The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Shedeur Sanders Saga

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Shedeur Sanders' drop in the NFL Draft has everyone in our studio feeling Mel Kiper Jr. levels of rabid. Is Sheduer in a good spot? Is he in a terrible spot? And what do we do with the kid named Jax? Today's cast: Dan, Greg, Roy, Amin, Billy, and Tony. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I was told that Stugatz has recovered from his toothache and I was also told that he had a flight in this morning. Unfortunately, I was told that that flight was delayed. And so Greg Cody has rushed in, Amin Elhassen has rushed in. Greg Cody is happy to say that he has Stugatz's exclusive thoughts on the first round of the draft. What are you laughing about? No, I mean, they are. It's a big deal. I mean, you know, Mr. God Bless Football is... One of the misters on God Bless Football. Yes, one of the misters, of course, with Billy. They're a dynamic duo. Well, one of the many misters. They've got a whole, they've got a whole

slew of misters on God Bless Football. The entire Gronk family is on God Bless Football. Yeah, we know who the stars are. are many many mister's right that's true but he's on got he is on the greg cody show featuring greg cohen this this the bleeds episode yes he is just came out today pick it up pick it up like a newspaper read it look at it on youtube whatever you like to do do it to you satisfied greg i have an idea. You heard of tablets? You know about tablets? Like the pill that you swallow?

No, no, no. He was around during the original 10 commandments that were written on them. Well, you know like now, like laptops, tablets, like the tablet you have in front of you that you use. I think, and this is a business opportunity I'd love to go in with you on, if we can make it happen. Because I feel like you're the face of this product sure

foldable tablets with screens on all sides of it and Everyone is like a newspaper so like you have one page on the front side Then you open it up you have a new page a new page a new page on the back I like that when you're done with that open it again four more pages refresh. That's a beautiful idea I'm gonna I'm gonna add because I'm an idea man. Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna layer this idea with, with this. There has to be the sound of ruffling paper. Yes. The sound of a newspaper page being turned. Yeah, there has to be the sound in the top corner a little kind of like ink pad so when you turn it your fingers are dirty. Yeah. From turning the page. Man, you get me. Yeah. No, that's good. Get to work on that, will you fingers are dirty. Yes. From turning the page. Man, you get me. Yeah.

No, that's good. Get to work on that, will you? All right. Yeah. Call the patent office. I know I have told you guys this story before, but to me, it's like my favorite journalism is dying story. A 10 year old son of a friend of mine

walks into a Sunday breakfast nook with his 10 year old friend and my friend is physically reading a newspaper and the 10 year old his friend says to my friend what is that when someone is holding a newspaper and that question is great by itself. But the next question is the killer, which was how did it get here? And so when my friend said, you know, a kid on a bicycle threw it yesterday's news in the bushes, like the 10 year old response was some form of you're shitting me. Like you're that your father's a prankster.

There's no way that that's how they got here. That there's just no way that that was in The basket of some 12 year old kid who then threw it in the bushes That's not a thing that was worth a quarter back in the day foul mouth on that 10 year old He's raising that kid. Geez. I said the equivalent of it. Okay, good Yeah, yeah, you know, we're surviving. Newspapers are so damn expensive now, I went to get one as a prop for a video that I had to do for DoorDash.

One paper, and it was akin to a pamphlet. It was two sections, and then the second section, the first page was the sports section, and then inside was like culture and everything else. It has to have been maybe, and shout out to all the people who are still writing for newspapers, I love and respect you all, but it was maybe like 22 pages total.

The thing was like a pamphlet, $3.00 for a like Wednesday newspaper. Yeah, $3.00. It was insane. Greg Cody just got done saying they're surviving. Are they? Well, the print edition is not. The online edition, the print edition is not. The online edition, the digital edition, is not, I didn't say thriving, I said surviving.

Put it on the poll please, Juju. Are newspapers surviving? Because I don't believe they're surviving right now. I believe they're dying. Well, but when you say newspapers, if you mean that literally, if you mean the print edition that is still thrown onto lawns, I would agree with you. Okay, well, I'm starting there,

but that's the beginning of the death. Like, the diagnosis is the patient is terminal, the patient is dying. The problem is, like, newspapers, people don't understand how versatile they are. You think a newspaper is just to read news. No, newspapers are to put down when you're painting things, to pack things with.

