The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: What Can We Blame For the Panthers Loss?

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

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This is the Don Lebatore Show with the StuGuts Podcast! I would blame you, like you did something. Everyone knows who's fault it is, right? Roy Shaved. All right, we're gonna confront him later on. Jonathan Zaslow is here. Man. Those are the first words I've heard him speak all day. He's just been sitting, our whole like, hour long pre-production meeting, Zas just sitting on the couch. You're an analyst.

I was trying to pick up vibes. We were listening to Yellow Diamonds look like pee-pee. Oh, don't they? On repeat. On repeat. On repeat, pee-pee. Not a single head bob from Zazz, which is impossible. I'm hurt, dog.

Zazz, unleash your first words on the audience. How are you feeling right now? Sick? I'm hurt, dog. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I don't know why I'm a sports fan. Why even put myself through this? This is where we are.

Why do I do this? Now I'm not sitting here trying to tell you, oh, serious loss. No, it's not. Panthers are going to the Stanley Cup. That's to be clear about that, okay. But, like it's ruined. Put on the scroll. It's ruined. Put on the crawl. Panthers are going to the Stanley Cup. I'm reporting that. But for the next 48 hours, like this, this, this, this, this is my life. Like this sucks.

And I don't know why I do this to myself. I didn't sleep last night. Game ends, I'm miserable, get right up off the couch, puck goes in the net. I can't even, I can't even frickin' believe that it slid past Bob Ropsky, what a stupid goal. Poked it, just poked it. It was a goal. So stupid.

And I got up and went upstairs, I went to bed. But I didn't sleep. You just said you didn't sleep. No, I went to bed. I didn upstairs, I went to bed. But I didn't sleep. No, I went to bed. I didn't say I went to sleep. You understand what to bed means, Israel? I just have you just staring up at the ceiling. Yeah, Israel's also going on right now. It was just a rough day for trying to get a good night's sleep.

Panthers blew a 3-0 lead. I'm sure the stats are out there, but that doesn't happen to Paul Marie's teams. It doesn't happen to the Florida Panthers. It doesn't happen in the Stanley Cup final, really. The last time something like this happened was 2006. We're so much better than them. We're so much better. Like everything you're just saying right now, up 3-1, blow the lead. Up 3-0, blow the lead. Search me over! But if you already know they're gonna win, let's just worry about yesterday.

Whose fault was it? Because at first I wanted to blame Chris Cody, because Chris Cody gave us the stat of oh, whoever scores first wins that game. It's like okay, after the first goal I was like, he better not be wrong, but then when they went up three nothing I was like, all right, that jinx is out the window, Cody's fine.

I was a little nervous, I'm not gonna lie, when I saw Taylor Swift there. I'm like, not today, Taylor, not now! Like, do it in the regular season, Taylor Swift. Don't just show up in the final. Why can't she go to a game? Because if she, if the Panthers lose, then it becomes a thing.

Yes. And now it's a thing. She can't, we can't be her second team, and then she only shows up in the final, and then they end up losing. What do you mean her second team? Well, the Kansas City Chiefs are her second team and then she only shows up in the final and then they end up Second team well the Kansas City Chiefs are her first different sport. It doesn't matter. It's her team and they won right they win They win a lot This team has already won and now she joins in in the Stanley Cup final in a home game great great for Sunrise

But then they lose and now everybody's like okay Taylor Swift is the reason they lost You're saying this like as if she's now this This Panther fan. Why can't she just attend the Stanley Cup finals game? She was wearing red. Yeah She was wearing like I know Travis Kelton they have a home down here in South for and the Chiefs are red They were I mean they live in Boca. Yes I want to go to a Stanley Cup final game. Very clearly, big time Panther fans. It was a big mistake. But if you think Taylor Swift was the curse,

then you don't follow European soccer. One of the biggest losers in the history of soccer was in the building, Harry Kane. It's his fault. He was wearing a Panther jersey. We can blame Jason Taylor too. The Dolphins have a, I think we're like 0 and. I think it's 0 and 7 now. 0 and 7 when a Dolphins player bangs the drum.

I hated that pick. I love Jason Taylor, hated that pick a Dolphins player bangs the drum. I hated that pick. I love Jason Taylor, hated that pick. Really? I liked, I mean, I was good with it. If you're going to go Dolphin, he's who you go. You're not a current Dolphin, so I was OK with it. Why? He was a Jet.

