The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: The Wide Receiver Workshop

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

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BMO.com slash VI Porter to learn more. Are the rest of you as tired as I am already and I was happy to see Hawkins initially Hearing him talk about the local wide receiver workshop that he participated in I'm glad it was initially you were happy to see me. That's that seemed like a kind of a under under shot there. I Mean it was I participated in a wide receiver workshop. I'm not saying I still got it. know what I'm saying? I'm not saying I don't. Like you were doing the drills? I did do the drills. You guys need quarterbacks? I'll go over there. We needed quarterbacks We actually were struggling to find. You need to throw actual footballs or imaginary ones if it's imaginary ones. If you've got a 5-star What's his name? D'Abel? You heard of him? 5-star Rajabel Sun? did you know that? Oh yeah, no, I've emmowed him once.

Did you? What, for a? For an official visit. To put Miami in his top 30? Is that what that was? I did not, just for the record. Okay, well yeah, they had a five star quarterback. A lot of great receivers were there.

Tyreek Hill was there, Jamar Chase was there, Jerry Judy, T Higgins, who else, Elijah Moore. It was like 13 or so NFL receivers. It was hosted by Chattanocho Cinco I want to get into it, but it was a lot of fun then You were showing everyone pictures of you running routes. I didn't show everyone pictures of me running routes. I showed them Videos of me in the background of other really good receivers running routes I saw you I saw a photo of you catching a ball jumping up in the background of other really good receivers running routes. I saw a photo of you catching a ball jumping up in the air. You certainly participated in the routes.

You were showing me the photos of you in midair catching a football. I feel like somebody else showed you that, which also makes me feel pretty good that it's going around. But yeah, did I jump? How was the vertical? Be honest, did I look high?

You looked high. Thank you. That's the wide receiver way. How was the vertical? Be honest, did I look high? You look high. Thank you. You know? How was the landing? It's a wide receiver way. How was the landing? Because as we approach 40 and whatnot, they say the landing's the harder part.

That's me in the background. I will say. We're not on video yet. It's a difficult thing to ask him about because this is very visual. Man, look at that quad is popping. Look in your mind's eye and imagine me in the background, listeners.

I would say this was like four days ago and I am very much still sore. And I only participated in maybe 40% of the workout that I did do that day. So you aren't quite ready for flag football in the Olympics the way you thought you were. No, but I will say it did give me a glimmer of hope. Cause even the current guys, I would do my part of the drill and they'd go, ooh.

Like it was like, damn. That's good. Hey, you can move, that's crazy. I don't see guys with gray beards do that type of thing. I don't see you do it with a gray beard either. It made me feel good, that's all I'm saying. Cause our noobs were talking about it. This ain't gen pop. These are the best of the best.

I mean, you mentioned Elijah Moore. Did you guys see what he did as his route? Because this is the move of the old wide receiver. He did the route, but it was just hands and shoulders. Also, the route is running through your whole body. Okay, so. So you're saying these other receivers were amazed at how you moved your shoulders off the line. I have till the end of the segment to take something back.

I just noticed Elijah Moore signed with the Buffalo Bills. He's going to be fine. He's going to be more than fine. Yeah, he's going to be all right. Absolutely. He can really move those shoulders. Hey everybody, it's Mike down here in South Florida. As the audience well knows,

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Mike Ryan is alleging, Andrew Hawkins, that Tyreek Hill at this wide receiver camp that you were at, that he has seen video that he had to double check because he thought it would be, it had been sped up for just Tyreek Hill, that everyone else looked slow in the video and that Tyreek Hill's, he was claiming that AI had changed the speed of Tyreek Hill compared to everyone else at this wide receiver workshop that you did. If it's AI, it's in its legs because I was there in person and I'm telling you, I don't know if I've seen very many humans run at his speed and the impressive part is not just his speed because there's been fast guys and you're sometimes in football, especially in the NFL, you do come around guys that even by NFL standards

are a different level of speed. His ability to stop at that speed is what makes him truly an anomaly. He's 31 years old. Now, people don't talk about that enough. I couldn't agree more. Listen, he ran a 10.10 in the 100, right, a 10.10, which is elite speed in general.

