The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 10

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains discussion of mental health struggles and self harm. If you’re struggling with thoughts of self harm, you can get help by calling 988 for the national Suicide and Crisis Lifeline.This episode of the Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show takes a serious turn, discussing the challenges with losing our biggest supporter at ESPN in John Skipper. Dan, Stu, and Mike Ryan re-live the unforgettable moment when Dan found out about Skipper stepping down on air and recount the fallout for the show at the worldwide leader. Mike Ryan also elaborates on some of his own mental health struggles during this period and explains how he was able to overcome them. Stick around for this episode’s supercut as well, featuring our interview with Rob Manfred, Chris Simms’ top 70 quarterbacks in the NFL, and Terry Bradshaw’s hi jinx. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And while I think our approach on the mental health discussion that comes up in this episode is right, we do touch on some topics that might trigger some of those in the audience We do talk about things like self harm and I don't want to appear flippant by any of those Conversations so I just want to give a warning to our listening audience here that we do touch on some mental health stuff here And some of you in the audience may find that triggering so I just wanted to give you an advance warning. This is the oral history of the 10-'re going to tackle some stuff here today that is tricky. It's a labyrinth of controversial stuff. It's the stuff that happened at ESPN that ended up with us having a lot of turbulence

and leaving ESPN, a lot of stuff that we haven't talked about publicly in any venue that we're going to talk about here. But as we go forward in the second half of this, I am encouraging Stugatz because I treat all of this as an exercise in healing and introspection and during the first half I had to show my ass in some places that are uncomfortable talking about stuff in the interest of giving Mike Ryan an honest platform that can become an oral history that stands the test of time because it's got warts and all stuff in it. So I am asking Stugatz now as we embark on the second half to not make this a Stugatz revisionist

history because I work with a thief and a liar and he can turn some of these stories into some things that have a lot of charm in them but I look up after episode 3 and I'm like wait a minute did Hawk and I break up because Stugatz was flirting with QAM like what just happened there what's the truth there? So again what's the message to me? What am I supposed to do here in the second half? Maximum honesty the rest of the way. Okay, you're an asshole.

Okay, all right. So let's continue here and find out where it is and how it is I'm an asshole. One last note on the first half of the oral history, because that's the first time we talked really, not even publicly, privately, about a lot of these things. And I know our timelines got a little warped and I appreciate what Dan and Stu Gotz did

in that first half. I think it certainly brought about more questions, but it also brought about answers to some of the show's great mysteries. And I think even the audience gave us some leeway in understanding sometimes breakups can be complicated, breakups can be hard, people hold on to what they remember most about it, and sometimes timeline shift.

All that being said, I just wanted to thank you guys for being forthright and embracing this concept, because I know our audience, which we owe everything to, was really appreciative of that and a lot of the stuff we had never addressed before. So it's brave, and I appreciate you guys for doing it. I'm going to bring it in the second half. All right, let's go. Cause I really, I look forward to what it is that we cover here because there's a lot of stuff that we've never talked about, as Mike said,

not privately amongst each other on what went down here. So I suspect there will be a lot of stuff here that people have not heard and will find interesting if you're as interested in our narcissisms as we are. So where would you like to start with this? You are. And a reminder to both of you, some of this stuff is tricky and some of this stuff we would like to really get into, but some of these things like as part of our separation

agreement with the ESPN, we can't get like, we're not going to slander folks here. We're just going to tell you how things were and the events that led up to in this timeline our eventual separation. But let's go to 2017 which is man such a great time in our show. We really have the co-host cooking. We feel really good about our ensemble. We're putting out good work. We're positioned well. ESPN likes us. We're navigating the Kaepernick and Trump stuff to the best of our ability, but something happens. And Stu Gatz, you were in the studio when the news came. Dan, you were live on the air when the news came. This is when we

had texts at this point, but you had social media up and I knew it was just only a matter of time before you saw it for yourself and I didn't want that to happen on the air. So I remember we were in the middle of a segment. My heart dropped when I saw the news that John Skipper was leaving ESPN. I then went to, I can't have these guys find out on the air and derail a segment, let me get them to break as early as I can and I remember vividly, I can feel the button on my fingertip.

Talking to Dan in his headset, like, hey, it's gotta be out there, Skipper has stepped down, let's take this thing to break and we'll talk about it during the break. I remember the look on Dan's face. And what washed over me was the realization that the game's about to change for us here. Stu Gotz, let me take it over to you first.

Dan was really emotional. I was concerned as well. I wasn't as concerned as I think you were about the relationships with ESPN and what would happen moving forward. Dan had a very unique and great bond, and still does, with John Skipper and him leaving. I knew, was it gonna be great for our show?

Was it gonna be great for us? And as you said, we had just started making some really serious inroads. The show was great. We had our co-hosts cooking. ESPN liked us. But the guy who liked Dan the most was the guy who was leaving.

