The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Myles Garrett Was Traded To WHO? | Hour 2

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

"I'm a learned man." Zas and Greg are confused by one of the shirts available for purchase on lebatardaf.com, Max Kellerman has called LeBron James the 'Modern Day Muhammad Ali,' and to Dan's delight, the Rams have traded for the best pass rusher in the NFL. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I need some help from a mentor and someone I admire on the correct way to run a business. when the following happened. I walk into the other room and on the televisions, headlining for the merchandise this show sells, lebitardaf.com, is a shirt celebrating Zaz and one of his best jokes on our show. And on all the televisions, as I come out, I'm surrounded by a t-shirt that says, not a cuck. And Greg Cody, when I walk out there and the star of that t-shirt says while looking at the business he's invested his heart into now, who's the market for that? When the star of Not a Cuck looks at that t-shirt and says, who would buy that? Do you think that I'm doing advertising wrong? It's a weird t-shirt. I don't think Zaz would buy it or wear it. And so,

therefore, I'm trying to figure out who might. Do you understand the structural business flaw I'm asking about when I'm walking out and the start of the t-shirt of merch meant to use his name, image, and likeness in the modern age to create fandom around his character as everyone knows identity as currency. Yeah. The not a cuck t-shirt, if you're going to wear that on a college campus, you're going to be celebrating the secrets ads that's not doing broadcaster guy. He's doing not a cuck.

Yeah. I don't even know how many people know what the word cuck means in a sexual, romantic context. Do you know what it means given that you didn't know what the cuck command sender was? And this is what's burying. So maybe those people are a market for the not-a-cuck. joke, the people who are, Zaz is getting buried on the internet and you don't understand why. You're sitting in the middle of our show and because I don't think you know what a cuck is

and you don't want to be out? Yeah, I do. You know, I'm a learned man, you know? Do you know what's happening to Zaz on the internet? I don't know. I am not on the internet every day. Really? You go days without being on the internet.

Well, first of all, is it YouTube? Is it Instagram? Like, what is happening where to you? Twitter. Twitter. Okay. We don't call it Twitter anymore, but your point is well taken. X.

Nothing to me. No, no. I have zero idea what is happening to you related to cuck on Twitter. I don't know. Our listeners like sending me pictures of different cuck chairs almost always in hotel rooms. Okay. Yeah. What's a cuck chair?

So you don't know what a cuck is? Yes, I do. What's a chair, though? So put two and two together then. If you know what it is, you know what a cuck is, you know what a chair is. Put two and two together. What do you think it is? It doesn't matter.

I'm going to investigate this. Yeah, you should investigate. But I will say, when we're talking about the market for these shirts, I did recently purchase with my own hard-earned money, a shirt with Greg Cody's face on it that says my wife always handles the wand. So there are people out there who are going to buy these shirts. Thank you. Where's my residual?

Well, David Sampson says that without Dan, none of us have a face, so we don't get any money from that. question I'm asking, though, the rest of you, before we get to A.J. Brown and Miles Garrett, I am going to get to that here. Is that the way to run a business? Like, just as a curiosity, I don't know whether I'm speaking out of line here. You are now full-time. Like, you are somebody who's got a percentage of Metal Arc media. Zaslow is officially, I don't know, yes, let's celebrate this. I don't know whether there's a company announcement of some sort. There's lukewarm interest. Thanks, Tony. I thought you were always full-time.

You get the Pulitzer now, too? I can claim it now. Yes, he works for a Pulitzer Prize winning. Thanks, Roy. Wait a minute. While he was here, he worked for a Pulitzer Prize winning media company. So everyone about me and Greg then? Greg is not full-time. No.

Nor do I own a share of the company. Do you want to be full-time? You could be. Really? Yes, of course. I've been asking you to retire for years. Yeah. What's in it for me?

It's not really retiring. That's true. That would not be retiring to go from one full-time job to another full-time. I just don't know how it ends for Greg Cody at the Miami Herald. I don't know how that ends. Be careful, Greg, it's not what you think. You're going to be working construction. I can do that.

