yankees are come on. He didn't do good off speed He just did fastball. No freaking ball. It was just fake. It was The backdoor sliders off the wall Does he have a sweeper off the charts? Everything has wall in it. I always say wall. It's a thing. Let's play that sound from last night. You'll do well. You're just going to do very well. And your congressman

Carlos Jimenez. You know, Carlos Jimenez. Some people say Carlos Jimenez menace, oh, you don't like him? You have him? What's going on? Carlos, come on, Charles. We got to get that straight now. Carlos, him and his really, wow. Carlos. My lab will happen. I don't know I'm Skyward. We're good people call him Carlos. I call him Jim and I go out here Carl

Jimenez Carlos When he realizes that a senator who endorsed Trump is not popular that's how crazy Oh, you don't like him the Republican Republican, and he just listens to his crowd and he kind of turns on Carlos Jimenez. Well, we got my car load. Come on. These people know, I mean, he's a Trump Republican and he's getting booed at a Trump rally.

That's how deep the conservative party in this country has gone. I say this and it's hard really to laugh, to cry. As I'm watching this, we get, and not just the Republicans, we've gotten the leadership we deserve, correct all of it, just all of it bought, all of it bought by oil, all of it corrupt, all of it more overtly corrupt than we've ever seen before, even as we've known that it's overtly corrupt. You'd have to agree, I think, that it's never been where we arrive in 91 felonies and normal,

normal. Less than 100. This is normal. This is normal courtesy Newsmax for the video. Thank you. This is but this is where and and and in 2024 polling suggest that that's going to win we get the leadership we deserve correct. I mean I'm not that down on America. I feel like we deserve a little bit better. But but Biden is better but not also a very good leader.

You got to ride the hot hand. You got to ride the hot hand is a election record. It's pretty strong. No, this is none of this is great. And again, just to call back to something that I said yesterday, I'm a little uncomfortable normalizing this, but I also don't want to care all that much till next November. Because trust me, I'll get there. I'll get there. Well, maybe that is the way to go. Just sit it out right there. They were encouraging results in the election and what the Biden administration needs to do

is make election day next year about abortions and rights because those are very popular, winning positions on the ballot. And so much that Rick Seymour is lamenting. But that's not how you run a, sometimes a proper democracy is not the way that you run the country because we can seal these elections if these important issues aren't actually on the ballot because people care about their rights. So that's what the Democrats need to do. And I do think most of America will remember, as Molly Jong fast mentioned

earlier in the week when she joined us, that once he's back in the public eye and not just on newsmax, once he's become the candidate for the Republican party and you can no longer ignore him, people are going to be reminded of what that era felt like and then be motivated to go back to the polls. I do wonder though how the average person just listening to this, when I point out the eight years ago thing and how much things have changed since then. I don't consider myself someone who has dabbled in politics. I've gotten, and maybe this is a blind spot in mine

because over the last 10 years, I've legitimately been confused how it is, but before I understood what a tea party was or knew what bright part was, I was legitimately confused at the beginning that I would get held up as somebody who was the enemy of whatever bright part was because I was making arguments on behalf of black guys celebrating in the end zone.

It wasn't even about calling Kaepernick, then it was just all more hidden in the Rush Limbaugh dog whistle days. And so I got caught by surprise. I'm not equipped to talk Israel and Hamas with you, especially not in a climate where we can't simply agree that there cannot be the slaughtering of innocence in a civilization in a place that calls itself civilized. You cannot be slaughtering.

Yet we have to be able to agree on just that, on that much. You cannot slaughter innocent anybody's and to find myself. Look at us. Just a couple minutes ago, we were talking about the seventh panthers defenseman. We were and we talked about Thomas. Thomas Ryan.

Thomas more picking roles. It's a pretty crazy stat. I mean, we got a time. Pretty crazy. Wow, this show. This shows a versatile. It was right here is what I'm saying. It's down on top. That's pretty crazy. Wow, this show. This shows a versatile. It was right here is what I'm saying. It's down the street.

You could smell it. And it also ignored it. Thankfully. Doesn't smell good, but it's not. It's a little harder to ignore when Carlos, when it's in the middle. You don't like him. Jimenez.