And how I always look at it is like, there's tears. If your receivers run faster than a 10, or even probably anything below that, you're probably not gonna be good at football because you're not gonna be able to stop your body. And that's what football is all about. Tony is looking at how he stops there and it's not possible to cover any of that, obviously.

It's not only that, he stops on a dime. The quarterback threw it over his head, like to the back. It was like. It was a terrible throw. You shoulda hit me up. These quarterbacks were so nervous though. You gotta understand. That's the thing, you gotta go in,

you gotta own the place. You're the quarterback. You're the guy that makes things happen. No, no, no, no, no, no. He has the kind of speed that flusters you like, oh my gosh Am I going to be too late? You don't get that. You don't get that. You put it out in front of him so he can go get it. That's what quarterbacks do. Bro, shut up. Okay, so yeah, look I think Tyrequio has a big year because to run that fast period is crazy to run that fast at 31 is insane. You can tell he's been on the track this entire offseason keeping his top line speed

But the fact that he can stop at that speed is like even by the NFL guys that were there There was everybody else and then there was Tyreek who's the worst stopper in the league like who's really fast, but can't stop well I mean those guys are being off its alignment those guys aren't in the league That gets weeded saying he's the best stopper. So I'm just like is there a route there? They're like I could stop better. Yeah, like Mike Vittar and D2 Anybody that says like oh, this is the track guy or the guys that in the NFL were like Oh, he was really fast and track. He hasn't you know, so much speed doesn't translate. It's probably why you're not of the belief that he could actually Beat Noah Lyles in a race. Are you because that's been cancelled now that was supposed to

Be in California a month ago, and it was cancelled You don't believe that he could beat an Olympic gold medal sprinter. Do you at what distance I? Like him in the 60 well I thought I wasn't it weren't thinking they weren't gonna do 100 meters right they were gonna Do I think they were gonna do 60 I like them in 60. I don't like them in 80 80 to 100 I like Noah anything below 60 is Tyreek running away 60 is like the distance where Noah stride kicks in because he's not a great starter and Tyreek is explosive off the ball But the stride will start to kick in around 45 meters and it gets really close at this

Well, you can speak, right? When you're watching at this wide receiver workshop, one of the things that's unusual about Tyree Kill, I understand that people know the speed, obviously, but people that height generally can't play that sport because you're, I mean, you did, but it's, you're an outlier, he's an outlier, but he also kind of has, because your quickness was amazing,

his quickness is amazing, and also his physical size at that height feels and seems like he's uncommonly strong at that height. He is very strong, and I think the game has changed too. Like when I was coming out, that wasn't a thing, especially at, cause even he is like an inch and a half, two inches taller than me. But it wasn't a thing when I was coming out.

I think now you are seeing a lot more shorter receivers. Like even at that workout, Elijah Moore was there, he's a shorter receiver. Tank Dale was there, shorter receiver. Xavier Estrepo was there, he's a shorter receiver, Tankdale was there, shorter receiver, Xavier Estrepo was there, he's not the biggest guy, but I think it's because the wide receiver position, your job is yes to catch the football, equal to that is your ability to separate, right? Now if you're a big receiver, you have a big catch radius and it makes it easy on quarterbacks to say, hey, okay, okay,

someone's attached to you or not that far away, I put it in this vicinity, you have long arms, you go get it, right? Or if you're really, really fast, if I give you enough time, your stride kicks in, you will be out in front of you. Like Tony said, just throw it out in front of him. You put it out in front of him. Just get it, yeah.

He was helping you. He gets it more than probably anyone I've ever talked to. Thank you, buddy. Right? Again, if you guys need somebody next time, I'm there. Just call me. It's done, it's a done deal. You will be there. And then the other piece of that now is like if you guys meet somebody next time, I'm there. Just call me. It's done. It's a done deal.