You can use newspapers for almost anything. In fact, I would argue, I've used newspapers for more things than I've read newspapers. I don't think that I've read as many newspaper articles as I've used newspapers to do a thousand other things. We can't lose, we're losing recipes, people. We're losing newspapers. We can't let this die. But I'm not paying three dollars for it crazy

No, I agree. You know, you got a bird put a Greg Cody column on the bottom of the cage. There you go It's like magic. That's still a thing that people put it on the pole Please that lebatard show are people still using newspapers in their bird cage because I'm thinking it's hard to get the newspaper to do that You can get something cheaper than three dollars to do that. I had a bird Polly running out of newspapers. Couldn't put Greg Cody at the bottom of the cage. You know what that bird became? An upset bird. Yeah, I like it. I like that.

This is the Dan Leventor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. What are you smirking about? I caught myself worrying way too much about the positioning of my thermos bottle and whether or not my Greg Cody show decal would show on your air. I really shouldn't be you know that worried about it but you know what can I tell you let's get a thermometer in here does he have a fever Greg Cody felt self aware about self promotion I did yeah but he was just smiling to himself thinking about how self-involved he was like I was starting the show and I was about to say I've got too much to talk about I'm not going to be able to get to all of the things just in basketball from

the weekend never mind everything else and I imagine that a lot today is still covering Shador Sanders so I'm stuck in a situation where not merely am I miserable because I have to talk about people who were drafted. That's the first time I've ever seen a draft become about the guy who wasn't drafted. Like I've seen guys drop, but I have never before seen that. I'm not allowed to play the clip from Bill Burr. None of us have seen that precipitous a drop.

I think all of us would have argued that being Deon Sanders' son would help right up until it didn't because all things being equal it did not help. It's one of the factors. There are a bunch. Like a lot of people are gonna want to cite only one factor. There are a bunch when it comes to Shador Sanders but Bill Burr, I can't play the clip but he does a he does a bit you have the sound I can't play the video but you have the sound all right so rather than me saying it why don't you go ahead and play the sound but you know what that's what you get for watching the draft all right now once again what kind of a loser just sits there watching round after round

the Jets are up next. I think they need a quarterback and they need, they need to improve the defensive line. Dude that's like, that's like going to a graduation ceremony where you don't know anybody who's graduating and just f***ing sitting there. They're gonna have the whole list the next day. They'll have everybody who drafted, who, when. Gotta sit there and watch that shit. Those stupid interviews.

Hey, you're a member of the Buffalo Bells. How does it feel? Well, you know, it's a blessing. I wanna thank God. Gonna try to do my best. It's a great organization. And I'll say the last 80 guys said, so yeah. I don't like the draft and I'm not going to make this show about that, but I do

want to ask the question seriously at LeBittard show, are human beings better are human beings better at evaluating horses than football players because Mel Kuyper is associated by name with knowing how to do this one thing and he spent 41 hours on television with Chauture Sanders as his best available prospect and his anger is born not of anything other than I'm right the NFL is wrong this happens a lot it's the same reason for skip Bayless's anger it has something to do with Stephen A Smith's anger like the media does not like being wrong about something and so you get an emotional response to that wrong that is Mel Kuiper making Reese Davis insane. Let's play some just sound of Mel Kuiper trying to basically argue that he knows more than everyone

in the NFL about evaluating prospects. The NFL has been clueless for 50 years when it comes to evaluating quarterback. Cluel all that. No idea what they're doing in terms of evaluating quarterback. That's proof. There's proof of that. How many times? They say we know exactly what we're talking about with quarterback.

They don't. He ended one segment by saying he was just totally disgusted. And let's just play the sound where he gets Reese Davis mad. I've never seen Reese Davis mad on television. This was like seeing a Macy's mannequin get furious. But Mel, the draft has spoken. That's right. That's the key, Mel. It's not putting a value judgment on whether those who passed it right or wrong.

They did. So now, whenever you're in circumstances in life, whether you like them, whether you don't like them, whether they're fair or whether they're unfair, you might have to deal with them. And now, whether they're fair or whether they're unfair, you might have to deal with them. And now Shadr, Shadr Sandberg has to deal with them. And for whatever reason, whether he played a microscopic percentage, zero percentage, or it's a legitimate criticism of the way

he conducted himself during the draft process, this was the result. Now he has an opportunity to answer it. I mean, I think yelling at the NFL about it is not... Feels like they pushed a button on Shadour Sanders right? Like the call came from up top? This is what Stephen A Smith is arguing is collusion. I would say when people are confused, and we all are, because this is something we're doing that's really subjective, really unscientific. Tom Brady was a six- round pick. We do not know what we're doing

when it comes to this evaluation and I am serious about being able to measure a horse's ability to succeed better than whether an NFL prospect is going to succeed. Dan, do you remember my first ever hit on the Dan LeBretard show? Yes. I thought it was about Goran Dragich.

