The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Wemby Stopper

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

"That's a valuable drift." Dan wants to know what Kel'el Ware's ceiling is, Zas wants to know how long it will be before Aleksander Barkov returns to action, and Greg wants YOU to know how much skin weighs. Today's cast: Dan, Greg, Zaslow, Roy, Amin, Chris, and Jeremy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All right, Smyrnoff, official vodka of the NFL, world's number one vodka. Chris Cody, you're with me here. Smeanor! Wow, you're on the money with Smearnoff. Spirnoff. I'm going to ask you, Chris, what's your favorite game day food? Smearnoff. That's your favorite game day drink.

What's your favorite game day food? Smearnoff. All right, here's the deal. Game day is everything. The noise, the rituals, the passion, the dip, the dip, the dips, the dip again. Smearnoff. Smeernav. belongs in that mix because if you're tailgating or hosting or just sitting there checking

your fantasy lineup every 30 seconds, you need... Fair enough! Otherwise, it's not a real game day. They've been doing it since 1864, which is... I don't even want to do the math. It's a long time. It's like when Greg Cody was born. They're award-winning.

They make cocktails super easy, and they're all about bringing fans together. So yeah, we do game days. That's their thing. And if you're over 21, you should do. Why, Chris? It's fair enough. Grab a bottle of At your local retailer and head to

Smarendoff.com to find recipes of delicious cocktails perfect for game day. Smarena off. Please drink responsibly. Smare it off. Number 21 vodka, distilled from grain, 40% alcohol by volume, the... Smare enough company. New York, New York, please do not share with anyone under legal drinking age. Mare enough.

Now is a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Quervo invented tequila. Quervo. What are you doing here? Quervo. Anytime someone says Quervo, I show up. Well, I do know that to be true, but even during and reads, like... Quervo.

I think you could lay out, especially from one of our great partners. Sweet, delicious quervo. Since then, Cuervo is stayed true to its roots. The same family, the same land, the same passion. Quervo. So, enjoy the tequila that started it all. Quervo. Quervo.

The tequila. That invented tequila. Broximo. Quervo.com. Please drink responsibly. Quervo. Mike, you know I have one rule to live by, right? Don't place parleyes on multiple long shots.

Don't say a game is one when it hasn't hit triple zero. Always drink your Yeagermeister ice cold. That's the rule. Everything else is merely a suggestion. Everything else? Everything else. Wearing clean underwear every day. Well, that's just a personal decision.

Brushing your teeth? Obviously smart, but not a rule. Never pee-p on an electric fence. Okay, maybe there are two rules. But the one that is 100% that I insist on completely, Yeagermeister must be drank ice cold. Or don't drink it at all. Damn, that's cold.

Exactly. You're finally starting to get it. Drink responsibly. Yeagermeister liqueur 35% alcohol by volume imported by mass Yeagermeister U.S. White Plains, New York. Shadow show. Shadow show. Shadow show.

Shadow show. Shadow show. Shadow show. Shadow in it. Why did you walk in? here today asking how much skin weighs? It's an interesting fact that I reveal on the Greg Cody Show podcast with Greg Cody. I have a three facts jack that I do every week and one of the, I only do things that surprised me that I didn't know that I think people would be interested in. And it's a matter

of fact that the human skin weighs about 20 pounds. In other words, if you were skinned alive, the physicality of your shed skin would be the equivalent of two bowling balls it's an incredible total I always think of skin

as almost featherweight Greg you mean to tell me if Dan were skinned alive it would be a little more than 20 oh god okay wait a minute I mean nothing is exact you know a thin person

might be 18 Dan might be 26 you think my skin weighs more than your skin isn't it the fat surrounding the skin like the skin would all weigh the same, no? A fat person's skin and a skinny person's skin. Right, just depends on how tall or short you are. How much skin you got?

Well, you know, I've never cannibalized anyone. I'm not sure about the details, but what I'll tell you is roughly speaking. People don't think the skin is the organ. The biggest organ on the human body is the skin. And it weighs 20 pounds. I don't think that's accurate. I don't think the biggest organ is skin.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Biggest by weight. No, by surface area. Oh, certainly by surface area. Now, by weight, I would guess, my guess would be it'd have to be a percentage of your body weight. I would say, I don't know, 20%, 15% of your body weight is skin. Because obviously, the bigger you are, the more skin you got.

Yeah. Some of us have a bigger organ. I don't think of skin as an organ, and I thought the large intestine could unspool around the earth or something. I thought the large intestine was something that stretched much longer than people would imagine it stretches. When I was growing up, one of the jokes kids would do is, is like, ooh, hey Greg, your epidermis is showing. Oh, those are so saying that about me more. It's just the term for your skin. It just means your skin is showing, but it sounds naughty.

It does. So when someone says that to me, I'm like, oh, no, you clutch yourself. Why were you thinking of this, Greg? Like, how did it come up if one were skinned alive, their skin would weigh 20? 20 pounds on a scale. I research with great diligence, my three facts jack segment. Guaranteed he's just scrolling down like 50 interesting facts. No, no, I look, I research, I looked them up.

