The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

Today's cast: Dan, Andrew Hawkins, Chris, Jessica, Mike, and Tony. If last night was a "who's who" game, can the loser still be a who? We kick off today's show by discussing Man Campbell's Detroit Lions taking down the Green Bay Packers on Thursday Night Football. Are the Lions so good that they can win out on their way to the Super Bowl without any hiccups? Hawk and Mike compete over Penei Sewell hot takes, but Jessica says one of them is late to the party. Then, Dan wonders if any athlete can ever really exceed the expectations we set for them on Day 1 of their professional careers. Plus, blactose intolerance, sneaking a cheese grater into a stadium, the difference between a brothel and a hostel, and Matt LaFleur's right to confront an obnoxious fan on the field. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network. I'm glad that we have Andrew Hawkins in with us today because I'm more confused, Tony, today than I was yesterday because you told me that last night was a who's who game and I think the losers a who and I don't think the loser can be a who I Think the loser always is Left off of who you can only be a who in a who's who's game if you win the who yeah The thing is even if Detroit lost we know they're a who so Packers losing Actually gets me a little bit closer to who than it does going away from who and everybody was back here

It's like what are they talking? I was like I get Dan I know what he's trying to say the Packers the reason why Mike it was a who's who game right so I wanted to see The Packers come out be that who we know that we know the the Lions are who we need the Packers to see if they that who. We know the Lions are who. We need the Packers to see if they're who. Now, in that game, we saw the Packers do some stuff to the Lions that other teams haven't been able to do. Yes, they lost, but still part of the who category. All right, Dr. Seuss. What the hell are we talking about?

Who's who game? Hawk, you know that. A who's who game? Yeah, who's who game. Meaning like? We're going to figure out who's who. We're going to figure out who's who. Exactly. What do you mean meaning like? You don't know what a who's who game yeah, who's who game meaning like we're gonna figure out who's who we're gonna figure out who's exactly meaning like What do you you don't know what a who's who game? What kind of professional athlete are you? What do you mean? You know that we don't talk in who's who we find out last night

There was a gameplay between we the teams we think are good. We're sure about one of them. So who's him? Stop with the pronouns. There's no hems or hers here. It's just who's so there were some hems out there Yeah, he was him Gibbs was him jerk off Dan Campbell is him He is L Well dub He's a him you guys don't understand when I'm asking you Mike and Jessica seemed confused Tony said it was a who's who game Which means if Green Bay goes to Detroit and beats Detroit clearly there a who but they didn't beat Detroit

They lost to Detroit. No again the more I see Detroit the more I think that team desperately needs a loss There's a bad game to win. They need a lot. They need a level set. Yeah, just to kind of you know bring them down earth Look, is this team just gonna lose one game all season? They need a little wake-up call. Yeah. They need the wake-up call. Been there. Humble. I was humbled a couple times in my career. Well, you played for the Browns. Yeah, like 16 games in a season. Like just every week where I just, by Wednesday, I'd be like, you know what? I think I'm who? By Sunday, it was right back to reality. That team set a record for wake-up calls in a season. where I'd just, by Wednesday I'd be like, you know what, I think I'm who. By Sunday it was right back to reality. That team set a record for wake up calls in the season.

They were like, who? Who? Why? Cleveland's basically just Whoville. It is, we are Whoville for sure, bunch of Grinch's. Oh, yeah, no, I think, are we saying the Packers aren't good, is that? No, they're good.

They're like good, I'm not being good. They're who, they're who, they're good. They're like good You can know Dan They covered and they covered and great teams If you're a Packers fan you leave that game like oh we got a chance because the Lions Have been the best team in the NFL for the entirety of the season So when you go in that game and you go down early and it doesn't go the way that you want it And still you didn't play your best game Jordan love had some throws. He was off balance He started to show some of that yo, bro

You can't take that kind of risk in this situation at times and they still battled Josh Jacobs the whole squad You got a chance This is the done laboratoryBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Is there any particular reason, Mike Ryan, that you just hit the breaking news sound

in my own private headset and then started reading off news to just me and not the audience? Is there any reason that you did that interrupting my train of thought before we started the show? Well, I didn't tell the audience because we weren't on the air, but I'll tell the audience right now as reported by the Bill Simmons podcast, Jesse the body Ventura is returning to the WWE announced table to call Saturday night's main event on NBC. This is a lot of people's childhood having Jesse the body Ventura on NBC calling Saturday night's main event thought once unthinkable, Jesse Ventura is back. Speaking of unthinkable, the way he delivered that news

in my headset was to say Jesse Ventura confirms. I'm like, what did Trump do now? Yeah, I thought it was the cabinet. I was like, let's see what the body's gonna do. In the last oral history episode, we did a super cut and our interview with Jesse Ventura was included. Not that shocking anymore. His conspiracy theory wasn't really a conspiracy theory.

