The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Which Performance Mattered More?

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

Today's cast: Dan, Amin, Billy, Jeremy, Jessica, Roy, and Tony. Is every closed door a locked door to a dog? Last night was eventful across sports with a Pete Alonso walk-off HR like no other in MLB P...ostseason history and a tremendous regular season performance from Kirk Cousins and the Falcons. Dan wants to celebrate the never-before-achieved baseball moment, but Amin and the crew aren't all that impressed, and Jeremy is ready to lose his mind. Then, after a barrage of stats on both Alonso and Cousins, we listen to a Spanish-speaking vampire's call of the home run. Has there ever been a better Mets homer? Plus, there is some local sports news as the Marlins dismissed their entire coaching staff including one of the best pitching coaches in baseball, and Inter Miami won a trophy that no one in the room seems to know or care about. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:32 you feel about Willow being in here in a locked room? You right now are in a locked room with Willow and Willow wanted to be sitting behind me but now Willow wants out and the door is locked and Jessica is delighted by you being trapped in a room with Willow. She's got a giant smile on her face. I'm pretty sure the door's not locked in. That's against fire code. The door is closed, it's not locked.
Starting point is 00:01:55 The dog can't get out and you have to. Well they can, I can just open this door right now. Okay, but you're busy working. Every closed door is a locked door to a dog. Put it on the poll please, I'd love it's hard show. That's not true. but you're busy working. Every closed door is a locked door to a dog. Put it on the poll please at Levitard Show. That's not true. Have you seen the dogs that climb up on their
Starting point is 00:02:10 hind paws and open the door? I've seen it. Juju Smith Schuster's dog too. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is every closed door a locked door to a dog? Tony, it's nice to hear your voice. Thank you. I heard you in the makeup chair.
Starting point is 00:02:24 You are really dreading a dog Tony. It's nice to hear your voice. I heard you in the makeup chair. You are really dreading a baby shower I I think put it on the pole as well at Leviton show do all men dread baby showers Do all people dread baby showers? We don't say this out loud. What are these family listening? Wife listening? Whatever? Why she doesn't listen she doesn't listen. I know but this is this is one that we'll get back to her. You think so? Yeah Of my of my dread of the baby shower? Yeah, have you told her you dread it? No. OK, so then you can't say it on air.
Starting point is 00:02:52 It's been a silent dread of the baby shower, but it's more so the dread of the weekend, because I got a lot of stuff to do this weekend. Baby shower is one of them, and I want the baby shower to be higher on my list. The issue is it's not. It's kind of like third or fourth on the list of things I gotta do this weekend.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Really? You're dreading this weekend. Yeah, it's a long weekend. Because I'm looking forward to it. So am I. Because we're going to Chicago, you can meet up with us. It's a long weekend. Joe's on weed, God bless football,
Starting point is 00:03:13 Tony's gonna be there. I have FOMO, not for the baby shower, no offense. Well come, nothing's stopping any of you from coming. Just come along. It's far. Lack of money. Kristen's coming, you can come. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Daniel coming. This is the Don LeVittor Show with the Stoogats Podcast. That was a fun sports night, huh? Couple, all you needed was a couple of games there. You got Kirk Cousins going crazy. So which is it? Is it L-O-L-Lanta or is it Kirk Cousins? I said that wrong?
Starting point is 00:03:54 What is it? L-O-Lanta, how do we do that? L-O-L-Lanta, what are you? You're laughing at me, but you're not helping me with the correction. You're just laughing. So how should I have said that? No, you got it, Dan.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Okay, thanks for all the help Amin I appreciate it. It's one of those in text only situation. Thank you. Okay, so it's LOL, ANTA and Kirk Cousins primetime one of them had to give right Kirk Cousins is now good in primetime This is what we're doing 500 yards felt a little college football out of nowhere And there was so much in that game a face mask that wasn't called How do you lose that game if you're Tampa you got first and ten you got the ball at the 28 yard line you shouldn't have intercepted the ball just knock it down you get it at the 20 you go back for you got your up three first
Starting point is 00:04:35 and ten one minute and forty four seconds left in the game how do you lose that football game when you're on their 28 yard line? It seems impossible. It's almost like a riddle. It's like this team didn't win. And you're like, wait, how? Atlanta's I don't know if you guys have been watching this, but the last few games that Atlanta has played are crazy. Okay. It's like they've got a 1% chance of winning. They've got a 5% chance of winning. They've got a 26 percent chance of winning they've got a five percent chance of winning they've got a twenty six percent chance of winning and the odds of winning all three of those games like they have like one in eight thousand for them to win all of those games and they lost one in
Starting point is 00:05:17 there against Kansas City turning the ball over twice in the red zone like everything they're doing is crazy and that was the second most interesting game last night because baseball and what the Mets did making New York go crazy was huge fun. Pete Alonso in the most historic game, Pete Alonso does something no player has ever done in baseball. No it's never been done before where you're trailing in the ninth inning of a winner-take-all game and you hit a home run that takes the lead.
