The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Warrior Judge

Episode Date: March 5, 2024

After we discuss Nikola Jokic breaking the NBA, Stugotz delivers his Top 5 NBA Duos Facing with Most Pressure in the Playoffs. Then, Dan apologizes for discussing microfiche, Mike pays tribute to Chris Mortensen, and Greg Cote tells us about Warrior Judge Ed Newman. Plus, was Greg actually right about the way he described Newman's job? And Mike and Jeremy respond to Bill Simmons' accusation that the Heat are somehow a "lucky" franchise. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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For details, visit your local Ford store or Ford.ca. Stu Gotz has informed me that he has worked very hard in the lab to produce a top five list of top five NBA duos, just NBA duos, correct? Not just duos in general. Top five NBA duos with the most pressure on them. You may have noticed that the Milwaukee Bucks are playing better.

They have figured some things out. It came back from what? Down 15 against the Clippers. Yeah. Thanks to your endorsement. I put a future on. And I think that's six on the trot now for the Bucks. They figured things out to a degree. Six and I was since the break. Yes. No. So Stu Godz has top five NBA duos with the most pressure on them. That's much different than Colin Cowherd's top 10 list of

Just the best NBA duos. He might have had that first. Colin Cowherd had first his top 10 list Double the size of Stugatz's but it doesn't have what Stugatz's list has which is the most pressure on these duo is this active or all time. This is active. We are headed into playoff time or getting closer. And these are the top five NBA doos that have the most pressure to go out and win a championship. I don't know if you guys saw this the other day. I thought I was watching a replay. Do you guys remember that shot last year that Yokech took where Anthony Davis

was coming out to him and he was rolling to his left and he just threw it over his head and it went in. He did it again against Anthony Davis the last time they played against the Lakers. Where he's taking these, I don't know if people are going to know this reference, but Jamal Wilkes had a jump shot where he just went from one ear to the other behind his head to take a jump shot.

And Yokic did that again to Anthony Davis at the three point line, moving to his left, making a three late in the game. It's asinine, it's an asinine shot. It is not a good shot to be taking under. That's something we've never seen. Did it go in? Yes.

A big man being able to do that. No, that's stupid. He's like the greatest player I've ever seen and he's not even the most freakish center in the league because of one bignac. I've been been, no, that's stupid. He's like the greatest player I've ever seen and he's not even the most freakish center of the league because of one but now. I've been trying to outlaw the wrong guy. Really, it's Joker. It's not fair.

You can tell me with a straight face that that's the greatest basketball player of all time, of all time, and I'm not gonna push back on it. I'm not gonna do the MJ or LeBron thing. I think you have a valid argument when you see what he's done recently You know how old is he? Yolkich? Yes, he's got to be 38. I don't uh, he's in his late 20s. He's 29 years old. What?

That's Yannis' age. And he doesn't beat age. And I know the athleticism is a big part of his game. He's a professional athlete, but it does seem like he's going to age with Grace. Of course. I mean, how much athleticism do you think he's going to lose? Right. I mean, he doesn't. He is really athletic, especially for his size, but I'm with you. Like, he already has an old man's game.

Is he moving quicker at 29 than he was like appreciably quicker than he would be at 35? I don't know. I believe that he is less of an injury risk than anyone who's ever played his side. I mean, his arms are perpetually bleeding. Because he's unathletic. That's true. I believe his lack of athleticism,

he's not gonna spray an ankle because they're always planted firmly on the floor. Sliding the ball underneath him. It's gonna play forever. A flat footed jump shot. Any OLIs, two gods, are we going right to it? I just got a straight five, Dan O. Alright, number five.

LeBron and Anthony Davis. I know they won one, they won it in a bubble. Do me a favor, LeBron didn't go there or win one championship in a bubble. He didn't recruit Anthony Davis to come there to win one championship in a bubble win one outside the bubble plus you're chasing father time I mean they already want to title this here yeah and uh while the season you're right IST some people objected to what I was saying yesterday and I'm wondering with a different group here today whether you guys object to LeBron James saying that everyone was

rooting for him to fail since he came in the league and Expecting him to fail. I thought that was him misremembering things But many people and I believe their memory goes to 2010 it doesn't go back to the beginning I don't remember people rooting against LeBron or thinking that he was going to not meet any expectations rooting for him to fail before he got to Miami. That's not something I have recall of. The one group that really didn't like him before Miami were Kobe fans

because people were anointing LeBron as the next M.J. and they felt like it was skipping over Kobe when LeBron like very obviously from the moment he walked in the league was gonna be up there as one of the best players at 18 years old that group genuinely hated LeBron during that first stretch of his career it was once Kobe got toward the end of his career and LeBron was now at the heat that it was a new group that there's been no announcement but the guard has changed like it's over for the old guys like I feel like it's done and we still talk

about it as if it's not because you're gonna need them to lose in the playoffs but I feel like the guard in the league has changed that the young people have taken over that it's not a mirage that okc is the one seed in the west but do you really trust the likes of Minnesota and OKC? No one does. Because all these lower seeds that have done it before are looming, and they're starting to play better. The Lakers are playing basketball right now.

