The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: You Don't Think Matthew Stafford is a Nerd?

Episode Date: September 1, 2023

Matthew Stafford's wife Kelly announced on her podcast that Stafford has struggled to connect with teammates, and Billy wants him to loosen up. Then, Evan Turner sparks a conversation on NBA refs, we have a new top tier baseball ejection video, and Amin takes umbrage with the way Dan presented the Stephen A. Smith/Lonzo Ball conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunlabel Tarshall with the Stugat's Podcast. The podcast industry is obviously bulging with competition. A whole lot of people saw that the Indianapolis punter retires, gets so giant in Pat McAfee that he is now also, even though he's great at professional wrestling, quitting professional wrestling, because he's got to devote his time to his 15 employees

and a big move to ESPN. He took a pay cut to go to ESPN. His deal with Fandall was bigger, but he wants reach and all the other athletes have seen this. So even Paul George is spending time doing a podcast. The Kelsey's every everyone's noticing that There is a lot of money available to you, but the competition makes it so there are so many people in a crowded market and most of these podcasts don't get more than 5,000 as an audience the grand majority 90 plus percent of podcasts available to you right now Don't have much of an audience. I don't know what the audience is for Kelly Stafford, Matthew Stafford's wife's podcast,

but on it, she revealed of a champion quarterback that he does not connect with his teammates who are too young in any way because they're always in their phones and there is a generation gap between Matthew Stafford who I was shocked to learn is only 35 years old. Shocked. I was shocked to learn that for some reason.

I think of Matthew Stafford's body as being 65 because all of it's broken because he's taken so many hits and played so much bad football in Detroit that I assume that he is 30 years older than he is and that he has fossil, actual fossil bones. But he's 35. I thought that story was fake. Just because I don't trust anything, I read on the internet anymore.

It was just like Matthew Stafford struggling to connect with his younger teammates. He doesn't know how to gel with him. I'm like, that just sounds like we're making fun of him for being old. I didn't realize his wife said it. And even so, I still don't know if it's a real story. I don't either.

Because I'm scared of the internet at this point, and the number of fake stories, and how easily fake I am. But if Matthew Stafford feels old at 35 with social media, how do you imagine I feel at 54? Not good. If there's not a connection in your locker room, explain this to me, and if it matters at all. Because all of it, I'm talking about all of it. Does it matter if you are Matthew Stafford, you're trying to avoid headlines, but your wife has a podcast in which she has

now gotten aggregated in a way that points out to the country. I don't know if he wanted it known. I don't know if Matthew Stafford wants his young teammates to know that he has nothing in common with them, but it's out there now because everybody is talking into a microphone, everyone is on social media. And Matthew Stafford somehow is a dinosaur that already comes from a different age when he was playing college football. There was not social media or was the advent of social media. And his wife is saying something that has to be true in all locker rooms, correct? I don't know what Aaron Rogers has in common with sauce gardener, even though they seem to be spending a lot of time together. But I imagine most old quarterbacks in that league,

and I can't imagine what it was like for Brady. Don't have a connection point with the generation that is 21 years old and also sharing a locker room. That they're the generational divide there. If it's enormous for Matthew Stafford, what was it for Brady? Who's 10 years older than Stafford? Oh no, Brady connects with everyone still. I feel like, oh, Maddie just needs to loosen up a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, we see the videos of Kurt Cudson on the plane wearing the chains of some of his teammates dancing super jack, surprisingly jacked by the way. They all seem to love him. Aaron Rogers just walks around and does secret hand shakes that just all involve like pretending

that he's smoking weed and everybody loves him. Like, I feel like that's all that Matthew Stafford has to do, right? Just like, want to be one of the guys and just get made fun of for being a nerd because you're probably a nerd. And then he'll be fine. Or retire. Why do you think Matthew Stafford is probably a nerd? How he's probably a nerd, come on. Okay, thank you for the elaborate.

You know what I mean? He says he can't. He can't make friends with people like that's nerd shit. You know? Is it not? Is it not? I mean, you can make friends with other nerds, but look, and that's coming from me.