Starting point is 00:05:46 That's never happened before. I couldn't believe it when I read that stat that Pete Alonzo was doing something that had never been done before. I was anti-baseball until that helmet slam. That was pretty crazy. That was a moment. Can you guys get for me,
Starting point is 00:05:59 just so people see where this Mets season has been, can you just get me a montage before we play the calls and show you some of New York going crazy, can you guys just get for me some of how it is we've covered this Mets season by just checking in with Keith Hernandez, Ron Darling. Is it Gary Cohen that does the game for the Mets? They have been a sad broadcasting team,
Starting point is 00:06:21 and all of a sudden the Mets matter and are electric, and we've played, the way we covered the Mets this year was just to make fun of them and to tune into their sad broadcasting team just give me a montage of some of that sadness. trying not to make it six that's driven to center field back goes Bader going back here to tell Marte turns this game around with his second home run of the day a two run shot to center and the Diamondbacks go in front five to four Five to four. This. Was a bomb. That's way up. The backdrop of three run triple for Mike is Trimsky makes
Starting point is 00:07:14 it seven to two San Francisco and the Giants have scored five times in the 10th fastball belt high out over the plate. Just couldn't get there. Boy oh boy. Feels like the sky is falling. It has felt like that virtually every day for the last month. Good grief. We'll be here when the game starts and until then you guys just you know get get the snacks that you can and try to keep keep nourished.
Starting point is 00:07:59 So that's where the Mets season was, and then last night they're doing things that no team has done. They're the first team in MLB history to clinch a postseason berth and win a playoff series in games in which they were trailing in the ninth inning or later. They played five games in four days and won a playoff series and clinched a playoff berth in that same stretch. This was one of the best weeks in Mets history? Like for any team? Come on, man. I hate these hyper-specific stats.
Starting point is 00:08:36 The first team to ever, when the temperature was 72 degrees. This isn't that complicated. They were losing in the ninth and they won a game and that's crazy. In modern baseball? That happens all the time. You don't have to make it to the first team ever.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Who cares? Yeah, because we didn't have wild cards until like 20 years ago or 30 years ago, excuse me. That's why, right? It's not because in the 150 years of baseball that's never happened. It's because A, clenching a wild card playoff berth was not a thing. Hold on a second.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Clenching a playoff berth. Or whatever. I mean, Pete Alonzo is the first player ever to hit a go ahead home run ninth inning or later trailing when trailing in a winner take all game. That's so. That's the first time that's ever happened. It's just so hyper specific.
Starting point is 00:09:21 But it's a winner take all game, and it's the ninth inning, and it's never happened before. And trailing, and this, and that, and okay, all right. Oh wow. If a guy hit a game winning buzzer beater in a winner take all game to advance to the next round, it had become the first guy ever in a winner take all game to advance to the next round, we'd be losing our minds over that player,
Starting point is 00:09:40 but this isn't a big deal. I don't think we'd be losing our minds. You're adding winner take all games also. Right. Like the more teams that are in,'re adding winner take all games also. Right. Like the more teams that are in, the more winner take all games there are, the more likely something like this is going to happen eventually. Wow.
Starting point is 00:09:51 This is our nation's oldest sport. You're just poo pooing the stat. I'm poo pooing the stat. You know how I know? The show is poo pooing the stat. You know how I know? You guys dropped that, didn't play no music, no fanfare, no stat of the day.
Starting point is 00:10:01 That's amazing. Well, let's. No stat of the day. No stat of the day, huh? Look at what you're poo-pooing. This is the enthusiasm and Amin's good for this. He'll poo-poo a celebration. If you're having a big celebration, everyone's dancing, having a good time, hey, there's Mr. Poo-Poo.