He feels like somebody they always have in the back pocket. And so this felt like, hey, let's go somewhere grand. Oh, we couldn't get anybody. Let's go get JT. I guess having a guy that turned his back on the franchise and went to a hated rival to close his career is apropos considering all the Brad Moore Sean jerseys that are in that crowd, it plays right to them.

Dominique, you are a new Panther fan, you're in our Panther hockey chat. He's also on his knees for some reason. Tony's just that tall. No, he's standing normal. Did you turn the TV off up three zero? No, so I had gone fishing with my son and I got back to them up three zero,

felt good about it, so maybe. It's his fault. Yeah. It might be your fault. It could be my fault, I was at a dance recital. Now I was watching the game. I was watching the game. Dance recitals, by the way.

Mike, get out watching the game. I was watching the game. Dance recitals, by the way. Mike, get out of the game. So I got three kids. First two, athletes. Third one, wanted to dance. We did like three months of it. Went to one recital. Game over. No more dancing.

Why is it so bad? Okay, let me tell you why. I don't have girls. I don't know. I've never been to a dance recital. Here's why it's so bad. Boys can dance too. Don't be a Joe Flacco.

There was one boy in there, and he did a number to Usher's OMG, and it was great. I never been with Dancer Cytle. Here's why it's so bad. Boys can dance too. Don't be a Joe Flacco. There was one boy in there and he did a number to Usher's OMG and it was great. It was fantastic. And that was one of the few bright spots in this program. They did Maleficent and it was kind of weird. I don't remember Usher's OMG during that tale. But my daughter is five years old.

And the younger troops, they go a little bit earlier and they had one number This is a two and a half hour show. That's the part that's annoying watching your kid fun. It was great Oh my god the seven other performances that your kid isn't in not fun seven Seven there were 22 numbers in this thing. My daughter had one number. It was the third number in the show Why couldn't you dip after that? You can't because I can't That's it. That's why we that's why we like hey you either be an athlete or you don't do nothing You better hit them books because what we not gonna do they hold your kids hostage in the back of the recital and then they Do a whole recital and then at the end they leave time so we can celebrate the instructions

Did not pay you is that not celebration enough? I need to go home. I got one upped here. So when we were doing the NBA finals watch party, I was at my niece's recital. She went third also, Mike. Did a couple little tap dances, everything was great. She any good?

Yeah, she was fine. She was helping some of the other kids. I'll tell you the number for as hard as my daughter worked on this in several months, Mike. This is the effort we put forth. No, she's not even synchronized. I can't tell as my daughter worked on this in several months. I'm like, this is the effort we put forth. This is not even synchronized. I can't tell if my daughter is on beat or off. Is she any good?

No. My niece did all right. But what I did have some issue with was this. So middle, right before intermission, older ladies come out out of nowhere, and it's all the teachers of the classes. And they start doing a number. And then the lady that owns the shop She's there like you know Bette Midler doing her thing and like screaming

We're like we're like what do you do it like it's for the kids It's a five-minute number here You did three times the amount of length of every other girl so check out the bait and switch that they gave me last Luckily I left early curtains close all right right, great. They'll come out. I get to see my daughter again. What time we at now? This is fantastic. It's 8.27.

The game is six minutes into it. I am following along on my app. Everything is fine. It's 0-0. OK? Curtains. All right, great. Hang on, everybody.

We got one special surprise. All right, cool. What is this? Hopefully it's quick. We have to honor our graduating class so eight girls go over there they each have an individual dance for their graduation and you still don't have your daughter i still don't have my daughter i have to stay in my seat and then they all say something to the instruct instructors because it's all about them

these dance recitals ain't about your kid. It's about the instructors that you pay hundreds of dollars to every month and they just get their shine and then everyone speaks, but they have to honor. This was a sentence that was uttered, I'll be brief, let me start at the beginning. That's something that happened. This girl was there for 16 years in this dance troupe and she walked me through each and every one

of those 16 years. It was terrible. By the time I got out of there, the Panthers were on that five on three power play. It was just brutal. Now I did get to watch the goal, so I don't think it's necessarily my fault because I was following the game. But I did feel some type of way by the time I got home, three unanswered goals, very bad. Actually four unanswered goals. Was there ever any consideration to telling your wife that you're like, you're out for

the recital? No. But you don't have daughters. Spoken like a guy who does not have a dance recital in his resume. Couldn't pull off a My Team Needs Me situation. No, and then you gotta do all the photos and you do the flowers.