And I remember just being concerned for Dan because I haven't really seen him that emotional on the air and he was very very emotional It's funny looking back on it because I can say with a hundred percent honesty that I Legitimately was not considering at that point the impact that us at all my immediate Response because I was so stunned by it is what the hell happened here response because I was so stunned by it is what the hell happened here that would mean this person was leaving a position of power that is the most powerful position in all of sports and furthermore two weeks earlier I had just sent him a detailed plan of how it is that he could better use Hispanics throughout the company because I had finally realized

that there were some places that I could be helpful around power and helpful in actually doing some of the things that he can execute that I wasn't really understanding that we can execute while I was there because all I was doing while I was there was making sure that they left us alone. I didn't want to get close to any of the things that would be machinations and power hungry

because the greatest power to me is we're allowed to do what we want to down there. But in the instance, like for there to be tears on my face as that happened, I don't know that I've ever been as stunned by something that I wasn't feeling on behalf of myself. Like it wasn't a feeling of anything other than what just happened to this person.

How can I know nothing about this? There's just a note that says there's a resignation and no information. How is it that this is just arriving here now during a show? I was just completely stunned. Yeah, and that kind of scared me, speaking for myself. Scared us, yeah. Because you're right,

and we covered it in a previous episode, your North Star always, when it came to your relationship with John Skipper, was just leave me alone. Which is not how people normally flex that muscle when they get close to the boss. But Mike, I think John Skipper was in charge of everyone else leave us alone.

That's why they left us alone. He certainly was, but look, other people have been close to bosses in media and they use it to accrue incredible amounts of power. What I'm here to say is like it's they ask generally when when there's a bond that tight is not just leave me alone it's what else can I get. Oh but the thing that gets misunderstood about this no matter how many times they explain it to people is that John and I weren't actually that tight then. Not tight the way that I measure tight which is oh now I'm going to Winston Salem

because you've gotten gone because of a cocaine extortion and now you need a friend. Now you need somebody during dark times who is actually there for you. That's none of what was hitting me during the moment that you're explaining to us. Oh, there goes our protection. It's unusual that you ask me about it now because this was not in my mind something that I was thinking about in any way. How does this affect us tomorrow? It's part of why it is I was kind of blindsided even with 18 months of warning that ESPN didn't want us because I had not considered the possibility that anybody at ESPN would not want us. I had not considered the possibility of anything

other than pleasing employers, because it's all I had ever done my entire career. I don't have contentious relationships with employers. By asking them to leave us alone. Yeah. Well, I think- Well, but asking them to leave us alone, and understanding that part of why we were hired

is to not be in Bristol, to be different from Bristol, and not unlike the ride home production in Washington that would have a cultural difference from the rest of Bristol, at least in part because it existed outside of all of their production rigidities. So correct me if I'm wrong, but part of the emotion had to be,

as you said earlier, that you felt like, along with John, you were kind of molding and shaping ESPN into a place that it really hadn't been in years past, and you were excited about that, and with him leaving, that meant perhaps that would get. Skipper hired me because he needed Latin representation. We were not friends that way.

I was the Latin journalist to hire because he needed the Latin demo and there weren't other Latin journalists. That was the source of our relationship at the beginning, and my job was then to bring more minorities to the company, to bring more voices to the company and see if we can impact some cultural shift. Well, I was stunned by it. You have to keep in mind 2017, this is a time where there was a public reckoning and a lot of big time, powerful people were getting called out publicly.

And there was just all this mystery because it was a shock but I Understand where Dan's just programmed that way Dan his mind immediately went to my friend What's wrong with him? Is he okay because at that point I thought he might be sick by the way Just because I don't know what's happening here, right? I just know this honor No, I mean you're absent of details. You're on the air. So it's hard to know Why would a guy step down from no one gives away this power? This power is only taken from people. It is not given away by people. But at that point, I had grown more into my role of people will vent about what we talk about to me

because they know that they're not to bring it to damn unless it's a four alarm fire. I had already had a pretty good idea of the tensions inside of Bristol with us veering into social issues. Keep in mind, we weren't really talking politics. We were talking about it through the prism of social issues, but that was uncomfortable enough for some over there. So I had a pretty good idea of how many times they would lodge complaints my way about our show that I was very effective in keeping away from the main show. And a governor for all that was, provided we don't take personal shots, we don't harp on these things, we're not using our platform to call the president names or

his supporters names, like we can navigate this because we have that top line protection. And when I read that blurb, I realize that top line of protection is gone. Who's going to replace him? Does he get to handpick his replacement? Ideologically, will that replacement get what it is that we do? Because John didn't even get what it is that we did. He got what Dan did and what Dan stood for. So my mind goes to a million places because we were in a good spot at that point. We were enjoying our boom period. We were the biggest thing in sports radio. We were the biggest thing in sports podcasting at the time. We were getting a better platform on video. We were the biggest thing in sports podcasting at the time. We were getting a better platform on video. We were growing, we were humming,

and we had that top line of protection. And I knew that that was a variable that was going to change things dramatically because out of all the people that were rumored, at least in-house, the names that I heard, we didn't have much of a relationship with. And Dan, your relationship with John Fortified over at ESPN, the magazine, right?

