The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Show's Cause for Show-Cause

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

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What a show cause mean? I don't know what the term means. I don't know why it's what. worded the way it is. I don't know what the term means. It just means like basically, so he's got a 10-year show-cause penalty. We're talking about Jim Harbaugh. This is the Michigan punishments have come down from

the NCAA. And basically for 10 years, like these penalties will follow him should he ever come back to college football. Right, but like Sharon Moore got, I think, a four-year show cause. Yeah. He's still a coach of Michigan. Oh, it doesn't mean he's fired. It just means he's got

penalties. What are the penalties? We'll figure that out, right? Show and cause. Show cause. No, but it's just like, it's, hey, man, don't ever come back over here again. And Jim Harbaugh is, like, counting his money in L.A. Like, all right, cool.

Like, why would I ever come back? This is the reason I left. Yeah, like, I just want to be able to pay my players and do deflate, I mean, SpyGate stuff without having to worry about, ooh, the college people are mad. But why is it called show cause? Show cause.

I'm glad you asked, because I never gave a thought either. It was just always something associated with a coach that you're not supposed to touch with a 10-foot pole. But apparently, after doing some research, if you want to hire a specific coach that has the show cause penalty attached to them, there's another added layer of bureaucracy when it comes to hiring that coach. You have to go petition the NCAA and show a reason as to why you should be allowed to hire this coach. Oh, you have to show a cause. That's right.

So, again, the dumbest penalty in sports. and again, why is Shroom Moore still the coach in Michigan if there's a show cause penalty against him right now? They show the cause. And the cause is he's already our coach. What do you want us to do? This was all negotiated. I mean, but it's like why?

You know what it's like? It's sometimes in schools, I don't know if they do this anymore. Like if the star player got into some problems, got some trouble. And it's like, oh, they're going to suspend him for a game. It's like, we're announcing we're going to suspend him for a half. Oh, no. Think of the children. Why does college do this? How is that a penalty? It's always strange. Miami had a safety named Amari Carter that would always pick up a penalty in the second half for a personal foul for targeting. And he would always be suspended for like the first half of the next game.

Nice. And then he would do it again. That's a great way to get out of playing first halves, man. I mean, you have an incredible Peter Warwick memory. for some reason or another. Didn't Peter Warwick get suspended for a half for shoplifting, or was that the full game? Am I remembering that correctly?

It was more than that. That was something else he got suspended for. But like when the shoplifting, the shoplifting, by the way, it wasn't shoplifting. It wasn't shoplifting. It was a coordinated, orchestrated strike against Dillard's in Tallahassee. What it was was they knew like the cashier or something. And so they would like grab stuff.

It's my job. And then, yeah, exactly. And then when they rung them up, I'll never forget this. The total was always 2140. And everyone was like, why is it 2140? I said, well, because she was charging $20, and then the tax is 7%. So it comes out to 2140. The bill was $412, and you nailed it.

2140. I'm telling you, he's got Dillards. He's got an insane Peter Wark memory. I've said this a million times before. Look, I've watched a lot of great college football players, you know, Reggie Bush and Vince Young and all those guys were amazing. there's no one I've ever seen that was better than Peter Ward. I know.

He was expected to be so good, and he had such an average NFL career. I think he had injuries that basically, like, pulled back on what he could have been. I don't think he ever had a thousand-yard season. No, he didn't. He didn't. But in college, sheesh. Like, I can't, I wish I could explain to younger listers, man, the inevitability. And he's a wide receiver.

Like, think about that. that, right? It was awesome. A wide receiver could be so good. You could throw it anywhere. You could throw it to them anywhere, and you were going to get a big gain out of it. But Michigan. Michigan, Zaz, this is not a punishment, right? I guess the thing that I took away from it most is it seems like they're done, the NCAA, who just has no control over anything anymore. And they really let everybody know for the last and final time that they don't have control

over anything. When they came up with this suspension, which, I mean, there was cheating and they were stealing signs and look, stealing signs happened during games. That's no problem. I mean, that's what it is. But they were going above and beyond throughout the week, throughout the months and they were cheating and stealing signs and they're on sidelines when they're not allowed to be

on sidelines and what have you. Like, this would be the occasion. I'm not even talking about taking away their championship. I hate when they do that, you know, but you certainly would have expected them to do postseason ban. There you go. So, but that's another one. Taking away the championship. That's not a real punch.