You will be there. And then the other piece of that now is like, if you're a smaller receiver and your ability to stop on a dime and ramp up the speed faster than everybody else creates more separation. So for Tyreek Hill, yes, he's smaller in stature, but the throws are as easy as they can be because he has the ability to stop faster than you

and speed up faster than you So no one's ever attached to him when he's making catches Can I ask you a question? I'm sorry dan, but uh since we're at this wide receiver symposium now There's a couple wide hosted by chad otrosenko There's a couple wide receivers in college that I wanted to ask your opinion about because people were talking in high school about jeremiah Smith and his ceiling and i've never really heard Around a wide receiver in high school people chatter with conviction, this guy could be the greatest of all time. He has all the physical gifts, he's got the speed, he's got the brakes, he's

got the hands, and Williams out of Alabama has body control that, even though he doesn't have the size of Randy Moss, has the body control of Randy Moss. And I would ask you, if you could have something, understanding that pretty much everybody outside of Xavier Restrepo that plays that position is fast. Right, fast for humans. Maybe not fast for NFL players. What is the physical trait that you would want

outside of speed? Is it the ability to just catch and be dependable? Is it body control? Is there a singular physical trait that you would lump on top of the speed to take you to that next tier? There's not a single physical trait and I think that's the hard part about wide receiver. I do think if I was gonna pick one and rank it above everything else it would be body control, you know, but the given has to be you can catch to a certain degree. And some people's ability for hand-eye coordination

and you know, grip of the football, size of the hand are gonna vary. Can that be a learned behavior? Because in college, Andre Johnson wasn't super dependable with hands. Yeah. And then he became a very dependable receiver in the pros. You gotta know what you're looking at.

You gotta know like what somebody's actual ability is and how much of it is maximized. Now if you can't catch, and there are people like this that literally, it won't matter how much work, I can tell you exactly how to do it, you can rep it, you can get it adjusted. They get weeded out though, they never get. Well.

They don't get to the post. I mean, Brandon Marshall struggled with that throughout his career. Yeah, you gotta know if it's a concentration issue or if it's an actual ability for your eyes and hands to be on the same page, which is a thing. And typically, those kind of guys, like he's super fast, he can, great body control, all these things,

but he just, you know what they are? Cornerbacks. So nine times out of 10, the cornerbacks are very aggressive and they are fast and all the things but they can't catch. That's why they're on that side of the ball. Is that the hardest position to play in maybe professional sports outside of quarterback because of all the processing that you have to do? I look at that video and we can put it up again of Tyreek Hill coming out of his brakes

and I just imagine what it's like for someone that is tasked with defending him not knowing where he's going to go and it seems impossible. I think it is the hardest position to be born good at because it is hard to guard another very, really fast human being going backwards. But, cornerback is actually easy if you are born with the ability because receiver has a bunch of skill. You can be very fast, quick, great hands. In today's game, if you have not built the skill

that it needs to play wide receiver, you will not be successful. Cornerback is easier, because as long as you're athletic and you're aggressive and you're not scared to hit, I can put you at corner, you do really well. Same with running back. I can give you the ball, and whether we've gone through, you know, positional skills, and say,

hey, make people miss and go score, and if you have the natural ability, you'll be able to pick it up. Receivers, there's a lot of factors that go into it. So it makes it a little harder. You can speak to this better than most. I watch what Tyreek Hill is doing there, which is just very common, very simple. Every day for 15 years, he's probably been doing that kind of route running. And what I think to myself as he's doing it is,

man, those feet are gonna be a mess by the time that dude gets to 50 years old because of how much effort all of that requires. And you were the similar kind of roots and adventure to get to the NFL. Your feet are in what kind of condition given that you had to be better at cuts than other people. Tell us about your feet.

Yeah, so my feet, for those at home listening, my daughters, when I take my socks off, won't come near me because they look so bad. Go! It's like deformed toes, are we talking about LeBron? It's like the size 10 version of a LeBron foot all the toes kind of come together They're all like all damaged like nail beds my ankles have like the surgery marks all over them Are your feet better or worse?

Giant are your feet better or worse than Greg Cody's right there that are on the screen I've maintained that those are a demon's feet or perhaps the devil's feet. Well, let's break it down They're they're way too veiny. That's that's an issue out there Well, he went demon and then he was like well, it could be it could be top of the line Right. I was thinking to myself that all of the demons have a certain kind of feet But they respect that demon's feet because it's the worst of all the feet. So I promoted your father to having the devil's feet because he had the worst feet in hell.