As background, because you just will get to the point where you actually go visit your friend in one of the more troubling times. I don't think we've ever really covered how you became friendly with John and how he identified you as someone that can really change the culture at ESPN. So I'm curious if we can go back to the origins of your relationship with John Skipper. John Skipper was the business side of ESPN, the magazine, when it was taking down Sports Illustrated within two years because they were... When journalism mattered, yeah.

Yeah, that's right. The written word, yes. When magazines mattered, yes, he was the head of their business operations, and they were spending a lot of money to get the best journalists to write the best stories because they wanted to have literary pieces that told sports stories well and competed with Sports Illustrated with educated fans. They wanted to have a classy, distinguished, written thing and I was the Latin writer that you go get if you want to do that if you're young. And I didn't have much relationship with the business side, but I helped grow ESPN, the

magazine and from there he and I didn't have very much in the way of any kinds of interactions, just social ones, but I saw him grow from that part of the company because it was successful to, you know, top power broker at ESPN. So I knew him when. I knew him at the beginning of whatever was the climb to the meetings with Disney and all that stuff. But a good amount of people knew him. Were you guys ideologically aligned back then? I can't say that I knew him very well. I can only say that he was at the time, he had a problem at ESPN where he was trying to make them have more fun, be more culturally diverse, and couldn't do it with just whatever. The 4,000 employees that he had there that had done it a certain way,

Lifers, Bristol, Connecticut, the entire economy in Bristol is a tax break so that ESPN can exist there. That entire giant company, he was having trouble influencing the culture, so he hired seven or eight people, one of whom was me, because he was trying to build something that had studios in Los Angeles, in New York,

in Miami, in Washington, that the worldwide leader in sports would at least represent on television more globally than Bristol, Connecticut. So let's cut back to the day that that announcement comes down. We finish our show. My memories of it are we were kind of in the fog.

I just remember Dan crying, to be honest. Dan did cry during the break because he was worried about the person. You and I probably shared a moment like, oh shit, what does this mean for us? We're F'd, yes. Yeah, are we F'd or what? Who do you think gets it? Like we were just already workshopping

who would be next in line. I'm legitimately embarrassed by that reaction, by the way. Why? It was human. I'm legitimately embarrassed that what ended up happening there is that somebody leaves the company and because my reaction is an instant stunned tearful one people

assume that it was an about an assortment of different things that it wasn't about I assume that when I say I'm embarrassed I'm at a microphone I'm a communicator I've been stunned by something and my ability to meet that moment to articulate what it is that happened to me. I felt at a loss for words. The the president of ESPN has resigned and sent out a statement and I'm sorry. I just want to know that he's okay.

Take your time, buddy. Yeah. So I'm just learning this now, okay? And this is the reason that I work here. And so I don't know what's coming. I don't know what this is, but I, I Know I look like it and sound like a fool right now

But I want you to understand something and I don't know what's I Don't know what's coming. I don't know if this is I haven't talked to him. So I don't know how he's doing Um, and I care about him, but just so that you understand how he's doing, and I care about him, but just so that you understand, this person has created everything that exists here at ESPN for us, and he did it because of how he cares about minorities and their causes. And so I'm just sort of shocked and hurt, and I am sorry I'm reacting this way,

and I don't know what damage I'm doing in reacting this way, but I'm just, that's, I mean, so that's straight talk. So that's where we are. All right, that is straight talk and it's brought to you by Straight Talk Wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable 4G LTE network.

Admittedly, perhaps we could have done that better. Let it breathe just a little bit more. What am I supposed to do there? There's a sponsored tattoo. It can't all be content. My vulnerabilities, they're out in front of you. You can't be trusted with them. They can't be sponsored.

What better way to communicate what it is you were feeling than crying, though? I mean, it was one of your finest moments. Well. I thought it was. Even if you're a blogger, you're seizing on that. I know. Optics-wise.

And if you're caring about what bloggers are seizing on, you're a moron. Wait a minute. No, but no. When did? We're about to have a moment where the bloggers have seizing on, you're a moron. Wait a minute, no, but no, when you're going, when did. We're about to have a moment where the bloggers have a field day on Dan. Stugance. And his humanity.

Stugance, when you are Disney and you are ill-prepared as I was, as Skipper was, as everybody was, for the cultural revolution that is coming, that Disney is too woke, LeBatard is too woke, Skipper is too woke, don't want is too woke, Skipper is too woke, don't want minority voices, don't want women telling me about sports, want SEC football, no.

It was, the culture war arrived at my doorstep. I was unprepared for it and surprised by it. You have the public reckoning of the Me Too movement and cancel culture. I mean, it sounds silly now, but cancel culture, feeling more like a real thing there Simultaneously you have Donald Trump in office who is running counterculture to what is happening in the public space But there is a very public reckoning going on over there So there's a lot of things happening in this moment in time and Dan gets chewed up a little bit by the conservative news

Media cycle which is doing pretty well running on the ESPN is woke wagon and our show is certainly figured into that equation. So Dan walk us through the rest of your day. I don't know if you try to reach out to John Skipper. I know a couple of days later you were photographed in the Carolinas with John Skipper and they're bloggers that run wild with speculation as to what you're doing there. After you find out this news, when do you get in touch with John? When do you set up, hey, I'm going to come over there. You look like you could use a friend in this moment.