Starting point is 00:10:15 There he is. He's poo-pooing in the punch bowl. Look at what's happening here in a bar in New York before we go to Citi Field and before we go to the call of this thing that you're poo-pooing. I think it's that a meme doesn't care about baseball. I think if anything this equivalent happened in basketball and we were doing this to him,
Starting point is 00:10:47 he would get really mad about it. No, I love that your evidence is a video of drunken New Yorkers. Oh wow, the drunken New Yorkers overreacted? No, that never happened. You all won. No I'm not. All right, so let's go to Citi Field,
Starting point is 00:10:59 and again, they're not playing at Citi Field, so Citi Field is full of people, which is striking in New York to see it happen. Not quite full, is that what you're going to object to? Go ahead and play this. They're watching on the giant scoreboard in Center Field. It's a nice goal, but I'll give them that.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Oh, ****! Holy ****! It's a nice go-go, I'll give him that. Oh, ****! Holy ****! Is it that you don't like to see New Yorkers happy? Is that what it is? I love that we bleeped out, oh ****, but then he yells, Mother bleeper! Like, we're just gonna let that one rock, number one.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Number two, this is like when Jeremy said they're holding up babies when they hit one yeah and that was awesome too yeah to be jerk just a note the game was not played in Citi field so it's it was full of people watching a game on the jumbotron that was being played in Milwaukee did I say that incorrectly no no no I just no we just said we were in city field. Smirnoff knows there's no I in football. It's a we thing, an experience best enjoyed together. Whether you're home or away, we rally together, we cry together, and we always rally cry together. Because in fandom, there's definitely no I.
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Starting point is 00:13:07 You're right, you're right, you're right. I don't have it against the spread. Oh, well. Because I wasn't prepared for this segment. You need an Ian in your life. You have actively played defense against me today in a way that has rarely been this undercutting. Stugats.
Starting point is 00:13:19 Defense wins championships, baby. That's show business. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugarts. ["The Stugarts Show Theme"] Regardless, they have to pay Peter London out, right? Just because that one moment, because he was, he was a great, he was a great. To Meen's point, though, I had to read it a couple times
Starting point is 00:13:37 to see what it actually was that he did. He hit a home run late, okay, but then it was a paragraph of things, I was like, oh, so he hit a time had a time going okay in the ninth but also to go ahead okay yeah it was just a long a long size they were down in the ninth it's a winner-take-all game a guy hits a home run to take the lead in the ninth and win the series that's dramatic and huge baseball's been around for 200 years it's never happened before it's never happened before when they're trailing it's a it's happened in tie, but not when you're trailing.
Starting point is 00:14:05 This first round is really what waters it down, I think. Okay, I'm gonna explain this a different way. It's hard to ever hit a bigger home run. No, no. This is not one of the biggest home runs in history. Are you kidding me? In a playoff game, it is hard to ever hit a bigger home run. I'm not saying there aren't bigger playoff games.
Starting point is 00:14:23 I'm saying that in a ninth inning. Bill Maz say I feel insane right now I mean Tony I what what they don't like we're putting this on the same level as Joe Carter like no it's not a World Series Billy we would if it had happened in the World Series it would immediately go it would skyrocket Right to the top of the list of biggest home runs ever hit if it had happened later in the season question this home run Or Aaron Boone in like 2003 that's against the Red Sox. That's also a winner-take-all game. It was a game seven They weren't trailing. It was tied. I'm asking you you're like, this is one of the Brickleson. Which do you think is a bigger home run? I mean, it's a good point good point though more rounds than ever now
Starting point is 00:15:06 in baseball like is this watered down because this is a winner take all game they're losing if he doesn't get a hit the season can end that could be it the only time it's ever happened where someone was trailing in the ninth inning and they hit a go-ahead home run was yesterday ever. The pressure's insane. It would have been as last that bad as it meant. But I would say this, they set themselves up for that moment.