But how did it come up? Like how did you arrive at if you were skinned alive and placed the skin on a scale, it would weigh 20 pounds? Put it on the poll, Juju, at Lebitard Show. Did you know your skin weighs roughly 20 pounds? Yeah, the origin of the three-facts shack. It's proprietary information. But let's just say that it came from great diligence and research. It's the small intestine, by the way, that's the long one, not the large intestine.

Yes, exactly, right. I was thinking that, but I didn't want to correct it. How gracious? How long is it? How long is the small intestine? Depends on what you're working with, Dan. Zaz is a substantive. This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stucats podcast.

Greg Cody is wearing his finest terry cloth shirt to celebrate a fun regular season Monday night in South Florida sports. Always fun when the heat beat the Knicks. I think the interesting story from that game is what is Khalil Ware going to become, right? because freakishly athletic. It's still strange to me to see someone that size be able to move that way. It's still not a normal thing for me. I know it's normal throughout the league and it's human evolution, but still weird to see that three of the four All-Stars didn't play for both teams,

so it's not representative of anything except that you can't trust Carl Anthony Towns when he's the best player on the court because he needs to be better than he was at the beginning of the game. So we'll talk about heat nicks in a second. But first, the Panther scored eight goals last night. Now, I saw one game this season at Anaheim. Anaheim's pretty good this year. They're offensively very good. And when I was in Los Angeles, I was watching the game against Anaheim and I legitimately got fooled by the amount of scoring Anaheim was doing in the third period.

Because I thought, I asked my friend on two of the goals, is that a replay from the last goal? Like, did they just score again, and they just kept scoring in the third period, a period that the Panthers owned the last two years and owned again last night. Wait, were you there and you thought you were watching a replay? No, I was watching on television. That would be funny. I was not in Anaheim. I was in Los Angeles.

I was in Los Angeles watching on television. Oh, okay. Because I wouldn't normally be watching the Anaheim Panthers game that late at night. I'm not a West Coast hockey guy after 11 p.m. in South Florida. I just think it'd be strange if, like, you're at a game, and then something tell you, like, am I watching a replay? I know you're there. That would be strange.

Now, you watch all of the Panthers games. Do you also watch the West Coast games, though? You stay up until midnight and 1 o'clock in the morning when they're West Coast traveling? Excellent question, Dan. For the rest of my life, yes, I had always stayed up for the West Coast games. I'm starting to feel my age now, I'm having a very hard time staying. Like last week, the Heat and Panthers were both on the West Coast at the same time. I faded for all the games.

I couldn't do it. I'm getting a little bit old. That was a fun one last night. They score eight times. They annihilated Vancouver, which took a two to nothing lead in the game. And all they need to do is just get the season to Barkoff and Kachuk in a place that's not in disrepair. They don't even need to be among the top eight teams. They just need to be where they've been.

my entire existence as a Panther fan before they started winning, which is five or six points out of the final playoff spot. So, Roy, your thoughts so far, another thousand point guy for the Panthers. I can't believe what's happening with the Panthers. None of this is still normal to me to see them have the historic players, to see them have the celebratory nights where they get to go and interview the family because someone else is arriving at a thousand points because their team is so deep. But both the local teams, the heat and the Panthers, are really deep. The heat are doing what they're presently doing, just staying above 500, waiting for their All-Stars to get back with their bench. They're doing that with their depth, and the Panthers are doing the same thing.

So, Roy, where are you on what the Panthers have done so far this season? Because they look pretty mediocre, but that's fine. You're fine with them looking mediocre. They need to not be bad. Well, they look mediocre because they're about six players. who are injured right now. And that's what tends to happen. Including their two best ones.

Yes, exactly. But Brad Marshine has registered a point in all but two games this season. So he's keeping them afloat. I mean, no Barkov, no Kachuk. They're missing a defenseman in Kulikov as well. They're missing their fourth line center. And Carter Vahege has been a ghost so far this season. Like, you can't wait for Barkov.

Who knows if he's going to be available at someone. Although there was video footage last week, He was like working out at a public park. He had no brace on. That made me feel good, Greg. Yeah, but let's not be doctors here and claim a miracle. Barkov is out for the season. I would be shocked if he came back early.

I don't think that you can say that given that this early he's able to have weight bearing on what was a bad injury. I don't think you can say he's out for the season. In fact, the talk around the team, Roy, you're around. it more, but the talk around the team is they have the quiet expectation that he's going to get back before the playoffs, correct? Absolutely. Like, he's rehabbing without crutches now. Markov told Eric Spolstra five months.

Yeah. That's what he's aiming for right now. How long has it been? How many months? It's been a month and a half? Okay, so three and a half months will be what point in the season? March? Okay, so if you don't need him desperately, are you going to take that chance?

Bringing them back early? Well, desperately means what? Like, they need him to win a Stanley Cup, so yeah. Well, okay. All right. I have different expectations about that. So you say, don't be doctors, but you're willing to say that your prognosis is more accurate than Barkoff's. My prognosis is based on what the doctors have said thus far.