So, I don't think it was a couple of days later. I'm going to say that it was the Christmas holidays, if I have this right. It felt like we were around the holidays and that was the next time that I would have time to say to him, I'll go wherever it is you are. What do you need? it felt like we were around the holidays and that was the next time that I would have time to Say to him I'll go wherever it is. You are. What do you need? Do you need somebody? Anything what's going on? And so I end up going to Winston Salem and When I'm there we go to dinner at a bar at 430 and we sit at the bar He has a martini and now after meeting with a group of people, saying hello to them,

their big fans spending 30, 45 minutes with them. You did an appearance? I did an appearance. And then they took pictures of me and send them to Shit Stain and Shit Stain published them. And what had become something that over 10 years was a silly thing that I laughed at, which is what is this Breitbart thing? What is this tea party thing? How do they keep grabbing every time I'm celebrating a black athlete being, you know,

demonstrative? How are they politicizing all that? What does it mean? Now I'm in the middle of the wars where, look at this guy, cocaine guy drinking, celebrating when only reason I was there, like I was legitimately hurt by what happened there because I was trying to do a good thing for a friend. And then I was trying to do good things for fans who were liking that they were interacting with us. And then somebody sent a picture that made it look like I'm out partying with John Skipper after he's left the company. Correct me if I'm wrong. The reasons why John stepped down weren't public knowledge, weren't even internal knowledge at that point. You might've known that.

I did not know that. No, I did not know. There's all this speculation running rampant and you're photographed at a bar. So people did take that up. Which is an odd place to be. People took that opportunity to say, look, here's Dan LeBattard enabling John Skipper,

what's going on here. And it'd be deserved if that's what was happening, but that's not what was happening. There was a person in need that I am not yet really friends with who it seems like they're going through a pretty difficult time, might be lonely, might be shameful.

How can I be helpful here? It's not something I've done before. There are not many circumstances in which I would do something like this. And what I'm telling everyone is this is not an act of friendship. It's not even an act of loyalty. I was grateful that this man did what he did for us.

Hard stop. Anyone who knows you knows that you would make that kind of trip to be that kind of support for someone who is a friend, but not a good friend. So you're saying you did it because you felt like he needed somebody and because he had supported us for as many years as he did. I get where you're getting at. And you're kind of speaking for the audience here. Well, I want them to get to know Dan,

because Dan would do something like that. And we're also speaking for the bright parts of the world that ran with this. Like, what are Dan's ulterior motives? This is a guy that just stepped down from the sporting world's most powerful position. Right. John Skipper can no longer help us.

Yeah, at his lowest point. And at that point, being so fresh, no one knows if John skipper is approaching retirement age There isn't really a power play here for Dan And if there were we've already established plenty that Dan had power and all he did with it was say leave me alone So this is not a guy that's grabbing for power. This is a genuine human moment When do you learn that this photo of you started circulating on the internet? Was it there was Was it while you

were in the Carolinas? It was that night. We went back to his home, dark, haunted, cold, an hour after that, 6 PM. Like it's not, it's not out partying. It's just, and it's deep wounding on me. Like I'm hurt by what it is that's just been done here because I'm like, Oh my God, that's so dirty. Betrayed by the fans that you were so kind to. Just all of it. Just not just that. Not just, not just all of it. Why don't talk to people?

Just all of it. What do you pictures? Felt dirty and hurtful. You'll summon that feeling right back on me now. Like I remember calling my wife walking through the airport, just sort of not feeling my legs really because of how hurt I was on how something that was well intentioned could turn into watching him take a bunch of calls with ESPN PR and everything else and then all of a sudden it's that dance where inside of the machine where this thing gets Weaponized in order to hurt it landed it landed in a place that hurt

Were you surprised for the reasons he stepped down the extortion were you surprised just knowing him the way you yeah You found out the whole story, I guess, over this evening? I don't remember how I found out, but all of the details on that, yes, I did not know that cocaine or extortion or any of that was something that was in any way in play. Were you upset with him? Disappointed? I mean, yeah. That's human.

But, but, but, but I'm not terribly judgmental that way. You do the show with me. But I'm just, I, yeah. That's a Tuesday for Stu. I'm tired. Disappointed. Certainly in the prime time days. It's my fourth show.

Yeah, not judging it though. Like yeah, I guess disappointed, but not disappointed because of human frailty or weakness, just disappointed because oh, this all sucks. Like this used to be good a few minutes ago, and now this sucks. Yeah. Can't confirm.

It did start sucking. It sucked, yes. I knew just the way that a corporate entity like Disney works that it would be a while before they named a replacement, and the way that we had seen plenty of management types come and go already over at ESPN, everyone assumes a holding pattern until the new person shows up. And it took a little bit of time.