Starting point is 00:15:34 If they weren't losing, they wouldn't have been trailing at the time, so they really are kind of lobbying themselves up to have this moment. You build your own platform. You build your own platform. You can't create your own save in baseball by giving up runs and then it becomes a save opportunity. Same thing, like had they not blown a lead
Starting point is 00:15:50 and been trailing, they wouldn't have set themselves up for this moment that's never happened before. Good point, Billy. The real ones don't trail. Yeah. Exactly. To Amin's point, game seven, 03 ALCS, Aaron Boone steps up to the plate
Starting point is 00:16:03 against the hated Boston Red Sox in extra innings. And what's the score? It's a tie game and it's the last at bat. He's in the bottom of the ninth. Like the season's not gonna end if he makes an out. So is the Patriots come from behind win in the Super Bowl against the Falcons not a big deal because they let themselves trail 28 to 3. No it's not a big deal because there wasn't a home run. Right. Let's play some more sound here that Amin can poo poo. Let's play the jubilant Mets call of what was a historic home run whether Amin thinks it is or not. Williams sets. Here's the pitch. Swing on a fly ball to right field. Pretty well hit. Freelick back at the wall. He jumps. It's gone. He did it. He did it. Pete Alonso with the most memorable
Starting point is 00:16:51 home run of his career. Pumps as fast as he rounds second. It's a three run homer. He's giving the Mets a three to two lead. They all pour out of the dugout. Alonso on his way to home plate. They're waiting for him. He hits the plate. He is first congratulated by Nimmo, hugged by Lindor. There are a dozen Mets waiting for him outside the dugout. Pete Alonso keeps this fairy tale season going with the fairy tale swing of his career. Three to two New York. Devin Williams had never allowed an opposite field home run
Starting point is 00:17:26 to a right hand hitter ever in his entire career. No one had been skilled enough to hit an opposite field home run from the right handed side against Devin Williams. And in that circumstance, one in which no one had ever hit a home run, Pete Alonso does it. That stats courtesy Cespidus Family Barbecue. That sound, excuse me, I'm getting emotional, is courtesy of WCBS 880.
Starting point is 00:17:55 I would say this, first of all, the sound proves my point. He doesn't say the greatest home run ever. He doesn't say the greatest home run even in Mets history. He says the greatest home run of Pete Alonso's career, which it is We can give him that but also Technically doesn't count as a home run in his career because postseason stats don't count There you go
Starting point is 00:18:11 Let me play the Spanish version of this as well just to try and get Amin excited in a different language Now if he comes in hard, Pile will shoot. The launch is well prepared. Big kick, raised to the right side, the ball goes back, it goes back, it has color, it has flavor! Home run, to run! home run! home run! home run! home run! home run!
Starting point is 00:18:54 home run! home run! home run! home run! home run! home run! home run! Dracula at the end. A little Dracula, there was a little... Boo! Let's play the whole thing again because the soccer game broke out, a goal was scored in the middle.
Starting point is 00:19:10 This is courtesy of ESPN 1050. But yeah, for some reason, he wanted to suck your blood at the end. Three balls, one strike. Now, if he has a strike, he's going to throw. The launch is getting ready. A big kick from the right side. The ball goes back.
Starting point is 00:19:31 The ball goes back. It's colored. It's flavored. Home run. It's in star vista baby. 3-2 has been put in the game. The Mecs are up. Rebellion of the last hour of the New York Mecs.
Starting point is 00:19:57 That sound that Kelo commented on me. Yeah, we're going to find that sound. Per Sarah Langs, this this is teams were seven and one hundred and five when trailing in the ninth inning of a winner-take-all game. They were two and eighty two when trailing by two or more runs and then last night Pete Alonso hit a three run homer and changed that forever and we're just gonna not a big deal. Again I asked the question. I noticed that you very expertly very Judiciously avoided my question bigger home run Aaron Boone or that one
Starting point is 00:20:32 Okay, but here's the thing no Aaron Rod Aaron Boone's home run was the bigger home run the more memorable home run But this will be a home run that the Mets fans will remember forever There are bigger home runs, but this was an enormous home run, I mean. Yeah, because they don't have shit to remember. It's the most clutch home run. For the Mets. Maybe ever, given the circumstances. You get out, your season ends.
