The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Whose Fault is This?

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

David Samson and his connectivity issues are here for his Wednesday Local Hour as we kick things off with the huge news of Mark Cuban selling his majority stake in the Dallas Mavericks. Then, Jessica used to work for Sports Illustrated and leads our conversation on the bombshell story of their use of Artificial Intelligence and passing it off as human writers. Plus, KFitz makes us Fall Apart, Billy has an update on Hard Knocks, and Jess may disagree with Lucy for the first time...ever. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Don't LaboTar Show with this 2GOTS podcast. David Simpson joined us every Wednesday to spend some time covering a lot of terrain and I want to start to got with the big news from yesterday Mark Cuban ends up in a deal that's reported Unlike most deals you will ever see on this front That he I think he bought the team for under 300 million and now he sells them for $3 billion and it's reported according to Mark Stein that he's going to still have power over things and a substantive, you know, stake in the team.

Really? That's what's being reported. Okay. But I've seen David Samson sell the team. Well, but if you're gonna sell the team, sell the team and don't lose any of the power, that would be a better way to sell the team. It's amazing. I mean, I can't believe he's getting away with it.

Well, is he getting away with it, David? No. I cannot see a scenario. And you're right, it's being reported everywhere. And I don't know why, because you can have a step transaction where there's a path to control, like what A-Rod is doing with the Minnesota Timberwolves, where you agree on a price and you pay installments,

and then when you're done paying the installments, you get control of the team, and you're a limited partner until you become the general partner. That's pretty common. But to sell the team outright a majority share, and then still maintain control I've never seen it and I would find it extremely hard to believe that it's happening in this instance

I believe the reporting is wrong on this case David could the reporting be accurate, but this is all just part of the plan This wouldn't be the first time that a transition has the previous ownership still an active first time that a transition has the previous ownership still an active leadership roles as they slowly get phased out and the new ownership inevitably will take control sometime later. That's the step transaction, but according to the NBA, there's just one control person like in baseball and they call it an NBA, they call it the governor of the team. It's like the control person in baseball.

Mark Cuban is not selling the team to Miriam Adelson and then still maintaining his spot as the control person. The NBA just would not allow that. I frankly would be surprised if Miriam Adelson herself as a 78 year old becomes the main control person. It would not surprise me if it ends up being one of her children or one of her sons and daughter's in law. But we'll see how this transaction plays out. But all the initial reporting, even Cuban himself saying that I'm still gonna run basketball operations, they're not hiring him to run basketball operations.

I don't see a scenario where that happens. I think that he just is either misinformed, doesn't want to admit it, or there's other reasons why he's selling whatever the case may be. I think when more news comes out on this and the actual vote happens by the other teams in the NBA, it will be if Mark Cuban sells to the Adelson family, it will be he could keep a limited peace as a minority shareholder, the way the will ponds have a

little piece of the mess still, but I do not believe that he will be involved in any of the running of the team. It has been an interesting week for Mark Cuban. A lot of life changes for, but I do not believe that he will be involved in any of the running of the team. It has been an interesting week for Mark Cuban. A lot of life changes for him. I don't know what he's prepping for, but if this is subject to approval by the Board of Governors, wouldn't they want to approve this? Because that's a pretty sweet deal for an owner that's selling the team. Wait, I get to sell my toy, but I make a huge amount of money on it and I get to run

the toy. Why wouldn't the other owners go for that? Yeah, I just don't think, I just don't think that's part of the deal. I'm not saying the other owners wouldn't go for that. We're that to be presented to them. I just don't see anyone doing a purchase agreement where they're putting in billions of dollars into something and then saying, by the way, we don't want to run it.

We just want to put the billions of dollars in. Is it possible this is the first ever such transaction? I would put it at under 1%. And as for Mark Cuban, don't forget he's the one who could never get 23 votes to own a baseball team. There was a, and I was actually on the other side of that. It didn't bother me having Mark Cuban as an owner in baseball. It bothered the commissioner and it bothered a bunch of the other owners because they thought

that he would be too much of a shit to sturber. Oh, sorry, too much of a disturbor. And they just didn't want that in ownership in baseball. And it turns out in basketball, he's been just that. A very good player's owner, he's got a ring. But I think he may lead the league and fines paid. And he's just always been all over David Stern and then Adam Silver. So I'm not sure that there are two of set to seem go though.