And that part, I don't mind it if I'm around my daughter, that is worthy of my time. If there is ever a chance to miss Game Four or the Stanley Cup to honor your daughter, you're around your daughter. It's a two and a half hours that I'm not around my daughter and not allowed to grab my daughter, and I gotta do all this pomp and circumstance. I gotta be honest.

So like I became last year, I never ran track, but last year I became a track dad. And my daughter, my oldest is in her second year. Is it because you're too slow? Yeah, that's it, mostly because I was scared to embarrass myself. Okay. And so I'm in my second year of track and track meets take forever.

They're like full weekend events all day each weekend and it's hot. But you're outside, you can come and go as you please. My son and I bring baseball gloves, we play catch, we bring iPads, people have tents and they have all these other things. But what reminded me when you were talking about the instructors doing their little pop and lock routine so they can get some shine, it reminded me that at all of these track meets, at some point, they have a coaches race.

And every time, I'm rooting for the Achilles. I'm rooting for it. Come on, Hemi, I need the sniper to come out. My favorite part of the pomp and circumstance is all the graduates are getting their cap and gown and their individual numbers and honoring the instructors is the groan from like the seven dads in the crowd that are in the same exact position. When Matthew Kachuck, by that point I spilled outside and I'm in this waiting cell, waiting to see my daughter. And when Matthew Kachuck scored, I heard like three yells from the back

of the dudes following along on their phone. We were held hostage last night, it wasn't fair. Me and my wife will split up. Like, I'll leave the recital like five minutes early and go to the spot so I'm the first parent. Like, I hate that parent line of like, let's wait single file to get our kid one at a time. Like no.

You know how Zazz sleeps when the Panthers win? Show him how you sleep when the Panthers win. Like this, eyes wide open. No, when they win. Oh, when they win. Oh. That's how I turn every single time parents complain about having kids.

You idiots. No, there's so many blessings. There are good things too. There are days like this. There are days like this. There are days like this. Very few rewards in that. I mean, one thing of her future was dance, but very clearly not in the cards for my daughter.

This is a social thing, and I'm happy with the social development, but game four of the Stanley Cup final, me missing an entire first period because I'm out there playing this game. I'm so jealous of the track me thing where you can just get up whenever you'd like. I can get up and be like, excuse me, in the middle of, you know.

And also, Track Meet is competition. Like, we like competition. And the recital, like, it's a beautiful expression. I didn't grow up in dance, but, like, it's hard to get your heart going, hard to get your heart rate up. When you're out there running and racing, even if you don't know the kids, you're like, oh, all right, I'll see you. I see you, blue shirt. It's a little different. Well, I guess the young man who did oh my god

I imagine that it was cool the crowd popped for that. Yeah, I can't I I was like, oh, this is cool But then there's like 17 solos of like 15 year olds dancing. I gotta be honest don't care about you Don't don't care. Just move it along. I'm following along on the program Just counting them down count them down bad Don libertard you have some hot takes today Joe chestnuts a fire He calls Connor McDavid overrated before the show Yeah, no, I love it. Stoogats Roy. Let me explain it to you And not that you need to you know more about hockey and this is coming from a guy That's watched Connor play six times right if that

This is the down libertar show with this two guards Let's talk a little bit more about the game because super uncharacteristic of the Florida Panthers to blow a lead like this now little bit more about the game because super uncharacteristic of the Florida Panthers to blow a lead like this. Terrible. This series is all-time great. Three of the games have gone to overtime. Is this a first time in Stanley Cup history that you've had two late equalizers under 20 seconds and then the team that equalizes and has that huge emotional boost ends up losing in overtime? Panthers had their chances in overtime. Edmonton also had their chances in overtime.

The goal that won it, a lot like Brad Marshand's, really unimpressive, just kind of slides in because being a goalie is hard. I thought Stuart Skinner was good. Skinner? I thought he was good. I know he gave up three goals, but in watching what I did watch on my phone

from the stands recital, I was impressed with the guy. It could have been six zero. This is why I fell asleep very easily, very happy last night because I went, they pulled their goalie and basically we're at a point where everything is at stake here. If they don't win this game, series is over. If they don't come back, they might collapse.

They might kill each other in that locker room. That's how angry they will be with each other after that. And they had the come back, they might collapse, they might kill each other in that locker room. That's how angry they will be with each other after that. And they had the appropriate rally. But they don't have a goalie. They don't have a good goalie anyway. Stuart Skinner was doing okay, he had his moments, but the last couple of games they had his number, right? To the point that they pulled them.