It was that the Saudis funded 9-11, but we felt the need to push back. Whoa, you can't. And then like a couple of years later, that doesn't look too kooky. Credit to this country for looking like a lot crazier since that interview happened. I am thankful that Andrew Hawkins is here today again after another magical Thursday night game. I don't know if I'm over sharing here, Hawk, so you tell me because you're a businessman now and we were leaving the other day and I was lamenting as we were leaving. I'm like, I don't know how to lead. I don't know. I don't know how to lead. And your response is

some form of, ah, nobody does. That's a fact. Well, you say that's a fact, but'd don't know how to lead and your response is some form of at nobody does that's it that's a fact we say that the fact that i don't think that when we watched in campbell right now i've heard the river is that one of the analyze this with you is because i'd really and fascinated because i know all of the history here not just lions are laughing stock eternally there their fans are going to be nuts about this team

because it's so rare for them to have expectations and the man who leads them was a fool in Miami. Like we made fun of Man Campbell so much. Yeah, that's a youth thing. He was the interim head coach. That was a youth thing. You're always like, ah, these Hoorah leaders, that's not a real thing.

And the Dolphins were bad at the leaders, that's not a real thing. And the Dolphins were bad at the time, it was a no-win position. You ended up being wrong, you could capitulate. A real leader of men is like Jesse Ventura because he actually got blackballed from the WWE because he tried to start a union. And Vince McMahon was like, you're not doing that. But then he became governor and he realized he could make more money, so he brought him in a referee summer slam in New York. You remember that one I believe it was

Undertaker Stone Cold Steve Austin. It was a who's who match. Yeah. So now he's back and it's great. I'm so happy. How's that union coming? It still hasn't happened yet. Okay just wanted to double check back in on that. And then they partnered up with the company that owns the UFC and they're like we are gonna be so good at not allowing unions It's like you talking about doubling down on no unions Jessica. You look sad Is it because Mike Ryan and Jesse Ventura and the WWE seem to be against unions? You're pro-union. I'm pro-union Are you pro-union Hawk? I I was in a union the players Association I was a union rep a lot of pro-union people here down. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sad because I didn't get a lot of sleep last night

I went to the opening of Jimmy Butler's new coffee brick and mortar and the design district the espresso martinis were Flowing Wow, so I'm easing into my morning today traffic a lot of bad traffic was terrible to get there and back Yeah, it must have bad traffic, was terrible to get there and back. Yeah, it must have been terrible, right? I got stuck behind a fire truck and neither of us could move yesterday. And he's like asking me to move with his siren. I'm like, I can't move, I'm trying to move.

That's a lot of fun, to spend 40 minutes with just a fire truck behind you, just making siren sounds. That can't get to a fire and you're just like, what do you want me to do? Sorry. We were just stuck in traffic. What do you do if you're just like, what do you want me to do? Sorry. We're just stuck in traffic. What do you do if you're a fire truck

and none of the traffic is moving? You gotta at least veer a little to the right. No. Show that you're making an effort here. Sorry, you see me. You see me. Dan versus the fire truck. My bumper's up against the side of the wall here.

I can't go any further. So what happens? Does the fire, does they get out of the fire truck? People die. You get out and you're like, how can I help? With a light going? You get out of your car, you gotta be helpful gotta it wasn't an emergency situation though, right? It was not it was yes That's those are when the fire truck is hitting the sirens. That's I mean You get out and you be like I'll go check and you just like run away from your car

Just to make it look like you're helping we can switch cars He never take mine turned off the siren like it was to alert me that it's an emergency and he was just stopped I've never seen it before it's not something I don't know if like what do you do if the tree because it's a two-lane highway it was a two-lane street and nobody could move off to the sides and it was just there was just nothing moving and And I'm legitimately asking you I'm sitting in traffic trying to figure out. I've never seen this scenario before I can't move He can't move, he can't move. I'm in the way of somebody who needs

desperate emergency help and this fire truck cannot move. There was a lot of people that day that saw things they didn't expect to see, apparently because this fire truck was stuck in traffic. I've never been in a spot where I couldn't move a little bit, that would be, I would just, I would in that point get out of my car. How can I help?