I was surprised at the valuation. That's pretty low given that the suns went for four. I was pretty surprised that Dallas went for three five or even under three five. There could be something going on with that deal where they need a new arena or the team is not making money or something's happening that the valuation was so low. What is more likely here that this is part of a transition period? You're saying it's unlikely that any of this results in Mark Cuban still having the power

over the team. But when he gets out of Shark Tank after 16 years, when Darren Revelle is out here saying, is this about a presidential run? And you're getting a lot of people wondering what's fair to assume why Mark Cuban would divest, even though he's selling, you're saying he's selling low, but this is a pretty good time to sell teams. If you think the NBA has reached its top on what it is, the rights are going to be and

that we've reached the top of value. What's the most likely thing that we're in transition of leadership that happens when you have new ownership or that he's trying to get away from something? Well, it's certainly possible, but we've talked about this on sporting class with John Skipper, the CEO of MetalArk, that there's going to be a huge rights fee increase in this next deal that Adam Silver is going to get. Again, we're having the type of problem. It's only happening with him. Samson. Samson. I think it happened with Joe Buck maybe as well. It happened like once. We've had plenty of guys. We missed most of what you said.

We missed the second half of what you said. We missed the second half of what you saw over. Just did a Zoom show. Yeah, okay. But it's also only happening with you. Go ahead, start again, and if it happens again, we're gonna get rid of you. Go ahead, finish what you were saying.

Never an issue on nothing personal. Got it, but yes, it's got to be. Never an issue with that part of you. Yeah, sorry. Well, we seem to be at a bit of a... Oh, in issue with that. Mike. Mike. Wait, no, no, no. Finish your point. No, why would I ever finish a point with you when you say that?

That's so ridiculous to say. Okay. It really is. Can't start your point. Can you continue the point so that we can hear it? Damn. I will continue the point if you want. The point is this, you don't have to sell an asset if you want to run for

president. Donald Trump didn't sell the assets. He put them in a trust. Woody Johnson, when he became the ambassador in the UK, put the team in a trust, a blind trust. So this is not a sale because he's running for president, because there's no reason to do it in that way. In terms of him thinking there's a bubble, there's never been a bubble in franchise asset

valuations. Is he so far ahead of everyone intellectually from a value standpoint that he sees this as the height of franchise values? That would make him the smartest owner in the history of owners. I wanted to talk about a story that came out this week. Jessica worked at Sports Illustrated.

We've talked for a bit around here, Stu Gatz, about how sad it is to see one of the marquee journalism sports brands anywhere in the history of sports and certainly sports writing deteriorate and dilute in a way that you now have a controversy involving fake writers created by artificial intelligence that sports illustrated is denying our fake writers not actual human beings. I saw a press release from sports illustrated that said everything we've done here has been done by humans and I don't believe it. Where Jessica how did you receive all of that news? I mean it's very depressing but totally, given that I worked for these people

and I know what the people who are in charge of this company are like, no. And I think it's entirely fair to not believe anything that they say, because they have proven time and time again that they do not actually care about journalism, they don't care in investing in journalism, they don't care about having real people write stories. And there's still a lot of really great journalists that work at Sports Illustrated. And I'm proud of the work that we did to unionize the company to protect some of those jobs

way back a few years ago, but totally unsurprising to see that this happened and that they, if all of this is true that the links they went to to try to pretend like none of this happened and where are the good guys here? That's just straight out of the Sports Illustrated Management Playbook. I was wondering whether it's the line that bothered you more than the actual fact of having AI do articles. Was it the cover-up? Was it the line of they did fake bios of people?

They did fake pictures of people. Was that the issue for you or just having AI in general? Because that was the union issue for the writers and the actors recently in Hollywood. Yeah, and I actually don't remember if this was ever something that came up and bargaining for us because it was a few years before, it was on my radar certainly, but I left before the contract was actually ratified.

But yeah, I mean, I think when you're an audience, you expect that the story that you're reading in a site such as Sports Illustrated is something that's written by a real person, edited by a real person, meets a certain standard that you're used to from this brand and from this company. And I think that when this current operator of Sports Illustrated came in and laid off, you know, almost 40% of the staff, it showed then, in there what their commitment to journalism actually was. So, again, I'm not really surprised.

And I think it's a total disservice to everyone that still works there that is doing great work. There's still, if you follow a number of reporters there, they're breaking news constantly, they're writing good stories. And this is what they're up against. They're up against management that does not care in the work itself. They don't care to employ real people to do it. And they certainly think that this, you know, there's something that they can get away with.