I haven't heard anybody connected with the Panthers go on the record saying Barkoff will be back soon. Oh, but they won't do that. There's no circumstance under which they would do something like that. They would rather under-promise over-delivered that spot. Okay. All right. I mean, you guys may prove right. I'm just saying if I were a Panther fan, I would not expect Barkoff.

Okay. Chuck soon. So you don't, you, I understand that you don't want us to be doctors, but when a month and a half into rehab, you're seeing somebody who, on a bad injury, is releasing video showing that he's in a park and he's putting weight on the leg. He's not limping, he's not walking around gingerly. He's running through a workout. I understand it's not.

You know, it's not being on ice and it's certainly not playing in an NHL game. But if he's got three and a half months and is already weight bearing on the injury, I mean, I'm willing to make a prognosis that hockey players being totally insane that there's no circumstance under which the captain and best player and best two-way player in the sport isn't going to try to get back as fast as he can. So he's not starting with playoff action, Greg. Like you do not want to see, you don't know, you don't want your first games. to be the playoff intensity, so I'm guessing that the goal is to get, the goal is to get back

and to test his body in a way that if he doesn't have a setback, he will, what are you smiling about it mean? I'm just saying, like, isn't the- Better get on board of me, and, you know, sometimes you want to pull back a little bit as to not arouse suspicions, a guy, a month and a half after surgery is out here running? Doesn't sound odd to you guys, you're like, oh, this is great, this is amazing, he's a hockey player and stuff, I'm like, really? Yeah, it's a miracle.

A miracle, all right. A miracle of modern science. Wink, wink, wink, if you catch my drift. I do catch your drift. I don't know why your drift is here or I don't think it's worthy of being caught. No, the drift is needed. I don't catch your drift at all. Yeah.

It's a valuable drift. What are you accusing Barcoff off? I'm not accusing anything. Hold on a second. Don't tell me you're not accusing him of anything. Hold on. Time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call

Rugless speculation. You're good. All I'm saying is you guys seem to be excitedly marveling at this miraculous way ahead of schedule recovery and not like asking any other follow-up questions.

Oh, what's different about your recovery regimen that's made you so incredibly. Like what? Steroids, who cares? Greg, why are you pointing? Why are you pointing at Amin as if you're a journalist and you're pointing at a mean in agreement as if you want to give him a hello. A mean makes a valuable point. Thank you. What's the valuable point?

The valuable point is if a month and a half ago they're saying Barkoff, they're not saying might be out for the season. They are saying Barkoff is out for the season. No, they never said that. I believe they did. They never said definitely out for the season. They never said that. This is a good way to argue. They didn't say that.

I believe they did. That's like arguing with my father, where I'll go to the internet and I'll show him something, and he'll just look at it and go, I don't know about that. Yeah, could be AI. I can't win the argument that way. The internet lies. You're saying you believe something that no one else here believes or has heard people who are watching and following the team every day, including West Coast games, even though they're getting old.

Yeah, get tired, man. Listen, can I say one thing? I don't want to be the naysayer here. I hope he comes back soon. Bark calls my favorite player. March. March, you think? Yeah.

Okay. Are you allowed to have a fair player? I can have a player I enjoy watching. He never gets enough credit. He's the most underrated superstar in the league. I feel like the last couple years. I think he gets the credit now. He finally gets the enough credit.

But if I could add here, Greg, you may think that they announced that he's going to be out for the year. I don't believe that's true. If they actually, like, if they were certain he was going to be out for the year, they would have made the arrangements where they can get, they can replace his salary in the salary cap. And because they did not do that, they can only replace 30% of his salary. So that would tell you they're holding out hope he's going to be back. Otherwise, they would have made the arrangements to get full salary cap relief. All I'm saying is let's not oversell and put too much stock in a video of him not wearing a knee brace at Holiday Park.

It doesn't really mean much to me. Now, you guys are reading a lot into it. What about him telling Spolster that he was going to be back in five months? What about that? Why would he be telling the basketball? basketball coach that he's going to be back in five months. Well, he did. I don't know, I don't know his internal motivations. What is my dad doing right now?

I'll tell you what he's doing. He's asking questions while the rest of you guys are just eating at the trough. Yes, thank you. You're telling me, let me point out, let me point out something that Zaz just did. What? Zaz said, hey, if he was going to be out for the year, they would have applied for the salary cap relief, right? So you're telling me, he gets injured in September, tears his ACL and his MCL.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. At that moment, the Panthers are like, I think he'll be back soon. They haven't seen any rehab. The injury just happened. It's the beginning of the year. And they said, you know what? Let's hold out hope. What do they know that we didn't know in September? Something about a recovery that could be, oh, I don't know, quick enough to be back in the year. Good. I hope you're right. I hope what you're insinuating is right. That's not bad thing. I feel like my dad doesn't know what he's agreeing with when he agrees with the main. Oh, he knows. He knows. How dare you? Good.