I can't move, how can I help? Now you're just somebody standing in traffic not helping. I take like two cups of water and I just start running forward for my car. Like, oh. You said this was yesterday, Dan? I Googled it. It doesn't look like there were any fires yesterday.

If this was two days ago, though, ooh. No, it was yesterday. It was yesterday, it was right here under the bridge, under here. Could have been a rescue. Not all fire engines are responding to a fire. Probably a cat in a tree. Or it's ducks, honestly. My brother-in-law is a firefighter and I make

Fun of him all the time for like what he's going to get a cat avatars like no it's a duck in the the drains Do well that's leadership So what a hero? Let's get back. Thank you for bringing me back here. Did hawks say no one's a good leader We're in chewing the Patriots camp for a little bit. I was, I was. And I'm like, there's no leadership here. Really? You had Tom Brady and Bill McChesney. It's why I retired.

I couldn't find the leadership in New England. Dan, does that make you feel better? Well, I want to explore this with him because Dan Campbell might stop me on the idea whether Man Campbell was a fool here or not. He was a lovable caveman. We certainly didn't think that we'd be looking up in a few years and hey, Belichick can't a job has to try in college but you know the best

coaching the nfl is it man campbell cuz he's not afraid of anybody he's going for on for doubt and i want to talk to hawk about the idea i'm gonna say the illusion of leadership because what's happened here is this a great team and the coaching is important offensive coordinators great and this guy's passion is also great but it'll get called leadership now whether it is leadership or not because there they've lost one game so you tell me how what you do with dan campbell after the game here

dot I told you, you'll never forget this game. You will never forget this game. We don't have to talk about how tough we are. We don't have to talk about how resilient we are. We live it, man. We've been living it. Where's our defense at? Offense, that's a way to step up, man. That's a way to step up.

There you go, Skip. Keep throwing up, whatever you're doing out there. You're a freaking man on the line. Guys, I am so freaking proud of you, man. That's a way to show up. You talk about pressure, we live in pressure. That's where we freaking thrive. You did it again.

You did it again. It doesn't matter who's playing for us. It doesn't matter what's going on. You always find a way to win. That's what champions do. This is not happenstance, man. This doesn't just happen. This has been in the making, man.

This has been in the making, all right? We are all supposed to be here together, man. We're destined for this. Just stay the course. That is a classic dopamine addiction is what you're looking at there. It's me every time I hang out with my high school friends at a bar.

Is it good leadership? So here's what my point is about nobody knows how to lead. The people who can get people to follow them are just being themselves. And naturally you gravitate to something that somebody is born with. So anytime that I've been around someone who is like faux trying to show leadership, I sense it.

It doesn't feel authentic. It doesn't feel like you. Dan Campbell was the right amount of dumb. That's what he that's what's special about him. Why would you go for it? They just kick the field goal and logically put your team out there who all the guys you said will step up and they they continually step up. them with 40 something seconds left but he has his gut feeling he rides with it because it's every bit of his action aligns with who he's

always shown himself to be to his team they are like okay you is this what we're doing then let's go well okay that's interesting you should say that because I sat down I had one of the great compliments of my career yesterday, like really high on the list. I got to sit down with Mike Miller and Eudonnis Haslam on their OG podcast, which I really like, and the way they talked about me sort of just caught me entirely off guard. I was really surprised and somewhere in there, they were valuing authenticity and I appreciated from them because both of them were so authentic throughout the entirety of their careers.

But one of the things that they said that I was surprised by, like, and you tell me whether this is surprising to you at all. We were talking about from 2010 through 2014, those Miami Heat teams, so much fun for us to watch. And I'm looking at them and both of them are like, yeah there was no joy there. That was four years of no joy. Like we'd win at the end and that was great, but no, like no joy because the pressure

of the expectations. That team now has those expectations. They look like they're having fun. Do you even understand what I'm saying there? Because I was stunned to hear those guys say that those four years as joyous as any we've ever had in sports they're like no the pressure was too much. It was it was too much every day. It was what was happening around us was not fun. None of it. Yeah that makes sense. I've seen that situation. I've understand that. That's what expectation does. Now I will say the Lions don't feel that way now because they're kinda at the beginning of that arc

and they're still the Lions. Even this year, for when you watch them on tape, how much better they are than other teams. I mean, they beat people down at times. They are talented at every position on both sides of the ball, even after losing probably their best player in Aiden Hutchison, but still,

there's this little tick that says the Lions, and people aren't quite opted in yet, Tony. And the other thing too is they don't really have a bona fide superstar, right? When you talk about LeBron in the 2010 and 2014, like he was the villain of the world, he was the one superstar, the scrutiny, the microscope was always on him, D Wade, Chris Bosh.