Come on. Like, it happened. Like Memphis, you didn't go to the final four. And Derek Rose didn't score a single point. Like, bro, we went to the games. We saw it. It happened. Everyone enjoyed it.

We celebrated that night. You can't take that away. Yeah. I hate when they do that. Michigan. Chris Weber and Dylan Rose, you guys didn't accomplish anything. So is he absolved from calling the time out against UNC? And they're taking that whole run away, right?

I guess we could ever bring that up again. But the thing that stood out to me most was, So apparently they're never going to do postseason bans anymore. I feel like that's what they just did because part of the reason was they don't want to, it's weird. They don't want to punish kids who are on the team right now who had nothing to do with what happened then, except they used to do that and you were never allowed to then transfer back then. Now you're allowed to transfer. So like it's backwards. Back then was when they shouldn't have punished kids who weren't part of the team because they were not allowed to say, all right, then I'm out of here.

Now they should actually punish these teams because kids can enter the portal and just be like, all right, I'm dipping. I'm out. So it's so backwards the way they're doing it now. The NCAA. And the outsourcing of the NCAA's powers has already begun with Deloitte and the NIL clearinghouse and the REB share, all that started in August. And I don't know if the NIL clearinghouse has approved a deal, a single one. I think that they're just trying to kick this can down the road before Congress actually has to do this because they know the second that they cap what a kid can make with their very subjective fair market NIL deal. They know it will be challenged in court and a moratorium would be installed and we'd go right back to the way that things were.

I'm pretty sure they haven't actually approved a deal in a couple of weeks that they've been in charge. If I ask you guys right now, how long before we get a college football super league? Well, I mean, the Big Ten is already trying to do this kind of stuff. But how long before it actually happens? We're like NCAA, we just don't care about you. Hey, Alabama, hey, Michigan, hey, like all the big powers. We're all just going to create our own Super League, kind of like what they tried to do in Europe a few years ago. I think only the consumers in this country are far less power.

They don't want to use their voice in a similar fashion, and their rights usually get trampled. And by the way, I don't know if the consumers would even care. Like, in England, they care that, what do you mean, that Arsenal won't be playing Wolverhamptonshire? Like, that matters to them. It matters to the Arsenal fans. It matters if you increase a price of a sody pop sense. Right. Like, those things matter. But I'm saying, like, in this country, if we said, hey, well, Alabama and everyone gets to play Vanderbilt again, other than people who go to Vanderbilt or support Vanderbilt, nobody cares.

Who cares? I just want to see Alabama Ohio State every week, right? But over there, like, they care. The fans of the big clubs care. What do you mean? I don't get to play Montpelier anymore. Like, that really means something to them. For sure. I mean, hundreds of years, and you also have hundreds of years of tradition, you also have screwy situations in which the supporters own parts of certain clubs or the grounds of certain clubs and clubs can't do things without the permission. Here in America, American consumers have been. and so beaten down by what capitalism is. Like, okay, what's the fee now? All right, cool. We're adding $47 to a ticket master fee. They're just so used to not having a voice here that it's never going to replicate that,

which is a shame because Europe during the Super League showed exactly the power of your consumer. I wish we had that here. You simply cannot get away with this. You have to stop. Imagine if they tried to do if football fans were the base for streamers over in Europe. What we have over here, which is just 17 different streamers,

announced streamers that don't exist. It wouldn't be a lot. I love this. I feel like this last couple of weeks, consumers found out two things. How many platforms I need to watch my NFL games, how many platforms I need to watch my NBA games. And people lost their shit for the first time. Like, what? I need this and that and this and that.