Starting point is 00:20:57 There are no home runs that anyone has ever hit that have changed that. I think he might be right on the idea that it's not just the biggest home run of Pete Alonso's career that it might be the most memorable home run in Mets history. I think I'm gonna think about this for a second. They need to go on a run though because if they get swept in the next round this game's completely forgotten. I don't know man because Robin Ventura hit a grand slam single in the playoffs in 1991. They also are on a run
Starting point is 00:21:24 right now because the White Sox became the losingest team in MLB history and exercised the demons of the New York Mets. We revisited that. And Grimace. Maybe they didn't actually though. And also Pete Alonso has a lucky pumpkin, I read. Roy, please explain to me the Grand Slam single by Robin Ventura. Yeah, so the basses were loaded obviously, Grand Slam from Robin Ventura, Yeah so the bases were loaded obviously Grand Slam from Robin Ventura but he wasn't able to complete the entire turnaround the bases because
Starting point is 00:21:48 he was mobbed at second base. Mobbed at second base Dan they wouldn't even let him go around I remember that game it was a it was a huge deal because he bases loaded he knocked that shit out the park but you guys are gonna remember P. Alonso. Respectfully. Come on. That was game five at the NLCS. I want to compare this and this is always funny to me. When you get the jubilance, all of that jubilance and now a sad Bob Euker, Roy can you please tell me how old Bob Euker is? Bob Euker is still out here doing it. On the losing end of this, there is a Brewers team that is crestfallen today because they'll
Starting point is 00:22:23 remember that home run for a long time 90 Bob Euker is 90 should be doing these games 90 years old. He won't remember it for a while. It's not that it's just like We shouldn't put him through this. No, you're right. He should be the president Okay. Oh Let's play the sad sound of Bob Euker at the end of their season as he realizes at 90 years old what he's witnessing. Well, New York down, they did it, and the crew will have it end here tonight. Really a crushing end to what was a fabulous season for the Milwaukee
Starting point is 00:23:08 Brewers telling you that one. Had some sting on it. Milwaukee Brewers baseball has been brought to you in part. Oh, it's so sad. That one has some sting on it. Like that was his last ever game. Energy vampire. It's super sad, man.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Bob Euker's sitting there thinking he's gonna win the game, ninth inning, he's gonna get a great call in his 90s. You don't get a lot of opportunities to get great calls in your 90s, and next thing you know, the polar bear, Pete Alonso, steals it from him. Can you give me a list, Jeremy, of the most famous home runs in Mets history? Because I think this might be a funny list. The choices are going to be, I think, 1969 and 1986, and that's it. I'm looking at the top four home runs, according to Metsmarized Online. And when we're talking about how clutch this one was, yeah was yeah look there have been bigger home runs
Starting point is 00:24:06 Joe Carter won a World Series There's Aaron Boone, but what Pete Alonso just did has never been done, and you look at the Mets They're number one Mike Piazza the first game back after 9-eleven so obviously a big moment. That's huge. Yeah That was a big moment. That's big. Cancer Pass it. Cancer Pass it. Number two Francisco Lindor's home run last week no You don't have two of the biggest home runs in franchise history in one week number three Wilmer Flores When he had been traded and then wasn't traded and was crying and number four big Bartolo Cologne in San Diego
Starting point is 00:24:44 Flores can't be responsible Fuck, fuck, fuck, man. That was a huge one, that was a huge one. That was a big one. But Beat Alonzo's not a big deal. No more floor is campy response. The 9-11 one, come on, what are we doing? The biggest anything in history. Beat Alonzo number two. Also, like, can it be that great if it happens the same day that Kirk Cousin throws her 500 yards? Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:24:54 That's a good point. No one's talking about that now. All right, then let's talk about that since you guys are done with baseball and I'm sorry to do this to you, I mean. Mm-hmm. Major penalty, five minutes high-sticking. Whoa!
Starting point is 00:25:08 Wow. You're gonna have to leave because it was a great sports moment and there's no reason to ruin the sports moment by wanting to talk about Kirk Cousins. My only regret is that you didn't push that button like 10 minutes ago. Wow.
Starting point is 00:25:20 So I could have missed this boring ass. Go ahead and see. Oh my God. I mean, Dan, if you think about it, the Falcons win last night in overtime. It wasn't really even that impressive because they were trailing. So what they did, I'm not impressed
Starting point is 00:25:32 with her cousins coming back in overtime and winning that game at home against a division rival. I'm not impressed. It's not a big deal. Well, were they trailing at the moment of the touchdown? They were tied, it was overtime. Then it doesn't count. If it was a tie game, it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:25:45 I think we should all be celebrating. Are you guys aware that we are right now, beginning with last night, 55 straight days of football, 55 straight days that have a football game in it, without anyone pausing to miss a football game for a single night. Does that mean we're going straight till Christmas? Like how much, 55 days?