Well, like most feet look like an L. His kind of looks like a hockey stick, right? Like from the ankle to the foot, it's like a, there's no like deviation in the joint area. So it just kind of goes to the tip. A lot of ankle going on. A lot of ankle. There's way too much filler at the side of the foot.

Like it shouldn't be that thick. There's way too many veins. A foot that thick shouldn't be able to see so many veins. And then the big toe nail shape is like it comes to a point. And that's where the demon thing kinda pops in. Because it looks like the big toe nail shape is like it comes to a point. And that's where the demon thing kind of pops in. Because it looks like the big toe has horns. And so there's a lot going on. Second and third toe are like the same size.

It's weird. I'd like you to understand that if I was in prison and I had only your father's big toe, that would be confiscated by the guards as an illegal weapon that I... The shank. You've naturally snuck a shank into prison. That I could absolutely kill other prisoners and run the yard if I just had that big toe in my pocket,

that sharpened big toe. It is disgusting. Put it back up there a second. No, don't. Oh, come on, man. Well, I just want the audio audience, which might not be seeing this, to understand that I believe that Greg Cody is so unhealthy that that right foot, that that's as low as it goes coming to flat on the floor. I'm saying the foot doesn't work right. He walks like the beast in Beauty and the Beast. That foot does not work right, and that's as low as his heel comes to the asphalt right there because the five toes

have just lapsed into rigor mortis. Yeah, and you can tell he has a good foot and a bad foot. Like his left foot is clearly his good foot. He'll take that sock off, whereas right one looks like he has a rubber band double knotted right under his knee, and all the veins are just rushing. The blood is just sitting there.

Huck, if we zoom out, what do you think he's doing right there? Because you don't see him on the asphalt. Do you know what he's doing there? It's a great question. Washing a car of some sort? I don't know. Maybe.

You're gonna be shocked by my answer. I feel like that's a hose right there. He is you're gonna be shocked by like that's a hose right there No, you're gonna be shocked by my answer right there, and you wouldn't have guessed it Should we give him the answer should we show the picture in full? I Want I want to just give him the answer because I could give him a million guesses and he would not answer what I'm about To say which is what Greg Cody is doing right? There is no lie frying a turkey

okay that's yeah it would have took me a while to get there and frying a turkey barefoot on the concrete in his garage in front of his garage but I don't want to typecast but Don LeBattard if Daniel Day Lewis did it you'd be jerking off all over yourself oh come on come on. Yeah, I would be I mean, what is it? What is that? I'm just saying I see that photo of Daniel Day-Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming Lincoln and you know what I do I mean two gods I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do Lincoln who you outed the other don't make this a rejoin. This is the done. LeBatard show with a Stu gots The other thing that Hawk doesn't know Tony is I saw the look

I saw the glazed look on Hawk's face as you guys made the comment To the people in our audience who may remember the day that Tony told us about trying out for FIU football. Mike Ryan made the joke, and it's not a joke, that Tony would throw you imaginary footballs at this wide receiver camp, because as our resident non-NFL division best football player on our crew. Okay. Tony's qualifications as our best football player is that he tried out at FIU for quarterback,

but in the tryout they didn't let him use football. So he was just dropping back and throwing a mag. Dropping dimes. All right. Here's the story, Hawk. I'll make it condensed for you. Give me the story because I don't wanna. I'll make it extremely condensed for you. So with the walk because I don't want to. I don't want to.

I'll make it extremely condensed for you. So with the walk-on tryouts, what they didn't do is allow us to use footballs because that would take away practice days from the actual team. Don't want to do that. So what they did is. How do you assess a walk-on? Like, let me look at this guy.

My point exactly. So I think they just did it all 40 times, which is, you know, whatever, neither here nor there. But. Because everybody wants a quarterback with a fast 40. But go ahead. Go ahead. So I was doing my three-step, five-step. I. I was doing a quick quick step like on a quick slant

So I was working those but the receivers were getting thrown tennis balls from the wide receiver coach Yeah, and then I had to like stop back and throw But like nice form nothing like I had to throw nothing So it was it was difficult because of the fact that they didn't let us use the balls because they would have taken the balls From the team. Yeah, I get it. That for sure. We can't take away from the actual football players, you know, to give you a shot at being one of the scout players. But I will say that's not a good sign that they saw you without a football and didn't think you had the ability to do

so. But you definitely can assess a quarterback without a football. Did you play quarterback in high school? Yeah. Well, give me your stats. Give me your stat line in your senior year. Well, no, I didn't play my senior year. Ah, okay. That old tale.