No, the first ever hit I had I was driving from Bristol to Boston to go for a game and there was a player for the Miami Heat who had taken the world by storm his name was Hassan Whiteside and Dan Lebatard said get this and Sadano says this guy knows basketball let's get Sadano's guy on on the line so he calls up I'm Sadano's guy and he said how's this possible how are all these people evaluating players for a living and how did they all miss him? How was he in Lebanon in the YMCA? How I mean and I said then the kid was an asshole And you were like what why did they ask us at Jack Hall because we're on ESPN radio

So then I explained I said The talent is undeniable So then I explained I said The talent is undeniable But in I told the story from pre-draft where there was a coach that asked them What do you need to do to get better at the next level and Hassan Whiteside said nothing? Not he didn't say anything. He said the answer nothing and the coach said I get it. You're confident We're all confident, but everyone's working. Everyone's trying to get better health Kobe Bryant's the best player in the league he's working every day trying to get better what do you need to get better at and Hassan Wites has said nothing and so

the coach loses his temper and says oh so you're just effing perfect right and Hassan Wites has said pretty much ladies and gentlemen that's how you fall in a draft. I don't know what Shadrass Sanders did or didn't do in his pre-draft interviews, but when you look at the talent, you say, okay, he's got the talent, but then you counterbalance it with A, the record was all right, not great, not awful, but just all right, and then B, like, how you comport yourselves in in in these situations the matter it and i would imagine in the nfl world it matters even more because they really don't like eccentric personalities over there

and so i don't know what he did or said maybe maybe it was mild i have an idea that when thirty teams pass over you once or when 30 teams pass over you once, or 32 teams pass over you once, twice, three times, four times, it must have been something that you said that was pretty egregious. Well, no, no, no, no. It can be and things that you said,

but Ryan Leaf was drafted very high and everyone knew what the problems were and then became addiction problems on top of that if you have the talent the arm talent jeff george was an asshole everybody knew jeff george was an asshole it doesn't matter if you actually have the arm talent the thing that makes it really hard which you do or sanders a number of things make it hard took more sacks than any other college quarterback now i happen to know that

that's because his offensive line stunk but i cannot untangle all of the do-si-do-ing and running around in circles that he tried to do extending plays with slow throw times and he's not kyler murray's not lamar jackson he's not that kind of athlete so you have that over there you also have what uh... amin is saying which is you can't be that cocky if everyone who's interviewing you knows you're not that good. Like that, the coaches were not

surprised by him dropping in that draft, but to me the part that is most worth examining on what happened here is why the disconnect between how and why so many people in the media were telling us that this was going to be someone who was drafted second or third as a quarterback to falling into the fifth round. Why the disconnect between what the media was telling us and what actually happened that ended up with all of the experts being confused. Coaches were not surprised that he fell.

Everyone was surprised that he fell that much. I mean, did you see, I mean, they're just reports and not confirmed, but how some of the meetings went, because like they were pretty comical. And we don't know that this is real, but the reports were that he went in, he had headphones on, he had music playing the entire time.

He had, they were around his neck, so they weren't over his ears. He had an entourage come with him, they'd ask him things like, where do you see yourself in five years? And he'd say things like, I'm gonna be the mayor. And then they would just kinda like, his entourage would laugh at him.