It's not like I'm walking around with a bunch of friends. I don't have any friends. So I can relate to Matthew Stafford. Also Matthew Stafford, for some reason when I hear his name, I see the face of Sam Bradford. Put it on the pole, Judeo Atletaar Show. When you hear the name Matthew Stafford, do you see the face of Sam Bradford? I was like, this guy's still in the league. I was like, I know they're different people, but they both played on the Rams. And then the Rams moved. It's a whole confusing thing. You are misrepresenting both what Matthew Stafford feels and what Kelly, Kelly Stafford says when you say, nerd shit, he doesn't have any friends. That's

not what she was saying. As white doesn't count as his friend, they're married. She doesn't have a choice. She was not saying that he doesn't have friends in the locker room. What she was saying is that the younger generation immediately after practice or a meeting, Matthew Stafford wants to connect like a good old-fashioned leader, caveman, and his players, his teammates, the guys who serve him because the quarterback is the leader.

They're all in their phones. Stafford can't lead a champion anymore, even though he threw a no- look pass in the Super Bowl. Let's not forget that please on the game winning drive. Just in the Super Bowl, Matthew Stafford decided I'm going to no look this, even though you know I'm going to Cooper Cup, everyone knows you all know you cannot stop it. I'm going to no look at that one of Super Bowl in a year and a half later. Old get out of the league.

None of the players you're broken physically. When Billy says you're loosening up. You need to loosen up. Yeah, loosen up. That seems like his body needs WD 40. Like I feel like you can put Matthew Stafford on doubtful for that week's game, Rigamortis, just because what his body had to endure playing for the any always played. He didn't miss any games for Detroit. Getting tackled again and again is the only player on those lions team.

Lions are going to be good now as soon as he leaves. As soon as he leaves the lion, I heard people talking about the lions and the Super Bowl regardless. He's 35, he's made of dinosaur bones, and Billy says nerd shit, no friend. Well, I didn't, his wife said that. I'm just, you know, speaking in a language that his teammates would understand. Does it matter? No! Well, she didn't say it on TikTok,

they're not gonna find out anyway. That's a thing. Just make a TikTok, Maddie. You know what I mean? And then they'll see you. What's the big deal? That wouldn't be nerd shit. Call yourself Maddie.

Exactly. Call yourself Maddie. Maddie Stafford. Mm-hmm. Did we talk enough? Dyer hair. About a sports story that the media and did sports shows in general talk enough about what Evan Turner is alleging that has now been voiced by Gilbert

Arinas and others these are zero. These are thank you. Fakes to got these are players former players in the NBA. You can knock Evan Turner if you want. Knock the careers of Gilbert Arena's if you want. But when old guys or former players from the NBA point out to you and put their name on the league is fixed, is this irresponsible? Or are you somebody who tends to believe it because you already know how bad the refereeing is at all turns you're always questioning the referee and so

therefore you agree with having turner when he says i think what is a fairly shocking allegation that i don't feel is getting any echoing traction i don't know if it's because it's having turned our surely if lebron said it or current athlete said it would be the bill and would be it would be something that would get traction but this really hasn't. And they'd be like, why? And I can't say. I can't say, but I'm like, no, fam. Listen, this is the hardest game you'll ever play in your life. I remember we about to play game seven, 2012.

So we about to play the Celtics or whatever. Game seven. So I'm hype is hell. I'm like, yeah, bro, we a game 7 like who out the band like this gonna be lit. So out in it's like you know We're gonna have to win by 15 just win by one So I'm like what you mean? He said bro. This is an NBA entertainment like LeBron is in a heat or waiting Would you rather watch the Celtics or the Sixers play the heat? I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm on the team. I wouldn't even watch the Sixers played a heat type shit. Like, you got to appreciate it.

But my, I'm young, 22, 23, I'm like, damn, damn, you know what I mean? So he's like, so we get in this game, you know how much money the NBA is gonna lose. Like this is, you know, type shit. And he's just like, they're well aware of the story line. It's not like, nothing like, it's a consumer base, like, I understand everything. Like, we all love it. But like, when you sit there, it's just like their well aware of the story line. It's not like nothing like, it's a consumer base, like I understand everything. Like we all love it, but like when you sit there,

it's just real shit to know. When I was going to seren games, I tell y'all do the same thing. Like yo, we got to win by 15 and win by one. And I understand it. Like you said, I, they got to get that. We all got, and you know, we go to the, you, we all, like, how the money turned out?