No, I ended up playing basketball. I left football to play basketball. Were you licking your hands before? Okay. Yeah, before the imaginary football, did you lick your fingers? No. Why didn't you go for tight end?

I should have probably. Yeah. Like buck or tega. You might be in the NFL had you been like. If I would have buckled down in high school and played, like I could have done something. Why didn't you do that? Buckled down and played is a crazy sentence. You can buckle down if you're already playing and be like,

you know what, I got to take this series. If I played tight end. If you had to buckle down to even sign up. No, I was playing quarterback. If I would have buckled down and played tight end from the jump instead of quarterback. But you didn't play your senior year. Correct, because I ended up staying to play basketball.

And 10 day Tony. I mean, it was the right decision. The moniker's the reason, yeah. Right decision. His shot is dripping wet. But I do see the point about being a tight end. There's a, the league is chock full of guys that have made the switch from quarterback to tight end. The league is chock full of guys that have made the switch

from quarterback to tight end at a very successful rate. Guys that never played tight end, even in college, go into the league and all of a sudden are successful. And he's got a pretty decent tight end build. He's got a good build for it. He hit the weight room. He'd probably be super jacked. He's probably pretty athletic since he's a basketball player.

I love to convert basketball players who have the size to tight end because it's another one of those positions that we can get you going relatively fast. Just to be clear, we're making the allegation here that if Tony had buckled down. And signed up, yep. Well again, sign up wasn't the issue. I'm not finished.

We're making the allegation here that if Tony had buckled down he'd be the immortal Mark Andrews that he'd be running through a secondary buck Ortega he didn't he didn't say mark Andrews he said he could have made something of himself and I agree with that I think he could have made something of himself I think if had he played tight end you would not describe him as the best inshow non NFL Football player a part of the metal like universe you would just say

former college football player. Yeah, Tony your Camp your wide receiver workshop. It wasn't my camp, I gotta correct that. It was Chad Ocho-Cinco's camp who I came to help out. I was surprised to hear you say though that Ocho-Cinco was your favorite. Oh yeah. Your favorite. Favorite, number one.

NFL player ever. Yeah, no, he was a really, cause I grew up a Bengals fan because my brother played there and they had really, really rough years. And I remember he was like, yeah, we got this rookie watch. He's gonna be a household name.

And no one knew about him. And so he would bring me these one-on-one tapes of him and TJ Hushman's out of. So I would just study these things. I would get home from school, throw them in the DVD player, which was a thing that played movies back in the day, throw them in the DVD player,

and I would just watch these one-on-ones all day. And I would just be like, man, so then I would go to OTAs every once in a while and they would let me sit there and I'd watch them do one-on-ones. And Chad was like, I'm talking about, you talk about footwork and all the things people give me credit for, at his size, his ability to come out of breaks,

his ability to change his speed, his understanding of the game, he really was a technician and I just like his personality brought a bunch of positive vibes to a market in the NFL which is really hard to have people talk about especially at that time. And so that whole kind of receiver personality it doesn't all come from him obviously he was also influenced by the Deons and other people but that receiver personality we talk of today a lot of that comes from Chad. So he was your favorite at least in part because he was behaving in a way that you weren't quite allowed to right like you you weren't you weren't quite good

enough and I mean this as no insult whatsoever. That is a hard way to start that statement but go ahead. I mean you were good enough to play in the pros, but to carry yourself in the pros as if you were. I made $15 million, I don't know. Go ahead, I guess. Did you carry yourself with a flamboyant arrogance that would bring the attention of your own coaches? That would be viewed as disruptive. I would imagine, when you're saying

that wide receiver personality, he was doing that on steroids. Yeah, but I was in high school at the time. So by the time I got old, you'd grow out of it. It's like Mike Ryan's hip hop phase, right? Like it's like, when you first get into it, you're like, I love this thing, right? Then over time, it like, you know,

you water it down a little bit. A lot a bit. I can't follow this. I'm just as insulted as you were at Dan's intro. You know when Mike had his hair blonde and he was calling himself the real Slim Shady. I did have an Eminem poster. When he was 16, you know you get to the pros it's like okay I can't do this at work. I can't do this at work. Chad could. But in high school that bravado of like oh okay I put a lot of work in and then I go out here and I tell somebody what I'm gonna do and I make them okay, I put a lot of work in and then I go out here and I tell somebody

what I'm gonna do and I make them, it did fuel a lot of that generation. I think even the receivers today, I'll give you this other tidbit, tight end you works because of the personality profile of tight ends. This is a group of guys that wanna get together, have a beer, let's work, we're simple people.