You look at the Lions, you're like, I'm gonna say LeBron's a nice story, he's a good player, but like he's not a bona fide superstar. You got Jared Goff, who was a on him, D Wade, Chris Bosh. You look at the Lions, you're like, I'm on Ross St. Brown's a nice story, he's a good player, but like, he's not a bona fide superstar. You got Jared Goff, who was a cast out, went to the Super Bowl, ended up getting traded. They won a Super Bowl, like, Aiden Hutchins is probably one of their biggest stars, but like, outside of that, like, who do they have? Dan Campbell, he's the superstar.

There you go, Skip, keep throwing up, whatever you're doing out there. The coach is a star. That's an all time lie. As a recovering former Browns fan, they need a loss thing is a star. As an all-time line. As a recovering former Browns fan, they need a loss thing is a legit thing. I hate how good the vibes are right now. The Bears tried to give them one.

The Bears, and then they just were the Bears. Now, I know you have to hurt. It's a little different in the NFL. In the NBA, you definitely have to have pain. And this franchise did have pain last year, the Brandon IU catch and the NFC title game. but I don't know if there's just like a, there's just something that goes over this franchise and that sports town that I just, back in my mind, I'm like, this isn't going to work out.

There's going to be some heartbreak. I'm, I'm fully hoping that the super bowl is Buffalo versus Detroit. Cause both those teams have that. So at least one of those teams can shed it But the Detroit Lions bro are so good Mike I get what you're saying And I I've seen that in teams where it's like you're I would say that's more about the Chiefs more than anything I think they're being tricked into thinking that they're the same Chiefs team that they've been in years past and they keep like getting lucky in the waning moments of games. But Detroit, I am like, they are good bro. And it's not just talent wise. When you watch the way

that they each position plays from the receiver to Peney Sool. Peney Sool has a highlight tape that I would watch. He is so good. He's an offensive lineman. And when you see him change direction, block multiple people on single plays Like they are special and I think like their expectation is Super Bowl. I have a hot take give me a hot pen a soul You should be talked about in the MVP conversation. Okay, you're drunk. That's not no no no no no He's the first player so far in NFL history to not concede a sack but get sacked Just because of the play call that they had on Thanksgiving where they called a Panaisoel pass,

I was like, that guy should be in the MVP conversation. Lane Johnson would get so upset if that happened. Lane Johnson been doing this for years, he's like never given up a sack, and he's like, this guy's been here two years, he gets an MVP? It's an award that is specifically designed for offensive players in a kicker one random time.

But I think that if you look at their team and you say that they don't have a superstar, the guy that's best at his job on that team, and they have plenty of good ones, especially now that Hutchinson's out, it's very clear who the best player on that team is. At his job, it's Penne Sul. I'll give you another hot take.

The Bengals should have drafted Penne Sul over Jamar Chase even still today. Wow. That's not a hot take. That's not a hot take. That's not a hot take. Jamar Chase is the best receiver. NFL hipsters have been saying this for years. I think there's a lot of agreement about this.

People were dunking on me on Twitter for saying Pene Sul was the pick. Yours is a tired, recycled take stolen from other people who are way ahead of you on something that's me. That's not what I was, Dan, don't pit us against each other. We were shocked. We were all shocked here at the suggestion suggestion the suggestion that an offensive lineman would be better than a wide receiver put on the pole at LeBittard show juju

because I've got some questions based on what it is you guys just said at LeBittard show can an offensive lineman ever win the MVP at LeBittard show Mike Ryan just mentioned and this is this in retrospect, I can't believe that you just skipped over this, because I wanna place it in front of you again, we just skipped right past it. I want you all to imagine the MVP award being announced this year, and a kicker

being named the MVP, the way Mark Mosley was. I want you to try and imagine that a kicker would ever be named the MVP of football. There were a couple years ago where I would have argued Justin Tucker deserves at least some consideration because their entire identity was like, all right, Justin, win this one for us. The thing that I wanted to ask Andrew though

about what Tony was saying, because you say Sewell is the Lions best player and he says St. Brown's not a star, and he he's not a star but the production is that of a star like a star on a winning team gets to the you cannot argue I ask you as a wide receiver what that person does as a number one receiver for that team seems pretty unstoppable to me he's an incredible player but I feel like star isn't always directly tied to your stats or what you mean to your football team.