What the, you know, you turn all like, when y'all ran through everybody, the early week was pissed. We had to get back something, like, you know what I mean to the union, we all like, how do money turn out with the money? You know, we turn out like, when y'all ran through everybody, the early week was pissed. We had to get it back, something like, you know what I mean, TV money dropped, we might dance, it's f***ing off the beat, it's f***ing off the beat.

He's stating the business of it plainly in a way that whether you agree with it or not, I don't know how controversial you find any of that, we all know that there are preferred outcomes for the league. Is that the former player just saying politics and entertainment and you dismiss it? Or is it the accusation that I think it is, which is if I'm in a position where I don't provide the maximum entertainment in the next round in a game seven for the league, I'm gonna get 14 bad calls. I'm gonna get 14 free throws

worth of the referees impacting this game in a game seven because he's not saying it plainly. Iguedala is still a player technically. He's not retired. Iguedala is always a lot more careful. That's the first words you heard in that set. Those watching the clip though, Igueda Lee's kind of nodding along. Has Evan Turner and Gilbert Arena says they all agree.

They all agree with the content. They agree with what's being said there. Does the audience? Yeah, but is that just a game seven or a game seven on the road? That's another thing. Like you kind of have to win a game seven on the road by 15. First, some of those reasons, it's harder to get a friendly whistle on the road. That's another thing like you kind of have to win a game seven on the road by 15. For some of those reasons, it's harder to get a friendly whistle on the road and we know that. And look, this is a sport that actually had an NBA finals with a gambling scandal surrounding it.

Like a questionable O6 NBA finals that the NBA tries to make sure is not brought back up, but I find this so intellectually lazy because it's really been popularized. I think in soccer, Twitter, Messi's World Cup run, it was all scripted. In fact, the most recent NFL commercials, like new scripts out, everybody, Aryan Foster came out with a notion of a script and he was making fun of people when he did it. But there are people that would rather believe these conspiracy theories,

because like any conspiracy theory, it's a lot easier to say that there's an agenda out there rather than you just admit that you're not as good. And I say that as someone that's constantly complained about the refs, but that's sports. It's not because someone fixed it. Trust me, my team, the Miami Heat, would not have been in the recent finals

without LeBron James if it were scripted. It's not because someone fixed it, trust me, my team, the Miami Heat would not have been in the recent finals without LeBron James if it were scripted. They were going up against the Boston Celtics. They would rather have those teams, wouldn't they? It's really any league, right? An umpire, Angel Hernandez can influence a game. An NBA, or a ref in the NBA can influence a game. A ref in the NFL can influence a game.

We've seen it happen on the biggest of stages over and over and over again. It just doesn't make any sense that the NBA can influence a game. A Reff and the NFL can influence a game. We've seen it happen on the biggest of stages over and over and over again. It just doesn't make any sense that the NBA would be singled out here when, yes, they've had the recent cheating scandal, but they're not the only league where this could happen. Don Lebertard. We got a freini hard away.

So freini? Who's a freini hard away? I was trying to read fast. You deem is on the team Luke Jackson Bobby Jones the Matrix Sean Marion stugatz So shacks much Parker Chris Quinn Dewey Jason Williams to roll right. I mean stacked roster. This is the down lebatar show with a stugatz This is the Don't Liberty Show with this two gods! The

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that has a precedent. It's not a Savannah, Banana's ball game, or something, right? This is any context that you guys can give me on what this video is. We're about to show of an umpire Ejecting another umpire from what I got it This is my league baseball and it was a argument between an umpire and one of the players on the team and it got heated

So so much that apparently the umpire put his hands on the player So in and up again ejected or escorted out by his fellow umpire and all this with cameras on hand to document it. This found its way to us via John Boy Media. At Tucker and Nathan's was just ejected by Warren Nicholson. Now he'll get his money's worth. TJ Stanton sprinted down from the third base coaching box getting in Nicholson's face. Now read Hoover trying to get Nicholson back from Nathan's.