Jimenez, though. Come on. That's just saying. Some people are calling him that. I'm like that the correction was G-men-S. Like it still wasn't right. None of the correction still wasn't right. Try three times, even said some people call them Jimenez

and none of them were right. Carlos. I was encouraged. I really hate that guy. Small victories, right? And high alia, which is a stronghold, that is Trump country right there. A lot of people were at that thing. When you compare it to the numbers of a few years ago,

it's about half full. Thickness. Because when it comes to Trump, I'm the eternal optimist. About half full. And a lot of those people were media or adjacent to the campaigns or politicians looking to get the rub. Like, I do think, I hope, I hope against hope that most people are going to take my approach,

which is, I'll get there when you need me. I don't need this mocking me down because I'm far too consumed with Mike Riley, the Florida Panthers seventh defenseman. No, you got to pay attention to these off-year elections in the midterm zone because everything starts locally. No, I pay attention to that. I understand.

And the midterm elections were great for the Democrats and really encouraging stories. The incumbent Democrat governor of Kentucky kept his seat and that's been a pretty solid indicator. The last five elections. So goes to say to Kentucky, so goes the nation. So there's encouraging things Ohio had a lot of good stories too because people came out to vote for their rights, for abortion, for legal marijuana. You had these big, sexy ballot items and that's the lesson that Democrats need to take. That's what this election is about.

It's about keeping freedom, democracy, not normalizing someone that under everybody's eyes tried to steal this election and is still actively trying to steal this election. I think that's what you make the election for, and then you just, both the other old guy in. But what do you do about the Republican and Mississippi government again, his seat back

with everything that happened in a black precinct, with them running out of ballots? What do you do with that though? I mean, you hope that because he is the challenging candidate and not the incumbent that there is only so much electoral interference that he can have, but there are in these states, Republican strongholds that are going to try to intimidate and suppress votes. We know the game. It's the same game that was there four years ago.

In some states, they're making it even more difficult. You got to turn out to the polls in the same way that you did four years ago. Keep in mind, this is the same game that was there four years ago in some states. They're making it even more difficult. You got it. Turn out to the polls in the same way that you did four years ago. Keep in mind, this is the same guy that's in broiled with the bread far volleyball stadium situation. The stuff in Mississippi is really foul. And to be fair, I don't have high hopes for Mississippi. Ah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I wasn't really counted on them But I just like to place in front of the audience the idea of and I know they don't want this from us I don't know that they necessarily want Panthers talk at Thomas Bryan I just want to talk either hashtag FSC week But if you're someone who wants shut up in dribble or you don't want your sports on I get I got it, if you don't want your sports show, you want your sports show to be the cartoon network that allows you to get away from real life. But if not under what seems like obvious threat to your peace, your freedom, your democracy, if not then when then you're just never good with it.

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I think she was married to Roger Rabbit, even though he was a bunny and she was a humanoid, but they were both cartoons. Stugots. I had a crush on Betty Rubble. Oh, wow. What? What?

It's very good. I had a What? What? It's very good. I'm answering. Yeah, that's very good. Oh, with a surprise nomination from Stugant. Showing you a dirty, dirty, inner nine-year-old. DCC Don Lebatar Show with his two-gads. Trans popular things, it seems like they expire faster than they used to. I remember when the turnover chain was a quaint thing at the University of Miami.

People seemed to like it. Countrywide, the rare University of Miami thing that people like, which is that team celebrates turnovers by putting a chain on the sideline. What I saw last night was confusing to me. Miami of Ohio and Akron, there have been many permutations of this, many of them are really dumb, but I don't know, I thought initially when I saw this tire around the head, the turnover tire, a car tire. That's a Photoshop, no? That's real.

How did they get it over the helmet? It seems like a tight fit, but what if I told you, if I didn't give you any access to the history of the turnover chain and I told you this person has turned the ball over, and this is their punishment, they get a tire around the head. You would say that that is somebody being punished for turning the ball over creating a turnover more punishment than reward would look to me but that's also the tires black but this absolutely makes sense to me because acherons the home of the good your tire plan so obviously if this is a sponsor all right let's

show this again and I want again to uh... normalized what roi is saying here we're saying this is totally normal to me this total this totally makes sense to me in what world is this makes sense to you a tire around the head to celebrate a turnover you're right it's it's good year is good year in n iIL, does that kid get money off of wearing their tire on the sideline? Is this a paid advertisement?