Supposedly the one with the Giants went very poorly, even though Dable came out. I think the thing, you know, beyond everything else is, there's only a handful of teams that needed a starting quarterback, right? And once Pittsburgh elected not to get it, really once the Giants went with Jackson Dart. It became a thing of okay Well, he's he could be Pittsburgh, you know maybe next round then Pittsburgh didn't get him and then it became a fall and

When you didn't bring him in to be the starting quarterback then every team who either Interviewed with or didn't interview with or his dad said he wouldn't want to play for whatever How much of how much are you gonna invest in someone to be your backup quarterback that you don't really know what you're gonna get if he's tanking the interviews? It wasn't just the physical limitations, it wasn't just the entourage, it was that if you draft Shador Sanders, you're drafting Dion and all that circus. The Hall of Famer Dion? The Hall of Famer. The Hall of Famer who's better than any of your coaches at

football. Yeah but you're not drafting Dion to come coach your team or play for your team. You're drafting Dion in a Levar Ball rule. Alright be a leader. Be a tough leader and can you handle Dion or not? Like you can't handle a dad coach? But Dan like you're asking for like the Giants for example, where Dayball is about to lose his job to gamble his future career on Shador Sanders. And if they butted heads in the interview, why would he do that?

And Dan, this is true in every sport, will put up with as much as your talent dictates. He's good. Is he, that kind of story good? Bringing the headphones? will put up with as much as your talent dictates he's good is he that that that that kind of story good bringing the headphones it that's my point like there are guys like that he's is a helluva player but it's like if you come in

acting like that and you better be the lebron james of this and i think he's not the lebron james of college football actually wasn't there has to be commissary on some level, and especially in that sport, and especially that position where they're like, this person's supposed to be a leader. Even if he is, great. How can I have a leader who comes

and makes a mockery of things? Again, that's allegedly, because we don't really know what happened. The funny thing, Billy, of all the stories I heard, the day ball one is the one that sounds the realest. All the other ones sound like they're just trumped up. I mean, it's all speculation, right? Because none of the teams are gonna confirm any of this

because what's the point of it when you're going through a draft and- They'll do it anonymously. Well, but even that, there's no point. Every team but one didn't take him, right? And he ended up landing in a pretty good spot for him. It's a team that some people speculated he was gonna be at anyways,

and I mean, him falling to the fifth round. That's not a good spot for him. That is a good spot for him. No, it's a terrible spot for him. It's a team that some people speculated he was gonna be at anyways and the I mean him falling to the fifth round. That's not a good spot for him. That is a good spot. No it's a terrible spot. Okay. It's a quarterback room that's got four other quarterbacks. Yeah that he can beat out for a starting job Dan. Sean Watson is not gonna be there. Joe Flacco is injured every time. There's two rookie quarterbacks. He could win a starting job. He could get significant playing time. The reason it's not a good spot is because you heard his father say if he goes to Cleveland we're gonna Eli the situation it's not where we want to be. Okay but his father it was proven

didn't have that power. I'm just telling you that it's not a good spot when that's how they're viewing it. I mean that quote is old too that wasn't that wasn't like from yesterday or over the weekend so I mean and and and you guys are gonna have some trouble naming Brown skill position players that aren't chub who's broken or in joku who is shirtless, like you guys are going to, you guys are going to have some trouble, you guys are making the reason that this is a bad spot for Shadour to go in the fifth round beyond money is because you get so many fewer opportunities.

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it this is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats Guys we've gone about 15 minutes in the show. Can we talk about the phone call now? I've been waiting. We're doing all those serious draft talk like Bill Burr was talking about. But no, man, I want to talk about the prank call. I don't even want to talk about how stupid and how insensitive it was. I want to talk about how the person making the call is the son of an NFL coach.

How in the hell, not like an eight year old, 21. Put it on the poll, Juju at LeBittard show. If your name is Jax, are you more likely to get into trouble like this? Because his name is Jax. He is the son of Jeff Ulbrich, the Atlanta defensive coordinator, and apparently this wasn't the only time they did this. I don't know what was dumber, the prank, or showing everybody that you were the one responsible for the prank.

But if you're going to do the prank, you don't wanna do it quietly, you wanna get credit for the prank if you're a teenager. Back in the day, you used to do the prank call for you and your buddy. That was it. You would make the call. You'd put it on speaker.

You'd laugh. Ha ha, look what we did. All of a sudden, now people are doing it for the clout. I mean, I don't like that. Doing it for the clout. And guess what? 298 million, 300 million Americans could do it for the clout, and it's fine.

You know who can't do it? Someone whose dad works in the NFL. You dumb little shit! How much trouble is Jackson with his dad today? He's out of the will. Oh yeah, he should be fired from the family. Seriously. I mean, what he did was literally inexcusable. And there's gonna be repercussions there.

I don't know what they'll be, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Falcons got fined by the league or something. Because this is a serious thing. Am I making too much of a leap to say, it's not just like, hey man, your dad works in the NFL, that's a bad look on him. It's, where'd you get that phone number from? He said an open iPad. When he walked in the room, he saw the open iPad and then magically, Shadoor's number was in there.