At the wide receiver workout, you know, I mean, they're amazing athletes, they work hard, you know, but they're jumping in their Rolls Royces. They put the shades on, immediately put 10 chains on, and go do their thing. It's just a completely different personality profile and that personality profile in a lot of ways comes from Ocho Senko. So in my opinion, he is kind of like the godfather of the wide receiver position on and off the field because he encapsulates like the receivers before him who he has a major connection to, and he's like the oldest receiver that the new generation of receivers still know, love,

and have a lot of respect for and know a lot of information about because that's rare. You mentioned something you can't do at work or the idea of things that you can't do at work, and I wanted your guidance on something that Mike Ryan's been doing at work for a while now Hey, this would be an HR question. Please don't get me involved. I don't I would not like to be a It might be an HR question. It's been it's jerking off It's been a complaint that's been filed against Mike Ryan here in the morning. And it is not jerking off. Thank you for nothing.

In fact, you know what? Hold on. Let's just get him out of here. Come on. Minor penalty two minutes of retaliation. That's not. See. Mike Ryan, why are you leaving?

Oh, you want to talk about me after I'm gone? That's Mike Ryan I wanted out. I thought it was like an NHL thing where I- What is that penalty for? I beat you into one. Is that a great joke penalty? When do we add that? I've been gone that long?

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The thing that I was asking you though that may indeed be an HR violation that has been complained about here by other employees is Mike Ryan coming in and playing his own music during the first hour while people are having breakfast and stuff that people are milling in. And today, he chose satanic music. That's what he was playing at eight o'clock in the morning in here. And my question to you is, if there's a guy in the locker room who's playing music that the other guys in the locker room object to,

how does that situation get handled it play out because HR isn't really a thing in the NFL Not locker rooms. No, man. Yeah HR is kind of handled like in the locker room. It's like turn off Yeah, it's like can can the person play? It's a very simple question. Can the person playing the music whoop you? Right because there's there's no, it's like prison, and the guards ain't gonna get here quick enough to save you. So, how confident do you feel in walking up to this person and telling him to shut his music the hell off, okay?

That's gonna escalate. So you gotta be able to assess that. But that itself would be a human resources violation to come up to somebody aggressively on their music and try to fight them. You're trying to put the lens of corporate America into the NFL locker room. It doesn't matter what HR says.

Yeah, I mean, and also you don't come maybe with that aggression out the gate, but you gotta know that's where it's going. In an NFL locker room, you know every single thing can and will escalate to that Let's go ahead and actually Tease out that hypothetical because I do imagine NFL teams do have human resources So take me through like the D tackle going to human resources to complain about the edge rusher playing the music too loud To go to take to go take that to whoever it is is representing HR,

the head of HR, would there even, is there human resources in the locker room? Is that, can that be available to somebody to complain about one of the other 52 guys? No, I don't think that that's a thing. I think anytime you even got any even like residue from something similar is like the Richie Incognito situation with the guy that said he was being bullied.