And we have this like issue in professional football and professional sports in general that the way we're introduced to you is how we'll kind of always see you. You are who you are. He's not a first round pick. He's not a six four, you know, 210 pound, four three runner from the University of Alabama. So always he's gonna a 6-4 you know 210 pound 4-3 runner from the from the

University of Alabama so always he's going to be a blue-collar lunch pail you know you've overachieved type of player and because of that it's going to be hard for him to reach star status. Okay so let's examine one of the things that he's saying here and bring it over to basketball when he talks about first round picks because I was thinking about this and what plagues the miami heat as they chase the boston celtics here it wasn't that long ago in the bubble at the rim

bam blocking jason tatum that those two franchises were even at that point they were the same and the difference was bam blocking Tatum at the rim. Since then architecturally the Celtics have made a change with poor Zengis But what you have happening right now with the Heat is and this is why Pat Riley hasn't blown it up He keeps asking Tyler Hero Bam and Jimmy Butler to be the three all-stars That it looks like Boston has our all-stars better than three all-stars that it looks like boston has are are all-stars better than their all-stars

and then what i start doing is first-round picks wall their all-stars their ceiling is higher than where heroes and bams andy and jimmy butler's were when the measurements were being made tatum and jaylen brown and porzingis they're the top of the top jimmy butler tyler hero bam will make the most with what we've got.

And then what happens is the separation between those two teams because your number ones can't get to the ceiling of their number ones. And then you fall behind forever because their guys are young. Like that, and so I wonder, can the analysis be that on in basketball that Jimmy Butler, what Jimmy Butler's ceiling is, what Tyler Harris' ceiling is, what Bam's ceiling is, is what their draft status says it is. But what Tatum's and Brown's and Porzingis' is,

that's a different stratosphere of what the talent tells you it's valued at in that sport. It just usually doesn't grow quite that symmetrically where you saw the two teams were even, and you're like, now, no, they're not. No not no they're not even I think they would have been fine had they made another acquisition though they were in the game for Damien Lillard they failed now that might not have worked out but I think you're selling Boston short when you just put it on on those guys they got rid of Marcus Smart

too they bring in Derek White they made a bunch of acquisitions around that core three because that core three was faced with what Miami is pretty much faced with now, which is your core three isn't good enough. So they tried desperately to get a more representative sample just to see if that high end expectation could be there. And they succeeded where Miami has failed in recent years in acquiring that talent. cheese, the game is 100% free to play with a chance of winning real cash. Be sure to carefully select your favorite Cheez-It flavor to snack on. White cheddar, extra toasty, or maybe you're an OG fan, while you select your weekly players for college football's cheesiest challenge all season long. So snack and play like a champ with Cheez-It. Agent eligibility restrictions apply,

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the age of social media around athletes and people who are in the middle of the spectacle that uh... you wouldn't behave that way in other settings this season of great lions expectations has a fan on the field before the game trash talking with matt leflore because this fan feels comfortable enough to approach the coach and in general the packers and say a bunch of things that it is on the wise for him to be saying in a branch jersey is that who is that the fan that bearded guy there that's just on the field.

Did we get any information as to why he was on the field? I think it's Matt Patricia. I was just gonna make that joke. But I think we're confirming. Internet doxing resources are all tied up right now. We're focusing on what happened in New York City. We'll find out this guy later. When you were talking about a fan

doing something inappropriate, I thought you meant the guy just wasting cheese'll find out this guy later. When you were talking about a fan doing something inappropriate, I thought you meant the guy just wasting cheese behind you throughout this whole show. What a waste, that's a nice brick of cheddar. We don't know if it's a waste because we're only seeing him from the chest up. Maybe he's got a plate of nachos down there and he's grating the cheese on top of the nachos.

He's grating cheese onto the ground or onto the fan in front of him or onto the field. That is a disgusting waste of cheese. Shame on you. If I may, I wasn't allowed into Horace. I'm gonna put it out there. What? Cheese is overrated.

Now you're just doing a thing. You're just trying to do a thing. Let me give a hot tip here. You get out. That's not a hot tip. Get out. I am black and you know. Hold me back.

Most black people become lactose intolerant when they reach like 23. Did you guys not know this? No. This is the thing. Let me, let me, let me. Everyone's lactose intolerant. Two Americas. 23 did you guys not know this no? Three America's four America's I don't know how many America's it is Tony I'm just telling you that one of my elders would always tell me like man boy you like that milk you love that cheese I'm like yes great scream. They're like when you get in your 20s. You're not gonna be able to handle it and lo and behold It's me and all my friends

We're black and and for the majority of a lot of black people, you just become lactose and it's not worth it after a while. Which has taught me that cheese is overrated. Perhaps mixing a white friend? Yeah, nah, nah. You're good? I'm good, we're pretty stacked in here.