And I'm like, what did y'all think was happening? All this time when they're talking about $60 gazillion dollars in these TV deals. I don't know. I can't get wrapped up in all of it. I know Mike is so angry these last couple weeks. It's his fault. Yeah, I guess so. Like, I can't get... Tell me where, what I need to watch the games and, like, I'm going to make an informed

decision if that's what I want to do. Well, I hear you. And what you said there is the issue. Tell me what I need. Yeah. They're not really clearly telling me what I need. Yeah, Mike feels like he's in the dark. When they're announcing bundle packs with Fox One and ESPN, things that don't exist, the way

that they announced, I thought Fox One and ESPN were supposed to be bundled with Max, and that wasn't, that was announced, that was a thing, there was a pricing tier, and then it was ruled to be illegal, and so then that's not happening, so then there's a standalone ESPN, and WWE's on there, but hey, this is a new rebranding of the standalone ESPN, and by the way, a couple days later, there's going to be a bundle with Fox. What does that look like? We won't tell you just yet. So that's what cable providers did. Just kind of like, all this work, just kind of here. One space, go there. Flood the zone. They're flooding the zone with streamers and what ends up happening is you have to pay for cable and the streamers, because

if you want the full streaming experience, you still have to have the cable audience. You've got to have the cable rights to then sign into the streamer. You can't even effectively cord cut anyway. I've got the outline for the MBAs where you can watch situation. That's for this year. That's starting this year? Starting this year. Okay. So Sundays, you can watch on ABC NBC or Peacock. That's after NFL season is over. Because Sunday is dominated. Monday, Peacock.

Tuesday, NBC and Peacock. Wednesday, ESPN. Thursday Prime. Friday Prime and ESPN. Saturday Prime and ABC. There you go. So not confusing whatsoever. Four or five different platforms.

The problem is it used to be like ESPN on Wednesdays and Fridays and then Tuesday, Thursday was TNT. And then after football season we had ABC for Sundays and that was that. Did you see apparently only one time, and I think it might be opening night, only one time before Christmas ESPN's using inside the NBA? Yeah. No, that makes sense. They don't blow their lot on a random-ass Friday game. Like, they want it when people are watching.

So they'll do it opening week, and then they'll do Christmas. And then after that, we'll start picking up. I would assume you also don't want to cannibalize your football slate. ESPN has a fair amount of football that airs on their streamers and conventional channels, you want to dedicate your fall programming to football. If you have inside the NBA, that means less football, and football brings in the ratings, even the Macion. The Macion.

I don't know, like there's a lot of complaining from us. It sounds like when it comes all, it's different channels this night, this night, this night. I don't know. It wasn't that long ago where you had, it was TNT on Thursday nights and, like, that's all you got. I mean, now we have options all over the place to watch Pames. Yeah, I get you. You are paying a premium for that, and it is, the sport is in some ways more accessible because there's more of it.

Yeah. And in some cases, it's clear where to get it, but it also comes at a price. To be also honest, and I know now I'm going to sound like Zaz here, but like, I'm already subscribed to a prime, I already have Prime. That's what I'm saying. That's how I saw War the Worlds. That's how I saw War of the Worlds, and that's how I got socks, right? Like, I'm already on Prime, right?

And then what else is there? ESPN. ESPN? We all already have that. NBC Peacock. We love it. I have it. We got Hulu.

Yeah, I've been had Peacock because of how do I watch the avatar show, right? The damn Lovart show. Right? And then what else is there? That's it? Prime Peacock and ABC? And so it's like, oh, the people are like, oh, and if you're in, I've got to get Paramount Plus. I already have it, man.

Sounds like people just want to complain? Maybe that's it. Yes. But it is like, it adds up, though. I had to get to zone for a month, but then they charged me for a full year. year, I don't, and most of the stuff is, I still have to pay additionally for it because the FIFA Club World Cup was on there. When does UFC switch to Paramount Plus?

26. 26. Very close. I can't wait. We're right. Can't wait to put on Lioness and not figure out who. Exactly right. Amanda Nunes, where is she?

She's back against Kayla Harrison. Oh, my God, biggest fight in the women's division. All right. So really quick, can you substantiate something that I saw online that people were kind of crashing out about? Are there really West Coast games starting at 11 p.m. I saw that too. I choose not to believe it.