At Akron? Akron doesn't have NIL. I mean, I'm sure they do, but you know, not that much, probably. Akron. I mean, their nickname is Zipz. It's not a great nickname. Biggest Zipz.

Yes, it's not an excellent nickname. Is there a lot worse than the tire? Have you seen a lot worse than the tire? Mike was talking earlier about a bone of some other than a team had. Well, there was plenty of opportunities to see the turnover bone in Raleigh. Thanks a Tyler Van Dyke, but North Carolina state has a turnover bone and I wasn't prepared for it because Whoa. Yeah, the first time I saw it was on screen and then someone said, hopefully, and there's the turnover bone. That's aggressive.

It's phallic and ribbed. For someone's pleasure. I mean, if you told me that was the devil's erection, not a bone, like what kind of bone are they going for there? Because that looks like the devil's erection. It looks like that's about to sexually assault Jonah Hill and this is the end. It's very large.

How large is that bones about average? Mike Ryan mentioned Tyler Van Dyke and I want to talk about him a second, Jessica, because I have my remorse about how to discuss this. I'm really on the line on this in a way that, you know, to the degree that ethics are involved in any of what we do, I imagine a college kid though a paid professional, falling apart like that

with his identity in being whoever he thought he was going to be when he came out of the game, out of the gate with 400 yard games at the beginning of his career. And now is clearly playing a football game where nobody on his team trusts him. Like you can see it play out and shouldn't because he's making very bad decisions with plenty of time. And I don't know how critical to be of this person who looks scared to me, looks like they're lacking confidence

because I have no interest in attacking that weakness of a young person, paid professional or not. I'm not interested in like castigating him by criticizing the performance. when I imagine a college kid going through that when he looks obviously scared to us and has reason to be because the coaching staff clearly does not trust him and did not trust

him at North Carolina State and with good reason. What do I do when I they trusted him? I think they kept a minute. They gave him plenty of opportunities. I think they trusted them. They would have made a change if they didn't trust them and we'll find out if they make a change on Saturday. They trusted them.

I'm talking about... I'm talking about... I'm talking about game planning. It was a very rudimentary offense that they were running. And... Dan, let me correct you. No, no, no, Shane and Dawson of, of Geno Smith West Virginia did not call a rudimentary offense for a player that is thrown for 500 yards a couple of times in his

career. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. Stop it. There were players downfield, which you saw because you saw the camera angle that was at the line of scrimmage was Tyler Van Dyke checking down because he can't read his own. It's not because it was a vanilla offense.

Stop. What I watched in result was rudimentary. Yes, but you're putting it on the coaching staff by saying they didn't trust him, which is inaccurate, because they trusted him and they didn't call plays that showed if you want to tell me they called something rudimentary for Emory Williams his first start with Clemson. Yes, 100%. But that's not what happened on Saturday night. What happened was a player who had plenty of time, who saw cloud coverage, and was afraid

rightfully so that every time he tried to test that cloud coverage, he'd throw an interception. So what he did was throw it underneath. It's not because of the route tree. This has been happening for three weeks now with him. And it's been a steady deterioration of him making decisions down the field in the secondary that are bad decisions that are being made with plenty of time and with pocket space in a way that I believe allows us to make the assessment from afar whether it's coaching or him. The position is being played by somebody who doesn't have confidence in what they're doing and it shows It shows on the scoreboard it shows in the results it shows on

Everything they're doing on offense when he has four seconds to throw and he's checking down anyway because he can't find anything down Field the result though on how it is that you analyze that performance. I genuinely feel bad. As someone with a microphone, taking out a college kid critically who's probably already knowing his face off, because if you drop to back to passing that sport and are scared, because you played with two years of injuries

and you don't trust your body and you don't feel like you have whatever is needed here to win this football game, my guess is you're in a pretty mentally frail place that must feel alone and that the way people talk about it isn't gonna help because it's gonna be unkind. It's gonna be cruel because these guys are all under helmets and they're not human beings.