I need to make this clear before this gets back to the family that I'm sitting here saying I'm running a construction company. To be clear, because we've already said too much here. Her father was the leader of a construction company. And now you are. Now you own and run the construction company. The estate. Sick inheritance.

The estate is now responsible for a construction company. That does not mean I'm running construction. People must look at you sideways. He passed away and all of a sudden you're in charge. You guys have me. You guys have me. No, but what you guys are doing is all of a sudden at night, I'm walking in Dickie's work boots and a miner's hat

and I'm walking across a dusty trail and with a clipboard saying, Mario, Arreletto, what they're doing. You nailed it. That's exactly what I think you're doing. By the way, I need some closet to set up. Do you have a guy? Can you come and do it? I don't know. I love how you think that construction workers

wear miners' helmets. The reason I made in a miner's helmet is because a construction helmet during the day doesn't have a light. These are the things you learn when you're a master of the construction business, but at night it needs a light on top. So I was speaking to the masses

who don't know construction, the way that I have learned construction over the last. When you tore a sight, your hands are just in your pockets and you're just like, do you give it like a little knock on a wall? Is this supposed to be here, Are we finishing this?

That looks good. Are you hands on? Are you like driving the dump truck? You know, driving the cement mixer? How does that work? I just, I don't want it getting back to the people who run this construction company that I've declared myself boss of this construction company. No, that's Greg's job now. Congratulations.

You don't want it getting back to your employees. They're not my employees. They're the estate's employees. And the estate was left in our care without us knowing what to do. Anyway. So you. I am not. running a construction company.

They're very capable people doing that. I just have to watch them. They're a foreman. Check under those floorboards. Maybe there will be beetles there. But don't worry. They're a little bit litigious. That's a good hack.

You know what? Thank you for bringing the puppets in. I want to get to A.J. Brown and Miles Garrett. But the puppets have been a failure. And we rush the puppets to market just to beat Rich Paul and Max Kellerman to market. So You can't rush things to market. That's how you end up with holes in your floorboards and beetles running through them.

And they're very litigious. All right, let's keep developing it. Preferably off, Mike. I don't. Rich Paul is in the news. This podcast. Dan, like, have you seen the recent, at least clips? Because I don't know anyone's like, I don't know.

I was going to listen to Rich Paul podcast. Who was that guy? It was a guy who listens to the Rich Paul podcast. Is that? I'm workshoping it. But Rich Paul, Max Kellerman, this is a, this is a, this is a, this is a ringer podcast, it's on Netflix. This is Max Kellerman's, what do you mean? Why are you mocking this show?

This is a big show. Because that's what I do. When there's things I don't like, I mock it. That's what I do. And what don't you like about it? Well, because it appears that this Rich Paul podcast, it's just a podcast that he uses to prop up his friend. That's the whole, that's the whole show. It's him just giving examples of how LeBron is better than Michael Jordan.

That's every clip I see. It's an infomercial for LeBron James marketing arm. Yeah. It's just like we have to remind everybody that LeBron is the greatest ever, and specifically that he's greater than Michael Jordan. Like, for instance, okay, let me play a clip for you here, Dan. So he's making a comparison here to how what happened to Chet Holmgren in game 7, what Wembenyama did to Chet Holmgren in Game 7.

He then finds a way to compare that to what LeBron did to Steph Curry back in the 2016 finals. Now, I've never heard that comparison before. But apparently what Wemba Nama did to Chet Holmgren is very similar to what LeBron did to Steph Curry. Can we have that clip? I always looked at LeBron to be more of what I would say was the People's Champ in terms of, you know, like, like Muhammad Ali was.

Even when he lost, I felt like people really embraced him. He also did not shy away from the issues of his day. Yeah. I was always impressed by that. Controversial issue would come up social, political issue. And I thought that there were one or two missteps I wasn't crazy about, but related to Darry and China, I didn't love that. But I understood he has a lot of business over there and so did a lot of people.