Me too. I agreed. So Tuesday nights, the NBC game is going to be the late game. It's going to be, the early game is 8 p.m. The late game is 11 p.m. What? And this is, so this is funny. Tuesdays only you're saying.

Only Tuesdays. Okay. So is that really 1115? It depends. It depends. Come on, man. Now, when an 8 p.m. start time for the early game, it shouldn't impact the start on the late game. What happened was back in the day.

On TNT, TNT Thursdays, this was notorious. You had the East Coast game, and then the West Coast game could not start if the East Coast game was still going in regulation, right? So if you had, it was, hey, it's a one-point game. Isn't it still like that today? No, it changed. It changed after a while. But basically it was, oh, if it's close, but, like, not in overtime,

then we're going to stay here. And we can hold the start time on the next game for a... He'll be like to 10.52, you know, those games would end up starting it. Yep. And that was especially terrible, like, for us in Phoenix, because during the winter, we're mountain time. So our games, our sun's games, we'd be waiting. That's so tough for you, man.

You had to wait 40 minutes instead of, like, four hours, like on the East Coast, West Coast games. I mean, first of all, I was working those games. Second of all, that means I get home at, like, 2 a.m. As opposed to get home, like, one or whatever. So it's a problem. Now, I think they're trying to alleviate that problem by giving that three-hour block for game one

so that no matter how many overtimes it goes to, it'll never get to the point where we're halting the start of the other game. But 11 p.m. Now, here's the thing. The NBA a couple years ago made this whole push of we're not going to get these crazy late starts anymore. So you saw like Miami Heat game start at 7 p.m.

And I was like, what? Well, it's because they want to start. at the West Coast game early. They don't want to wait until 10.30, so they're trying to get a 10 o'clock start. And so we have all this stuff going on to, in order to keep the East Coast people here, the fact that NBC is the only one

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You know how Dan obsesses over media coverage? Does he? And always in stand-up comedy. I kind of feel like that's beginning to happen with streamers and me, and I don't like it. I want to nip it. But I do have a point of contention for something that Zaz said. You were, you guys were very casual, like, we know what we need.

We have most of what we need. No, I don't know what I need. They announced something that presently, if I want to watch PLEs, Xfinity and YouTube TV are not allowed to get the PLEs just yet, the WWI premium live events. Okay, but that deal has not been worked out yet. We know what they aspire to. But no, I do have those services.

And presently, I'm twisting in the wind because I can't watch what I want to watch. Mike, let me. ask you something. I'm going to start naming streamers. You stop me when you say, I don't have that one. No, I have all of them and I have the cable packages. So then what do you need? No, he wants to know if he's going to have to be paying for WWE because his current provider

does not, it hasn't been disclosed yet if that is going to be included. Like, for instance, I have DirecTV stream and mine is going to be included for this WWE pay-per-views, okay? I'm not included yet. Hate that delay. But here's the thing, Mike. It's not taking place for other five

months. Like, I get it. that two weeks ago the deal was announced and be really nice if the deal had a little bit more clarity. I'm with you, but it's five months away. There were reports that a newly created PLE will air on ESPN before that just this morning. Now, that's all rumor and innuendo when it comes to wrestling, but there's just something new every day that confuses me about this. I think maybe four years from now is when we get Super League to answer your initial question. Oh, thanks. I tried to transition in the middle of that, by the way.

I don't know if anyone caught it. No, we went on a tangent. But I think it's inevitable just because that's where the money is. And yeah, the Big Ten and SEC have the influence right now. It's kind of deserved. But this is the second biggest sport in America. And it just goes against all the free market capitalism ideals of this country, that it's not going to be maximizing get to a point where I think ultimately the college football playoff will be an employer for a tier that is set for those 40 to 50 programs that are.

of that level. I don't know what this means for the Northern Illinois of the world. It probably means a very different looking sport for them but that's just where this stuff is headed eventually, I think.

We need some sort of imaging for when we talk streaming. I agree. Yeah. What should it sound like? A river, there we go. That makes me want to pee. That's a very weak stream.