Now you've got Pickard, Picard, however you pronounce it in there. And there were some signs, there were some signs where he's going to get eaten up eventually. That makes me feel like I'm with you. There's a clear advantage there for the Panthers and I like to think that that will.

I can already see the off season where it's just like Edmonton they have to win the cup, they need to improve their goalie situation and they sort of try to upgrade there. I follow but most people listening to us probably think that we're a little crazy because they put the guy in, they got their spark, he made a big time save on Sam Bennett. And now it's tied.. And last year, we, I was up on my feet, man. How did Bennett

not score that? And look full credit to Edmonton. All right. I also want Panthers to win the Stanley cup. Let's be clear about that, but full credit to it. I know that's why it's on the crawl, but let's be let's full credit to Edmonton All right, it was such a guts win and a guts performance from the Oilers We were gonna win that game 10-0 after the first period But I got by blowing you out like I I was so excited and for Edmonton That's right. That's what I was screaming after we were up 3-0 blowing you out and For you tweeted not in tweet. No, I don't I got I got sent a tweet that said how we're up three nothing blow it you out and for them you tweeted not in tweet No, I don't think I got I got sent a tweet that said how we feeling up three no up. Okay. That could be about anything

Hmm that was it was right after the third goal. Yeah, we find another jinxer. You're just vibe checking another jinx I'm at a dance recital not great. He literally does. Okay. I don't tweet during You don't know what that was about But you tweeted I tweet how you feeling a game during a game. Well. It was actually intermission right after a break There's a break in the play. Who are you speaking to you? You got it come on? We got to admit when we're wrong here wrong about what trying to check it on people ask. How you doing? I feel like I'm a nice person You said you didn't tweet during the games.

Yeah, I don't tweet about games. Okay. I dare you to find proof. I dare you to find proof that that was about anything. I'll wait forever. I don't wanna do this with you, all right. I'm clear on how this will go for me. So you're just doing a mental health check in on Earth?

Yeah, that's right. That's right. It's been a hard month. Yeah. Israel just attacked Iran. How we doing? How are you feeling? It's been a hard month. Yeah. How's everybody doing? Israel just attacked Iran. How we doing? How are you feeling?

It's Thursday. We're almost to the weekend. How we doing? All right. I didn't like that. So it was a guts win. And where the goalie change did spark them, and you gotta keep Skinner on the pine for this next game

because while I agree, I don't think this is their strongest goalie, they certainly rallied around him. It was like pulling teeth trying to get a clear shot on goal, they were blocking shots that could chuck opportunity that fell to a stick where two Edmonton Oilers converge and they block it with both their knees.

I got somebody else to blame actually. In the pregame, those guys, when they saw Skinner and our backup goalie, who's our backup goalie? Doesn't matter. When they were facing Zazz. Nice! No, it's... Oh, this guy.

I was looking for him, he's not there? Zazz, that's pretty damning. When they did their face-off. Damning about what? I admit that the tweet went out there. It's damning, what am I asking about? Look at the time. What the hell else are you gonna be asking about?

I told you, I was bored, it was during intermission. Oh yeah, you were bored. I'm checking on how everyone's doing. Off the hell else are you gonna be asking about? I told you, I was bored. It was during intermission. Oh yeah, you were bored. I'm checking on how everyone's doing. Off the reel, you were bored. How we doing? I happened to feel great at that time. Cool.

That's why I asked. But when they did the face-off thing, they acted like, oh my god, this is next level trolling by the Panthers. And then you just let the segment play out a little bit and they were told, oh you know, they do that all the time. And the only difference was somebody else came up to say something in between and I was just like,

all right, you guys aren't on your game, this doesn't feel right, like I think there's just gonna be something off tonight. I've got someone else to blame if we're gonna do this. And it's really more of a challenge. You guys all watched the game, who do you think was the worst player on the ice for the Florida Panthers? Who flashed the most poorly?

Wait a second, with that smile, I know where you're going with this. Who was the weakest player? Who was making uncharacteristic mistakes? I got mad at Kulakov a couple times in the game. Kulakov does Kulakov things. Like, you can't get too mad. Where was Gustav Forsling? He's playing well.