I don't know if you saw the union statement that they released. Did you, did you see that at all? Yes, I did see that. So it was a fascinating statement where one of their main points was that this is, it's embarrassing to us and it's unacceptable to have anyone not a human do a story

and it's almost guilt by association where we look bad as writers. Well, yeah, I mean, if you click on a link from Sports Illustrated and you see a byline, you now can, it's fair to assume wonder, hmm, does this person exist? Because I wrote a story that they were using an AI site to populate stories and to populate bios and author pages.

So yeah, I mean, I think at muddies, the water's completely. This is exactly why the writers on strike this summer like didn't want this to be something that they could have to contend with. That you should not, it's so obvious to me why this is a problem that I don't even think it has to be explained. It is just mind-boggling that they would do this.

Then immediately as soon as they're questioned about it, delete everything and pretend like they're, you know, the company. That was too prism who broke the story. It wasn't going to have any sort of receipts on it. I guess I would say though, when you buy a car, are you notified or does it matter to you when it was assembled by people versus when they switched over to machines or to robots or to AI? Well, you just want to be told that or is the fact, what if the story is quality and I'm

not backing what they did, I completely disagree and the fact that they lied about it and then deleted it all is outrageous. But what if that is the future though? I think a car is a bad comparison to sports writing personally. Don Lebertard. Oh, I like firing people. So I take the opportunity to fire whenever I possibly can

because I can use it as a learning experience for them and try to help them out and try to point out what they did wrong. But in this case, the employee was enough levels below where I was that I did not do the firing, but I had it done within moments of discovery. I'm just like firing people. It's absurd. It's absurd. Still gots.

I'm talking about people who I fire who deserve it, who have done something that actively requires me to fire them. It is my unadulterated pleasure to do so. This is the Don Lebertar Show with a Stugat. Stugats is just seeing some of these fake people that were created on a monitor and here. Let's just show one of them because these authors had rather ornate bios. Like one of them was an outdoors man. These authors were not, it wasn't simply some important part of a bio though Dan.

I mean like the outdoors you have to throw it in there if you want me to believe it. Bow Hunter. Yes. The teeth, by the way, the teeth in the hands, always a giveaway. Like, what's going on with this guy? I don't, but they were also creating profiles of writers that were people of color too.

Like, this, that is so unethical. A diverse staff. It doesn't, it doesn't, right. Yes, yes. You know what? That's right. Way to go, way to go way to go away AI you were diverse. It doesn't matter the drawer. T's looks like Luca in all of your fakery

Yeah, drawer T's looks like all the Latin people we have around here other than Tony But if you're gonna create fake people. What is that? Don't you create fake people who are diverse? Yes? I mean, I think that that- credit words do. I think we're getting better. I mean, that right there is your giveaway that it's not sports- ultra straight-ass. The artificial intelligence is getting smarter by not making everything We are so bleeped in the future when this stuff gets advanced, advanced and evolved beyond where it is because I'm reading. I mean, this is a, this is from Sports Illustrated's actual Twitter account. AdVon, which is the third party they are blaming this on, AdVon, and AdVon sounds like a corrupt criminal organization from the future. The V in the middle of it is capitalized in it.

Advan has assured us. This is a real sentence written by sports illustrated. Advan has assured us that all of the articles in question were written and edited by humans. I feel better. Advan said it. I feel better. I mean. That violence problem, I mean. The problem is that when you lose the journalist to credibility, it doesn't come back. And what the arena group was trying to do with this story

by deleting it off the web is they actually thought that that would help turn a kid the story, but it actually gave it legs. So whoever were their advisors, maybe they were AI advisors or I robot advisors, but it ended up having the opposite impact. We're now at C-Huge Focus, where everybody now, every article will be scrutinized in a way that never was before.

I think they're done. Arena Group may have to sell the asset. I don't know if that is going to happen. They just uplisted on the New York Stock Exchange this past February, and I saw that their stock price took a big dip after the story came out. But the interesting thing about what's happened to Sports Illustrated is that the arena group is formerly called Maven, which if you remember when that whole Sports Illustrated thing happened in 2019 when I was there, Maven got a lot of really bad press because after Maven was given the job to operate

sports illustrated from the company that purchased sports illustrated from Meredith, which is a publishing company that publishes a number of magazines. They then laid off almost half of our staff and they had no previous real history of running a magazine or running a digital publication. And it was very obvious to those of us that worked at Sports Illustrated that that was actually not a great partner for Sports Illustrated to end up with after the sale of the company which was years long kind of turmoil for employees where we didn't know what was going to happen and who was going to get laid off and where.