Here's another question. What is Tyler Hero telling Paul Maurice about when he'll be back? Because if we're talking to other coaches, not even on our sport, I'm curious what's happening. Okay, but Barkov is a huge heat band. Matter of fact, he was at the game the other day, and he went and visited heat training camp right after having the surgery. He loves the heat. This is an amazing thing, though, to watch from a longtime journalist, okay? You, who have no information talking to Barcoff questions Eric Spolstra, has information from talking to Barkoff. You think you're right and then question both Barkoff and Spoh even though you have no information. We have video, we have Spoh, we have Spoh we have Spoh quoting Barkoff and we have you saying I have no information but I think

everything I'm seeing and hearing is inaccurate. Look I appreciate that Dr. Spolstra has advocated that that Barkoff will be back sooner than others think. I hope he's right. I hope Barkoff plays tomorrow night. I don't even know if they're scheduled tomorrow night. He's questionable. I hope he comes back as soon as possible, if not sooner. But let's just, you know, pump the old brakes and not worry about that.

Let's worry about Kachuk coming back if he has time between his podcast and attending games. Yeah, for real. What are these guys doing? Folks, the leaves are turning. The weather's getting a little chillier. That means a football games are more important. That means football. Ball time, should be Miller time. Game day hits different with a Miller light in your hand.

From jaw-dropping touchdowns to fantasy heartbreaks, my fantasy season's over already, but you know what makes that better? Miller time! It's the beer that's been there for every moment. 50 years of great taste, simple ingredients, and then iconic golden color you can spot from across the room. And here's the kicker, it's just 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces, the original light beer since 1975 and still hitting different five decades later. So whatever your game day looks like, remember Miller Time is always a good time. Miller Light, great taste, 96 calories. Go to Miller Lite.com slash Dan to find delivery options near you.

Or you can pick up Miller Light pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Thursday night football is on. and it's only on Prime Video this week. The Buffalo Bills and Houston Texans collide in an AFC showdown. Coverage begins at 7 p.m. Eastern with football's best party, TNF tonight.

Not a prime member, not a problem. Simply sign up for a 30-day free trial. It's the Bills and the Texans on Thursday at 7 p.m. Eastern only on Prime video. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com slash Amazon Prime for details. Thursday night football is on and it's only on Prime video this week. The Buffalo Bills and Houston Texans collide in an AFC showdown. Coverage begins at 7 p.m. Eastern with football's best party TNF tonight.

Not a prime member, not a problem. Simply sign up for a 30-day free trial. It's the Bills and the Texans on Thursday at 7 p.m. Eastern only on Prime video. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com slash Amazon Prime for details. Don Lebertard. I heard that as a woman faking pain. I didn't think that sounded real.

I really didn't, you know. It was not fake. It was in no way fake. You can spot a woman faking it. Stugats. Yes, I can, Jess. Expert. I've been married 40 years.

This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. You know why? that? Modern science. It's Tuesday. Do you have a back in my day? No. No, I don't. I got one. This is my Ed McMahon imitation, by the way. That makes you Johnny, Dan.

Did you retire back in my day and not tell anybody? Because it's been an extraordinarily long time since you did one. It's been a lot of minutes. It's been many, many minutes. Yeah, I got one in the queue. I just haven't gotten around to writing it yet. Dan, here's an express back in my day. Back in my day, we didn't get medical advice from NBA coaches.

There you go. I like that one. I tell you, Amina's on fire right now. Thank you. And Fuego. Let's go. So, Udana's Haslam told Khalil Ware to rebound better, and since then, Khalil Ware has rebounded better.

Udana's Haslam is also going back and forth with Ben Stiller, trying to keep the embers alive from a long ago rivalry, where after the Knicks beat the heat the other night in New York, Ben Stiller said it will happen again. Eudanis told Khalil that immediately after the game, I texted Khalil Wair and said, get in the film, Mitchell Robinson,

watch every offense rebound. He got on you and fix it. And Ben Stiller chimed in, oh, it'll happen again. What happened last night? Some balls on that Ben Stiller. They do love Mitchell Robinson in New York. Mitchell Robinson,

And not as much as they loved Isaiah Hartnstein, but they do love Mitchell Robinson. They think he's key, and he is key against Cleveland. I don't know how and why, but he presents matchup problems for Cleveland that are totally confusing to me. That's because he's someone who, going into last night, was averaging six offensive rebounds per game in 16 minutes per game. He's a freak as an offensive rebounder. So then U.D. wasn't going to let that stand. I mean, you think he's going to let Ben Stiller talk that kind of way, just say things all willy-nilly. then UD responded to Ben Stiller.

Big fan, but this clearly ain't Yolaine. Yeah, and he did that while putting up a photo. It's the best photo to put up of Ben Stiller that's not with him with sperm and his hair and something about Mary. It's him. It's him and the side of it. Cameron Diaz with the stuff in her hair in that movie.

It was on his ear. It was on his ear. I was picturing the hair up. My band, yes. Good correction. You know about that, just? Jesus. Hold on a second.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. Hold on. We've got a major penalty on Jeremy. Five minutes for being Jeremy. He's got a special one of his own, huh? It was a bad mistake by me.