Okay, so you have to excuse me. That clip there, though, was him comparing LeBron to Muhammad Ali. And at least upon first hearing it, like, I don't know, like, do you feel like LeBron and Muhammad Ali are very similar? Like, Muhammad Ali was given up parts of his life for the things that he believed in. Like, he gave up the heavyweight championship to stand on what he believed was his morals. And, like, do we feel like that's LeBron? No, I don't compare them at all, and that certainly flatters LeBron. but why would you be surprised that a podcast with LeBron's agent would be pro-Lebron?

Well, no, no, not pro-Lebron. It's consistently using it as an opportunity to prove to everybody how LeBron is the best or LeBron is better than Michael Jordan. Let me give you the clip here that I was trying to set up where he makes the comparison. LeBron apparently did to Steph Curry. What Wembeon-Yama did to Chet Holmgren. What Wembe did to Chet in a way is what LeBron did to Steph in that game. Well, I don't know about that, Mac. It was an emphatic.

It's eye, like when he was, when he scream on him in game six, right? Where he blocked the shot, he blocked his shot and screamed on him. And Steph kind of like had his head hung, right? There was something in that moment where it was like, yo, you got a response. You can't let someone scream on you like that. I mean, really? Like he emasculated Steph Curry the way that we, Steph Curry gave us zero performance the way that Chet Holmgren did a couple of nights ago?

Has anyone ever heard that before? I haven't. But at the same time, celebrating LeBron James is not just his lane. I mean, in general, but you guys are air on the Stepback series. Celebrating LeBron James is not clear in the property of Rich Paul, right? I mean, it's done. He's our most celebrated athlete, active, you could argue. I know we'll move on, okay? Life always does sports move very quickly.

Wembe will take over the NBA and this is what it will look like. He's here from the future and he's the new guy, get out of the way LeBron. But it is not ridiculous to say that LeBron James is the modern day, Muhammad Ali, which just means famous at this time, this time of 20 years, dominated most powerful American athlete, got into very little trouble. And while he did not take up the social causes, perhaps the way that you would have liked him to, In the modern day, we've talking about one person for 20 years the same way we did with Ali. That's the unusual part.

In the modern day, he has dominated. He's the only thing that comes close to what football is. He has dominated sports conversation in this country for 20 years. And so I'm not even sure second place is particularly close. Steph is not it. For 20 years, everyone's talking about this one athlete in this one sport. And he falls on some meek side of some public issues and political size. corporatized and bought and places where business conflicts make an appearance.

But LeBron James has been the most, if you say 15 years free agency, money is the thing that makes everything go? Like for 15 years, he's been polarizing at the center of American politics. Maybe not like you wanted him to be. More than Michael, not as much as Ali, but who else? Tony, you know that moment at a party or a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks? I know it well. It's usually when I show up. Everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Quervo.

Walking like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. It has that effect on people. It does. You usually take the credit for it. But again, it's the Quervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it quervo. Keep it, quervo, baby. So my schedule gets a little chaotic this time of year. Most days I'm here at the Metal Arc Studios and then I'm heading straight to another broadcasting or hosting gig.

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More when he was losing. Like, that point was made all, people's champion, the Muhammad Ali would lose. You know, people would still gravitate toward him. When LeBron would lose, he gained more and more criticism. Like there was more people, maybe unfair, you know.

Oh, but I thought that was a reflection of the time he birthed. though, if you're the social media's athlete, you think Ali would have been what he was in this cesspool? Like, where everyone's got all their opinions on the internet and people think the internet is real and it's all, and it's everything. Like, you think this dystopia, whatever LeBron James has had to traffic in this stupidity of a generation raised on addicted to their devices, gossiping about Lebron every day, Ali didn't hear all that shit. Ali didn't live in that. Ali saw that in some of the streets and some of the fights, but LeBron was living that war on the internet. internet as we were here when he joined Twitter.