They are going nose to nose here. TJ standing with his arms folded now. Now Nicholson just made contact with Nathan's. And TJ is pulling Tucker out of the fray, and in all my years of watching baseball at every level imaginable, I have never seen an umpire ejected from again. The ump did hit the manager right in the nipples.

What do you mean, Billy? No, like hit him with both. He hit him with both hands. A questionable, I think. I don't know if we can watch it again, but it seemed like it was a thing where the manager whoever that was was going after the umpire wouldn't leave meloney turned around and they bumped

but i don't know that he was going to a no i know i know i know i'm not maybe not an assault but there are some of that homey back yet well but wait a minute let's watch the other umpire for not holding back the homey back move you're supposed to hold the paper if you let him go that's on the whole back person. To behave this way on Jackie Robinson Day. I know. This isn't a salt.

It does not rise to the level of a salt, but that tiny manager who is furious and they are going face to face here, he does get hit in the nipples by the umpire. The umpire deserve to be ejected here, even though the, yeah, right there. Look, there is a little, there's a little, that feels like it's a little jab. It kind of looks like you got a purple nerple. Wait a minute, let's watch this again because the manager also sells

the hell out of it. I think that's a player. That looks like a very young man. Yeah, I don't think this is a manager. It's a player. Watches right on. I'm a legend purple. What's the right arm? That's a purple nerple. He gave him a teddy legend purple. Nurtle. What's the right arm? Well then the other umpires also a fault for grabbing him He doesn't know who's grabbing him. He feels the grab then he reaches out grabs the arm He reacts like he got a purple normal third umpires just doing nothing the one with the sunglasses Yeah, useless this right here, and I understand that playoff right feel them pipe I've ever seen one it does look like it a little there's a little twist there in the From number 42 reacts You can say titty twister

What it would look like though you guys he reacts as if there was a tug and turn but you guys are making it And I did it first that it was a jolt in the players That's a purple nerple the player should have fallen. That's a nerple getting purple. You got a soccer that yeah Just like fall down and even stabbed What are these two in the red shirts doing and then I'm paying attention what's going on? Oh, they don't want to get a warning check. Yeah, I'm gonna get I'll close it now. I want to go back for a second because you guys are making this and we're having a fun time with just purple nirple we like to

have fun here but this is also what it would look like if somebody was shivering someone else in a prison because right under the nipple this umpire gets in there good with a jab that makes number forty two whether to young player or manager right there grab his stomach very I don't know there was a moment there where he thought about going down he's like and then he stayed up watch he's like

and it's so good he reacts like he's been stabbed what's correct when stopping that person from following the umpire yeah well he does chase him down I'm not saying the umpire the umpire. Yeah. Well, he does chase him down. I'm not saying the umpire is right. The umpire was trying to walk away from that situation. And I know that we've done it on the visual side but for the audio audience, black umpire, white player. Now how do you feel?

Jackie Robinson did it. What do you mean? What is this? Matthew McConaughey now in like, what is the movie? Just paint the picture for the client? Just paint the picture. Audio audience. He 100% got the nipple cripple.

What? Now close your eyes and imagine he's white. just painted the picture audio audience he 100% got the nipple cripple what now i'm not close your eyes and imagine he's white i like the man here mine to see what color that nipple is because that looks like it was twisted was it that did i get the movie right on mcconnie where he does the big finish at the end uh... it's a john clancy movie

a ton of time to kill time to kill i mean he i had to just tell Jeremy the John Clancy movie. A ton of cool. A ton of cool. I mean, I had to just tell Jeremy, I'm about to turn on my mic, and off mic, he's just like, if I had to on me. What? My bad. Nipple, I marked it. Jeremy, go sit in the penalty box.

You're getting way too comfortable. I just, I mean, thank you for acknowledging that you deserve proofs. He approves of that cut. He's just walking out. I really appreciate that you're okay with the fact that that's wildly unprofessional. What you did. Unacceptable.