My bad. It is Cameron Diaz. Dan, you know what my favorite thing is? U.D. had this very stern conversational killer where so you don't let him do that to you again. And so Mitchell Robinson only grabbed five. Five offensive rebounds in 18 minutes last night. But how many on where?

Kellowler owned him. Kellowler was, he was the best player on the floor last night. He was awesome. He was awesome. I'm just saying Mitchell Robinson still grab the shit ton off as a rebound. How many takes do you think Ben Stiller did with the famous head on chest, sweaty chest? Like there's no way that that could be doctored. You had to actually do that, right?

You guys are giving credit to Ben Stiller. How about my guy? Pour out a little liquor, man, for one of the greatest. actors of all time Patrick Seymour Hoffman like legitimate Philip Philip Philip Seymour

his brother Patrick though he was a good actor too a lot of people don't talk about him but Philip Seymour Hoffman one of the great actors like legit I'm not trying to be funny here like a thespian right tour to force performance

absolutely food he starred in this stupid ass movie and killed it it was a great movie but if you were taking so that's along came Paulie I mean Ben Stiller's resume on funny movies. He directed Tropic Thunder. I think that was the first time he

ever directed, but that resume on funny movies... A pubby brakes. Cable guy, one and has something, see. Is an all-timer. I mean, but if you had the scene that you were putting up to make fun of Ben Stiller, okay, the one that Eudanish chose would be my third

choice. Really? Yes, I think that would be my third choice. Now, that's basketball related, but I think I'd go with two others. I would go hanging from the air, and I would go getting your junk caught in the zipper as well. Oh, and he had the brains

coming out of the zipper. Just the ball sack, yeah. Irrelevant, though. This is basketball relevant. That's why he went with it. Come on, Dan. You've got to get your internet troll game. I'm just talking about scenes,

favorite scenes from Ben Stiller if I'm trying to simply mock Ben Stiller. Because Ben Stiller, in terms of famous Knicks fans, the loudest among them is Spike Lee, but I think of Ben Stiller is second.

I think second. I think second place in terms of famous Knicks fans is Ben Stiller. Do you have a nominee better than Ben Stiller? I would say Ben Stiller is internet loud, specifically on Twitter. He tweets a lot. Well, and especially over the last couple of years. He's a little bit of a frontrunner, Ben Stiller.

I didn't hear from him 10 years ago. Like, I would have Tracy Morgan behind Spike Lee. No love for Salome? Shalame was out there. He's a little bit of us, Johnny come lately too. He was only like 12 years old. Tracy Morgan cares so much about the Knicks that he was willing to be sick and puke on the court

during a game last year, I mean. Sick, sick. Willing to? Willing to do that? Yeah, he's like, I don't feel good, but I don't want to miss a game. I think he was already at the game and then he started to not feel good. Perhaps for some of the libations

that are happening behind the scenes. He tried to gut it out, though. Wait a minute. You can't, hold on a minute. What do you mean libations behind the scenes? We don't know that it's libations. Like, time to throw away all journalistic credibility

and get reckless. Here is something we like to call Rugless speculation. You're good. He was drunk. Fair. I mean, give me your expert analysis on what Kalilware is going to become

because this is not his ceiling. Last night at the end of the game, Carl Anthony Towns was having trouble getting his shot off at the end of the game. He doesn't have trouble usually getting his shot off. Now, I do think, The Heats Achilles' heel on offense is going to be what you saw happen at the end of that game, where they're up 10. And then the last three minutes of the game, they score three points.

You don't think Hero's going to help there? He will help, but I think they're going to have a problem with late game scoring because when Hero was in the game and healthy, they had problems with late game scoring because late games are different in the NBA than the rest of the game. Last night, three and a half minutes left in the game. They were up by 10 or 12. they scored three points the rest of the way, but Kalil Ware made it problematic for Carl Anthony Towns, a really uncommon seven-footer, right, wins the three-point contest. He gets his shot off, and he just missed the shot at the end a little further from the basket than he wants to be, but Ware also blocked his shot when he was closer. So I ask for your expertise here,

what is the growth of this is going to be? Because the heat have been pushing him pretty hard, privately and publicly on Grow the Hell Up. Like, we don't have time for childishness or immaturity or work ethic. That's amazing, though. He's only the second year. Well, he's very young. He's, he is a player that is not yet at the top of what his growth will be. So I ask you, what's he going to be?

Well, Zazz, Zaz asked that question. My thought is I think there's a little bit of the ghost of Hassan past that makes the Miami, say, we're not doing this again. We're going to be on your ass from day one. So that's simply because he's tall? Well, no. Oh, there's a level of kind of space cadet of not always locked in. Like, the idea, first of all, the idea that he closed the game last night,

six months ago, that would have been unthinkable. Played over 30 minutes last night, like that usually doesn't happen. The number of minutes is cool, but the idea that Spos said this is a one-possession game, I'm going to have him on the floor. And made the play. And then obviously, he backs it up and makes a play, is incredible. But just simply the trust that he can be out there and will not have a mental lapse that will not mess up.