It was actually really personally frustrating because after Maven, which is now the arena group, got the licensing or the operating contract from ABG, they laid off most of the staff, like I said, but there were a number of us who worked for Sports Illustrated that were quote unquote, permalancers. So I worked for Sports Illustrated,

but I wasn't actually paid by Sports Illustrated. I wasn't able to get health insurance. I wasn't So I worked for Sports Illustrated, but I wasn't actually paid by Sports Illustrated. I wasn't able to get health insurance. I wasn't able to do the Sports Illustrated, or Meredith 401K, but I was paid from this third party contractor, which the company that bought Sports Illustrated didn't know that there were employees that were getting paid that were not part of

the final line item on their budget, right? So like 30 of us didn't know if we were late off or not for like six months. So I just went into work every day and the paychecks were caching, but they had no idea what to do with us. It was incredibly disorganized and frustrating. And we were just like, okay, well,

I guess go to work tomorrow, I don't know. We don't know if you work here or not. That was basically the case for months, David. It was... Were you getting paid not to work or were you generating articles? Well, I was actually a video producer at this time and I actually, this time period was when I wrote

a story for the magazine and the entire time I was not sure if I still worked at sports illustrated or not and I ended up going to do this story not knowing, A, if I was gonna get paid B, if it would ever get published, C, if my expenses would be reimbursed, it was just so confusing and so sloppy. And so for that to be like the introduction

to the world to this Maven company, which is now the arena group, none of this is surprising. They just, like my opinion is that, they don't know what they're doing, they don't understand journalism, they don't understand the business, they don't understand why people like sports illustrated, why people read sports illustrated, the value of sports illustrated and what the brand could be or could have been had they not done all

of this to the company. And it's just incredibly frustrating and disappointing. One of the things that we have to face, though, is that when it's a publicly traded stock like that, the decisions are not made based on employees and the quality of their work. It's based on share price. And there's such a crushing thing happening with published magazines. As you know, it becomes all digital, and the robber base goes down, so your revenue pot

goes down, and you just have to cut expenses. And we're seeing that in media companies across the board where people are losing jobs left and right, including ESPN and everywhere, as they're trying to figure out how to make money. So I'm not surprised by any of that. What surprised me about this story, though, was how quick they were to delete it. That's to me was the real problem here. We can argue AI is not ideal for journalism and I would tend to agree. But the fact that they realized how wrong

they were and deleted it shows how badly mismanaged it was and how guilty they are. And that's what I think they're going to have a hard time coming back from. We are thrilled to have Jessica here at Metal Arc Media, but I did not realize that she was Milton from office space at Sports Illustrated where she was walking around for six months, not knowing if she was employed there, just marching toward the office and not asking anybody about in six months, hey, do I still work here? I think that Sports Illustrated should really sink into this and start calling themselves AI instead of SI.

How about that? That's a good idea. Put it on the poll that is Stugat and Dorsing his own idea at LeBetard Show. Should SI become AI at LeBetard Show? This obviously makes me very sad Stugat's not an avid reader, doesn't care about information, doesn't care whether things are real as long as his paycheck is i'm not sure any of you guys know about this or we're going to switch gears here um but you guys remember the the cold backflip celebration that tirey kale had a couple of weeks ago yeah where he took a cell phone and recorded himself there was a social media

person that was working with the NFL behind that he goes by the name-FITS and he just put out this video on social media and want to get your reactions to it. This is how I got my credentials suspended for the rest of the NFL season at 20 years old. In week six of this season, Tyree scored a touchdown in the exact same corner of the end zone that I was filming in. He noticed me and surprised me by grabbing my phone and doing a backflip. It was the coolest moment ever.

I ran in the tunnel to send the clip to the NFL. Tyree got a penalty for the celebration and was immediately asked about it after the game. I know I seen the camera and I just took it from them and he didn't want me to take it from them so that's my boy K-feet, man. The NFL then let me know that I would be suspended for the remainder of the season and possibly for good. They said regardless if I knew the celebration was coming or not I still had to be disciplined and that I shouldn't have jumped on the sidelines after the flip. One of the best moments of my life turned upside down and it mattered seconds.