Oh, welcome, LeBron. Is access all that's cracked up to be? Here's the internet, and every single thing you do will be talked about so much that you'll get addicted to the attention. And your agent will team with Max Calleran because you want to do content companies next, because you don't want that attention to go away. Who would?

LeBron James isn't going to just give up 20 years if I was the most important thing. You think he's going to just fade into broadcasting? Like whatever they're doing next is content. It's in Hollywood. The game for them is the next 20 years. Like, Rich Paul and LeBron created a company, that company that now has Max Kellerman in and around it, that represents 90 NBA players and I think 600 athletes. Like, it's a monster company.

My favorite, though. Isn't that how you become Ali of the modern age, though, because now you're going to fight the tech guys? I mean, when I think of Ali, like, I think more about the social causes and the impact that his words had and his actions had. and the morality that he stood on. And like, I don't feel that that's LeBron. No, it's just a rich, modern athlete who stood for player, me first, empowerment. But Ali stood for me first too. He was just in an individual sport.

He was fighting the country. I agree with Zazz. Bill Russell was in Ali's company in terms of the athletic stature met by the social justice warrior vibe. LeBron? No. LeBron is the biggest star in sports. right now anyway for a while longer, but not to be compared with Ali, in my opinion.

I will say, like, at the beginning of his career, or if you want to call it the midpoint when he was with the heat, LeBron did lead the way on the discussion around Trayvon Martin. That's true, but what else? What else? That was a big deal. He put himself out there along with Dwayne Wade in a way. And to Roy's point, yeah, when everything was going on with George Floyd and Black Lives Matter.

Like, he was out in front on a lot of that stuff. Now, it doesn't mean that he's. He stood up for every single cause in every single moment. He ultimately is a billionaire, right? You don't become a billionaire by standing up against every single corporate entity when those things are going on. But he absolutely put himself out there particularly at that first time where the big three was hated. He may have been a star, but to be out in front on something like that happening in his own state was a big deal. Let me ask the group of you this, okay, when I ask you, how are you supposed to do it?

Yes, of course. easy stance alert no one will ever be Ali and no one will be allowed to be either there is no person who will step into this breach and do it the correct way Ali didn't know he was doing it the correct way

he was just fighting for the right things and at the time he was willing to not go kill people in Vietnam because he proved to be right on the side of history during a totally different time when presented with Tremon Martin at Tremon when you're When you're presented with a controversy, you're the MVP of the league, you came here at 25,

you're just now developing your adult voice on how do I attack important things. I'm going to do it by bowing my head in a hoodie so that everybody knows that our kids look like this too. And the Miami, he absolutely made that a name that echoed with sports, used the right way. The time he chose to do it best. He could have fought on China and did not because everybody's in business together now. But there's no right way to do it. He had the opportunities to do it, and history will show him largely right on many, many things, including making money for LeBron James and his friends and empowering those people and changing the sport, but not necessarily changing the world. Maybe they'll do it with their content, but not necessarily changing the world. But who can do that? Who's responsibility? Like, who could, if not, if I say, take LeBron James off the table, who is the modern day Ali? Who gets to be that person? Kurt Schilling.

Patriot Oh, Red Sock, really Could have played football if you wanted to Good arm Speaking of football You can achieve all things through Christ Philippians 413 I had a takeaway yesterday

There are many things now being said And written about A.J. Brown and Miles Garrett One of them was expected One of them was not And I want to talk about the teams And the players in a second Because the A.J. Brown stuff is interesting

and people seem to be super interested in it when A.J. Brown tells Maria Taylor, hey, I had Patriot rugs in my house for the last few years, even when I was with the Eagles. This is my team. It's my team since I was a kid. I was doing what I was supposed to be doing with the Eagles. But this is it. A 28-year-old is now going to be with the Patriots hell-bent on being their number one receiver in a way that's better than Stefan Diggs was and is being entrusted with the future of Drake May when the Eagles are just telling you, yeah, you can't trust your future with him. Right? Like whatever it is the divisions were, he's saying that people just grow apart. He's telling Maria Taylor about Jalen Hertz. Nothing happened. People just grow apart. Like that there was nothing there worth reporting. But they were at the center of a champion and a weird style of play, if we're really being honest, where they were just mauling you for two years. There's cement mixers running down the field. And Jalen Hurts going to play conservative ball with the number one receiver who's like, hey, I'm good for 150. Whoever's throwing the football. And so like that division is like the collision of where sports was. They won a championship because they were trusting in Lane Johnson and not trust in their quarterback.