Jonathan Martin. Yeah, Jonathan Martin. And I think like that played out. That all started with music? I don't think it started with music. I think it was like, where do you go when you're getting picked? Like an NFL locker room, it is like where do you go when you're getting picked like an NFL locker room it is straight up you gotta handle it I don't

want to make the like equivalent to prison but it kind of is that mentality where these are the toughest people in the country like you have to be tough to play this sport doesn't mean you're the toughest guy but if you don't feel like you can go to somebody and really be like yo I think your music is you don't feel like you can go to somebody and really be like, yo, I think your music is like, don't turn it off or Hey, will you turn that off? No, I'm not turning it off All right. So what's next? Are you gonna be okay with that or are you gonna say well turn it off? We got an issue. Well, none of this solves our particular dilemma No, but you asked me how it's handled in the locker room

So what do I do here about the fact that this morning at 8 a.m. satanic music was being played? I didn't ask anybody what their thoughts on it was. I didn't know it was satanic music until it was pointed out to me. But put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is, no, is playing satanic music at the office an HR violation, yes or no, at Levitard Show? Mike, do you wish to clue us in

or was it yesterday's information about the satanic concert that you're going to? I mean, it's not always Satanic music. That's a recent binge I've been on. But it is part of my creative process. It has been for 20 years. I used to play CDs at the old 790 studios. I don't like it.

You used to play music in the old Clevelander studios. That's how I ramped myself up for my particular line of work, which is creative. And sometimes it's good vibes. Sometimes it doesn't necessarily mesh with the room. But it is what it is for 20 years. And that's what it's going to be. You know what?

If you're going to be at the mercy of the vibes of Mike every morning, which every morning I've been in here, Mike plays music. This is the first I'm hearing about an HR violation. It's pretty eclectic. You know? And it's across the board. You can't then all of a sudden I don't like this particular music now. We go to HR Oh religious So he's got freedom of religious beliefs with his satanic music because he was wandering around here the other day asking whether or not Someone can be not a Satan worshiper while enjoying satanic music

Yeah, I know people are listening the gospel that aren't Christians. Mm-hmm. You know, it's good vibes, and if you like good vibes, get it. If you like bad vibes, Mike's gonna get it. Now, I'm not a fan of satanic music. No. For sure. That's all right. It's not for everybody. And I'm not here...

It wasn't for me until the second one. I'm not here frequently enough to give Mike the locker room treatment of, hey, I don't want to listen to that every morning turn it off and then Mike says I ain't turning nothing off and then I say you won't turn that music off or you gonna be hearing ringing in your damn ears by the time I this is this is how the locker room handles it so if you got an issue I think you go locker room how often would you escalate to that point in an NFL locker room how often it's only happened a couple of times but it did happen oh there's no way you that point in an NFL locker room? How often would you? It's only happened a couple of times.

But it did happen to you a couple of times? There's no way you could play in the NFL for a long period of time, and you not get to the point where you wanna fight. It's just, it's a part of it. Like, getting to it with coaches. Typically with me, it would only rear its head if it got in the way of me doing my job, right?

So if I am studying for plays and I got a rookie who's like playing music loud in camp and I got a roommate or something and it's like, okay, now it's worth it because either if I go and I mess up tomorrow and I get cut, I'm gonna be mad that I didn't fight you for turning this music off because I didn't learn my plays. So like if it gets in the way of the money,

then yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. Can you actually take me through what you imagine would happen in the hypothetical I'm proposing, which is the defensive tackle goes and asks to file a human resources complaint against the edge rusher. What's happening next in that locker room once people find that out? Once people find out that it's not being handled in the locker room, by the locker room, that now corporate America has made its way into the huddle and we have a

human resources problem because you have to keep in mind, I'm going to go ahead and say that every NFL team probably has a pretty expansive human resources arm for all their other employees because of all of the people being employed by the average NFL team, but I'm guessing the players are never using that option. And if I wander around the locker room and ask, do you guys know who Human Resources is here?

Do you guys know who to go complain to if you have some sort of violation or workplace violation that you do not like? I'm picturing an email. I'm not appreciating the vibe of the music. Can you please don't stop? This is a ridiculous hypothetical. Like it's, the Human Resources are, is the head coach.

That's who the human resource department is, and that only gets escalated if- Human resources are right here. Here's H and here's R. Right here. Exactly, right hand is what, it's our H department. So I don't think that that's even a thing. Listen, we shower in a room

40 people at once together That's a human resource violation. These are point. I hate it So I'm like don't give corporate like equivalencies to places where everyone is just cool with it like oh, yeah, these are millionaires some of them worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And where do they shower? A foot away from the next person, and they use the same soap. That's ridiculous. That's gotta be an HR issue.