I trust the field is what I trust. I don't trust these old guys to be able to rejuvenate themselves and take on all you through the playoffs without it showing. Number four. Anthony Edwards and Carl Anthony Town. No one believes in you. No one thinks you're gonna make it to the NBA finals. Anthony Edwards, show up on time.

You wanna be next, you wanna be the guy, then go out and win an NBA title. Isn't there more pressure on Gobert than either one of those two? No, Gobert's got no pressure. Well, as a playoffs performer. How would Karrs one of those two? No, Go-Bear's got no pressure. Well, as a playoff performer. Who cares if Go-Bear wins? No, get out of here.

No, but that's like his whole thing. He gets played off the floor every postseason, and you have him as again a favorite as defensive player of the year. They're one of the best teams in the Western Conference. They need to stop a center in Yokic, and yet you could argue it's like an Edwards Go-Bear duo there more than Town even my list number three Jimmy Butler and bam What's the only thing not on Jimmy Butler's resume, he's made it to the NBA finals

He's made it there twice go win an NBA title. It will change Jimmy Butler forever It will put him in a stratosphere that we thought Jimmy Butler would never get to. To be the number one guy on a championship team, are you kidding me? Go do it. I'd argue he's already won in every single way. Well, he hasn't. That Jimmy Butler is now of reputation, of marketing, of in every way that he's already won and he doesn't have to win anymore. He's also one of the coolest athletes that I could think of. Number two, Giannis and Damien Lillard.

A lot of guys have won one, Giannis. You gotta win a second one. And Damien, you won it out of Portland and you got Milwaukee. You won in Miami, but you got Milwaukee and you haven't stopped complaining since. You're playing with one of the greatest players we've ever seen in Giannis.

You have Doc Rivers as your head coach, you're six of those since the break. Go to the playoffs with a title. He hasn't been complaining. Right, he has. He has not. OK, good, good talk. Number one, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Generational team, they're exceptional.

Do me a favor, both of you. I'm tired of both of you. Go win an NBA title because you clearly have the best team in the NBA. And in that sport, best team usually wins NBA title. Go do it. Did you forget about the Clippers? No, Kauai has no pressure on him. He would have to make the duo James Harden and Paul Jordan.

It's them. Yeah, but we jump down the set. No one cares about Harden. We jerk down his throat for a go-bear. Yeah. Harden is smart. Okay. I'm but we don't down his throat. No one cares about Hardin. We don't down his throat for a go-bear. Hardin's Martin. Okay. I'm glad we talked about him.

That's a boss list. That's a boss list. Depp and Booker and KD. I like that list. I mean, yeah. Have you guys often seen a coach like Steve Kerr leave a $300 million player unguarded? Have you guys seen a lot of that as a defensive striker? It's paid $35 million over two years to do that? I know but they lost by 50 but go

ahead Jalen Brown take all of the shots that you want. You like that list though honk Kody? I do. This is the new aluminum proof Dan Lebertas show with the Stugats. Gamble on by DraftKins. Stugats here did you know that according to FBI property crime data, most home breakings happen in broad daylight? As the days get longer this spring, protect your home with Simply Safe. It's the award-winning home security I use and recommend. I've had it in my home for many, many years now. The peace of mind it gives me when I'm not home is the best thing about it.

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offer throughout the show. Drabkings, the crown is yours. I have decided here late in my career, Greg Cody, because you've got to keep up with the kids, with the TikTokers. You were complaining during the break after Stugatz's top five list. You were saying that Jimmy Butler, hey, you're 33. TikTok, TikTok.

I have decided late in my career, TikTok, TikTok, that the way that I'm going to compete with the tick-tockers is just to be more wrong than I've ever been about things, more... Oh, so Cowherd's doing this. Cowherd is doing some of this, but I'm going to do more of it, and I'm going to expand it outside of sports. But college's trying to be right, I mean. So am I. He's just trying to get impressions impressions and has been for 15 years.