And when they needed A.J. Brown, they said, yeah, we'll trust him. So many people are talking about this and putting this story ahead of the Miles Garrett story as a move. And the way it was covered just really did sort of mystify me because I'm looking at Miles Garrett changing teams. And when I say two-time defensive player of the year, that's an unprecedented football player. Like that person being traded to anyone is the story of football. There's never been anyone like him except anybody, Reggie White? Like, is that the, that's the only cop I got. Lawrence Taylor, like whatever, what was just traded is best in the league two years in a row, no question, not just best at Sacks, best defensive player.

And we're talking about the drama around A.J. Brown, who has never once been the number one player at his position. never mind number one player on offense and it was just mystifying to me when the Rams are clearly a piece away and wherever it is that the Eagles and the Patriots were the Rams, wherever it is you thought last year the Eagles and the Patriots were, the Rams are closer. Like the Rams are more legitimately ready to take over the next two years because of who they've got in charge, the moves they're making, the specifics of no, we're playing for right now this year because I don't know what my quarterback is going to look like after the year. The way the Rams are going all in, I thought that story overshadowed the A.J. Brown story by skyscrapers. It should. The Miles Garrett trade is legitimately one of the biggest trades in the history of the league. And sports. Like, without a doubt, it's one of the biggest trades in the history of the NFL. I stopped to say in sports because in that sport in the NFL, just so many players.

Like, it's hard to trade for one guy. No, the reason I just say it is because Miles Carrot, in terms of all-time grades across sports, whether I'm not talking about, of fame or legendary status, the best there is don't get traded. Yeah, yeah. It's without question one of the biggest trades of all time. And I think that... I don't know why Roy's laughing. I don't know why Roy is laughing at...

You haven't lunch with the boys fixing up that skyscraper later. Nice hat, asshole. No, I'm just kidding. Got you there. That's a Greg Cody. Birthday. First now. That joke has to be so good. to interrupt you in the middle of your work?

It's a good joke. It's a very good vigil joke. Jeremy still wandering around with that puppet doesn't know what to do with it. We spent money on those puppets and we wanted to go first to air because Max Kellerman had a puppet when I was having dinner with him. He said they had a puppet. We are not going

to the puppet right now. We are still talking about the biggest trade, arguably in sports history. Enough with the puppets. All right. I'm glad you've mentioned Miles Garrett. He's going to be an L.A. Ram, Dan, did you hear that? It's going to be an all L.A. Super Bowl. That's right, Dan. Oh, like 1980, Lake Placid. And he's always willing to put his hard hat on and compete just

like me in construction. Wait, where'd that go? My puppet doesn't look like me. I think there's a reason why the discourse was what it was. It's because Adam Schaefter's been working on this AJ Brown thing for a very long time. He primed everybody before the draft that this was a going to happen. And then yesterday, we are going to have this trade complete inside of 24 hours. ESPN had mobilized. They were ready for this day. Adam did a lot of reporting on it. That was going to be wall-to-wall coverage. And then the Miles Garrett thing shocked everybody because there wasn't a rumor about it. No one had had any whispers or smoke. And it came out as that AJ Brown thing was already developing. And the internet has already been having fun with

A.J. Brown and Jalen Hertz, a possible schism between the two. And that was a meteor story. And then the Miles Gare thing just like came and shocked everybody. I thought the AJ Brown story getting more attention. Mike's right to an extent, I think it also, I was thinking it's because there was a salacious gossipy aspect to the A.J. Brown story between the coach and between a reporter. You can always tell when a new business trend shows up because suddenly everyone starts talking like they invented it. Right now it's AI. Every company says they have an AI strategy. Every consultant says they have an answer. Meanwhile, most businesses are still out here trying to figure it all out. And that's why there's NetSuite next. You probably already