This guy's like first row, is he doing it onto the field? Where is that cheese going? Look, they wouldn't allow me in a Hard Rock Stadium with a Zinn. How did this guy get a cheese grater in? You think this guy brings more than one block? He's like I need one for pregame, I need one you know. Every time a camera comes around he's just none of you will be surprised by this. I used to eat cheese just like that, government cheese just like that. I would just take slices off it in front of the television. I am disgusted by myself as I say this,

but cheese is overrated, is as shocking a thing as has ever been said on this show. I think properly rated is fine. I think it's spot on. I think it's one of my best takes behind my original take of Penne Soule over Jamar Chase that everyone knows originated with me. Answer the question about nachos first.

Do you not eat nachos? Do you not eat pizza? I do eat pizza. I eat it. It's overrated. It's like 80% cheese? I didn't say I'm like boycotting cheese. If you go to an Italian restaurant,

and they give you your dish, and they go, I'm going to do cheese now. Say when? You're just like, no thanks? I say no. Really? Yeah. That is great.

That is great. They serve me the pasta. Cheese, absolutely like no, thanks. I say no really yeah Serve me the pasta cheese absolutely not please leave I make them look at me three times like are you gonna say when and I'm just like make a grade the cheese and Give us straight eye contact. How long do you have them going Chris? They look and they're like this is it Maybe that's what this Lions fan was just doing should have said when by now Well the never-ending possible is back. Ah. It is? Yeah. He's just grating cheese on top of a Packers player. Hey, I don't think that guy should have been on the field,

number one. And this is what I hate about the fandom, to your point, Dan. I don't like, it irks me whenever fans are in spaces of people who are working and with the expectation that we have to do the you know the show and pony dance and that that's That upsets me so in a pregame if you've ever been around me in a pregame. I'm a lunatic not conducive for fandom I don't know internet has found this person by the way Because you were talking about New York as well The cheese guy. Yeah, I was gonna say, what? Which guy? The cheese guy, the cheese guy. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

because you were talking about New York as well. Yeah, no, no, no, no, that guy got away with it. So the cheese guy, though, we found him. Although he's got a very political name, so I'm not gonna go with it. Block of Cheese was in a clear bag. Hang Grater was in my jacket arm. I don't like to sweat, so I took off the jacket

as I entered, had the Grater stuffed in my arm. They asked me to shake my jacket while it was in there. That's how he snuck it in. And you couldn't sneak in a zen? I'm saddened by that. They were like, it's tobacco. I'm like, it's not tobacco! That's the whole point!

I will say that a cheese grater, you can do some real damage with a weapon as a cheese grater, as a weapon. What are you going to do with a cheese grater? I watched, are you kidding? You never watched DCW in the 90s. Let me tell you something. You can grate my face. Yeah. Damage with a cheese grater? I watched, are you kidding? You never watched ECW in the 90s. Let me tell you something. You could grate my face.

Yeah. Damage with a cheese grater. Just ask Abdullah the Butcher what that could do. You guys don't think that if I tried to, if we were in a fight and I had a cheese grater, you don't think I've got a weapon that's advantageous to hurt you? You have to like,

I do absolutely do. If I'm laying down and just like grate me, like I'm not gonna like, No, this is a show. I'm gonna just give you my grate me like I'm not gonna like Cody this is ridiculous No, you get graded you never you haven't watched the new evil dead there's a whole scene with a cheese grater skin everywhere, bro Gross can we get an update on New York City, please? A lot of people were live and a lot of people are curious about...

We have a picture of his face and yet the internet still hasn't figured out who this person is, but we only have an image of this person's face because of Riz. He checked in at a hostel and he apparently, this is according to Kaitlin Collins, was flirting with a person maining the front desk. Hold on. I've got to tell people that a healthcare CEO was assassinated in the street and there wasn't very much evidence of who it is that had done it. And now people are on the search for a face they do have because it's not every day you

have video footage of anyone just assassinated in the street or a healthcare CEO because this isn't even about a murder in the street. This is about the healthcare crisis and who we can turn to a symbol in these times that also has a murder element to it as people are downloading podcasts about murder by the billions. Yeah, we haven't had something like this either,

where the internet's loose, have one huge common goal. But we only have this image, according to Caitlin Collins, because when he went to check in at this hostel, there was an alleged flirtation, and the person that was working the desk said, hey, lower your mask a little bit, and then he cheesed for the cameras a little bit. And now it appears he might be calling,

might be appearing on College Game Day on Saturday to pick some games, because that looks just like Timothee Chalamet. Oh, he's handsome Yeah, he has a good I was thinking when they showed the picture I'm like is that inappropriate to say the guy has a nice smile. It's a flirty smile, too. It's not just That's very like hey, yeah, thanks. I will lower my mask actually this does look like dune to flexing He's like yeah, like you don't know how good-looking I am do you?