So in that sense, you want to talk about someone getting in trouble. Man, I could tell you stories about the Miami Heat being upset about video coordinators for allowing a playbook, an outdated playbook, to make it out of the facility. Brother, you got your iPad just open and your kid went in there and made prank calls off of it?

Like, that is next level deep shit, Jeff Albrook. All right, so you're blaming Jeff when you need to to blame Jack's unless you're blaming Jeff for the I'm blaming him for the open I bet the parenting okay parenting and an open he also just got there cuz he was like the Jets interim head coach Like this isn't a first-year mistake Jeff come on So Greg Cody is saying this is a bad serious thing and there need to be repercussions and Amin is out here saying you dumb shit. Little shit. Yeah.

I am here to argue on behalf of the prank. I will preface this by saying obviously cruel and obviously wrong to do. However, as a prank, it's a great prank. It works as a prank. If you're gonna give Anthony Davis a show on Max, like it's cruel and people got mad on behalf of Shador Sanders, cause they're like, man, he feels bad enough.

Don't do that to him when he's down. He's a national laughing stock. It's like piling on someone who's got so much internet shame. You guys wouldn't do that, right? You guys would never do that, make a bunch of jokes on the internet about somebody who's drowning in internet shame. He's already in the shame. People are already feeling it on his behalf. However, you guys aren't going to argue with me that it doesn't work as a prank. For those of you who don't know what the prank was, someone called Shador Sanders and pretended to be the saints that were drafting him as he fell in the draft. You guys will agree that as a prank just by

definition that's how a prank works. I would put a B on the execution. Yeah. I would have because he does the call and says but you're gonna have to wait a little longer and then I was like look man I want you to go if you're gonna do this right it was game plan this let's go all the way Let's have him like really believe he got drafted by the Saints. Let's have a Lady call and say okay. We got to set up your travel like just take it all the way Let's Nathan Fielder this thing if we're gonna do a prank. Let's prank Let's not be a little longer. Oh nobody cares that Tyler Warren from Penn State was pranked nobody cares that Isaiah Bond was pranked

Cooper de Jean was pranked last year no one cares about any of those right this is the only prank we care about the fourth one of these guys know those happened right this is the one everybody cares about because he's piling on a guy who's going through the worst well night of his life in fairness when they did it to him they didn't know he would fall like two days and continue to plummet to the fifth round. It was, I think, a first round prank, and it's like, hee hee hee.

All right, he's gonna fall to like, end of the first round, but we got him. But you know that video doing numbers, right? Oh my God. Videotaping, I don't understand the video, this isn't a crime, but I don't understand people videotaping felonious activities and putting it on the internet. It's the wildest self snitching stuff that people do now. That's crazy It's doing crazy numbers Billy. That's why they're doing crazy numbers

We're like, okay, let's just play out how the NFL works, right? So Jeff Ulbrich. He now works for the Falcons He worked for the Jets. He's in a career NFL coach, assistant coach, he'll go in, he'll be interim head coach, whatever, right? Name never mentioned on this show before today. That's not true, he was the interim head coach. Yeah, he was the Jets interim head coach last year when they fired Robert Sala. I don't believe that.

You talk about how sexy he was with his beard last year. There you go. He was a good looking guy. Now you know it's true. Yeah. That was on God Bless Football. No. His name has never appeared on this show.

I'm not sure. Anyways, the point is, Jack's his son, brother, all you have to do is like not do that. And you'll get a job and a career in the NFL. Your daddy's a coach already. Just don't video yourself messing with draft, famous draft prospects in the middle of a historic plummet and you'll get a coordinator thing and you'll work your way up and then boom, Lane Kiffin. But Mr. Gill, I don't want to work in the NFL.