I applied for the job. I don't doubt it. We navigate the holidays and then it's announced that Jimmy Pettaro is replacing John Skipper. I didn't really know Jimmy at all. I asked Dan if he knew Jimmy. There wasn't an existing relationship but Dan at this point you are one of ESPN's marquee personalities. You have their top digital audio property, their top, well, mic and mic are still going at this time, I believe. So not the Cadillac, but pretty damn close and highly questionable as a linchpin of their afternoon programming.

How soon was it before you heard from Jimmy Patara? Again, you're asking me to parse through some details that I don't remember and didn't think enough to think important at the time because you have to understand that even with 18 months of warning, I was still somewhat blindsided by everything that happened at the end of the ESPN, at least in part because Mike had done such a good job of insulating me from actually knowing how problematic any of what we were doing was to God's cause I don't know what was falling on Mike, but in retrospect, I'm guessing

we're going to get into some stuff that a lot was falling on Mike that was too much for Mike to handle because the number one job of Mike since back through Hawk is protect Dan. Yeah. Well in 2018, I'm going through a lot and it's not just work. In fact, work was actually worse a couple of years before, probably a year and a half before we covered that, the Fusion stuff, the other studio. And I told you in a previous episode, I was right in check, said I was about to cash.

I'm cashing them around this time. So it's not, for me personally, not a great time for me whatsoever. I'll tell the audience, like, I am having a really difficult time at this point with my own mental health. And learning what that means, I was suffering real burnout. I was adrenally fatigued and I was running out of answers. I had loads of questions and I didn't understand what was going on.

And I was in a desperate search to identify what was going on. But for the audience, I had in my mind a callous against therapy and medication for these things because of my history with my mother who ultimately passed away because of her addiction to prescription meds and abusing the system. And she would go to anyone and anyone, anyone and everyone who would write her a prescription for these things. And a lot of those houses along Bird Road, those standalone homes that are also clinics, my mom hit every single one of those up. And so I had formed quite a bit of resentment towards mental health ailments and my mother as well at that point and I had always done so well at that point in my life and pushing things down

that human body and the brain is kind of like a dam. Once one thing squirts out, and for me it was work, that was the thing that got me. The entire integrity, the architectural integrity of what's going on just breaks and collapses. and that was all happening to me in that moment so what was it about the work though that because I remember talking to you quite a bit on the yeah so Dan and I have talked to this out Dan in an effort to get me better because I was really struggling upholding our standard and

also being a people person and managing people I was growing into that role this job both jobs both of our jobs come with a lot of pressure. Yeah. I understood what it is you were going through. I had a really high standard and Dan, this is going to sound messed out because in part it was. Dan canvassed it all. He probably asked you a couple of questions. Ways to get Mike better, like as a more effective leader, as a better manager of people. But what had ended up happening was Dan compiled like a 17 page dossier of the

worst fucking things you can imagine about me. And there was no positives. It was all critiques. A lot of them were just flat out lies. A lot of them I can tell who they were coming from. A lot of people I could identify their resentments there. I was on a hammock in the keys and I was cracking and I saw this email come in and it rocked my world, rocked my world. There was no coming back from it. That was the vacation that I later went to Oregon to watch Jack White and I was at a Jack White concert and I was front row and he was killing it and he's my favorite artist. And I left

the concert early because I was like, I don't deserve this. And I don't know what any of these feelings mean. So I finally crack and I'm like, let me talk to somebody so I can figure out what's going on. After I talked to a therapist, I started identifying everything that's going on in my life. And once you give it a name, it has to get worse before it gets better. And that's what happened to me. I am becoming more aware of what those things, realizing that I had actually been dealing with anxiety and depression all my life, just not knowing it. Realizing that the tingling in my fingers, the palpitations, the shortness of breath, all of that is tied into my mental health, the GI issues at this point, my stomach was a fucking mess. I had a couple of colonoscopies at that point.

I just couldn't identify it. And then I realized that this was all a byproduct of stress. Keep in mind, work was the first thing that went out. I had personal life issues going like my wife and I were dealing with stuff. And then on top of this, every time I opened that studio door in the Clevelander, I was armed with the knowledge that everybody truly resented me because I had seen their honest thoughts or thoughts that Dan had pushed like, no, let's really give it to him so he can get out of this.

Mike needs to hear it. Yeah. Which I went and told my therapist about it. She thought Dan was batshit crazy because this is a terrible exercise. Mind-taken. Well, just to be clear though, that the way that all of that came to be is just because the tensions with Mike in the room were such that I simply wanted to go around the entirety of the room, get everyone's thoughts, present them to Mike,

not as something that was presented from one voice, but how do we make all of this better? So what Mike is receiving is a 17 page dossier of all the things that he's done wrong is really just something meant to be, hey Mike, can you help me fix this? Are you aware that these are the issues that some people have with you?