Now, here's the hard part for a young kid like that. Last night was probably the best game of his career. Okay, now tomorrow you've got to go do it again and do it again and do it again and do it again. And that ultimately, Dan, when you ask me how good can he be, it starts with can he be consistent? You don't have to be that great consistent. Oh, but athletically, there's no reason for him to not be

among the most athletic people on the court every single time he's on the court. He has, oh man. I'm going to say this, and it's going to sound scary. And one embrace yourselves. He has all the physical tools. So I'm talking about. To be a Wembenyama stopper. Whoa.

So I'm talking about it. What? The physical tools. What? The physical tools. Okay, you say this. Someone who doesn't have the physical tools to be a Wembenyama stopper is one of the greatest, most versatile defenders we've ever seen, Jemann Green.

I want to show you guys a ridiculous video. of Draymond Green, who is, you know, between 6, 7 and 6.9, he is undersized. Between 6.6 and 6.7. 6.9. He is. You know what he'd tell you? If you made me 6.9, I'll be MVP in a league. That's what he said. Okay. So he is undersized, but I've never seen him look like a toddler

when trying to guard someone in the low post. You can make the argument that this is the most versatile defender and one of the best defenders we've ever seen. I want you to look at this video of him trying to keep Wembenyama out. And I'm not kidding you, when I say in this, in this, he looks like a toddler. Tremon Green, one of the great defenders in NBA history, looks like a toddler against Wembenyama. And then Wemba Nama just dunks on him because Dremont Green... And stares him down.

Draymond Green, he's not staring him down. He's staring at a spot under Wembenyama's nipples because Wembe Nama is... There is no such thing as physical tools that can stop Wembenyama. Well, not when you're 6'7. Right? Like that could be problematic. And Draymond, what he's done there is literally the extent of the human capability given the physical tools given. He's being physical. He's pushing. He's also talking. I don't know if we have that sound of him saying the shit talk that was happening between him and Wenyama during the game. But it's like he's doing all of these things to try and take away. But you can't take it all the way. So the spin lob is there because he doesn't want him to get the clean catch right there because if he turns and fires, Drayvon has no chance. is the part. If I could take Draymond's brain and put it into Killoware's body, now we're talking.

Let's look at this again so you guys can see. It's a low off. First, Draymond goes in, gets underneath them and it's like, I got position on him. That does not last very long. Yeah, they tried to guard the Carl Anthony Towns this way last night because you take smaller guys and you just throw him at the waist of the taller guy. But the size difference. They're the same height when he's got his hands on his knees. Real quick, I want to talk to you about how GameTime is the official ticketing partner of the Dan Lebitard show. Grateful that GameTime has been on with us as long as they have because I use this product all the time. I travel for football if I'm in a new city. I like to see what concerts are in town.

One of the very first things I check is my favorite app for the secondary ticket market, the GameTime app. Why? Because it gives me zone deals. favorites panoramic seat views most importantly the lowest price guarantee because if game time does not have the lowest price for you game time will credit you 110% of the difference i've lived it folks i've been at a place where i saw cheaper tickets they credited me it's legit game time ticket coverage means your purchase is covered with the most flexible customer service policy in the ticketing industry take the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets with game time download the game time map create an account and use Code Dan for $20 off, your first purchase, terms apply. Again, create an account and redeem code D-A-N for $20 off. Swipe, tap, Ticket, go.

Download the game time app today. Mike, you know I have one rule to live by, right? Don't place parlays on multiple long shots. Don't say a game is one when it hasn't hit triple zero. Always drink your Yeagermeister ice cold. That's the rule. Everything else is merely a suggestion. Everything else?

Everything else. wearing clean underwear every day? Well, that's just a personal decision. Brushing your teeth? Obviously smart, but not a rule. Never pee-pee on an electric fence. Okay, maybe there are two rules. But the one that is 100% that I insist on completely,

Yeagermeister must be drank ice cold. Or don't drink it at all. Damn, that's cold. Exactly. You're finally starting to get it. Drink responsibly. Yeagermeister liqueur 35% alcohol by volume imported by mass Yeagermeister U.S. White Plains, New York.

On Fox 1, you can stream your favorite live sports, so you're there for the biggest moments as they happen. For me, I cannot deal with spoilers, so I need to see it live, especially on college football Saturdays and NFL Sundays. With Fox 1, you get it all. NASCAR, the MLB postseason, edge of your seat plays, jaw-dropping moments, and that rush like you're right there in the action. Sports are meant to be watched live, and you can do that with Fox 1. Fox 1, we live for live, streaming now. Don Levatard. This guy comes in as the next Wayne Gretzky.

His nicknames include The Chosen One and McJesus, okay? He's a great player. He scores a lot of goals. He scores a ton of assists, but it hasn't translated to making Edmonton a powerhouse in the league. They're in the final. Stugats. What's your nickname for him? McOverrated.

This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. This is like Wembon Yama, it looks like him playing against sixth graders, because Wembenyama is a foot, he's a, he's a foot taller than one of the great defenders ever. But when you say he's got to put it together night after night, you are right, of course, I mean, but there's nothing keeping him from putting it together night after night except him. Like what, when you talk about physical tools, I'm asking you, what's the ceiling on this person? and give me a comp for what the ceiling is on a person this young who is going to continue to grow because this is not his prime.