I thought Forsling is... Oh, that's the other Panther I know. I know whose fault it was. It wasn't Seth's. I know that. He wasn't great. Hey. No, he was not good. He know whose fault it was it wasn't Seth's I know that he wasn't great Hey, no, he was not good. He wasn't good. Why certainly it certainly wasn't be careful when we were five on three It was nurse and a Vander Kane in the I was like Dominique. Oh My favorite oiler

Why zero Campbell it was Alexander Barkov? Do the delay? The delay game point game the delay game was really bad. The multi-point game. The delay game was really bad. Yep. And if you wanna look at what happened last night. The rolling puck too. The play that ended up being one of the biggest plays in this series was you have four Panthers

in their neutral zone, you have Edmonton doing a line shift, you have Ryan Nugent Hopkins behind Sergei Bobrovsky. The puck takes a bounce off the stripes and stays pinned behind the net, and Nugent Hopkins is there fighting. I don't like Ryan Nugent Hopkins, pick a last name. I agree. He's there, he's winning a puck battle,

and the puck bounces to Alexander Barkov's stick, and he's just way too casual with it, and he has a back-breaking turnover that leads to a go-ahead goal. Now, one of the more improbable goals I've ever seen in my entire life, because that game felt like a loss. A UFO could have landed on center ice

and would have been more likely in my mind than the Florida Panthers tying that game in the fashion that they did. A snipe from Sam Reinhardt, really tough angle, though Carter Verhege would have been there to put it away. But an incredible equalizer and naturally you feel like vibes are high. Panthers had great chances. Forestling makes that kick save and a beaut, the puck somehow stays out of your net and you feel like, oh my god, we're gonna have an opportunity on a Saturday night. You're gonna have an opportunity on a Saturday night to lift Lord post, too. You're gonna have an opportunity on a Saturday night to lift Lord Stanley over your head in Edmonton.

We're gonna at least have that chance. And three, one, they hold serve at home. You have game six at home, you're like, okay, we have a margin of error here. Now, you head back to Edmonton, it's two, two. If Edmonton wins, it's not the end of the world. You know, you got your home game and you try to force game seven,

but you're in a two out of three with Edmonton, with two of the games at Edmonton wins, it's not the end of the world. You know, you got your home game and you try to force game seven, but you're in a two out of three with Edmonton, with two of the games at Edmonton, vibes are totally different now. You got a game five for your life. I hate what they took from us. I feel like the vibes should be there though. Like, I don't want to get so Panther- Hold it!

Focused on this. Chris. This should be a two-two series. These teams are so close. Chris. I'm not gonna let you get away with acting like Zazz is the only one that's dressed out. So I'm sitting in the office this morning,

Chris is in the back room getting makeup, and all I hear, every 30 seconds or so, God damn it, totally! No, I'm pissed! But I just, I'm trying to be level-headed here. How is this different than game two, where they down 1-0 and they have to win in Edmonton? How is it different than last year?

I'll tell you how it's different. They lost, they lost, it's a big difference. Game two, I know you're saying the scenario, but you have an entire series. Now, you're more, the puck is not round. Like, weird things happen. Look at that game-winning goal. You're one of the more dominant teams in recent memory

and you're going up against an irresistible force which, by the way, Connor McDavid again, I thought he was gonna be more aggressive, not 97. Well, the first couple, that first shift of the game, oh my god. You knew he was gonna come. McDavid had the puck for like a minute straight. Dry Cytle has been a menace this entire series. Leon Dry Cytle, White Leon, we have a White Leon and a White Anton in this series.

I gotta say that I believe that it's a misnomer. Y'all gentrified Leon. Leon is a white name. Name a famous black Leon. Curb Your Enthusiasm. Leon Bridges. Name a real famous black Leon Curb your enthusiasm. Yeah, Leon Bridges Name a real famous black Leon. Well, he said Leon Bridges Hey pucks around

Football is round ish, but it's oblong. It takes funny bounces. So there's a there's a part of the puck That's not round is. Like that thing is round. No, that biscuit gets bouncy when that ice is choppy. And now you open yourself up to something really random swinging this series because you couldn't hold a three goal lead. And that's not what the Panthers do. Now here's what the Panthers do do.

They bounce back. They don't let things like this get to them. If you could have any team in the history of South Florida sports that you would trust with wearing this for a couple of days and doing the right things, it'd be this Florida Panther team, right, Izzy? Yeah, and this is why I'm just shocked at the level of anger that there is here because you've been through this, right? And we know. We're up there nothing, yeah, yeah. The anger is that I have to stew like this until at least tomorrow night. That's literally the anger.