Version I wrote I thought was the soft one. Oh, you made some edits, huh? It wasn't meant to rip him. Look man, I've seen Shannon Sharp talk. It's a terrible idea, but. I've seen Shannon Sharp talk about this saying like, working for me is not for everybody. Like working for Mike and me and what it is

that we wanted to do there in terms of sharpening the standard is not for everybody. And there were plenty of resentments in an environment that had a lot of feelings in it and feelings don't matter as much as making the thing right so that the people want to listen to it. So I remember like my first day back, cause it was like,

I got that over like a two and a half week break and I was just standing outside the main studio door, like terrified open, not wanting to walk. I didn't want to walk. It was a place I wanted to be in the least. And it was like, you know that great movie with Roddy Piper, they live where he put on the sunglasses movie with Roddy Piper. They live is, um, um, I'm here to chew bubble gum and kick some ass and I'm all out of chewing gum. You're making it sound great now. Yeah well he puts on these glasses. John Carpenter directed it. He puts on these glasses and he sees like all these ghouls that are hiding in plain sight

and like for like six months I just was I had the Roddy Piper sunglasses on and so like I knew like I was being fake with people. I was also like, again, through therapy I learned how I would self-medicate would be through caffeine. Caffeine, as many people now know because the mental health conversation is more public and more well known, not a good thing for anxiety and depression. It exacerbates all that stuff. But for me as a performer and those who listen to the local hour in 2017 know this, I was doing eight red bulls a day. I was talking really fast. I was masking a lot of insecurities. I was also masking the fact that I knew everyone around me

hated me, which probably wasn't accurate at that time. People probably in a vacuum had plenty of nice things to say about me too, but all I saw was resentment. And I just felt like shit for a very long time. And this actually leads, this is quite the, but I knew I would have to talk about this at a certain point. I'm cracking. Dan knows that I'm cracking. I pulled suicide too, and he knows that I'm cracking. This actually leads, this is quite the, but I knew I would have to talk about this at a certain point.

I'm cracking. Dan knows that I'm cracking. I pulled suicide too, and he knows that I'm cracking. He knows some of the things that led to me cracking. My life was hell at this point. There was a lot of things going sideways. And I also pulled members of the shipping container and had individual meetings with all of them to try to explain why my behavior is erratic, what happened, was.

So around 2018, this is all coming to a head, and my therapist, God bless her, she taught me how to identify these things and she wanted me in the worst way to evacuate from a stressful situation. And I'm like, that really isn't an option for me because I'm live on the air. And she told me, the next time you're in this situation, you remove yourself from that situation. Me, in an effort to give myself over to this thing that I have all sorts of questions about and not fully trusting, I am giving myself over to this process. Want to follow her instruction. This is professionally just about the worst thing I've ever done, but I'm following my therapist's advice. In 2018, I'm having a really rough day. Keep in mind,

we're launching the Labattr and Friends Network at this time, and a lot of the feedback that I got in that dossier was that I was handing my work off to other people. That I was just delegating all this. Which wasn't really true, but okay, I took that to heart. So I see that feedback, and then I just decide I'm gonna put everything on my shoulders. And so for the entire network,

keep in mind all the shows that we launched with, I am EPing every single one of those. Those who are familiar with my editing style and meticulously edit, I don't have a free moment in my life at this point. I am just, I have a furnace and I'm just putting more coals in it and I'm burning myself out. So I have that happening and I heed my therapist's advice. I'm having a really rough morning, quite frankly, I shouldn't have been in that day. I never did this ever, which is also following my therapist's advice, which was tell Dan and Stu how you're feeling that day so they know to be careful around you.

And I did. And Dan and I had a contentious back and forth on the air where I tried to correct him on something. I don't even remember what it was. And Dan pushed on me. And from my perspective, I was like, God damn you, Dan. Like I told you. When do I ever do this?

Not today. I told you out of all the days, like not today, why are you trying me like this? And it's starting to bubble over and I just say, all right, I'm gonna leave. And Dan says, okay, go. And this is like in the middle of a commercial break. I just up and leave the studio. I was mad at you. Everybody was. Everybody was because they don't know the backstory. They don't know that I'm following a therapist's advice. Let me clear that up for a second.

I was mad at you because Lord knows I have had my share of really shitty days doing this show sitting next to Dan, but I stayed put. Yeah. I wanted to stay put. And so I was mad at you for that reason. Yeah. I would have stayed put, but I'm giving myself over in an effort to get better to what my therapist wants, no matter my own apprehensions.

So- To be fair to me, by the way, I've had my share of shitty days sitting next to everybody and also stayed put. Like, we've been together, I'm not totally sure. We've been together 20 years, there's a lot of shit here. And only one of us is being called a dumbass on a daily basis. I have to, I understand, because I would label it too.