It is not. He is going to get better as a basketball player and he's already somebody. I don't want him taking too many corner threes, but he can take corner threes. What's the ceiling? Wendby. Okay, we're not going to do that. Oh, come on. Come on.

Come on. Slow down. Slow down. What kind of discussion is that? I say, come on, you say come on. You say something ridiculous. I say come on and then you say come on. Come on, I'm doing a thing.

Don't come on me. Come on. The ceiling, Dan, I don't know because I'm trying to figure out who is a cop. And I think Rudy Gobert, but, like, he can shoot way better than Rudy Gobert ever could in his career. So that shooting changes. And runs the floor better. Rudy, Rudy's a pretty good athlete, too. I'm not, I'm not questioning Rudy Gobert's athleticism.

The way where runs the floor on the fast break is, to me, unstrue. an unusual thing at his side where he is running the floor with the same speed everyone else is running the floor. The way Weir dribbled up the floor in the front court and then dunked past two guys like Rudy Gobert can't even dream of it.

So then I think about Javel McGee. Is he like a better Javelle McGee? Because Javelle McGee was very skill but again was plagued by a lot of the things that we talked about as far as can you be locked in every single night? Why can't he just be this guy that we saw last night? That guy's really good.

Why can it be that? Because it takes a level of mental preparation and concentration to stay locked in. It's also, you know how this game goes, things are changing all the time. You can't be like, okay, I got it now because you know what those guys are doing. They're watching film too, and they're going to start adapting. So it involves like a diligent, again, intellectual approach. It's not just let me get in the weight room and I'm good. It's like, yo, you've got to learn this game.

and does he have the appetite to continue to learn it? But I think that was where, last night, I think that was where his fourth straight double-double. Isn't that a sign of consistency, a hint of it? At least an encouraging sign. Yes, Greg. But then, again, I invoke the name of the spirit, Hassan Whiteside. Yeah, but that's not right because Whiteside was like 27 or 29 when the heat got him.

This is rookie development at 20 years old. And when you say Javelle McGee, now I know Javelle McGee is a medieval. majestic athletic talent. But when I think of Javel McGee, I just think of an assortment of ridiculous plays that are going to be put on the screen now because I asked video to get me a montage of just Javel McGee being ridiculous because he is still mad at Shaquille O'Neal for the way that Shaquille O'Neal would make fun of him because he was more athletic than anyone else on the court, but he would just do an assortment of nonsense that was irresponsible. I associate Treveille McGee largely with wasted talent.

That's my favorite one out of the entire montage of all the things we'll ever show. My favorite one is him messing up, running back off court even though they have the ball. And the way John Wall turns back and looks at him and has this kind of, oh, Jesus Christ, this look about him. Dan, Javela McGee is a, first of all, he's a two-time champ. His highlights for a base. Three-time champ. Three times? Twice with the Warriors and once with the Lakers.

Twice with the Warriors and once with the Lakers. So a three-time NBA champ, so put some respect on his day. But also, Dan, that's an example of, like, when it's not harnessed, right? You're right, Hassan Whiteside was further along as a reclamation project. But I think he was productive in a way where the heat were like, well, we're getting what we need out of them. And then ultimately down the line, they realized they created a monster by not being stricter. I went to you for genuine expertise and enthusiasm. I'm not saying you didn't give us expertise, but you did not give us enthusiasm.

When you compare his ceiling to Javeil McGee, you have insulted ceilings. Again. Sealing's like, come on. I think if I ask Hillel where, would you like to be a three-time champion and be like a pivotal part of that? That's a pretty good ceiling. A pivotal part of that was 12 minutes a game. Come on. He was not a pivotal part of his championship.

Lob threat, man. You needed a lob threat in that warrior's offense. I'm not disputing that he gave them. contributions, that he was a contributor to those championships. I am disputing that he was a pivotal thing that would have resulted in championships, not being won if he hadn't been the one at the rim. I gave you Rudy Gobert with a jump shot. You didn't like that one either. You do it. What's where the ceiling? Well, the reason that I'm hesitant to do it is because I don't believe that what it is that I have watched over the history of time in basketball allows me to

accurately assess people this size when Carl Anthony Towns is a human being that I've never seen what play basketball before. Someone who shoots that well at that side, but at that size, but isn't in the post what I would like him to be. So the reason I'm going to a mean is because his library of remembering how it is that people develop from when they're 20 is better than my library on how they develop. And so Rudy Gobert as a comp doesn't work. for me just because he's a better offensive player than Rudy Gobert, and I doubt very much that he'll ever be the defensive player that Rudy Gobert is, and I don't mean that as a slight in any way on where either. I'm looking for somebody because where frustrates me with his

lack of touch around the basket. He frustrates me with his low post game, but I don't think it's going to stay that way. I believe that with a great many reps, he's not going to be that kind of awkward and i don't know how to do the assessment because of how young he is what happens when he's in this particular uh cauldron like i've i've seen this team do something with ike austin like in terms of being able ike austin driving around right now like hey they talk about me on levittar show wait a second damn man i thought we were cool then i i don't mean that as an insult to ike austin like ike austin wasn't very much when even ike austin's like yeah they did a lot with me. When he got

here, he wasn't any kind of special. He was overweight. He was out of the league. He was an underachieving overweight big man and he came here and he became a rotation NBA player. It's a story that I tell every time. We talk about the heat. It's like they have decades

of proof that we get guys, we get diamonds in the rough, we polish them up. Why would you ever pay retail for your diamonds then? You do this all the time for Sean Leonard, the Ike Austin, Eric Murdoch, like all these names, John Crotty, like these guys were, were just around. Yes, Mashburn.