Like, man, the young people around here have gotten carried away, honestly. Yeah. Like, we give everyone microphones and this is what happens. Like, really, Jeremy, you got here six minutes ago. You accept my ruling because you're cursed on the air. You accept my ruling, because you're cursed on the air. You cursed on the air, because you're not paying attention to what we're doing around here. Thank you.

Thank you for accepting my ruling. Have you ever seen that before? Which part? A time to kill. I miss the arguments. Baseball, Mike, I've told you this. I've gotten back into baseball. The athletes are incredible. the skill level is ridiculous

You're gambling again and I'm gambling again, but I miss hysterical unreasonable Manager in a uniform who shouldn't be wearing a uniform Getting furious with an umpire technology. I don't mean to make this a back in my day But technology instant replay has ruined what used to be a lot of fun just listening to You know who was how McCray the manager of the royals in the in the army crawling The army crawler that was great And then he grabs the rock and throws it like a grenade

I'm gonna have to explain to a younger generation that there would an older man in full uniform, why in full uniform? I do not know would come out and kick dirt onto the shoes of the offense. Over the home play. It was the most exciting part of the game. It was great. And sometimes if that manager were wearing sunglasses, he would actually offer up the glasses to the umpire.

In a sarcastic means to assist. Have you seen the thing that's going around social media now that goes around pretty much every year, around this time, for whatever reason, because I guess the season's slowing down, you're winding up for the playoffs, where its Bobby Cox has ejected 161 times in his career, which is a full season minus a game. I've said before he needs to come back for one game and get ejected just to make the number 162. I miss this so very much.

So big Bobby Cox is dead. Yeah, I mean, come on. It just asked the question. So $50 on Chris Coyne? No, yeah, yeah. I really think the one who brought it here, I just am back here just spitballing. I have a question.

It's an inconsistency that I've found with a friend of the show that I'm not gonna name, but you can probably guess who it is when I give you the context of this. This is a very pro union friend of the show who also, nightly, sends me screenshots of strike zones and pitches that were called balls

that should have been strikes or strikes that should have been called balls. And is very in, I would almost say, anti-Umpire union and looking for technology to come in and replace all of these jobs while simultaneously fighting computers coming in and replacing the jobs of people in his own industry or her own industry.

It's my share. I thought of calling Fox worth. He had disguised it so well. I don't feel once. I am rewatching Philip Wilman's meltdown. It's great for the chat nougat for the Mississippi Braves. And at one point, he covers the home plate up in dirt and redraws a much bigger home plate. Again, in a sarcastic attempt

to help the umpire. He is taking third base, he is taking third base and thrown in an interestinger field and now he is army crawling, he's taking up the mountain, army crawling to a rosem bag that is he is just pulled the pin off with his mouth and thrown the rosem bag as a grenade right at the feet, great toss, Go to the umpire. Wow. Aaron, we've been denied that. Aaron Boone actually a few weeks ago.

I think our video team has this. He had a good one the other day. It was really good where he went up and he mocked the whole string of call. Yeah. Aaron Boone. I made a mistake earlier when I said I've never seen an umpire toss from a game before.

Philip Wollman actually tossed this umpire in his argument. Oh, that was taken second base. I think he's just taken second base with him. If I recall this video correctly, he is two bases. Well, no, that's the one that he threw into center field is taken third second and third. In his hands, as he is walking off right now, Congrats Philip Wollman. You were doing a different show than the one Chris Cody and Lewis were doing. You're giving video play by play of a video only your watching. On his while we show Aaron Boone throwing a historic temper tantrum that is not nearly as good

as the old temper tantrums. The temper tantrums of a manager who is not fit, who is an old person, who is wearing a uniform, uniform, and he is kicking dirt or throwing a base. My wife asked me such a good question the other day. She does not like baseball. What? Why is that shocking to get a divorce right now? Yes.

I doesn't like baseball how there's a... I bore her to tears when I'm'm like I stopped the television. I'm like watch this throw Benton court make the second base to get this guy over here like as I'm watching raise catchers throw the the baseball and she's just yawning the entire time. But as she's watching something in slow motion, she asked me the question. After somebody steals the base and goes head first.