It is a weak stream. You got to check that prostate. Wow, you guys are very judgy with the streams. A couple of fingers up here. let it know everything's your uncle I don't like it keep searching you guys were right about

not reading too much into the practices and whatnot because the preseason game rolled around for the Miami Dolphins and it looked very very different dogs are fixed Tom McDaniel got a signature win over the lions Dolbets have no losses this preseason undefeated undefeated with a tie

nah that's now we're talking it's that a camel No, that's, that's me at Las Roses last night. That's a road trip piss. How'd you like the updated bathrooms? Wow, man. You know what's funny? I joked with Michael, I'm going to do my own little bar rescue recon.

And whenever Bar Rescue renovates bars, they're like, oh, we got you seven POS systems. Oh, we got the orange door system. All these upgrades, they never go into the bathrooms. And I've been reading, like, Yelp reviews of the renovated bars. They're like, the bathrooms are still as gross. ever, right? These beautiful, it looks beautiful, all these LED lights and stuff, gross bathrooms. Mike and his boys, you know what they did? They said, let's take care of the facilities. Let's make sure that people come in here and it's nice and clean and well-lit

and I appreciate multiple urinals. I hate me a bar with one urinal. Just one in there? And it's next to the sink often. You weren't planning for a lot of people if you have one urinal in here. Exactly. You got to set the expectations a little higher. Zagak. I have some urinals, man. And splash guards. With dividers, too.

The splash guards. Splash guards. What are the privacy screens? What do you call them? Yeah, divider. Divider, I know exactly what you're saying. Splash guards, no. Splashers a thing inside the urinal that so it doesn't shoot back.

I thought it's also so it doesn't shoot to the side. But that's all off an operator error, too. Maybe. You got to go sidewall. Yeah, yeah. There are ways. You got to have a little touch on that pass. Yeah.

You know? Well, I mean, sometimes there are obstructions that lead to unexpected obstructions that lead to a diverted stream. I never have that? I had that happened to me recently where somebody like got a little on the ground. It hit the ground. It was like a visual, like they were peeing and it like hit the ground and like I saw it hit the ground. And it was so bad that they were like, sorry. Usually it's just like an unspoken thing.

Like, all right, we both saw. We don't have to comment. My bad. It's on my shoelace now. Yeah, you threw it away, right? It sounds like it It doesn't sound like a yes I mean I'm at an establishment

When are we going to walk out one shoe Put in the washer Honestly The washer? No that's not the washer No not the whole shoe No part of the lace is going into the washer Put on some gloves and take it off

There you go you gotta scrub that thing Yeah the little tub Squeeze some soap Scrub it out The Dolphins won The Dolphins won and Quinn Ewers Looked not as bad I didn't watch this game

the way that I watched the Bears game and there was mixed feedback on Quinn Ewer's performance from the last game. This one, everyone seems to be pretty positive about it. Yeah, he was good. And I don't see the reason in having Zach Wilson on this team. I really don't. Like, we know what Zach Wilson is.

It's been the league long enough. He sucks, man. Get off my team. Has he been in the league long enough? I think that's debatable. I'm not with you. I'm not saying... This is his fifth year, I think?

He didn't play it all last year. Is his 13? There's a reason. Yeah. I'm just saying, you know, he's got a big arm. He also failed twice at the Jets before they got rid of him. You know what? That's another thing you're saying.

He's got a big arm. Dolvis had a clear touchdown. I forget which receiver was. Who the hell can keep track of the names? Guys are not going to make a team. But dude had four yards on the defender. He underthrew it so bad. And it ended up being an incomplete pass.

I thought that's supposed to be a strength that he's got a big arm. He sucks, man. I'd much rather. I said it last week. After Quinn Ewers was 5 or 18, I told you I'd much rather have Quinn Ewers on this team. Let him develop as a backup than have this Zach Wilson. I'm done with seeing him, man. Sucks.