They're not kids. They're Van Dyke, who's got my team with three losses and I don't think I should have three losses. There's a little bit of this happening with other college football quarterbacks as well. Caleb Williams was seen crying after the game against Washington and there was all sorts of discourse of no one wants to draft a kid who's crying after a game. And then the opposite, which is like, he's making millions of dollars, of course, we can criticize it. And to me, college football is not about shitting on mostly teenagers.

And I do think that you have to, especially, I mean, Caleb Williams is a great example because in so many instances, USC's defense has let down their offense and led to some really disappointing results this season. And I think you could say a similar thing about this Miami coaching staff. You can't just entirely blame Tyler Van Dyke. He's not the first college quarterback to have limitations. You have to be able to work around someone who's not a perfect player. You're not playing with Tom Brady every single week when you're a college offensive coordinator.

And it's frustrating, especially for fans to see Tyler Van Dyke backslide a lot from what he was as a younger player to what he is now. So, I don't think you can entirely blame him for a poor performance, although, yeah, like he's not a perfect player. No college football quarterback. No college player is. They all have things that they're good at and things that they're bad at.

And I think what is frustrating is seeing the level of play go so significantly backwards since the season started. And you know, you could blame injuries, you can blame whatever you want. But I do struggle with blaming the player and just saying like, you know, he's a bad player or he just can't do this because there are ways that coaches can work around things like that and still be able to do more than what Miami was on Saturday. This is learning for them. As Kelly Clarkson says, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

And little fun. And then it then. You're totally right about that. Thank you. And the thing that I wanted to explore with you guys because whether you want to make them kids or professionals. I think you're hitting it on the head, Dan. I think you're probably hitting it on the head too much.

Just to be clear, we're not talking about a small thing. We're not talking about someone that can't throw a sideline pattern. We're talking about someone that, when they drop eight, he will turn the ball over if he tries to test that defense. And he's showing you that, not just during this stretch, he's shown you that his entire career. And the reason why you're seeing it more is because he put more tape out there and they realize this offensive line, we're not going to beat him.

Let's drop eight. I think, I think you can blame the coaching staff in some respects, but the way you blame the coaching staff is they didn't make the change. We're not talking about a small thing. The adjustments to win that game, we're changing the quarterback and maybe getting the ball in the hands of playmakers like Rashad Smith, Rashad Smith, who didn't touch the ball at all, who's shown you this season. He can be dynamic, has an ADR run, you can line them up in the backfield, you can do other

things. But when it comes to a quarterback that simply can't throw the ball down field against eight and you're seeing that every play, the only coaching criticism that I have is why are you still putting this guy out there? Isn't part of the job with college quarterbacks though to help them grow as players in learning some of these things, right? Because Tyler Van Dyke and I believe the case here is three different offensive coordinators in three different years for him. And so he really hasn't had much of an opportunity to grow with a singular coaching staff. And now you're dealing with a coaching staff that, by all admission, is seemingly pretty conservative when it comes to the offensive side of the ball.

I believe, right? That one they should be in victory formation. Well, right. There was. Yeah. But I guess it's Except when they should be in victory formation. Well, right. There was the rest of the stuff. But I think I think the ones who have the wants to power one right before. They're conservative now because their quarterback has forced them to be. So I guess the question would be, right? Guys, you looked great. No, when when defenses were trying to get after them,

he looked great. And then he put film out there. This one's not hard to figure out. Well, I guess the question would just be, and it's actually not a criticism as much as a question, is what are your adjustments as a coaching staff to that, other than just pulling the kid out of the game who was supposed to be a top 10 pick?

Like if he has that level of talent to begin with, what do you do from there? Again, also, I don't think it's a good faith argument to say he was supposed to be a top 10 pick. Yes, based off his first five games as a pro and Rhett Lashley's offense, you thought you had a first round quarterback and that was a projection.

And since then, all he's done is backside in the eyes of Scouts. Why? Why? It's because of him. Just me. And that's fine. He's not good enough for this team.

He can still salvage his career, maybe goes back with Rhett Lashley, who figured something out with him. God bless, but the quarterback is clearly holding this team back. And I think I'm saying that respectfully and not calling the kid a dope. I don't know what's any socks. I'm just saying what I'm seeing on the field is not good. Did I say that you did any of those things? I'm telling you that I'm I'm struggling with how to critique performance just how to critique performance because I've never been gentle around someone who looks scared

or felt like in sports or felt the need to reach out to them.