I'm just getting it wrong consistently because, and go ahead and play some imaging for us here. Yesterday, for example, and I'm sure we can do this every day. In fact, we should have like an ombudsman do this to me every day. Yesterday I was talking about Al Davis and him going after Mortensen and I used the phrase micro-fiche and it's not micro-fiche. Baby! What is it?

Micro-fiche is something that I used when I was in college. I looked up old newspaper clippings and it was before Nexus. It was before the internet. It was before everything. It was before everything. It was before everything, yes. It might as well have been stone tablets, but it wasn't what Al Davis was using, which is a film projector.

Yeah, it was an overhead projector, which I hadn't seen for 10 years. That's right. And I literally haven't seen since. That's correct. And I saw it in college. It's how professors taught in college. But when I said microfiche, that's a totally different thing. That's something I used in the library.

You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. Every day we need somebody to seize on the thing that I've gotten wrong because I know it's happening every single day. If I may, I don't know how many other opportunities I'll get. And I miss yesterday's show where you guys paid homage to Chris Morton's. And I just wanted to say, rest in peace, that guy battled for so long, went through absolute hell to just secure more precious time. And Mort has been with us, was with us since day one. I know you hit all those notes. My relationship with Mort developed over time to the point that we got to be friends. And he was an A1 listener of our show and one of my favorite experiences would be whenever we got in trouble

at ESPN. I wasn't having a great time with that but I knew we were doing something right whenever Mort would hit me up privately with either a phone call or a text. I'm just loving that we got in trouble and he wouldn't really rub anybody as quite the rebel but when it came to our show he absolutely reveled in that stuff so I really miss Chris Mortensen. I was really bummed to hear what had happened. I love that man and he was so great to us. Gave us some credibility in talking sports when we desperately needed some early on. I love Chris Mortensen. Rest in peace. I have such respect for the old newspaper guys, the cornheisers, the Mortensen's, John

Clayton, even somebody like Woody Page, who goes from just old time print journalism and expands the horizon for everybody who followed. Now, if you're do what I do for a living, you can't just survive on print journalism anymore You have to do the podcast thing and be on the air and and and that's rooted in the vanguard of those guys Which included Mortensen are you the longest? Employee the Miami Herald has at present. Are you is there anyone on the Miami Herald's payroll? Who has been at the newspaper paid as long as you have been. No, I don't believe there is. I don't believe there is.

You might have the record. Aren't you hired at 16? Yeah, I think Edwin Pope still has the longevity record in terms of overall years, but I might be catching them up. Compiler? Catching up to them. I am a compiler. If I...

But yeah, because I think 16 or 17 was my first byline, so that's like mad crazy. You're a legend. You are. I mean, back before audio pulled the veil down on everybody, because I used to hold Dan in high regard too, but like I would seek out your sports opinions. Well, thank you. But I am a compiler, I admit that. You know, I'm not a big award winner. Thank God I've made at least a couple of APSE top 10s or else I really would be a loser. But as Levitar was kind enough to point out, I finally started making APSE top 10s when the number of columnists was dwindling fast. And now I think there are only 11.

So make me think that's not that great. You have iconic articles everyone makes fun of you about the Merino one but who could forget David Boston go get him or Tony Martin or Junior Seau go get him. David Boston! I agree with him on Boston. Yeah I tell you what you know yeah I go get everybody that's the problem you know it's not my money I want to spend man. Now that we're on the topic of what a legend Greg is we briefly talked about the Greg Cody show with Greg Cody earlier but there was another issue that happened on this week's episode that I want to do right by Greg and I want to offer an apology of sorts and a peace offering here and an opportunity for

Greg because it turns out that Greg did an interview sometime back that he wanted to air on the Greg Cody show with Greg Cody and his ingrate son refuses to air it. We have to have a standard. So what I'd like to do is I would like to offer Greg the platform of stupidity to air said interview that doesn't seem as though it's going to see the light

of day on the Greg Cody show with Greg Cody. I'll take it. You don't even know who it is. I don't care. Stand there. Yeah, you know, I'm still working hard to, see this is all new to me. To me it's called the Greg Cody show with Greg Cody.

Greg Cody should have the power on what goes on his air, but Mr. EP over here. He tricked me. I didn't trick you. Well, tell Dan what the interview was first. Okay, but Mr. E.P. over here. He tricked me. I didn't trick you. Well, tell Dan what the interview was first. Okay, I interviewed. Or the audience. Okay. There's a, there's a-

I don't need to know. Okay, he's an offensive guard, so I use the word famous sparingly, but Ed Newman was a really good guard to the Miami Dolphins for a long time. Ed Newman! Soul! For a long time, okay?