He's flexing. He's like, yeah, like you don't know how good looking I am. Do you? The internet is trying to chase down this person and we still don't know who it is that this person is you would think that with Just that information many people would already have come forth and we'd have a name and all manner of information Yeah, I mean is it inappropriate to say that he appears like he has Riz probably, but has anyone, has everyone on the internet already said it? Yes. That was sort of the react. I think you're good. Okay. All right. So as long as I'm not the first here, unlike my Peney Sewell take, but also is it Riz if you're at a hostel? It's Riz everywhere. I don't think it is.

It's Riz everywhere baby. I don't think it's Riz if you're literally there to feel like you have Riziz if you have to pay for it. It's not Riz. I'm a little are you are you confusing? Hostile and brothel yeah, probably okay, okay? Well, that's that's just rich guy problems good call it. No cuz I heard what you were saying then I was like wait a second Yeah, I did you know what I? Appreciate your honesty and look if you there's a lot of stuff going on right here, and you're rich you thought the same thing That is I'm gonna tell you guys what is like what I thought maybe he was trying to get the edge off He's had a big day ahead of him. He's like mistakes like that. Don't be tolerated from that seat. Just saying

I'm getting started to not tolerate them, but you need to allow me to explain what I believe just happened here because I Am giving Andrew Hawkins a wide berth at one point he said something like a pony and show show or something that wasn't a dog and pony dog and pony show yeah and and i and i gave him a wide berth because he's gotten off first of all what i am used to from that seat panacea will over jamar chase as a hot take and she's is over a long time so he's given me two things that i mean from the seat and she's overrated makes me think that he wants dominic foxworth job on get up now because he's getting

good at this game when you go to cheese is overrated andrew hawkins has learned some things about the media business that he's had to learn over the last few years and now he's just looking to get aggregated on behalf of black people I might add on like because he's speaking for for the other America that's not being represented by this cheese soaked show all right let's let's every black person speaks for black people that's number one that's not like that's not a shtick that is like the two Americas is obviously true you guys know that you've heard it 1, times, but honestly that is the sentiment of me and cheese. These aren't hot takes, this is just who I am,

and a lot of people I feel like would back me up. Black toast intolerant. Black toast intolerant, thank you. That's the first time you've heard that. I have not heard black toast intolerant before. I must admit, that is the first time I've ever heard that expression. As well as the Panay Soul admit, that is the first time I've ever heard that expression. As well as the Panaceo take.

That's the first time I'd heard that, but that was old news to Jessica. Jessica's way out in front of all of us on football, she's like been gobbling up hard knocks. Like, she can't get enough hard knocks. Only because I very recently was on Dominique's podcast and that exact take came up like a week ago. So it was fresh on my mind.

But he's right about gobbling up hard knocks. Sorry, I can't say that with a straight face. I have been doing that. When you talk about leadership Hawk, I know you haven't seen the episode yet, but Tomlin, he kind of stands out. And that group of four head coaches, I mean, Harbaugh's up there for sure.

But if you're giving me Stefanski and Zach Taylor and Tomlin and I'm hearing them all speak to the team before games, I'm like, oh man there is a big difference here in leadership. Top coach I've ever wanted to play for is Mike Tomlin. And every player that's played for him says the same thing you want to play for him. No matter who they played for, the Patriots, obviously the Browns, but you name it, Mike Tomlin is number one. That does not surprise me. He has to like cheese. No way he eats cheese.

No way Mike Tomlin can eat cheese. Put it on the poll, please. Is Mike Tomlin black toast intolerant? Yes. Can you tell me though, walk me through, leadership is overrated. Nobody knows how to lead. Mike Tomlin is a better leader than everybody else.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. See, now we're changing takes. I never said leadership is overrated. Forgive me. That was cheese. Forgive me, that was cheese. Cheese was overrated. You know what? No one knows how to lead.