I get why the NFL had to make this decision and wish I could have done something to prevent it, but I'm thankful for the memory that Tyrie gave me. That is such a smart play by this kid, by the way, to do what is in his locker and make a social media video to get the public on his side and to put Post Malone's fall apart behind it to make you feel sad. I feel like we did. I wasn't sure whether to be sad or not. There's a guy doing a backflip. He's in. It looks like a happy moment. I'm all excited though. Is that smart though? Like even if the public gets behind him, when does the NFL bow to public pressure? Like, no, no, wait, he's gonna get fired now.

Oh, I know, he never worked with the NFL again. Yeah, but no, but he just created another opportunity for himself because somebody's gonna hire him. No, he's gonna want to hire him. Okay, I like, he's based out of my aiming. Yeah, but we did that with the guy that ran the Houston Rockets Twitter account for weekend and then what happened to that person?

Steven A Smith is now giving that guy a great job. No, no, it's a different guy, but Bailey Corlin the former xfl guy yet no he's blown up former sports illustrated yeah uh... that is uh... that is correct you it is a good move it's a good strategic move there's no one who's going to side in that instance with the nfl this is how things work now though dan like you Like you go viral on TikTok complaining about like a product you got that sucked or a job you had that was they treated you unfairly and then like something you make an opportunity

out of it. If you're lucky enough to go viral, I have no doubt that this will work out for this person now. You disagree, Samson? I do. Why would you sacrifice your career? Why would you burn a bridge? You should never burn bridges in business and he burned the NFL bridge and maybe he'll have a moment of being viral

or he'll get to monetize it for one quick moment, one quick second, but you gotta play the long game when you're in that business. What's the long game? He's suspended for the year. It seems as though the bridge is already burned. So why not open up? And next year is so soon.

You think you're gonna have to do some media? I don't know if I gotta bring him around next year. If they already did this, they're not David. You've never burned II. So like that 22 20 also. What do you also do? But how did he? I'm by putting it out and gaining public sympathy.

Like his tack was very professional, which was smart on his part to be like it was an opportunity to lifetime. I'm so grateful to the NFL. He didn't put blame on the NFL. We're watching that, and we're thinking that the NFL's a bad guy's because of post Malone's fall apart. Don't embarrass your boss.

That's a general rule of thumb. Look at how I'm dressed. I can't even. I do it every day, David. I didn't do this to myself. I don't wanna do the credit death anymore. I haven't wanted to do it for five years. Don Lebatard, Tristin Shelk, Stugatz.

Tristin Shelk. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugatz. We are partners now with Max. Our show will be on daily at 11 a.m. Eastern Monday through Friday and Billy, as a good corporate partner, has been consuming, binging hard knocks. And he has been our correspondent in season. This is the most interesting dolphin team of this century for a lot of different reasons. And this is probably the best dolphin team of this century. Let's get some sound here going of Tyree K Kill talking about just how good he believes that these dolphins are before we get to Billy's analysis to gots of hard knocks because what I've seen so far, this inside

of a look of a local sports team, even though it's edited, even though it's polished, this is something that I have not seen outside of David Samson's marlins when they did something like this with showtime and then the show quickly ended because none of the players, none of the coaches, nobody wanted that controversy around, but listen to Tyrick Hill, Tyrick Hill telling you here how good he thinks these dolphins are. Tyrick, do you think you can go all the way? We love you. All the way to the Super Bowl? Yeah.

Of course, man, we got the perfect team to do it. The way our head coach prepares us each and every week, man, it's next level. And he keeps each and every one of his guys in tune with the game plan and how we keep attention to detail each and every week. So it's a beautiful thing to see. Like the way we practice, like the way we play for one another is something that I've never seen before in a team. Like I want a Super Bowl and I feel like this is probably

the better team than when we want a Super Bowl back when I was on KC. Obviously, man. So, but all we got to do though is we got to come out obviously. We got to practice we got to do though is we got to come out, obviously, we got to practice, we got to prepare, and we got to make sure we show up on game day. You feel me? No, I know. It can look good on people, but we obviously got to get it down on Sundays.