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Visit L'Oreal.com to learn more. Dan Lebatardtard. Baker Mayfield tearing up Tampa Bay, 38 for 45. Stugats. Shred them! This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Well, Mike just brought up something. I did notice yesterday, and I was thinking a couple of things here when all of this happened

because the coverage was a bit confusing to me, right? When Miles Garrett gets traded anytime in my lifetime, whatever that is, okay, network news and all the sports places shout from the mountaintops four days, you're not going to believe who just got traded where this is a shocker. And it had on it, that story had three names on it when I was reading the byline. It said the Garrett story falling out of the sky, sources told Ian Rappaport and Adam Schaefter, and there was another name on that story. And it made me confused as to whether the day's coverage was planned,

and everyone knew it was A.J. Brown Day. And the machine was moved by, where'd this come from, how'd this happen? And I'm just asking you in all the parts of this story when I do say, no, it's one of the biggest trades in sports history because not just this guy traded for him. but what the Rams are doing, they were a playaway last year. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Whatever your contract is, come on over here. Yeah, we got a good pass rusher, but he's not as good as you.

I thought they were going to put him together. I thought the two of that, I thought it was going to be verse and Garrett. And I'm like, holy shit, what are they doing there? They've got all the corners. They've got all the pass rushers. They're going to club everybody this year if they don't get hurt. I saw we were laughing because the lower third said on first take, are the Rams now Super Bowl favorites?

And they have the odds, the market pricing, according to the Draft King Sports app. And I'm like, well, when you check that app yesterday, they were already the favorite. So are they still the favorites? They're more the favorite. Does Myers-Garred hurt their chances of winning the Super Bowl? Bigger favorites.

I could really use to have Poka's hands in my construction business. I don't know. I'm working on it. I'm telling you, though, that when Zaz says this, what should have mushroom clouded into the sky yesterday? Look, we are all understanding now that there's orchestration and what the information business is, right? Football was meant to dominate yesterday with whatever was happening with A.J. Brown that Adam Schaefter can tell you from however it is, he gets his information, hey, this is going to happen probably in the next 24 hours. And then what shoots through the planning is one of the biggest trades I've ever seen that isn't then covered like one of the biggest trades I've ever seen because nobody's ready for it. And what I'm telling you is when Miles Garrett has traded, that alone is enough to make it one of the biggest trades in the history of sports, not just football.

Just that guy traded best in the league two years in row. It's really hard to do. He's not best at one position. He's best at all things defense. just got traded to the team that while we've been talking about is Sam Darnold in charge or whatever, wants this year more than everyone else. Drake May is here to help AJ Brown, or AJ Brown is here to help Drake May for the next three or four years.

This is coming to help Matthew Stafford right now. This is one last call on our quarterback can be the MVP for one more year. I hope Puka gets out of rehab okay. And I hope our physical injuries can withstand because the San Francisco 49, are going to get taken out by the power plant again. It's a franchise that is making a habit of putting all their chips in for one last Matthew Safford run, and we've heard that for four seasons running when they get guys like Jalen Ramsey, right?

They did the all-in aggressive move, let's trade our picks for corner help. And they end up with Miles Garrett, and it caught everybody by surprise to the point that I haven't seen a think piece or really any sort of information on how the contract that was reported to be impossible to move, ended up on the team that doesn't have any cap room or assets to get something like this done. And yet, we are always saying that the NFL salary cap is a myth when the L.A. Rams make a move like this. They are making a habit of it.

Mike, I'm glad you bring it up. So some people have done some math on it. Effectly, the Rams are taking on the remaining five years and 178 million on Garrett's contract, but it's essentially a three-year deal worth about $99 million that can get, the Rams can get after it after the 28 season. A lot of stuttering there, my bad. Okay, and no information that's useful to me because I didn't understand what you were saying. Okay, so five years for 178 is essentially a three for 98 that can get out of it after the 28 season. The larger point, I would say here, because I don't, you can give me math explained well or explained poorly.