Starting point is 00:26:05 Till Thanksgiving, Dan. I'm going to watch every single one of them. Put it on the poll please, Juju, at LeBretard Show. Did you know that we're about to play 55 straight football, 55 straight football nights? I have a stat of the day, Billy. If you may hit the music, please. Well, you gotta give him a second.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Take your time. Jessica, you gotta do, Jessica, come on now. Billy's in the big. Well you gotta give him a second. Jessica you gotta do it. Jessica come on now Billy's in the big seat you gotta give him some time with that he can't just he can't just get to that. How dare you sir. Start of the day music. I thought you were gonna play the wrong music there. Why would I? Why would I?
Starting point is 00:26:37 Unpredictable. Get out of here. Start of the day, start of the day, start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. It is the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. It is the start of the day. Hey! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Stat of the day from Doug Farrar on Twitter. Kirk Cousins' 509 passing yards is tied for 10th in NFL history for the most in a single game. Little bonus trivia if you can name who he is tied with,
Starting point is 00:27:21 with 509 passing yards in a single game in NFL history. I'll guess Dan Fouts. No. Warren Moon. Norm Van Brocklin. Marino. So Norm Van Brocklin has the record with 554 yards in a game in 1951, but he is not the 10th place tie
Starting point is 00:27:40 with Kirk Cousins. That would be Vince Ferragamo of the Los Angeles Rams who had 509 yards in 1982. Are you familiar with Ferragamo? He was a bit of a sex symbol during his time. That name worked for him. He brought in the quarterback position as rock star with a name that people can laugh at many years later because he wasn't actually that good.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Yeah, he wasn't that good. He's in the history books, Dan. Tied for 10th 10th in whatever that was Ferragamo did not have a great career But he had a memorable name and he had a very good. Yes. Very good looking. I mean, so is your name Can you imagine him now Vince Ferragamo? He's Jimmy Garoppolo. Oh, it's the same thing He wasn't a very good quarterback. I can't believe that he is that high on that list There's a lot of good names on this. He's a Hall of Famer The Italian-American Sports Hall of Fame, but a Hall of Famer nonetheless. Hell yeah
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Starting point is 00:30:33 It's okay. Is gymnastics possibly corrupt? This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. Something that we didn't talk about yesterday, and this is my fault, I'm not sure exactly how it is that we didn't have time to get to this yesterday. I'm curious what Jeremy has for us on this but the Marlins and their dysfunction stugots Mel Stottlemyre jr. by consensus is a great pitching coach nobody disputes this and the big lead among others is writing while the Mets and Phillies ready for what should be a classic NLDS their NL East rivals in quotes in Miami, continue to embarrass themselves.
Starting point is 00:31:27 And Buster Olney writes, the more that you hear about the breath of the firings within the Marlins organization from coaches to clubhouse attendance, the more cold blooded it looks. Clear cutting people who devoted their care and working lives to this business just reeks of administrative failure. After winning the manager of the year, Skip Schumacher, and I know nobody nationally cares about this team, but it's a special level of dysfunction and decades of it to have the manager of the year and have him go into a lame duck season, at least in part because you run your business so poorly that now you're just running off all the coaches as well and Billy you're a Marlins fan I don't
Starting point is 00:32:09 know how you received yesterday but nobody disputes that Stottlemeyer is very good at his job and nobody disputes that Schumacher is very good at his job and so to run off the entire coaching staff as a business move did it affect you? Well, I think the skip thing was different in that I think Skip spoke to them prior to the season and they kinda came to this conclusion together like let's see how this goes,
Starting point is 00:32:32 but it seemed like the writing was on the wall for Skip very early on. Again, the God is writing on a Babylonian wall, again this is happening, the writing is on the wall for Skip Schumacher, but what about the rest of the coaches? This was, it was a bit surprising that Stottlemeyer was let go, no? Again, this is happening. The writing is on the wall for Skip Schumacher. But what about the rest of the coaches? It was a bit surprising that Stottlemeyer was let go, no? Him, yes, because he survived the previous managerial change.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Because as you were saying, he was viewed as one of the best pitching coaches in all of baseball. So I mean, when there is new administrations coming in, they will bring in their new coaches. It's just interesting to see that they are not even giving the new administration the option of him or not.