DeMall Madsburn, Clarence Weatherspoon. This season is a really interesting case study for the heat, and so is this player individually, because everything that we're talking about with the heat getting guys to overachieve, it's either guys who had attitude problems, right, in their previous stops, whether that was Hardaway, whether that was morning, whether that was Jimmy Butler, getting them to overachieve, then looking at the undrafted players that they've done this with, taking or taking guys that, you know, hadn't reached their ceiling. Now you have, whether it's Kolo where, even Davian Mitchell, who was a lottery pick,

who has yet to find his footing, you're taking guys with higher ceilings, talented players, and seeing if you can unlock the best of them. For that matter, 10 years into his career, Andrew Wiggins is having a career season. So it's interesting to see the way that they'll be able to do it. And Kala Ware is the perfect case study of that heat cauldron that you speak of. Let me correct your young ass. Tim Hardaway wasn't an attitude issue. It was we thought his knees were done.

Like it was bone on bone. And Golden State also benched him for Spreewell. That's right. Because his knees were bone on bone. Like it was a physical thing. People thought his career was over. And then Alonzo morning, let me tell you something. You think that was an attitude problem?

That was an attitude problem that 29 teams would have won, or I guess it was 27 back then, but 27 teams were lying up for. Alonzo Morning was not at all looked at as a toxic thing. Okay. Now it's very a passive thing. I said, okay. No, no, no. That okay was loaded in some stuff.

I'm with Zazz. It felt like it had an undertone of racism. One of the most. What? Whoa. It's a hostile workplace. I didn't see it at first, but I'm starting to say. see it now. I didn't like that. Where's HR?

He spent Sunday cheering for Harrison Butker and I'm not happy with what's happening with... Gambling. Gambling. He started gambling. Hold on. I was on outside of that. What it loaded. Okay. There was a lot of poison in that okay, Jeremy. There was a lot of base in that okay. Tim Hardaway came here

as he was viewed as a problem child. It wasn't just knees. It wasn't just knees. Okay. Long-term heat expert. Dan He was available cheap. It was also knees, but it wasn't just knees. It was available cheap because people thought his career was over. Also, you want to trust a guy who thought Ben Stiller had the jizzum in his hair? I mean, cheap, they gave up Kevin Willis and Bimbo Kohl's. Hey, man. Kevin Willis.

Got to give something to get something. Hold on, man. Kevin Willis won the longest NBA careers in NBA history. He had T-Rex arms. He did, but he was in great shape. Those arms were buffed. dude. Refuse to pass. He wore nothing but Eddie Murphy suits too. Like all of his suits were leather. Well he has like a clothing

line. Oh but he was, he looked so good in those suits because he was so buff but you're right. He had T-Rex arms. They were short arms. He was a seven-footer right? But he did not play like a seven-footer. I mean he was athletic. He had some

he was a good player but lack and alas. Having short arms kind of as like a hazard in the workplace in this sport. Greg Cody's having a bad arm day again, I think. Well, when, I was just curious, when did the alligator arm become the T-Rex arm? Because it was always the alligator arm for short. Either one. I think alligator arms, I don't think alligator arms are short arms.

I think alligator arms are scared arms, arms that you retract when you're going over the middle. T-Rex arms are just your hands are attached to your nipples. You think an alligator's arms are scared? Yeah, that sounds. Have you ever fought an alligator? I thought they had the same meeting, but Jeremy says you're right, Dave. Alligator arms are scared arms. Look at me, I'm Kevin Willis.

I don't say right now. I never seen no alligator that was scared. You see one great? No, hell no. They are also short arms, but there's arms that get short when you're scared going over. I mean, Ricky Waters has the famous quote when he played for the champion 49ers. He's going over the middle, and he alligator arms something, and he looked around. He's like, for who, for what?

11 in front of the hour. Returning, I'm Mardog Unleashed. Now is a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Quervo invented tequila. Quervo. What are you doing here? Quervo. Anytime someone says Quervo, I show up.

Well, I do know that to be true, but even during an ad reads, like... Quervo. I think he could lay out, especially from one of our great partners. Sweet, delicious, quervo. Since then, Quervo is stayed true to its roots. The same family, the same land, the same passion. Quervo. So, enjoy the tequila that started it all.

Quervo. Quervo. The tequila, that invented tequila. Broximo.com, please drink responsibly. Quervo.