Wait a minute, wait a minute, Jeremy, please, look up for me when Ed Newman played. Is it the 70s? Give me, was it 80s or 70s? Did he play into the 1980s? Yes, his last season was Dan Marino's rookie year. And the big pitch was this former dolphin legend is now a judge. Fascinating. But I'm telling you, even he came on and was like, it's not that exciting.

I do a lot of DUIs. He was a county court judge. He's just like, it couldn't be less interesting. But who was his bailiff? Nat Moore. Wow. What? His former teammate was a bailiff of his.

Ed just wrote a book called Warrior Judge. I'd like everybody to consider buying it. And so I interviewed him and and I am bound and determined to for that to air in some form on my podcast. If it doesn't Billy your stupidity offer is welcome and appreciated. Okay well we have till the end of the day until you know we have to do this. Well you're on record. You're on record is saying that you want Ed Newman. I remember one day here. Ed Newman book.com. I remember one day around here, we did an interview with Vernon Davis

that wasn't good enough to air and Stugatz yelled, I want it, and Billy said over my dead body, and then I heard it on Stupodity. Can you give me the weight and height of former Dolphin's legend, offensive lineman, Ed Newman, his playing weight and height. Six-two, two-forty-five. Offensive lineman.

And every man. Is Derek Henry bigger? I think he is, yes. My dad said to me, he's like, I'm gonna talk to him for a column. So I'm gonna record the conversation. If you like it, we can air it. If not, it'll just be a column.

So I'm like, perfect. And then my dad, of course, in the interview is telling him oh we're airing this we're at for sure ed Derek Hedery is bigger six three two forty seven I don't think that's not more with Ed Newman I don't think that's the bailiff I don't I think we have a ronious photo up there I'm pretty sure that's not what Nat Moore looks like that's Tony Nathan I believe the running back oh wow Another bailiff? I could be wrong.

Ooh. Wait a minute, there are two former dolphins who are... How could this not be great? So did you. It's a good-looking judge right there, your honor. I'm bounded in now more than ever. Get near the microphone, broadcaster. That's what it looks like Tony.

Ned Newman will be on my podcast. Or mine. That's right. Don Lebatard. Did you ever have a crush on a cartoon. Or mine. That's right. Don Lebatard. Did you ever have a crush on a cartoon character? Oh, can I go? This isn't my question, but I did. Jessica Rabbit.

Who frame Roger Rabbit? Yes, yes. She was married to Roger Rabbit, even though he was a bunny and she was a humanoid, but they were both cartoons. Stugats. I had a crush on Betty Rubble. Oh, wow.

What? What? That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Whoa, with a surprise nomination from Stugats! Showing you his dirty, dirty, inner nine-year-old. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. Greg, you're the author of Thins at 50, you're a Dolphins historian. You have run off or tried to run off Andy Cohen and Harvey Green as Dolphin historians. Right. And you just confused Tony Nathan and Nat Moore because it's not that they have two bailiffs in Ed Newman's court who are former Miami Dolphins. It's that you got your information wrong. The longest standing journalist in the Miami Herald's history cares not a wit about accuracy.

Sure he does. And you just confused Natmore and Tony Nathan. I don't believe I did. No, you did. You think there are two bailiffs? You think Natmore and Tony Nathan. Former Dolphin skill position players. You believe two of them are bailiffs in Ed Newman's? Well, years ago, keep in mind, we're of them are bailiffs and Ed Newman the years ago Keep in mind. We're talking about a bailiff situation probably from that. Are you gonna be stubborn about this? Well, I want to look up whether or not I was wrong. I'm guessing you're probably wrong still got I mean there's an article

I'm sure God said he's probably wrong There's an article talking about Ed Newman and Tony Nathan teaming up at the courtroom So I can't imagine that more is also a part of that. He's like a dog with a bone with this. Almost impossible. Yeah, but you don't know. I mean... Just give it a chance.

Why don't we hear it on this show? Maybe he was, right. How long it was? It's long. It's like 15 minutes. No, you don't want to hear it. No, I do. I believe...

I shouldn't be saying this on the air. We're not on the air. Okay. I believe, I shouldn't be saying this on the air. We're not on the air. Okay, I believe Ed Newman told me that Moore was his bailout. Oh really, you're blaming it on his? No. Dupodity! You are blaming it on him. I'm an Asiati.