Starting point is 00:33:10 So I don't know, I mean I don't know what their plan is, but it was described the day before as a bloodbath is coming. So it seemed inevitable that there was gonna be mass changes, I just don't know, it's hard to see the direction right now. Are you numb to it? Somewhat, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Once you let the manager of the year, defending manager of the year, just kind of walk away, and then you get rid of the best pitching coach in baseball, who's had incredible success, by the way. He has a great resume of what he's done just down here. It's not like he's done this on other teams. He's done it here. He has a Cy Young to his credit, right?
Starting point is 00:33:46 So let's see who they bring in, but it's not like, what are they building around right now? You know what I mean? Like it's just another rebuild again. Mel is one of the best pitching coaches in baseball. His father was as well, and the pitching staff has nothing but the most amazing things to say about him
Starting point is 00:34:04 is he turned guys like Ryan Weathers and Jesus Lizardo from disappointments who were high draft picks and had great stuff into legitimately good starting pitchers. The question on Mel that I haven't heard answered yet in the reporting and maybe I'll try to find those answers is was this a situation where they let him walk because he wanted to or they dismissed him? Because Mel had flirted with leaving before and Skip essentially
Starting point is 00:34:34 convinced him to stay. Now that this was going to be another manager, another group of coaches, did he want to leave? They are, they have continued discussions with John Jay and Luis Urieta, who is gonna be interviewed for the managerial position. Danny Alvarez reported that this morning. But, you know, this is another clean slate. Tony, you like how he said that, huh? You like how- Urieta, yeah, had cheap puck.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Jeremy, what? Jeremy, what? Look, man, I'm capable. Well, it's important. Look, I used to love the newscasts when I would listen to or watch them on television and all of a sudden one of the incredibly American looking anchors said Los Sandanistas with a flourish. So I appreciate what Tony was appreciating there
Starting point is 00:35:21 which is you really went and got the Latin flavor. Because he could have gone like Urieta, which would have been like Jake Arietta. Well, we've been doing queso all week also around here. Yeah, that's because Chris Cody's been the one pronouncing it. And that's how, instead of saying queso, he says it queso. But Jeremy, what is the distinction you're making? To me, it's a damning indictment either way,
Starting point is 00:35:40 whether you're firing what is a good coaching staff for a young people team that needs a good coaching staff, or they're fleeing because they don't want to work for you anymore. Like you're making a distinction as a correction and both of them are pretty bad. Not necessarily the rest of the coaching staff. This is just Mel Stottlemeyer Jr. that I'm talking about where he has enough respect within the organization that it's one of those things where, hey, look, if you want to go
Starting point is 00:36:04 because we're getting rid of the rest of your coaching staff and you don't wanna deal with a whole brand new group, feel free, go find another program, another franchise that will appreciate what it is that you're doing. And I think that's a mistake. Like one way or another,
Starting point is 00:36:19 whether they fired him or whether they let him walk, they should have been begging to keep him. That's a major mistake. They did let go of the rest of these coaches. And it's shocking, but it's also, in some ways, unsurprising that you have a roster one season that makes the postseason, and the next season you lose 100 games,
Starting point is 00:36:36 and the players weren't all that different. So it's not shocking that you'd be getting rid of the majority of the coaching staff, except the reality is that we all know that Skip Schumacher is a great manager and several of those coaches are good coaches. Had they just not lost their entire starting staff and not gotten any level of replacements from the front office, this season wouldn't have been as desperate as it was. It's my biggest pet peeve in pro sports when things aren't going quite right or as right
Starting point is 00:37:04 as it did last year it's like you you literally I mean these are the actions of someone who doesn't know what's wrong you're like we'll get rid of everybody that way everything the whatever the bad is I don't know where it is but it's not gonna be here anymore because we got rid of everybody but you're not really sitting there and say wait is he really part of the problem no or maybe we keep him maybe we keep him maybe we keep keep him, maybe we keep him. And like you guys said, maybe Skip Schumacher's like,
Starting point is 00:37:27 I'm not gonna be part of picking and choosing. Either you're riding with me and the people I select, or you're not. But there is this knee-jerk reaction that everyone's gotta go. And I'm like, you didn't even identify what the issue was. The core problem that this franchise has is that it's bad at the business of this. And so if the solve every time is we have to strip it down