What do you think can stop you as a team? I say ourselves. You feel me, um, these past few games, like we've been turning the ball over and we can't do that. And it starts with the leaders, it starts with myself, it starts with two, it starts with, you know, um, Waddle, it starts with guys like that, um, you know, the start players, um, making plays, not turning the ball over, and just being able to convert third downs. If we're able to do that and, you know, keep our defense off the field, we'll be all right. 75 days to go until the Super Bowl. It's on CBS. This team right

here is going to be there for a second on the pregame. We got the call up. Hey, okay. Are you going to be there? Yes, I will be there and hopefully your routes will be better. I know some time to practice the world. That's from Paramount Plus. Now, this is from the same Tyree Kill who told you when he was with the chiefs that they were going to win six or seven of them. And he's the same Tyree Kill that he could prove into us again.

Five without him. That the words don't really necessarily matter because he says a bunch of stuff. Same way Jimmy Butler does. He misses the shot against the next. He guarantees he's going to make the next one. I don't miss that one. And then guarantee you'll make the next one. The words don't particularly have any kind of importance. Also on hard knocks, man, they are doing a glossy job of trying to fix his image and all of the things that have happened with him in the past going into his personal life

and showing you a side of Tyree kill that we have not seen before. But Billy, what are the things that you have seen on hard knocks that are interesting to you? Well, so last night was episode two of hard knocks in the season with the dolphins or whatever it's called. I don't want to spoil anything for anyone, but it was a sad episode because it was featuring Jalen Phillips from the very beginning of the episode. Oh, wow. And if you watch the Black Friday, I don't want to spoil anything for anyone. You know how that story is going to end. So it's pretty depressing because the entire episode we're building up, how hard he's worked to come back from this. How he at one point just gave up playing football in college.

I think for two years before he came back. It's the first run traffic. The best season of his career so far and then the Black Friday game. So Billy, hold on a second. So they did all this. Did they show the injury? No spoilers, obviously.

Did they show an injury to a certain person? What injury? In a game? An injury, just an injury. Did they show that injury? Is it updated with the Black Friday information? Yes, and post Black Friday information. So they went to the director and said,

you know what, we're gonna do this week. I think they have what happened today on yesterday's episode somehow. It's crazy how up to date it is. So they said, you know what, we're gonna go this route. This episode is just gonna be up, Jaylin Phillips tearing you to the couch. So much, so much so that I wonder

was there funny business to make the episode better You know what I mean because the story was told so perfectly script that I'm like guys How did we decide this is the week we're profiling him? How do we have interviews with Mike McDaniel going to him before the game saying this is your game America is going to discover you today. They're the whole country's watching you. You're gonna be a household named after today. And we were painting this beautiful picture

about how this is the best season of his career. And then, well, they're volume shooters, right? There's plenty of people that watch hard knocks. So I was like, I'm never profiled. I sat down with those guys for four hours and then didn't use any of it. They just have their cameras on everything. Then they take the result and they build

their narrative after that. We actually spoke to Javan Holland yesterday and we were at, for this week's episode of Guy with School. And we were asking him how that's been and how Hardducks has been. And he's like, we really don't even notice the cameras. Like the actual cameras are only present when there's like media availability. and everything else is kind of hidden

And we only really see like a camera where we're in the big team meetings is everything else I guess is like mounted or it's just they're hidden amongst the other cameras that are there. I'd love to see the scrub NFL videos that are all over I've heard legends. I'm gonna share it before about the Josh Norman O.B.J. game, which is this is like the holy grail of NFL films footage because the things that they were saying to each other on that field would cancel the entire sport.

Yeah, you have to imagine that the script writers will start to go down a certain path and then by midway through the season be like, no, this one's not working. We have to can all the stuff we pre-shot, right, Billy? Sure. When we went, I didn't understand the question. Always good when Billy decides to go and yes with improv.

Are you saying that Jalen Phillips gets hurt and then they decide, hey, let's do the episode on Jalen Phillips. Let's build them up and then he has the injury. They have a handful of injury-benefit of them. Well, they have a handful of players that they know that they're going to profile. Jalen Phillips, I mean, the retirement, the medical retirement is well known about them. So they have a couple of marquee players

that they know that they're going to profile because inevitably they're going to have big games throughout the season. That story kind of writes itself and then you have the amazing ending and you reverse engineer from there. I don't know if this was in this episode or is in a future episode

because the cameras are indeed everywhere. But when we went to the dolphin facilities, all of us were saying, hey, look, Dan Marino has an office here. A small office. We thought it'd be bigger. What do you think Dan Marino does here? And then I read reports that Jalen Phillips' mom after that came in that injury wept on the actual shoulder of Dan Marina. He told us that last night, yeah,

he was saying how much it meant that the whole team was there. I was actually thinking yesterday because they showed, like, in the press conferences, they showed the reporters, like, asking the questions in, like, super HD, and I'm wondering, like, are the reporters getting makeup done before they asked these questions

because, like, not everyone looks great, right? And I was actually thinking maybe, and I don't know if this is something that we want to endorse. It's thinking maybe because I feel like Chris Cody is the perfect person for this role. Maybe we just kind of send Chris Cody very often to these like media day things just to see if he can get on hard knocks by asking questions. So like turn Chris Cody into an actual reporter, now with the intention of getting actual journalism out of it or anything of substance, just getting him on hard knocks.