I want to be a star. The biggest star there is on YouTube in TikTok. Cody, when you raise your finger, usually you want to talk. I do. that cody when you raise your finger usually want to talk i do uh... i can't i can't honor this as a great prank until i hear it

because the idea of a twenty one-year-old imitating mickey lumas who's like my age it it just doesn't it can't be a good imitation do you guys do old man voice can any of you do old man voice to it to work on it in quiet and see if you can come up with an old man voice as people who are not uh... old people and in the interim allow me to play just bill tobin many years ago speaking about mel kiper junior because

i will uh... i i think people know this greg you know this uh... whether it's jilluxbaum a million years ago who was making a living and an identity around I'm good at analyzing whether young people will become professional prospects. That career and that group of people, an unusual group of people. It's not just because Mel Kuiper eats pumpkin pie every day or he should be jailed for how he eats pizza,

which is to scrape all of the cheese off of the pizza. Oh, that's great, I've done that. What do you mean that's great? It's really good. Oh yeah. It's great. Put it on the poll at Levitar Show. Do you trust anyone who scrapes all of the cheese

off of their pizza? My dad does that. That's more because he wants to do like a low carb thing. I'm like, buddy, if you want to do a low carb, I think Dan, you've kind of done that too. Get rid of the crust, not the cheese. Your dad doesn't know what carbs are. He just grabs like the pizza and the pepperoni and the cheese off the top and then eats it. I'm like, bro, you just wasted an entire slice. Those things don't have the carbs. The carbs are in the crust and the bread. That kind of thing. If it's a good pizza, the cheese just falls off. You don't need the carbs. The carbs are in the crust and the bread. That kind of thing.

If it's a good pizza, the cheese just falls off. You don't need to take it off. It just falls right off the pie. Let's listen to Bill Tobin here just tell you many, many years ago what he thought as an NFL executive of Mel Kuiper Jr. and his draft ilk. One question, Bill, a lot of criticism about not taking a quarterback here.

Your response? Well, you know, we got a guy up there. draft ilk. He's never been a coach. He's never been a scout. He's never been an administrator. And all of a sudden, he's an expert. He's in our papers two days ago telling us who we have to take. We don't have to take anybody that Mel Kuiper says we have to take. Mel Kuiper has no more credentials to do what he's doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor's a postman, and he doesn't even have season tickets to the NFL. Everybody had an opinion on this. Donald Trump, who will have an opinion whenever there are people gathered having opinions,

wandered in and called all NFL owners stupid. That put people in a corner, right? Where Trump is like, you guys got a draft, should do it, and it's like, oh, wait, what do we want now? Emmanuel Ocho said that he should go back to college, not really understanding the way the rules work saying that six point five million dollars is what he could get in an i l money at colorado whereas the rookie

wage scale is gonna is gonna hurt it's gonna be a few hundred thousand dollars well trump is still angry at the nfl remembered that he sued them he won but the nfl paid one dollar mess on it i don't think it's inconceivable that he goes back to Colorado. I know it's against NCAA rules. I'm pretty sure it's against completely. I know that it's against NCAA rules but everything is changing in the NCAA and college football. There's got to be some sort of a path for him to to get back to college and that's why it's being

reported as speculated on by several people not just him But it's not allowed Billy usually when you raise your finger you want to talk Yeah, no, I'm just I'm confirming that we're talking about Shador Sanders because I was so thrown off by this idea Do you think should door Sanders would want to sign up for that draft night again? Like because again he landed in a spot where he could end up starting Again, Billy continues to say that a Cleveland's Brown's job is a good job because again he landed in a spot where he could end up starting. Again Billy continues to say that a Cleveland Browns job is a good job. They drafted Dan they drafted a tight end and two running backs they have Jerry Judy like

this is a good spot for him he could start here. To be fair the expectations are zero so all he has to do is have a good camp and then then Deshaun Watson flames out, we all know that. I don't understand, like, if he was drafted at number two by the Browns, we'd be celebrating it. But the fact that he was drafted in the fifth round by the Browns, it's a different team? Jerry Judy, I am going to have to concede to you because he had a good year last year,

even though it felt like Josh Gordon doing that with Brandon Weeden. You have to have a number one receiver. Jameis Winston is throwing the ball all over the place. All of a sudden, Jerry Judy looks like a number one receiver, even though physically he's always looked like a number one receiver. And never before getting to Cleveland has he played

like a number one receiver. You and I can continue to disagree on whether a Cleveland Browns job is a good job. We can continue to disagree on whether having a quarterback room that has Deshaun Watts and Flacco, Kenny Pickett, and Gabriel in it, Dylan Gabriel, like whether that's too crowded or not. To be honest, when you got that many quarterbacks, Dan, what do you got? You don't have any quarterbacks. They're all beatable. But he's not gonna be drafted by the Chiefs. So are the Browns with any of them. Okay, but like if he would have gone to the Titans, the

Titans a better option for him? The draft, like the bad teams are the ones that draft the quarterbacks. I'd say that the bad setup for anyone is to be a fifth round pick in a room where they have four quarterback options that aren't you that they're paying more than you because of how it is that the day ball thing works out

where people who have their jobs on the line tend to unite with management on going with people who are paid the most or invested in the most or drafted the most or, or traded the most for or is your guy and Shador's not going to get the kind of reps in the five quarterback room that you need in order to win that job or show somebody something. But it's not gonna end up being a five quarterback room. They're gonna get rid of some of them.