I do have to. You could have said it's on the crow, they're gonna win, you can decide how you feel right now. No, I wish that I could. That's why after the game last night, I'm just saying to myself, why do I even like sports? Who introduced me to sports? Why do I care about this? That's what I was thinking last night, I'm just saying to myself, why do I even like sports? Who introduced me to sports? Why do I care about this? That's what I was thinking last night because yes,

I know the Panthers are going to the Stanley Cup. Let's be clear about that. But I have to now feel this way for at least the start of my weekend. I'm going to be miserable and I don't know why I like sports. The randomness of the series is happening. It's three overtime games. They've ran, what the Panthers did by winning 6-1 is allowing for the random to happen and then they're just in a tie. Right, three overtime, so why are you so confident?

Because if they lose a seven game series and five of those games are in overtime and all four of the losses are overtime goals, you know what I'm gonna say? Great effing series. But I don't want to lose Okay, great. I'd like to win. Yeah, if that happens lose four games in overtime You know what I'm gonna say see you on the way down as I jump out the window what I'm gonna say is I'll see You next year. See you next year for part three, by the way, we've been looking up back here

We don't know too many white Leons that are famous either. Is Leon a dying? Yeah Leon Rose. That's one Okay, well Leon the professional. Okay, two. He's French. And Leon Christ. It's not on us. We name three white Leons. Name a black Leon. Not a lot of American white Leons. How about Leon? Leon Medical Center? Does that count? Leon Medical Center? I will say that the entire series, even after 6-1, I wasn't sure who was winning this series. What? I wasn't. I know it's an exclusive report today, so thankfully I know who's going to win now,

thanks to your exclusive reporting. But even after 6-1, I'm like, I expect Edmonton to come out. I was really surprised that Florida went up 3-0, and when they went up 3-0, it's the first time I sat back on my couch. I'm like, holy cow, we're gonna win the Stanley Cup. We're gonna win back to back Stanley Cups. We're better than them. And then-

We are better than them. Are we? So you were home by the time they were up three nothing? Yeah, I got home by the time. So it might be my fault, even though, may I remind you yet again- You should have stayed at the answer's title. May I remind you, Roy Shaved.

Okay, this is a member of the Pro Hockey Writers Association. We're efforting to get him on. That is the one thing, like I think Roy just shaved, and then he did the Roy thing of like, I'm not gonna give these guys a shave. I had a dream, literally the night before, I had a dream, or a nightmare if you will, that I accidentally shaved my beard.

And like I woke up and I hadn't seen the show yet, I put it in the chat, and then I saw that Roy shaved and I was just like oh okay I'm good because my dream means nothing he's the idiot who shaved he should know better he should know better and I get what you're saying like he just shaved and he didn't think of the consequences and I'd be like okay if this is a routine thing for Roy I can understand how he'd realize that oh I probably shouldn't have done this Roy's never clean shaven. He's never ever clean shaven.

What happened there? Did he screw up on a tape? What happened? Because he was traveling maybe today to Edmonton, he's like I gotta shave before I travel. I'm gonna bring my razor across the border, so let me get this out of the way right now. I haven't seen, genuinely, I haven't seen Roy clean shaven

in the better part of a decade. When's the last time you've seen Roy clean shaven? Yeah, I'm with you. I don't think we've been in this building with a clean shaven in the better part of a decade. When's the last time you seen Roy clean shaven? Yeah, I'm with you. I don't think we've been in this building with a clean shaven Roy, and he decides during the Stanley Cup final to be clean shaven? I'm not saying it's his fault.

I'm saying it's something to consider. Timing is peculiar though. Man, this is bullshit. So you think that they're gonna win game five? Yeah, I think they're gonna win game five. We're better than them. Lose two games in overtime in both those games You have multi-goal leads the Oilers have led. I mean I'm doing quick Matthew

I didn't bring my abacus with me, but the Oilers have led for a total of I think like 20 minutes the entire series well entering yesterday was nine minutes right I think they left like the final 12 minutes of the third period right until until we tied it with 19 seconds It works though, right? Until we tied it with 19 seconds up. Still using that abacus joke? It works though, right? It does it. I think so. I think so, yeah. Put it on the poll, do you know what an abacus is?

Only answer if you're under 30. I mean, it's a seven game series. Things like this happen. Remember, didn't the Portland Trail Blazers get swept in a series that they led the vast majority of the time? No way, that doesn't happen in the NBA. In the Western Conference?