I gave you both, but what I will give you is the cap hits for the Rams. So next year they're only paying them $8 million. That's why they're able to do it. But no, you don't need to explain anything to me about the salary cap for me to tell you. Hey, world, what the Rams just announced is that they're more all in on Stafford and McVe this year than anyone's all in on all in this year in football. Not my homes, not the Patriots. What are you laughing at, Roy? Are you laughing at the puppet or how poorly Tony said all of that?

This has been an excellent show, man. Today has been fabulous. That's not what I was asking. The salary cap, I know the permutations actually matter and are important, but Greg, you're our football expert. Am I dabbling in hyperbole when I say this is one of the biggest trades you will ever see in sports? It's one of the biggest, and it's certainly the biggest of this off season, 100%. And one of the reasons I love, it's a much bigger trade than A.J. Brown on the face of

it, but also because of the surprise element. Everybody's known for months that A.J. Brown was going to be traded. Everybody's known for months that the Patriots were the landing spot. This, how refreshing is it in the age of insider scoops to actually have a blockbuster trade that surprised is. It just makes me think that we've been sleeping on McVeigh here for a few years because he's just getting close as if he didn't win the entire sport before golf neutered him. This guy was ahead of the entire. entirety of the curve. This ostensibly, yes, Miles Garrett is available to everyone, right? Yeah.

Yes. And it's the team that always finds a way to add the final piece. They must have a half dozen final pieces on this team. What you were saying before, I know you guys were making fun of me all of last football season about the fact that I was saying, Jesus, the Rams are great. Like, I know they're great. and then, you know, whatever, punt returns, weird fumbles, Seattle beats them, and, you know, they lose. They lose for whatever the reasons are.

One of them passed for us, actually, because their corners got exposed because, verse, and others, well, that's going to be solved. Like, one of the problems they had at the end of the season is the defense couldn't get off of the field, and so they just got the best there is. Like, it's not maybe somebody else is. No, they just got the best there is. Dallas, Green Bay, whatever you think you're doing with Micah Parsons or did financially. The Rams just got the best there is. And when I say Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White, it's purposeful. Do not lose sight of the mastery of what's happening in these games at the moment.

When you're talking about LeBron James or Otani, Miles Garrett, the best there is all time at getting at the quarterback. Will you look at how fast they're getting rid of the football? He'll still wreck you. Like there's never been anything like this in the league, and now the Rams have it. I cannot believe that Miles Garrett leaves Cleveland, and they only get one first round draft pick for him. And I understand versus a fine player. And I understand they got a second and a third, but one first round draft pick for the reigning defensive player of the year. Two times.

the greatest defensive player of this generation. And the only argument that you would have against that is probably Aaron Donald, who is now threatening everybody with workout videos. I don't like this. I want to test him. I am so scared for Carson back. Can we see some of those?

Please tell me we have Aaron Donald working out videos because Aaron Donald is the only thing in this generation that comes close. And I think even Aaron Donald, do I have this wrong? Would there be more respect in doing it from the middle? I think Aaron Donald might even say Miles Garrett is the best of our generation. Yeah, he looks at that guy and's like, oh, that dude is good. Maybe not, though. Maybe not.

Aaron Donald was doing it from the middle of the field and putting up the sack totals that were in double digits. Like, I don't, I just can't believe that the Rams got him. Like, what do I have to do to make a football story bigger? Like what to make, to give you surprise, give you the Rams, give you how much more stardom? I got to make it a quarterback? Yeah. That's a great question, Dan. Let's put it to our audience.

Who's the better defensive player? Aaron Donald or Miles Garrett? Greg? Miles Garrett. Zaz? I think Aaron Donald. Audience? I'm listening.