Do they go back in and change their clothes when their uniforms get that dirty? I loved playing in a dirty uniform. Did you guys like playing in a dirty uniform? I would intentionally get dirty, unnecessarily, so I loved a dirty uniform. It made me feel like I was good because i was not major leaguers though should go but adults should go back and change there at work

work flows got dirty probably changed but their professionals also at the highest pay bracket that there is it would cost money to keep clean the uniforms and i know it's ridiculous what i'm saying but i've gotten so used to it that i had never even considered the question obviously they like looking like they hustled and that's been grandfathered in in the uniforms and I know it's ridiculous what I'm saying, but I've gotten so used to it that I had never even considered the question. Obviously they like looking like they hustle then that's been grandfathered in from the 1800s, but it is stupid.

Like they could clean up. Now, because you tune in the sixth inning and then you see who's tried the hardest that game. There's nothing better than watching a sporting event with someone who has no idea what's going on and just getting their questions. My wife does the exact same thing with Marlon's baseball and trying to explain how baseball works is simply a conundrum.

I have no idea how to do it. They are playing professional sports. If LeBron James had an incredibly dirty uniform, he would go in and change it. But a baseball player sliding into second base and adult human being collides with a dude on the on the sideline he gets a beer spilt all over him. Ah, nah, he was hustling hard. You got to see the beer stains on the jersey. It's a great question by my wife. Don Lebertard, do you realize that for 30 minutes now we might not have been doing good show, but we were doing show for about 30 minutes. And then you just decided to tell the story as if we were in the eating area.

Stugats! So many refer to it as a kitchen. Right. Eating area. Comments area. Who calls it an eating area? Nobody. Nobody.

Right. I'm eating area. What's the bedroom? The sleeping area? Ha-ha-ha. Let's hang on. I gotta go to the urinating area. I'll be right back.

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Use code Dan when you sign up on the Draft King sports book app to check it out. It seems to me, Stu Gantz, that every week, this is how it feels to me, that a mean flies in here at MetalArch's expense. And he does so with a great deal of productivity. It's not just Oddball, he does stuff for us all over metal arc media that no one is putting in

more physical effort at his age, flying again and again across. Very advanced age. Across the country. How old are you? How much older has he gotten making all these flights? You saw photos of him when him and Izzy had that fight. And they showed pictures of him and Iz he and all the aggregated media reports a mean looked about thirty years younger than he does right now in those photos because

of how these flights and metal arc media number of shows have battered him every week he flies across the country it seems like with a bone to pick with me. This week, he flies in and he doesn't like my Stephen A. Smith, Lonzo Ball take. He's got some sort of beef. I've not heard what it is. Do you need me to represent my position on this? Or do you want to just tell people what your beef is and tell me what your beef is?

You can represent your position. I think to catch people up for me, people might have missed early in the week when you said it. And Stugots, I wonder where it is that you side on all of this because all I think that I was trying to convey to people who now think I don't like Stephen A. Smith or because we're beefing about the controversial take that morning television

in general is dumb. People think that perhaps my problem with Stephen A. Smith runs really deep when it does not. However, when you are a really credible journalist and you have reported that someone cannot get out of a chair and then Lonzo Ball, because Stephen A. Smith is more famous than Lonzo Ball, Lonzo Ball does Smith is more famous than Lonzo Ball, Lonzo Ball does the thing that all media members need to happen in these scenarios if attention is the currency of the day. Make it a beef, make it conflict. Lonzo Ball says that's not accurate and then does these piston squats sitting in a chair. And instead of Stephen A. Smith

saying that he got a fact wrong, he said, you're not healthy. Lanzo and escalated the beef. It all served Stephen A Smith, but my objection to it is simply, well, the first part was wrong. And you should probably just say that you got the first part wrong. And then you can have whatever your issues are with Lanzo Ball. But you got the first part wrong. And so what's your beef with me? Is that, is that what you're beefing with? Yeah, I think the way you characterize what Stephen A. Smith did, it's important when you frame conversations that changes the focus in the subject, right? Stephen A. Smith's report

was about Lonzo Ball not being healthy. That's what it was about. And as part of that assessment, which is by the way shared by almost everybody, Lonzo Ball, if you don't know how to proceed, you're done with basically a think of a cadaver, that ligament from a cadaver, and they inserted into a living body, which works if you're trying to live a regular life.