I have to do the research. I have to listen to the three- And I thought Doc Rivers wasn't accountable. I gotta check the tape. You are amazing and thank you and Chris I it must be an exasperation to be married to him to be a child of his Because he's this stubborn like anything's everything he does is interesting So he's like what do you mean? It's a great interview and I listen to it and it's just

My father for 50 years Every argument in our home. He ended up not losing because at the end, no matter the facts presented to him, he would just wander away mumbling, I don't know about that. That was his closing dismount. That's a good one. Yeah, Edwin Pope used to diffuse arguments

by saying you may be right, where you're not admitting someone else is right, but you're saying you may be right. And not saying you're wrong Right. I appreciate that. I want to in if I'm wrong about you are you are wrong? That more if you're wrong. It's Ed Newman's fault. I know I will apologize just to be clear Yeah, unless Ed told me that on on the right stop leaning back away from the mic. Maybe Ed made the mistake I mean you got to trust Ed. I. He was the one that was there.

His ballot. Yeah, the warrior judge. Why would you distrust judges nowadays? Whoa, damn it. That's true. At the county level they seem fine. It wasn't even like, you know, if it was a judge and he's doing murder trials,

this is like, oh wow, but he was just like, even he got on and was like, it's not very interesting. It's DUIs, a lot of just boring stuff. That's the foundation of our judicial system. That's true. This is a flawed approach, especially if it's a good judge, but I don't really research the judges on the ballot,

so I just always get rid of the incumbent, because I'm like, that's just more time to get corrupt. What should judges be elected in the first place? That's kind of crazy, right? Who follows judging? Like, who knows? You see five names on a ballot of judges. Nobody's heard of any of them.

You end up voting for the name you like. Hey, I got a Myron as my son. I'm going to vote for Myron over here as the judge. Do we assess them on how they bang the hammer? The gavel. I wish we could have the hammer. If I had a hammer. He's right.

Gavel. I said hammer. This is a product of agent Kornheiser does the same thing I've mentioned this before it's just seizing on a word and then just having some sort of word association Tourette's if I had a hammer is the he's he is now Chris's mistake okay how long ago was that song can you look that up for me, please? I had a hammer. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Da da da da da da da. You don't know any other. Ed Gavill's someone I would vote for.

Oh, no doubt. All over this land. Great judge name. I'd sing about justice. 1963. Yeah. Folk song. Peter Paul and Mary? I'm trying to think of who did that.

Written in 1949. Yeah. I want to say Bob Dylan did of who did that. Written in 1949. Yeah. I wanna say Bob Dylan did a version of that. Not that he would play that in concert with us. Not at your show. It's a song people actually heard of and could sing along with. Because I insist on us being younger and smarter,

I'm gonna move this conversation away from Ed Newman, 245 pound lineman. And I'm gonna move it to a place, Stu Gatz. I found on my if you are interested in at Newman's to potty later today thank you Greg okay back to you data or the great Cody show podcast this coming month not happening I'm about to take control of my own goddamn podcast little bidding or not. Little bidding war. What we're about to do. Bidding war. It's ridiculous.

Gavill. I had a hammer. Could you find out who sang that? I wanna say Peter, Paul and Mary, but now I need to know. They had a rendition of it. Okay. Written by Pete Seeger. Pete Seeger.

Oh wow. Bob's dad? No. Okay. Written by Pete Seeger. Pete Seeger. Oh wow. Bob's dad. No. Pete Seeger, the father of folk music, I believe. Yes, he was. On my phone yesterday, simultaneously, this is what I had happening and it was both delightful and unrelentingly annoying, where I have Jeremy Tashay, Mike Ryan, and Mike Scherr, all of them just insane arguing about what Bill Simmons said about the Miami Heat, where he said, heat culture is just lucky. And so I've got that argument going on where I'm thinking to myself, my God, over the 20 years that we've been doing this, there is little that I have experienced that is dumber than fans and people who are, have their allegiances to team, getting infuriated when person says their team was lucky. I understand that there is luck involved

in almost any championship that's won and I don't think that it's a diminishment of merit that one person over there thinks you're lucky because you won a championship but heat fans are starved for the kinds of arguments that they had 2010 through 2014. So if anybody says anything about their team that feels like diminishment, they will grab the disrespect of that. So I have that text string going on on my phone while I also have the text string going on, and this is Mike Ryan involved in both of them of the Miami Heat saying

to me, absolutely not, you will never get Terry Rosear on your show because of what Mike Ryan has said on your show about Terry Rosear. So I've got Mike Ryan annoying me on two fronts because he's on one end arguing on behalf of why it is. Oh no, we won't get Terry Rosear. Oh, what has become of us? We are not gonna make it.