Starting point is 00:37:51 to nothing and tank in order to get the valuable draft picks that will fix it, you're playing a game a lot of other teams are playing, and you're playing it against teams that have money. So the Astros can make the playoffs seven straight years after losing 100 games every season for seven or eight years But if you keep having management turnover around that none of these things are an actual solver solution It's not even a strategy. You can't get the business right and therefore you can't get anything right
Starting point is 00:38:17 I find this one particularly interesting because they hired a guy in Peter Bendix who's in his 30s, right a young guy who? Has been told hey build it from the ground up. The issue was, hey, the minor league system is floundering with where it was left and the major league team isn't quite good enough to be able to get by when that minor league system is so bad. So what does Peter Bendix do? He gets incredibly aggressive with trades
Starting point is 00:38:40 throughout this entire season. He dismantles an entire roster that was in the postseason last year to build up a farm system and have not just the guys who are 18, 19 years old who won't be here for years, but several 22, 23 year olds guys in AAA, guys who have already made it to the bigs with the idea of you get a starting rotation back
Starting point is 00:38:59 that's young, you add these guys and you build from there. What he did throughout this season was clean house and start from scratch on the roster and now he's doing it within the coaching staff to put in the guys he wants there. It's a question of should Peter Bendix be given that level of power within this organization to build it all himself?
Starting point is 00:39:23 You ask some people, they say hey hey, he was part of the raise, he had a philosophy, he wants to do that. You ask others, it's, hey, he hasn't proven anything to me yet, so why am I to believe this won't be just another Derek Jeter or somebody else? Can I ask you guys a serious question, and I don't mean this to be as facetious as this sounds.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Oh boy. Are we sure about that? Ha ha ha ha. Inter Miami won some like serving dish, trophy, supporters cup thing, and like no one in this town Are we sure about that? Inter Miami won some like serving dish trophy supporters cup thing. And like no one in this town seems to care at all about that. And it could just be my circles.
Starting point is 00:39:53 No one's talking about the fact that you have the greatest soccer player of all time playing for your team. He comes back, he scores multiple goals in multiple games. They just win a trophy that they've never won before. Supporters shield trophy. That looks like a serving dish, yes or no? Look at the picture. A huge turnaround and Messi when he came back
Starting point is 00:40:07 had two goals in four minutes. And zero people in this town, at least in the circles that I'm talking about, and like we work in sports, have any interest in this whatsoever. No one's talking about this at all. So they won the equivalent of the President's Trophy. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:40:24 They won the Biden Cup, the soccer Biden Cup. They won the Supporters Shield Trophy. The thing that I believe might be happening with Billy, I don't know because you're more likely than anyone but Tony to be in these circles. English-speaking folks might not be talking about what Messi is doing in MLS, but I do hear all over South Florida,
Starting point is 00:40:45 Spanish speaking folks talking about, okay. How many Spanish speaking folks and just Spanish speaking folks are you around? I don't know. I live in Westchester. Yeah, I would think. All of them. Okay, well.
Starting point is 00:40:58 You have the greatest soccer player of all time playing for your hometown team, and you'd think this would be a big deal, like the Heat big three, like oh my gosh, look we have greatness here that we're witnessing and there's just, am I wrong? Is there a- You don't talk to your neighbors though.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Is there a buzz? Well, one side, the other side, no. But I don't feel a buzz around. Do you guys feel a buzz? Am I wrong about this entirely? Not yet. Aren't they like four points away from being the greatest team in MLS history?
Starting point is 00:41:26 I don't know, because no one's talking about that. Like if you're four points away, wouldn't everyone be excited about this? Hold on, are they four points away on a Tuesday when the weather is 75 degrees and there's only 13 minutes left in the hour? Is that, is it one of those stats? It's stoppage time, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:41 Okay, all right. To be fair, I don't know what the supporters shield the trophy is. Can you get me some information on the supporters shield trophy? It's thepage time, yeah. Okay, all right. To be fair, I don't know what the Supporters Shield Trophy is. Can you get me some information on the Supporters Shield Trophy? It's, yeah, like regular season, the best regular season team essentially is what they won. Does Inter Miami have like a Magnum P.I. night or something? Like why should I care?
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