And the Lakers, a legend, because of his father's shoes, right? The Lakers think that that injury is career threatening and that it's career threatening that it was caused by the shoes that the ball family made. Right, yes, that is part of the story, but the main thing is that this is a procedure that nobody has ever come back from in the NBA.

There have been guys who've done it and their career ended. And you know, a guy like Festus is healing. You play for the Warriors. You see him now, he looks great, he walks around, he looks like, you know, like he always just look, but he can't play NBA basketball. It's just, it's not enough or at least the technology hasn't been-

Day-to-day life is fine. Yeah, it's not. Right. So, what Steven A. Smith was doing was talking about yo This guy's career might be over because this is a very serious injury and a very serious procedure that really hasn't had a lot of success in terms of Getting guys back on the court as part of that he provided The tidbit about Lonzo's ability or inability to get up out of a chair or whatever Lonzo leapt on the one part.

And it's like, why is that true? I can do that. Okay. But that's not Stephen A's point. And so what you said earlier in the week was Stephen A's meant move the goalpost so you're not healthy. No, that's where the goalposts were to begin with. It's Lonzo ball, move the goalposts from,

are you healthy or not to, oh, can you get up out of a chair? Great. Now, now play basketball. You want to show me that you're feeling better? Play five on five. Play two on two. Let me see you on a basketball court. Doing that doesn't prove to anyone that Steven A Smith was wrong. It proves to them that he was wrong about whether he can get up out of a chair or not. But his larger point was Lonzo's not healthy enough to play basketball. But everyone knows that.

Everyone knows that. Why do you want Stephen A to apologize? You're looking for apologies from everyone. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's too God's, it doesn't have to be. Ryan Clark gives it a apology. I'm suddenly everyone should apologize. I just want you to try and get your facts right.

And if you don't have them right, you can say I didn't get it right in that spot without it costing, especially in his case, costing him anything in credibility. It's okay. And also he's not healthy. To me, the more interesting part of it is once you've turned all of this to got into attention is the currency of the day.

I'm fighting with Skip Bayless. We're going for ratings and the only thing that matters is not whether you get the facts right or not. It's just, do you get ratings and how do you get attention it serves steven a smith to get this wrong it serves him for lawns of ball to engage him this way all it does is help steven a smith and it doesn't cost him anything to also say i got that part wrong

and he's also not healthy not come back and forth with lawns of ball turn it all into conflict all all into entertainment, and then threaten the hip avialation of, I know your doctors. I've, I know the names of your doctors, like it doesn't have to be that. It can just be, hey, I got these couple of things wrong and my larger point stands without it being the attention grab

that is rewarded to God. It's not condemned, you're like, who cares whether you get it right or not? That's a convenient position for you. You've built a career on getting it wrong. Yeah. It's not what Stephen A Smith is supposed to be. He should have picked something

that would be way harder for Lonzo Ball to prove that he could do. So like getting up and down from a chair like easy, he can do it. We see it on video. He should have said like, Lonzo can't jump up on one foot while juggling three oranges. Yeah.

And then he would have at like, there's no recovery from that. There's no way he can do that and there's no way he can be like, damn, like he's got to admit, Stephen A's got him on that. Robert Baby Buggy Bumpers. He picked an easy example. You're right. He should have picked something way up. Just get out of a chair.

What's the point? You're a magic trick that'll trick me. Like, he's right. But if he actually does juggle and does that thing, you say it's not no harm in saying, oh, damn, bro, you did juggle my day. So what you're stealing my voice trying to say. So thank you. Thank you, Drew.

I know, Drew, Drew. So I apologize. You're saying you could not get out of a chair. That's what I'm looking for. I took it. Hey, I took it. It's ridiculous. You can get out of a chair? That's what I'm looking for. I took it, hey, I took it to ridiculous. You can get out of a chair, but my mind was... It's too got you, keep getting stuck on the idea

that I'm demanding apologies. This is what you want to object to, I know. He also didn't specify the chair. Maybe he can get out of a regular dinner chair, but if it was a recliner, a lazy boy recliner, then the core strength needed would be too different. That's hard to get out of. I can't catch.