Dilley? Rebuttal? I don't have a rebuttal to that. He's not wrong. He knows I'm right. Yeah, no, he's absolutely right. I mean, Quinn Ewers is already QB2, I think, in everybody's mind. He cannot possibly be behind Zach Wilson on the death charge.

I believe he is. He can't, he's not going to head into this season as the number three quarterback with the way that two of them have performed. Pay him, Zach Wilson's $6 million this year. Sucks, man. How does that happen? That's like the rate for backup quarterback. No, no, I'm just saying Zach Wilson in general.

Like, you were... It's weird, right? Like, you were... Look, I get it. Maybe you weren't going to be the second best player in your draft class. Nobody happens all the time what you're saying. But, yeah, it's always funny to me. It's like, it's never they missed like, oh,

I thought he's going to be great, he ended up being okay. It's always... I thought he'd be great. They can't play. Dog shit. Like, how is that the gap every single time? By the way, Zach Wilson is the least of the dolphins problems at the moment. Right, of course.

They have so many other problems. Like, Zach Wilson's not make or break for the dolphin season. I mean, biggest problem right now is Devon H. Chang going to be ready, week number one? I feel like that's probably... They said it wasn't severe. Soft tissue, but not severe. I don't know. I mean, he was pretty coy about it that, Mike McDaniel.

It's going to be days to weeks. Well, exactly. It's going to be days to weeks. What does that mean? Like anything more than seven, it turns into weeks, right? Days to weeks. If it's eight days. you're already in weeks, right?

Because it's this week and then a little bit of next week. We're already headed to week one install. Don't want to tip your cards. So that's all that is. I like the idea that this matters. I like that they take a break from the preseason. Like, all right, everyone gets one last vacation in. This team, it's more time for trouble, honestly.

Like, you think that off week is going to be spent productively because I have no faith in this team? I think Tyree Kill is just going to stay home and chill. To it. It seems like they just met each other. a week ago. It's crazy. We're going to know each other still. It's been five years. What are we doing? Right. Tyree Kill told us he finally is starting to understand the offense.

Okay. It's even fourth year. Is that just him trying to say things that he thinks fans will like? He's missing on that mark, I would say. I would say on the majority of things that he's saying, the fans aren't buying it. Like, I'm done with this team. I don't want to be here anymore. Whatever he said last year. That one missed the mark too. I'm just saying, do you think, is it possible? Like when he says, I'm finally starting to understand the offense.

In his mind, to your point, yes, he thinks he's like, I got this fans right where I want. I think he thinks he's being a leader now. Right. Like people are thinking like, oh, cool, guys, this whole time he's been great. And he didn't even understand the offense. Now that he understands it, we're going to be amazing. I think that's what he's trying to project as opposed to actually letting us know. I didn't understand the offense for four years.

Not that anyone cares about this, but like now when you look back and like, I'm not saying this to defend Tua as a Tua as like an elite quarterback. in the league. But now that he's saying this, you look back at like the first two years and like, hmm, maybe Tyreek was actually running the wrong routes the entire time when Tua kept missing. I'm like, wow, Tua does not know what he's doing. Oh, so you're defending Tua a little bit here. Oh, I'm saying, like, now he's saying, I didn't really know the playbook.

It's like, oh, well, maybe we're wrong about that situation. And we just gave Tariq Hill the benefit of the doubt because he was the fast guy and he was from the Chiefs and Tua was the guy that the year before got benched and had the whole thing with Brian Flores, but then his two needs to step it up. Let's be real. Levitard. All right, we got to go back out there. That was big.

Wake him up. Uh-oh. He doesn't want to be bothered anymore. Now it's getting tense because he didn't need that as a result. He needs something that happens. You can see it. Mother Ethel is. Can we bother?

Are we bothering you right now? Turn on your microphone, Greg. My microphone's on. Stugats. Paint the scene. The paint the scene is I got to go to work. Good night. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats.

I'm really excited because Jackson Dart looks like the real deal. Oh, your Giants, huh? You know, that's your team? That's my team, man. You know, I said being a Giants fan is the most rewarding thing in my life because I know once a decade we're going to win a Super Bowl. Every year, every decade of my life, they've won a Super Bowl. So I'm like, you can be trash the rest of the time. Just give me one within a decade and we're good.