And like your own argument is Shador's incredible value right now. You have him locked up for how many years? For what? Like he's getting paid nothing on this rookie deal. Like you're incentivized to keep him on your roster. Yeah, they don't have a starting quarterback. It's not like he's coming in there trying to beat out him

and him and he's the third guy right away it wouldn't surprise me in the least issue doors and as winds up as their starting quarterback and and he i think we can all agree that nobody in the nfl right now certainly nobody coming out of that that is more motivated to show how good he is and to put on a middle finger to the NFL. Let me go over a couple of things here before we move on to other things because you know

his pro day did have the showcase of Showtime on it. There were cookies with Deon's logo, a lot of legendary on it, a lot of the word legendary everywhere and this kind of stuff was planned by beyond event planner and then you have this video of cam ward and should or sanders interacting in people showing you uh... that they have their biases when it comes to arrogance they're saying this right here is why cam ward goes number one and how it is the chator Sanders ends up falling.

I've been on Parva Tamarink. Come on, bro, let's make a song. This drop point, we're gonna see. I play football. Here we go. Yeah, this is football. Yeah. I play football.

You ain't got no hobbies on Saturday? I play football. That's all you got? I want people to know me as football player. They search up Cam Ward, and you say, American football. Back in my zone, man, you know I can't stop. I was blue faced, I was really with that mop. They say that I was sleeping.

That could have been edited out, I don't know why. We got a little blue face matching there. I don't know why, just enough to lose our YouTube monetization because we don't edit things correctly. That one was just idiotic. That one wasn't even like the great clip. There's a better clip of them outdoors where they're talking trash and Cam Ward says, you're getting a water break after one drill.

And she just says, I wasn't drinking water. I was taking Gatorade. That's shit they pay me for. Cam Ward, zero star recruit, because nobody knows anything when it comes to this stuff. Zero star recruit. To me, that, Greg Greg was what was most on display with all of this we think we know something when we don't know shit

is particularly at that position I think but you mentioned you compared analyzing resources and and athletes resources never give a bad interview they never betray themselves with their arrogance when they're being vetted for athleticism should or sanders did plainly uh... people don't want that and they don't want the headphones and and the disrespect all but stop just a little it if you're not as as i mean said

you're not good enough does it seem like he's real respectful wander around telling everybody at wrestlemania that is penis is bigger than everyone else is like what was respect have to do with anything here didn't have to be a versus one of the very best place he was a number one over all the doors and there's is one of the few stars that there are in college football all i'm not about stars man i'm not about marketing here i'm talking about basketball wise everyone said that dude's the man

We like unequivocally. I mean Shador Sanders has been told he's the man since he was born Only until this draft does he think he's not the man Dan. I'm telling you that the talent evaluation system had Anthony Edwards as the Surefire number one overall pick not daddy and my sick of fans told me that not the internet told me that the talent evaluation system right you can't compare Shadur Sanders to Anthony Edwards as prospects coming in I think the other thing too is Anthony Edwards proved that he was him Shadur Sanders has been told that he's been him the entire time when he had him on his team.

Travis Hunter, who was that guy that went out and said, I'm gonna play both sides of the ball, I'm gonna play Heisman level football, and here we are getting drafted, traded up for in the first round to prove that. I mean, it's not entirely fair to Shador, right? Shador is a five-star recruit out of high school. He got scholarship offers from everybody out there.

Every team wanted him in college. To what Dan was saying, Cam Ward was a zero-star recruit. Cam Ward was a zero-star recruit in part because of the scheme that his high school ran. So he wasn't getting the offers because they thought that he was more of a runner than a passer. And then you had Incarnate Ward who took a chance on him. And then he repaid Incarnate Ward because he signed with them. And then their coordinator goes on to Washington State. He follows them to Washington State and then he proves that he's a star,

ends up in Miami, becomes the number one pick in the NFL draft, which he also did because he decided to stay an extra year in college where last year he wouldn't have been the number one pick in the draft. So Cam Ward had it, they didn't see it because of the style play that they were doing in his high school, but he proved that he was.