It's the Warriors? Yeah, that was a series that I think KD was not in. He was hurt. Was that five or four? But I know that if you look at the time, the poor, well, did they get swept in that? Yeah, they got swept. They got swept. So I think let's look it up. I think Portland led for more of that. That's when KD had the calf injury. And then that's when he came back in the finals. And then that's when he tore his Achilles. So it can happen. It can happen. It's not it's not what you do in terms of having a lead it's who's winning at the end of the game when when it's triple zero and Or when the when you have a walk-off, I guess in hockey obviously it depends on how the series shakes out

But that's potentially it like it's right now. it's the worst loss in Panther history, right? That's up there, all time choke job. I thought game one was the worst loss in Panther history. Last night was obviously worse. Last night's the worst loss in Panther history. So the two, I mean, I'm not arguing with you. Are we looking in this series at the two worst losses in Panther's history?

Yes. Let's expand it out. That one felt bad last night. In terms of most devastating losses. What do you disagree with most devastating? Losses choke jobs, which you'd define as a choke job, which is our win probability is up there in the 90s We're feeling good about things. We can't lose this game In the history of South Florida sports and name a bigger choke job

I'm not disagreeing with it being potentially the worst loss in Panthers history because outside of one year I got the last three years are the most important, the most high level games and so yes, if it was that, not that bad. Bigger choke job. Because again, you're only tied in the final and you believe to be the better team and you believe you can go win a road game. So it really, it's not like, you know, the game five loss Miami, Boston, where LeBron had to go up there to Boston. That gap between game five and game

six, everybody thought it was over. Everybody thought that was the worst loss ever. Never going to recover from this. This feels like delaying the gratitude that's inevitable because you said it. What's the bigger choke job, Jonathan Zaslow, in the history of South Florida sports, with stakes attached? Last night, up three-zero, after one against Edmonton, or LeBron and Dwyane Wade shadow boxing? Game two, 2011. Game two, 2011.

Because game two, 2011 is the worst loss of heat history. That's worse right now because we know the outcome. But if the Panthers do not win the Stanley Cup, I'm going to go with last night being the worst in the history of South Florida sports. Was it game three in Dallas where Wade missed a bunch of free throws in that series? No, we won game three in Dallas. We won game four, Wade missed a bunch of free throws in Dallas, and Dallas ended up winning that, and then they won the very next game.

Game four, the Heat were up by four with like two minutes left, they still lost. Game five, they were up by nine early in the fourth quarter, which back then by the way was a big lead And they lost that game also But but game two game two is the worst loss in Heat history Last night's the worst loss in Panther history if the Panthers don't win the Stanley Cup this will eclipse that. Couple of updates the new Pope, White Leon. Number two Western Conference finals 2019 Blazers led for more minutes than the Warriors despite losing in four games in a sweep 101 to 83 minutes led yeah

Shocked how much I know ball it happens sometimes I surprise folks I don't like what's happening in this room behind me these two back here. I think we're an oilers fan now Yeah, I'm an oilers fan. You guys Tony you want to be an oilers fan. Just this is great I didn't want to be I didn't want to be I'm watching I'm watching the game Wanting to want the Panthers to win I wanted to want them to win But you did it But then I saw the way that the oilers fighting and then one one arm goal from my dog Leon and them boys Then I mean to get blown out six to get blown out six, to get blown out six one, and then to be down three to zero.

And to fight back, and then go down one, and fight back. Is this even their best comeback in this playoffs? Like, they've done this, I feel like, every round. Well, I haven't watched those rounds. It's Dry Cytle's fourth overtime winner in a single postseason. Woo! Dry Cytle and McDavid each have three 30-point postseasons.

Ugh! That ties Mark Messier for second best in franchise history. Ah-ha! The Great One had six of such 30-point postseasons. Really good, two of the best players on the planet. And we haven't seen the best of Connor McDavid, though he had another one of those.

Had he scored that goal, and Bobrovsky, I know they went high on him, and that's a scouting report on Bob, and you can get frustrated here, but Bobrovsky's been so dynamite. He was really good last night. True. Really good. He's been outstanding this postseason,

and really, I understand Sam Bennett's been great. Ah, Sam Bennett. You guys are not afraid that he's going to leave, right? No. No. No. I got a little bit more information, breaking news, if you will, about Sam Bennett. You guys are not afraid that he's gonna leave, right? No. No. No. I got a little bit more information, breaking news, if you will, about Sam Bennett.

Hold up, we have a thing for that. Ahem. Not that. That's the breaking news sounder? Hit it one more time if you don't mind. Ahem. Alright, I'm ready. Sam Bennett.