I fall out of them every time. I never know how to put the rest part down and then I just kind of trip out of it. I can accuse two gods of being unhealthy because he couldn't get out of the couch in Tahoe. The lopsided couch in Tahoe. You're incredible. Those are terrible.

You and David Wells, neither one of you. Both of you made Sounds that sounded like fat men getting out of a dog a high chair I'm a woman. That wasn't a single attempt in which someone didn't show their belly button trying to get What is the hardest thing to get a water bed? Are we even still making one? 20s course we are Are we even still making one for his 20s? Of course we are. I haven't seen a lot of that in depth.

20s, Billy, how is Quixand a chair? Your first question was the hardest thing to get out of. The hardest thing to get out of. The answer is the ACC. Is Quixand okay, if we're gonna do it your way, Billy, is indeed a Quixand. A quack hole would be impossible to get out of, right? Where is Quixand, by the way?

I feel like every cartoon growing up, there was always some sort of Quixand. Quicksand would be impossible to get out of, right? Where is Quicksand, by the way? I feel like every cartoon growing up, there was always some sort of Quicksand interaction. I've never seen it before. Yeah, but that's one of those things. Don't be bothered that you haven't, you know what I mean? Like it's not like, I want to see Quicksand, because I'm clumsy. What if I fall in it? We cover this on Cinephob all the time. All the things.

All the things. All the time. There are certain things that were staples of the 20th century. Quicksand. Quicksand. Quicksand. Quicksand. Quicksand. All the time, there are certain things that were staples of the 20th century. Quick stand. Quick stand. And piranha. Oh, piranha. Anytime you go to a piranha. And by the way, the piranha would eat you so fast that it would just be a bone.

Like your leg would just be bone. Yeah. Right, so that was something all the time. I was so dogs that could solve crimes. I saw piranha dog the other day. A piranha dog. What's that? It was a video on Instagram and it was a little doggy that was swimming in Lincoln and came in and that.

And it bit the toe of a person on the, yeah. That's so cute. That's adorable. Was the guy okay? Yeah, he survived. I'm hoping you're making all of this. And if somebody told him, you're not gonna survive this bike and he survives the bike, they can be like, oops,

I thought she went on a survive. That's what Steven A. should should have said Lonzo Ball could never survive and attack by a piranha dog that goes and bites his little tozi. To me it's like if Stephen A said you're gonna get bit by a piranha dog at this lake and like no no no it wasn't that lake there was the other lake okay that's not the semantics. Yeah it's semantics. What this is all about. Okay, but I mean, so because you don't seem to care about the parsing of whatever the silly fact is

that you think it doesn't matter that he's getting wrong. When I talked to you about the details of this. Right. And you're an athlete. And in a media age again where the conflict between media and Athlete makes it a little poisonous acidic makes for good entertainment and is being rewarded on television with the old guys the old warriors Skip and Stephen a there are very few media jobs the These things are shrinking. ESPN is laying people off.

These guys at the top of the game get rewarded for badgering Lonzo Ball. And you're saying doesn't matter the one fact that he got wrong when I'm telling you, the thing that engages Lonzo is the thing that he got wrong, that is inaccurate, and so the wrong reward, Steven A, because, or anyone doing this as part of ratings, and in the transaction, what ends up happening is we're a little cruellard athletes, and less factual, and you're out here defending it, because you're saying he's not healthy,

when we all know he's not healthy. I think, I think, so this is the part where I have to extrapolate because I haven't taught this to even ace him. I don't know anything. I don't have anybody, right? But the idea of him bringing that specific example up, this demonstrates a real common thing in news breaking, right? Usually we see it with transactions.

They'll say, oh, the Cleveland Cavaliers, we're talking to the Utah Jazz about a deal for Walker Kessler, right? When it in reality, what happens is it did happen, but it actually happened months ago and the talks were quickly shut down. But what teams will do is like feed information that's expired. So this, to me, wreaks of actual information that he got that was just expired, not necessarily factually incorrect of all time. Billy's right, this piranha dog is adorable.