Shador is someone that everybody wanted on their team, and he took a different path by following his dad to Jackson State and then to Colorado. Also, real quick, like Tony said, Anthony Edwards told us about how big his dick was up 20 in a playoff game at LA. Not over playing. No, he did it at WrestleMania.

No, he did it, no, that was at a play out game. That was courtside. He was on the scores table. Yeah, he was on the scores table. It was him and Rudy Gobert. He said, Rudy's worth 200 and Rudy went like this. Oh, he did like this. He got you cotton and Cloris Bastards.

Let me play some, or read some sound to you from, I should say read some back and forth between LeBron and Rudy Gobert this weekend that I wonder if you guys could ever again be friends with anybody that you had this back and forth with okay just the trash talk that is common in the NFL at every turn because there is plenty of trash talk everywhere the back and forth was Lebron went to the referee and said eject this uh... mother bleeper he just elbowed me in the head

uh... rudy gobert came back at lebron and said called him a soft ass mother bleeper and then lebron said i will kick the shit out of you that is an interaction that two human beings, now they don't like each other and haven't liked each other for a while, but if you guys had any of that as an interaction with your friends, you're pretty much done speaking for a while, correct?

Like, or a coworker. If you're having that interaction with a coworker and then you have to work again with that coworker, are you still speaking with that person? Incorrect. I've been in that situation and then like five minutes later, hey, you wanna go get a beer? Like, hey man, that's what dudes do. Is it? Okay, I've never done that.

And like, if I... You've never... No, I've never had that exchange with anybody that I intend to have any kind of relationship with after that. You never call somebody a soft-ass MFer? You never elbow to anybody in the head? No, I don't do all of that. If you're friends, you say those exact same words and it comes off totally different,

right? Okay, but the tone and the intent matter. Like if you're friends and you're just fooling around, yes these two people were not fooling around. The Lakers are about to have their season extinguished as a three seed. Anthony Edwards the last couple of seasons is slaying dragons. Dan they're not friends why are you keep saying if you were friends or friends Rudy go better than LeBron or not oh no I'm just saying that co-workers interacting in and spaces that are even competitive if we had that exchange if you saw that exchange right now between two people in our office that is not an exchange that will then just be forgotten

It's something that's gonna linger here in the workplace and in the relationship Bad analogy better analogy is if it happened between you and Colin Calhart or you and Dan Patrick You guys aren't co-workers you work for different companies same industry You should throw elbow in the back of Dan Patrick's head and then they are co-workers They share a space they share a confined space together. No, they're not co-workers then Then imagine if you will we're building we're at a construction site, right and you're building this part But then here come the HVAC people like I don't work with the HVAC people I'm just the carpenter here

So I can I throw an elbow to the HVAC guys head like it doesn't always how could you do that to your co-worker like I don't know this dude man I've seen him around because he's on our job site but that's it it's like a lion and a gladiator those were not co-workers those were adversaries they were in confined space together but like they're looking to kill each other so the people who are hugging at the end of the games after they've won or lost teammates sharing jerseys or opponents sharing jerseys or opponents sharing jerseys those people aren't co-workers no all NBA players aren't

co-workers I don't want to know but this but no but to Billy actually they were co-workers afterward they will go get a beer at the local tavern the lion and the gladiators oh tough one today oh yeah man yeah you want to be a favorite you want to stop with the spear like just I get it, you gotta do a show, but come on man, I'm getting pumped here. Who's got the best old man impersonation back there? Who's got the best Mickey Loomis impersonation? I think we all can give you one.

All right, go ahead. All right, so I'll go first. I need complete silence to get into character. Please do not interrupt. Close your eyes, because this is a prank call, you can't see me, right? This is Mickey Loomis here, the GM of the New Orleans Saints. How you doing?

That kind of thing. I mean, that just sounds like you. And it doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. Let me give it another crack at it. Hold on. It doesn't work.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me give it another crack at it. Just go to commercial. Just go to commercial. Just go to commercial. We're going to take you with our next pick right here, man. Just shut his microphone off. Got to want to earn, got to want to learn. Just shut his microphone off.

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