I would couch that, like, I've had plenty of shitty days. There were plenty of shitty days I toughed it out through during that stretch. I'm following my therapist's advice this is like against my better judgment right I am giving myself over to that and I understood the pitfalls of making that decision then and there I leave I try to explain as best I can on my way out like I have to go I can't be in this situation I'm not in the right headspace no one in the shipping container really understands what I'm going through at the time so they are

just flabbergasted by this. I get up and leave. I remember I call my wife and I say, Hey, I told my wife everything and I told her about like my therapy sessions. And I told her about like that one thing that my therapist had been harping on. Like if you're in a really stressful situation, evacuate. I'm like, I, I did it. I know Dan's going to try to call me, know that I'm okay. I'm just going to shut my phone off. I know that this is probably gonna change my career forever,

but I'm at peace with that because I'm committed to getting right. And I told her, people are probably gonna call you, just know that I'm okay. I just don't wanna deal with it. I need my phone off. I don't need that trigger. I walked the beach for like 40 minutes

because at that point, like I figured out that water really helped me through those things. Then I drove home and I got a haircut. I was just going through my day and I was surprised to learn that with my phone off I wasn't constantly reminded of what had happened. I had already made sure that my wife wasn't worried and I got all the serenity that I needed from that moment. So I was like okay that's a pretty cool data point. You did answer one call that day. No. My call. Oh well later on. Well I got home. No I begged you to call Dan. Yeah, I got home and

Even though I had called my wife telling her look people may reach out to you everyone I had come to learn over the course of the two hours that no one could reach me was really scared for me because I was Doing something totally out of character and they didn't have the benefit of the call that I gave my wife Which is hey, I swear I'm good. People are to jump to all sorts of conclusions here. I'm not suicidal. I'm sorry if that's a trigger warning. I'm not going to harm myself. I'm not going to go to a bar. I'm not doing any of that stuff. I wasn't really doing any of that stuff. Then I'm just going to unplug and get away from this really terrible

environment for me. No one else had that background knowledge. So everyone was well within their rights to freak out, to worry. Forever changed my relationship with the shipping container after that day. Forever changed my relationship with you guys because you guys had never seen that part of me. You guys knew that I was going through something. At that point, I was very emaciated. I was down to like 205 pounds

because the constant anxiety and depression that I had was just burning crazy calories. And not that you, I don't know that you were necessarily drinking too much. I wouldn't suggest that, but you were learning just like you were learning that caffeine could be something around anxiety. Any amount of drinking is like lighter fluid around that in terms of making someone sad. Right.

I had pretty good knowledge because I lost my uncle to alcoholism and I lost my mom to drug addiction. And I knew that if I ran away from my problems went to my favorite bar had A drink that I would feel immediate relief But I had good enough governors in place to know like if I feel too good I got to get out of there too because the next morning I'll feel depressed you'll feel worse Yeah, I never had an issue with drinking but it was Soothing in ways that I was aware of and afraid of because I guess genetically I might have that in me

But no I left the studio and got a haircut pretty lame But then I finally spoke to my wife who had been getting direct calls from you Dan and she got freaked out over the course Oh, I was calling her relentlessly. Can we just like try to laugh at this a little you can't storm out of the studio and go Get a haircut. I didn't immediately I did walk the beach for 40 minutes. Okay. Well, but then I got a haircut Right funnier though. You just gotta like you gotta go I get't immediately. I did walk the beach for 40 minutes. Okay, well, but then I got a haircut. Right. Funnier though, you just gotta like, you gotta go like get fucked up. You gotta go. Makes for a better story. You gotta go on vacation. You gotta just get away. Matt, Club Deuce was right there. Little walk on the beach and a haircut. A great bar to be sat and just have a drink by yourself.

I know, but you left me alone with him for a walk on the beach and a haircut. He was emotional. He was erect. No, I left. I left and there was an explosion behind me and that explosion could have very well been my career at that point. Thankfully it wasn't. I don't know why you would think that. There aren't those kinds of consequences. Oh, he thought it. Around anything that we do. Like that's not- I'm at ESPN. Dan, he's in a bad place. You have everyone writing bad things about him. I mean he asked you not to poke him. You poked him. He walks out. He's in a bad place. And he, listen, he broke one of the cardinal rules of doing a live show.

Don't walk out on the show. He walked out on me and you. And Mike, when I talked to him, was nervous that you were gonna get rid of him. This wasn't 790. This wasn't the independent days. Like I had left an ESPN management position in the middle of my shift.

With no plan in the back. Okay, so okay so that's how it would work at ESPN all right we're not saying that's how it worked with us that's how it works in big corporations okay but I know how I was experiencing what it is that we are talking about I don't have the recollection I have some of this information right I know Mike is going through it I don't remember the particulars of Mike needing a relief there or me having to be gentle wherever Mike is.

I would tell you that at that point I had gotten to the point wherever it is that we had been frustrated after the fusion stuff and everything else that I was trying to fix our environment and the feelings in our environment by bringing to my chief management guy some of the issues and feelings that the other people we care about have about our environment. And as you're saying that Mike is lame for going off and getting a haircut, the oral history movie of this becomes even lamer when you see him getting haircut. And I'm on the second floor of the Clevelander on the carpet sitting down sobbing because I think he's going to harm himself

Calling his wife and talking to her about are you sure he's okay? Because this is so out of character that I'm worried if he's not answering his phone if he's left if he's got all this other Stuff going on if also probably some guilt going on So now I'm pissed at you because I'm dealing with all this shit back at the studio And you're getting a trim like are you kidding me? It's just great It's great haircut when you think of it It is great the idea of his career might be over or his boss quote unquote It's sobbing because he think he might hurt himself because others in an environment has heard his feelings. Yeah, I Did have a real Western we're making here

Yeah, I did have some real Western we're making here. Real fucked up family here, man. I did have some regret for putting Dan through that, no doubt, but at the same time, I'm like, how about me? Fucking told you guys that morning. You sent me a text. I told you guys. You sent me a text. I don't know where you were, but you said,

Stu, you're the only one on the show who loves me. So how about me? Yeah, I couldn't tell from that dossier which of the complaints were yours. I didn't write anything, I don't think. I don't think I asked Stugatz. He did it. I went around the room. I don't think Stugatz was any of the sources. The source material.