You know, it's funny because I hear you say that, and then I think to myself, okay, would I rather that, where we're likely going to be shitty for almost every year? But once a decade, we are going to win a Super Bowl, or would you rather, you know, maybe you're able to contend every single year? Maybe you can win multiple Super Bowl's. And then I stopped myself and I'm like, your team, meaning me, has been shitty every single year for decades now. Wouldn't it have been nice to mix in a couple of Super Bowl wins? They've given you neither. I like that. No, it's funny because I have the perfect, I'm a Yankees fan,

and it's like, obviously I had that moment in the 90s and early 2000. That was amazing. But it's like, you feel kind of that emptiness now. Like, wow, that was a long time ago. Versus the Giants, I have like, once a decade, I get to pipe up and speak, talk my shit, and like, aha, and then I'll go back into hiding. And I don't have to worry about anything. And when people try to stress me about, like, oh, your Giants suck, I'm like, they'll be fine.

And it's, even though the NFC East is probably the, The division in the NFL with the most prestige. It's been random. Teams go from bottom to the top. I think you're right. It makes sense because we're talking northeast. Well, it's probably the... Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, and Washington.

So that's... I think famously for a several-year string, they had a different division winner. Oh, it's been longer than that. Yeah, and it's kind of similar to the AFC South and the NFC South in terms of parity. But we don't think of it that way because you have really prestigious teams. teams in there. But the Dolphins, if you want to just do like the jealousy of the fandom thing, the Giants have existed in this division that has a fair amount of parity. The dolphins, once I

finally get Tom Brady out of the equation, Josh Allen strolls in. Right, the team who went 17 years with no playoffs now runs your division. So you never get the, well, at least we have, we're that random division winner, at least we get the benefits of a home playoff game where we can snipe one of these teams that are better. The best you guys have ever felt about your team in the last 20 years, you had to stroll into Arrowhead Stadium and it was negative 20 degrees out. It's a little unfair. It feels cruel on some level. The other thing about being a Giants fan is finding out that Daniel Jones is still in the NFL.

That shocked me. I was like, what? Might start week one. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, he's alive and like competing for a job. How is this possible? And then I talked about Anthony Richardson, I said, is he about to have the same sort of situation as Zach Wilson? Where it's like, you went from, oh, this guy's going to be amazing to not just not great, but not good.

Well, the difference being Zach Wilson had a resume in school. Like everyone thought Zach Wilson was going to be a good quarterback in the NFL. Anthony Richardson had like a dozen starts in college, the entire collegiate career. You know, call me crazy. I knew Zach Wilson was going to work out You know when I knew The Heisman trophies Like finalists

When they got him up on the stage And he like looked at the guy left him And he does this cartoonish goal That's when I knew That dude will never ever be good Because you can't be in like It's an award show First of all why would you be intimidated by that

How insecure are you? Who was the guy next to him? It was whoever the finalist Word for Heisman that year someone could look it up but it's I swear to the guy video can find it it is the funniest thing ever because like and the final is for Heisman and they all like step up onto the stage and it's like he's a little shorter than other guys and he looks to the left

and looks at the right and his eyes get wide and is that the draft or the Heisman was it all the draft first round guy step up and then he's there like visibly small in everybody looks around like yeah I remember him being memeable from the draft I don't even recall him being in New York for the Heisman finalist. It may be. Maybe I stand corrected. Maybe it was, but either way, it was before he played

an NFL second. It was good scouting on your part, though. Because you saw and you're like, there's fear in those eyes. Fear, and then the gulp, and then so you could see in his mind, like, come on, Zach, pep up, you're just as good as these guys. And he stands up, he tries to puff off his chest. I'm like, get the hell out of here, man.