New media. Yeah. What do you think? I think it's a great idea. I think he'd be down for this. Of course he would. I agree, and it would put him as someone who's at the Dolphin facility a lot more than his father over the last 10 years.

Well, we'd accidentally turn Chris into an actual journalist just trying to get him on hard knocks. him as someone who's at the dolphin facility a lot more than his father over the last 10 years. Well, we'd accidentally turn Chris into an actual journalist just trying to get him on hard knocks. You know what I mean? Like, he'd have to go in and he'd have to prep. You'd have to have informed questions that they would actually need to use on hard knock because that's the thing. You need to ask the question that you think they'll use.

That's correct. Not an actual good question, just a question that'll be good for them. That is exactly right Jessica had a shocking take did not like black Friday football. I didn't like Black Friday NFL football Dan black Friday is a day for college football games and the NFL just decided to Plop right in the middle there at three o'clock and put a game on my TV that I just didn't need to watch I don't need to watch the Jets ever especially not on black Friday all right Give me the three games on Thanksgiving and then give

me a two day break where I can watch college football and don't interrupt me with some silly NFL games that don't need to happen. You have probably been very frustrated that you haven't been able to give all of your college football takes here after so much happened over the weekend. I've been given them all in goal against many check us out. Draftkins Network every Tuesday. Well done. But I did say here, I imagine that you were frustrated that you couldn't do it here.

No need to fear Dan. Lucy and I will have a segment this week where we will get to, I think, disagree on the state of Florida state this college football play season. You're going to disagree on the state of Florida state that is now in the top four. I think we may actually disagree on something for once. I'm scared. I don't want to do that. Have you agreed on a name to what it is you're doing?

No. It can be that. Could it be foot girls? No. You're working on an open. You're working on an open time, but you need agreement and partnership. I mean, not when you're trying to gain an algorithm,

they don't see it right now, but my big man brain is working on a way to really grow this show. Think the word you're looking for, Dan, is consent. Well, I was gonna say it, but I thought it was too dangerous. That is, I got near it, and then I backed away. And I've been into controversy lately lately.

I'm violating anybody here. I'm just putting some window dressing around it. You know, punching it up. A good old punch up. Right. But this does it with them, you know. Well, he has and they've rejected it because he's got a big man brain. He's moving forward anyway. He's moving forward anyway. He's moving forward. He's got a big man brain works. Yeah. He continues to move forward. A drew or tease on a very excited about. I thought it was interesting that the committee put Florida state into the playoff. They moved them up to number four. They're basically saying, FSU, win and you're in.

Yes. And they don't have their best player in their quarterback. Well, so what? That makes it more impressive. You can't hold that against them. I thought, look, Florida's a garbage team, very undisciplined. But if you watch that game, considering the start that Florida went out, uh, went to start that game with and how raucous that crowd was,

that was really impressive. Rottermaker didn't look like he could do anything and they come back and they even covered that spread. It can't punish them because Jordan Travis got hurt. If anything, you reward them for the impressive victories. Now they so have to win the ACC championship. Louisville's coming off of a loss, but you can't keep an ACC undefeated champion with those performances out of the college football playoff just because Jordan Travis got Louisville is so much better than Florida though. Yeah, we'll see, and

we'll see how that win gets rated if they win. They have to beat. They're saying Louisville and you're in. I'm saying when i'm saying is right flora flora was bad all season and then flora with their backup quarterback is worse that that victory is uh... to me wildly unimpressive however it is they come by it because flora estate is a good deal better than flora but it'll they'll be showing me something after having the close game at boston college after having the difficult game at clemson they will be showing me something after having the close game at Boston college after having the difficult game at Clemson they will be showing me something if they can actually be the Louisville team i know to be good whether they

lose to contact you're not that team is good at offense and it's rivalry weekend any given saturday or friday at thursday night you