That one's razor thin. That's how we started our social media campaign with ESPN. Aaron Donald is a beast. That was my first, that was my first foray in the years. I think they're both great and they're Donald is special than what he does. So is Miles Garrett. I'm Elon Musk. Oh wait, wrong. Thank you Billy. Don't give him the keys to the angel. I told you. I told you not to give him the keys to the puppet. Well, sorry. There's two puppets. If you put him in the room with the puppets and the angels, the delicate flower will come out and we will not do well as a show. Happy pride.

Who is happy? about this trade. I'm going to say Joe Burrow easily. I just don't think we properly appreciated it even as much as we've covered this sport over the last few years. Because Miles Garreton, one of the losers,

that we're watching all-time historic greatness, like you'll never see it again type of stuff. You haven't seen it many times before. But it doesn't matter because it's not in playoff games and because the Browns, in the management of this and everything else, have been such an epically run dumpster fire that is the opposite of what the

Rams are. How was this available to everyone in the league and it was stolen from the worst team by the best team? This is kind of the same conversation we have with Luca, right? All of a sudden it was like, middle of the night, hey, there's a massive trade, one of the biggest trades in sports. How did the Lakers get them? Did they even offer them to anybody else? Like, do we know maybe we can have some reporting later on if the Rams were able to just call them and say, hey, would you trade us, Miles Garrett? And they said yes. Or maybe there was a couple teams that were trying to vie for this in the background. Like, it just seems like so much like a LAM's got him and there's no information that anybody else was in on it and it's a blockbuster because nobody knew he was

going to be traded somebody please explain to me how this happened i mean i i know we're saying how the salary cap is not real in the nfell but if we're being realistic there's probably only a few teams that had the cap space to be able to acquire him now it's not even like the rams have the cap space because they also sent out there at the rams have the cap space they're giving staff for 55 million over here but how do somebody explain it to me i did poorly no you couldn't have done it works. Like I was more confused after you spoke. Okay. So it was eight million. And then it got worse when you gave me numbers. And there was eight million. Then it's 16 million next year. And then it's another 16 million after that.

Okay. I'm, I'm, Greg, I don't know if this is moving too fast for you. Please give me some football expertise on what the hell just happened here. How more quietly than A.J. Brown did the best of the football teams that we've had the last 10 years led by the smartest of guys, a team that is all in because they've already done this with corners and they're playing for next year only with Matt Stafford. We all kind of know the MVP of the league is probably done after this. I'm assuming. The mystery here isn't how they finagle the salary cap to make this work. Obviously they can and part of it is that he's getting very little amount of money next year. The mystery here is how can there not have been at least one and probably multiple other teams offering Cleveland more than they got salary cap? Not just that.

I guess you could theorize that the Browns wanted to do right by Miles Garrett and send him to a team that is well positioned to win a championship. Oh, but Mike, this does feel like Luca to me. Like this is the comp. The comp is Luca. I'm watching this trade happen. And I'm like, the Browns, while giving Deshaun Watson all the guaranteed money, have so ruined their last 10 years of doing the opposite of what the Rams are doing.

that they not only wasted the Miles Garrett years because, God, help me, those defenses were only good because he was on them. They didn't have, they didn't have great players. They had other good pieces. They had good pieces on that secondary, too. Miles Garrett, the reason the Browns were as good as they were, even though they've been dreadful, is because everyone knows every week you've got to stop Miles Garrett. Every precision you have known to man making the ball come out in 2.3 seconds knows that Miles Garrett can't recognize. your defense, your offense, and he still did it because it was Miles Garrett's defense.

Like, when I'm talking about the responsibilities of an all-time great, this guy has made this a professional franchise by himself. Like, I feel pretty comfortable saying that, no matter what seven other good players the Browns had while throwing to shirtless David and Joku. Like, I got it. Don't forget what he did to Mason Rudolph. I got it. The Browns might have had six good players.

Well, a Steeler, but it was a Patriot. Man, that is confusing. See? Going for two when you're up by five. Switching the zone when man isn't working. Oh, and building your new stadium in the state your team actually plays in. In sports, some things just make sense. You know what else makes sense?

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