You're supposed to be a leader in a locker room? You're supposed to tell me what to do? You're like, oh, I don't know. These guys look kind of big, mom. So he has a big arm, but he's undersized turnover prone. He has a big arm, but he takes sacks and oftentimes the ball ends up in the other team's hand. So what does Zach Wilson actually bring to the table to earn $6 million and another opportunity? A hot mom. Is it the fact that he has starting experience and teams value that? I'm sure the dolphins can get out from this contract because he's not a starter. I don't know what level

of guarantees are there, but I understand why. With a quarterback like Tua, who you, you will perpetually have injury concerns with. He's a hit away from his career. I guess anybody is a hit away from their career ending, but it feels like it's a... He's really close. Yeah, too, it feels like an innocuous hit may end his career. I don't want to shout too loud around him.

Yeah. So are you comfortable with going with Quinn Ewers as your backup quarterback when Quinn Ewers also is undersized... As opposed to Wilson? Man, but the... I'm trying to figure out what he brings to the table. If it's experienced, I'm pretty sure an experienced quarterback is going to get cut around the league that you can bring in.

Where's Tannahill? Nowhere. Still waiting to get that starting job on a playoff team. You remember last year? I said, man, Tanahill should go into the Dolphins because the dude is definitely going to get hurt. They're not going to bring him in here. We talked about this last week. The Dolphins are not going to bring in anyone to be a number two quarterback that's a threat to Tua starting.

Like, they are not going to do that. That's why they've had bad backups. But Quinn, you were, like, this was supposed to be them going and like doing a thing. Like, oh, Zach Wilson, now we're going to take this seriously. They don't want a quarterback controversy. I love that Billy has them being like, we need a bad quarterback. I would imagine they're trying to find the best of the back. No, not someone that's too good.

They don't, they, you think that they're going to. I think Billy's right. Billy's on to something. I think Billy's right. They're not going to be a terrible way to do that. Well, that's why we see the results that we've gotten because of the approach that they've been taking. But it seems obvious. Let me ask something.

Chris, let me ask something. Forget about the money. If there was a way to acquire him to be your backup. Do you think it'd be a good idea for the Dolphins to acquire Kirk Cousins? Oh, yes. I'm with you. And I would say no because of exactly what Billy's talking about. And I wouldn't worry about two his feelings. I would just be like, if I'm Chris Greer, like, I want the second best quarterback that I can possibly find in the amount of money I have to spend on a backup.

They could have signed James Winston if they wanted to for a two-year deal worth the same as Zach Wilson's one-year deal. And they didn't do it. Eat some dubs. Great, man. Well, and you know why they don't do that, though? because of exactly what Billy's talking about, the entire locker room. No, or what team is on.

Loves James Winston. Might it be the media more they're worried about? No. We would be talking about Tanna Hill. It plays a part. Like, I think the locker room would be like, who's the guy. Any team that does, I'm sure it happens,

but it's really rare, does stuff because they're worried about what the media are going to say. Like, unless it's an off-the-field issue, that doesn't exist. But that's where that narrative would be bigger. But what Billy's saying is absolutely right. where it's like you want a guy who's good but not too good because we don't want to kind of upset the golden goose and push back.

It also shows kind of like I don't know how much they actually believe in Tua if that's the approach, right? Because if they actually believe into it, we're like, well, we're never going to have to get to this. So it doesn't matter. We'll have someone, but it doesn't matter. But with Tua, like, you know an injury is definitely a possibility at some point in the season. And if your backup is better than Tua, then what do you do when you just gave them? them $50 million a year. I think that's the part. It's like you should be

from a responsible front office, you should be getting a quarterback that can be very good to very good if your guy's going to go down knowing that Tua is one shout away from falling. Well, back to the original point, James may be available because Jackson Dard did look at it. He's going to end up in New Orleans

again, right? James. New Orleans is a mess. They need a real quarterback. Spencer Rattling. You don't like Tyler Shuck? No, they're going to go with Tyler Shock. Probably. They're not going to go with Tyler Shuck. They've got a tough start. to the season, by the way. First six games, tough. Shuck and jive.

Mike White, on the bills. You've been watching Hard Knocks. I have been watching Hard Knocks. I have been watching Hard Knocks. I was like, wow, man. And everyone's giving him great compliments. And I'm like, well, if he's that good, then why the Dolphins like over him?

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