So if you're afraid that he might leave and if the money's just gonna be too much for him to stay and he goes elsewhere, here's what I've learned about Sam Bennett that makes me think he's gonna stay put. He loves American Social and Forlatter, though. No, that's secondary, but put that on the scroll as well. That's a good nugget, though.

Yes. That's a good secondary nugget. Sam Bennett does not like new people very much. He's not in good, like, does not like new people. That is very much a favor of Stang. It's a very distinct part about his personality that people say about him.

So no new people means no new team for Sam Bennett. Stang put that on the cross. Sam Bennett does not like new people. Is he a Louis Bossy kind of guy? I don't know that. That's more in the Chris realm. I'm more of his personality. Chris knows where he more hangs out.

Ah, gotcha. When we went to 11 for that Stanley Cup championship celebration. Best night of my life. It was one of the, it was up out. Ah, gotcha. When we went to 11 for that Stanley Cup championship celebration. Best night of my life. It was one of the, it was up there. What a night. It was up there. Sorry, Ethan.

There were a lot of interactions with Panthers. We had a great time with Ryan Lomburg. I was shocked at how nice Sam Bennett was to me. Shocked, because this guy is like a cerebral assassin. It was fake. He hates new people. He's a Terminator. He loved me.

Maybe he knew you. I actually had an awkward, I had an awkward interaction with Sam Benning. There it is. At American Social? No, at 11 that night. Because we were all hanging out. It was so much fun.

You're just like, oh, there's him. There's him. And Sam Benning, one time, goes to the bathroom. As I'm walking by, I'm like, Sam's going in there. You follow him in. I'm going to go in there, too. And there's a line. This is why he doesn't like new people, Chris.

And there's a line. So I'm just behind him. And I'm like, oh, what do I do? So I literally am'm just like I can't believe they're making Sam Benner wait in this line And he just like turned around and was just like don't say my name you idiot people don't know who I am It was just he gave me this look of like it wasn't like oh man good to see you It was just like and I just turned around and walked away. I was like that was so embarrassing So you didn't get to pee next to him? No, so who's the most famous person you've peed next? Ray Lewis at the fronton.

Dave Chappelle for me. Wow. Wow. Hold on. Was he smoking a cigarette? Smoking a cig at the stall? Well, Dominique, you've probably peed next to Ray Lewis plenty. Yeah, I guess.

Yeah. Tangentially. Yeah. Well, you don't tangentially pee next to somebody. I guess if you're at a trough, maybe. A little redundant. Who's the most famous person, non-Baltimore Ravens, that you've peed next to?

Can I get a second to think about? Yeah, yeah. Most people don't say about this. They've got so many. You don't have an active list? Alex Turner, Arctic Monkeys, Zack Thomas, at the front-on, but the Dania front-on. Oh, the old school front-on.

Does it count if I was fake peeing? Yeah. That's just weird. Zaz, I doesn't count if I was fake peeing You were fake peeing just to like be around this person we've gone over this shy bladder, okay? Yeah accounts That's a medical condition then mark cut say All right, so we've established the low wrong Ray Lewis's King of the Mountain I think Ray Lewis I got a good one Dave Chappelle's not a head of Ray Lewis I think Ray Lewis I got I got a good one Dave Chappelle's not ahead of Ray Lewis Oh no no no I'm sorry Ray Lewis is ahead of me Ray Lewis is higher

yep How many rings does Dave Chappelle have? How many people has he killed? Couple maybe Tony who you got? Stephen A Smith Wow that's it's Chappelle, Stephen A that's like where we're at Really? Stephen A is up there with Chappelle?

I'm saying just below I'm saying He could be our president next round In this conversation I would put Stephen and I mean if we're talking just raw fame Like if you showed a picture of a purse this picture to a person on the street I think you I mean Dave Chappelle has not been as public for a long time I think if we went over across the street with two pictures we hold up once Chappelle once even a now we Is it might be? We did cut you off yeah Hold on you didn't even cut me off as we're cutting

That kind of thing you got no no power through you tried to cut me off. You didn't even successfully cut me off That's that's what you need to get off get up You didn't even successfully cut me off. That's what you meant to say. You need to get off, get off. You need to get up, get up. I feel bad for Charlie. He clearly hasn't peed next to anybody famous. Literally no one.

I was racking my brains. Like, do I lie? Do I try and come up with like a, like say Owen Wilson out of the blue? And it's like, wow. He said wow. Wow. I just said neck and neck.