My bad, I was so disoriented by the cheese is overrated thing that I'm like, this guy thinks everything's overrated. Like, so that's my fault. That's can't overrated like yeah that's my fault that's can't impress the man that's my so yes you did not say that leadership was overrated but you did say that nobody knows how to lead but Mike Tomlin 18 straight winning seasons would suggest that there's something he knows yeah he knows I mean it's he's a leader just naturally of who he is. Like there are other people like, you've been in situations, you've been in companies,

you've been a part of teams, you've been a part of, you know, whatever that is where people take lead. And it does not matter how many self-help books they've read or who they've studied or whatever leadership style they think they picked, they are just not good at leading. And so what I'm saying is I just feel like that is something naturally that you have an ability to do based on you being really comfortable in your person and doing what you do and

people just grab okay so authentic in terms of authenticity we've seen some fascinating things in football I think over the last few years in coaching Belichick's interviewing for the Northolina job over here he's been run out of school out of the sport yes crazy by by the law floors in the babies of the world to come in and i've got scheme for you now it's the floor against ben johnson and all that stuff right but in the middle of it is man campbell

doing old football things in old football ways while man campbell looks the part he'll kick your head coaches acts all of you whoever your head coach is hill kick is as well floors in the middle of it he's one of the math guys the calculator guys and he's fighting with fans so let's get him after the game talking about this fan on the field and what will floor is saying because that was a who's who game

and the floor lost it and now i I say Campbell's the only who here. LeFleur's got to earn his who. He doesn't earn it with a loss. Yeah, I've never been a part of something like that. He was talking junk to our players, giving them the throat slash sign. And you're trying to de-escalate it, and then he gets in my face.

So I thought it was pretty unsportsmanlike. I've never seen that. I've been on many fields, and usually they police that much better. I thought it was an arrogant fan that wanted to get in part of the action. And just I would like to see security or something step in there and get him out of there because it's it's he shouldn't be doing that

Hawk help me with this part of it because I actually got lost last night in a video of bears attacking people and like real ones like Chicago no no yes no it's a it's not weird it's fascinating it's in it's grisly's brown bears like but not actually getting them just close calls where bears are interacting with others and in the video there was a drunk guy who got into a uh... an area where a bear was and a pool purposely went into an enclosed area and i'm thinking myself how drunk you have to be to do that all of which is to say you just said that

you're rabid on the field before games does that person not know how dangerous a situation that is to be doing throat slashing gestures to those people before the game when one of them will harm him if he does something much further than that because he shouldn't be on the field but That's a dangerous place for him to be. There's, he feels like because he's down there and there's cameras, there is an insurance policy that somebody will not go off and punch him in the face. Now look, they can do this cat and pony show, okay?

But at the same time, whenever you are in that environment, I am okay, if LaFleur would have just straight hauled off and slapped him. See, you're okay that and nobody helped him. I would have been like, that's the problem Dan. You should be okay with that. Don't come in the, don't go into a Bears environment and expect not to be bitten. You've always been pro punching, pro slapping in this scenario because you said it last week too. That like, hey, if you're going to come into our scenario here, you might, like a yeti, and then that happens. And it'll teach you a lesson and you won't do it anymore. When Siriana yells at fans, I hate it

because he goes into their domain. He's over into the stands where they should enjoy the game or do whatever they'd like to do. And that's bad leadership to me. I feel like, you know what? Stay where you are. Let them stay where they they are and then we can go on with this equation That we've built a pro football. We be the players and coaches Let them be the fans whenever you're on the field and that maniac mentality is kicking in yet A lot anything is liable to happen just to close the loop Tomlin was eating chili cheese Fritos on hard knocks I love those that's not real cheese though That's like fake plastic.

If he likes the fake stuff, he likes the real stuff. Those are the good ones though. Those are hard to refuse. Fritos are terrible. Fritos, what? Yeah. And they smell bad. I'm not a Frito guy either.

I'm with you on that. They smell, the smell of Fritos literally makes me sick. You don't like corn either? But it does go well with chili. I'll give it that. Yeah. It's just, Dan, the facts are the facts. What's your favorite food? Spaghetti. But it does go well with chili. I'll give it that. Yeah. Dan, the facts are the facts.

What's your favorite food? Spaghetti. But wait a second. They put cheese on spaghetti, but not you? No, they don't. No, not black people. We don't put cheese on spaghetti, bro. All right.

He's offensive to me. Easy, Dan. No, I find him offensive. Alfredo's are- He's entitled to his experiences and opinions. Thank you Jess, that means a lot. I also can't digest cheese well but it doesn't stop me. Howdy folks, it's Mike and guess what? It's Miller Time. The holiday season brings around lots of

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