How can the show go on without Terry Rose here? Jezebel, why are you requesting Terry Rose here? It wasn't me, I was learning on this text. Why are we doing that? It wasn't me. We speak in a microphones. You have insulted me, person! We speak in a microphones you have insulted me person

The other Discussion is the one I'm interested in because I'm sure heat fans would like to hear what you and Jeremy have to say in defense of the Miami heat even though I couldn't possibly care less that someone has accused them of being lucky Well built didn't even go with the easy one, which is 2006. You can question that championship. Basically, he argues, as a fan, and he doesn't hide that, is that heat culture is really based on luck, to which I say this very lucky franchise is picked in the top 10 twice. That's impressive in any sport, especially in that one

where it's not really common knowledge, but contending windows are pretty short in that sport. Miami's had two top 10 picks, and those top 10 picks were Michael Beasley and Justice Winslow. After Michael Beasley went, Russell Westbrook went, Kevin Love went, and almost immediately after Justice Winslow went,

Devin Booker went. His whole argument is that bam, Felton number 13. How does Hockey has Fault to number 18? I mean, Devin Booker went. His whole argument is that bam, Felton number 13. How does Hakez fault to number 18? I mean, this is the NBA draft. It's a crap shoot once you get that low. And he was just lamenting that Miami's gotten lucky by these guys falling to them. It was just really weird because they've developed players

and better than anybody in the NBA. To the point where you can trade for a Jimmy Butler with zero cap space because you have developed a Josh Richardson as an asset. Take it away, Jeremy. Well, that part is bizarre in that you're looking at a franchise that's taken all of these undrafted players in second round picks and turned them

into productive role players who get paid elsewhere by other teams or like Duncan Robinson resurged to be an important part of your team. But when you talk about luck, like the lucky thing is the Celtics being able to trade the corpses of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce and get back a haul of first round picks. A haul of first round picks that by the way,

Bill Simmons criticized as a bad trade for the Celtics. And you know what those first round picks turned into? They turned into Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. And you know who wasn't taken ahead of Jason Tatum, who went third in the NBA draft? Markel Foltz and Lonzo Ball. That's how Jason Tatum ends up with the Celtics, because other teams don't take him

number one and number two overall. So when you wanna talk about who's lucky in the way that they construct their roster, in the way that they get back into championship contention, after flailing, after losing their big three, you might want to talk about the Boston Celtics. I do think one of the interesting things here is that I have seen in the evolution, whether you want to call it luck or not, before recently, the heat weren't any good at developing young players.

Pat Riley made a total switch over the last 10 years. If they got somebody in the middle rounds, that person was never going to see the court. I think like in the middle of the first round, I think Tim James was one of the few that they got, one of the highest they got, and he didn't end up playing very much for the Miami Heat. Pat Riley was bad at this for the first half of his career with the Miami Heat. He didn't trust young guys, didn't trust developing them, didn't have the patience for that and was born out of necessity because this team wasn't really great in the trade market. They signed some bad contracts again, something very lucky for Miami I guess.

He said finding a trade partner for Hassan Whiteside was lucky. Dog, you had Kevin McHale give you the championship. What? But I understand why heat fans get upset. I know it agitates you, but you don't want to be called lucky by Bill Simmons. It suggests that your team is not good. It suggests that Riley and Spoe aren't good at developing talent. They're lucky. Okay, but I, okay, Mr. Coss.

I think, I know, Dan, what you're saying is, what they're saying is- How many people think that Pat Riley and Eric's bolster aren't good Like how many people how many people actually that's the point and bill is saying they're lucky They're not good and that agitates heat fans. I understand why this was a segment called hot take like he was kind of doing a thing Yeah, he is doing a thing and believes it because he's an irrational fan, but he was kind of doing it with a smile. I think it speaks to the rivalry, which is one of the better ones, and it's certainly in that sport. For sure.

Any time anyone's Celtics adjacent says something, you get fired up, and Miami lives rent-free in Celtics heads because they've been to the championship seven times since they've existed, one of the crown jewels of the NBA since they were born. We all just got a text from Mike Scher that said Lucky ass team. Like right now. I understand why it happened Stugatz. I understand why it's viewed as disrespectful. Not confused about why it's happening.

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