It doesn't make any sense. You know, like, separate the showers. Give the common decency, otherwise it's like, okay, this is the environment that we're fostering here, so we can't expect to have a real HR department for NFL football players. You can't have an HR department when Greg Williams is telling you to take off the head of the snake.

Cut off the head of the snake! All right, boys, we're gonna talk about- That would be a great study. How many HR violations actually happen on a day-to-day basis in NFL locker rooms and meeting rooms? How is it possible that Andrew Hawkins is sitting here with all of the words at his disposal in all of the language that's at his disposal

and you say the phrase, I don't wanna compare it to a prison while comparing it to a prison twice? I mean. The same soap? I could. The showers. Tell me it's body gel. It's just like it's I'm it's the if there's no other thing that I can compare it to because Everything is just handled in itself and nobody on the outside cares

That's the point like you don't actually care about the how someone is being treated at prison No one ever talks about it. You know like there there's a lot of shit going on in there. It's not as bad as prison, trust me, I understand that. That's why I don't wanna compare it. Yeah, you have luffas. But there's like a couple of things that it's like in the sense that, yeah, that's not normal.

Wait, do you have luffas? 40 people having to shower together is not normal. And any other, if I told you that was happening at the heat arena, like for like the people working in the front office, you'd be like, whoa, wait a minute, man, that's somebody should do something about this. Quick question, is it BYOL or do they have community loofahs

or is it a non-loofah bathroom? I think it's cultural. I think like some places have wash cloths for the black players because statistically, the white guys don't use wash cloths. It's not their thing. Some people have their own luffas. Even the body product people use, black men shave different than white men.

And that's been an innovation in locker rooms. What do you mean, against the grain? What are we talking about? You use straight razors. A lot of black men don't use straight razors. We use clippers. And so it was like a conversation that we've had in locker rooms with teams to say,

hey, you're giving us these bicks. We don't use bicks to shave. That's not how our people do it because we get razor bumps because our hair is a little more coarse, you know? And it grows and curls. Racially biased? The razors were racially biased? Yeah, they were.

Chris and I use the Clippers. I'm blacker than I thought. There you go. It's the red in you. Well, I've heard that that's a thing in recent conversation. So yeah. It's a... In recent conversation?

Let's be clear on the claim that he's making. You've heard that redheads, redheads are black. There was like a, it was a trending thing. He is a good dancer. Makes sense. A lot going on, look, see? See, do a salsa dance, that's something. It's funny that you should mention that

because I didn't know whether to point out the other day, this delighted me. Frankie, our security guy, I was delighted to go through the gym, see him on the treadmill, and he was doing salsa on the treadmill. Instead of walking or running, he was just, he was doing,

he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing,

he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing, exercise look happier than I imagined it. I like that. So Hawkins came in today and

he was excited to talk about what we spent too much time talking about yesterday which is that Florida Panthers enforcer who beat up a guy on the golf course and I was thinking about on the way home how bad your odds have to be in terms of being the drunk guy who's holding up people behind you and find that the people behind you have an NH NHL enforcer in their group what were your thoughts here on this video? Ah man it was this is the most satisfying video I think I've watched all year you know and I cuz I'm like had no context for it and the dude is like he's peacocking and I'm

thinking like oh okay I like that tactic. Scare him into not, like this guy might be crazy. He might walk off, but then he attacks. And I'm like, whoa, that was a, he must be a really good fighter. He must really trust himself with the fisticuffs. And the result couldn't have been more opposite. And every bang that he said and every punch that he threw

made the video that much more satisfying. To throw? That toss at the end. The throwing him in a pond and then the toss at the end? I mean, that's peak cinema right there, bro. I mean, he went, the drunk guy who got thrown went home and had streak marks on his side from how far he had gone on the ground

after being thrown. Just coming back a second though, I do want to just one time go back and check out his friend. Check out the friend. It's great job by the video department here. Frame by frame. He's like three feet off the ground there. He looks like Don Bailey in the carpet right now.

That is whiplash, headache. Great job. His shoulder is separated. He bounced. Oh, he bounced. He bounced off the ground, bro. Get the bounce. Get the moment he bounces off the ground.

There it is. Yes. Like, if you even get it back to where he pulls him and he kind of does like a kick step to like gain the momentum like a shot putter, like that is not his first time.