I would have finished it. Look, I have a lot of ownership from the air of my ways. I could have talked better to people, especially younger people at the time, about I couldn't really communicate what the standard was. A lot of the stuff was living in my head and I just wasn't a good manager. I wasn't a great communicator. I wasn't great with emails. Like there's a lot of reasons why people had 17 pages worth of critiques for me. I will say that even though we had those critiques, at this point we were arguably the biggest thing in sports in terms of content. Yes. So I'm

not justifying my actions, I'm just saying like my standard being upheld did have us at a certain level and my standard was Dan's standard. I was just fully indoctrinated in what Dan's standard was and it was my job to keep all that away from Dan, know that people were upholding his standard but interpersonally it did cause some strife and some resentment, some stuff that I'm still trying to dig myself out of today. It did leave me in a bit of a pickle with ESPN to circle back to the main narrative of this episode. I thought I'd get suspended at the very least from ESPN. ESPN was supportive of me. I reported directly to Liam and Amanda. They had known for quite some time that I was not going well. How'd they know?

I was honest with them. They would ask me how I'm doing. I had a trip to London. That was the lowest part of my life. It was a great trip. I went for boxing day. I went with my friend Eves and Chris Whittingham. And we had had a wonderful trip.

But I was a fucking mess. And there was one night I came home to the flat. I was in the shower. And next moment, I was on the floor, hyperventilating, crying, looking at pictures of my family, wondering what the fuck is going on with me. I'd called Dan. I had reached out to Dan like, Dan, I don't know what's, I don't know what's going on with me. I think I have to go to a hospital here. I was prepared to check myself in to a mental health facility across the pond

because I was just in loads of despair. So Dan had also known, this was prior to me walking out, this was a catalyst of me really fucking trying to dig in and help myself because I couldn't live that way. I never once ever thought about self harm. I always knew that I could get through it, but at that point I was out of answers and I didn't have a playbook

and I didn't know how to identify these things that were going on. So I came back and everyone had, those in my family knew, Dan knew, I let Liam and Amanda know that, look, I don't even know if I should be here right now but I'm seeking this treatment and ESPN didn't really have those programs in place for me. They were supportive of it but this was a different time and they found out about that and you know they knew that I could have handled that a lot better but

they backed me up and Liam had been executive producer of Mike and Mike, a different standard but he knew and he was also overseeing our show for a time So he knew the stuff that I was keeping away from Dan and the pressure cooker that I was under so he was very Comforting in that moment and I had support in the right places and I also had support from Dan Even though he's you know crying on the floor thinking that he might have been the catalyst for something really awful It was coming from a good place He was caring all of this stuff came from Dan caring about me in ways that no one had ever really cared about me in my life. I didn't have that relationship with my dad. I certainly didn't have that relationship with my

mother who had long since passed. This was Dan everything was Dan caring in ways that no one had ever really cared for me outside of my wife. And I knew that if Dan was approaching me on that level I could resent like little actions here or there. I could resent like little triggers. I can resent the dossier, but I never once ever doubted where they were coming from, which was to get me to be the best version of myself across the board. So Dan and I, even though we had that moment there where I eject and Dan has his own emotional breakdown, we were good. Probably closer, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think then and there Dan had a pretty good idea

of what was living inside my head and it did make us closer. Having gone through closer, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think then and there, Dan had a pretty good idea of what was living inside my head and it did make us closer, having gone through that. It wasn't an expected result, but I'm grateful for it because he could've fired me. He could've, he had the power at ESPN.

Never a consideration, Mike. Like, I don't even know what you're talking about. He could've, though. I mean, that's what goes through your mind when Mike's going through what- That's what we talked about? Yeah, we talked about it. That's what Stu gots.

You guys have my back in ways after you saw something totally out of character for me. Totally out of character for me. But probably creates in the room some preferential treatment of how does he get away with that when like. I'm thinking about walking out right now. I mean, get a haircut, walk on the beach. I don't know what the content of that note is.

It didn't seem like 17 pages, but it was probably long. I don't know how any of the people, maybe we'll hear from them on how they experienced any of. It was four pages, felt it was probably long. I don't know how any of the people, maybe we'll hear from them on how they experienced any of. It was four pages, felt like 17 to Mike. I mean, but again, again though, it's just stuff that had never been. It was one of those where I'd scroll and I'd just land on a certain word

and I'd scroll again. It was never a good word. Stugats, but think about what I'm trying to do there. I'm interviewing the people in the shipping container for 60 to 90 minutes. Okay, tell me everything that I need to bring to Mike so that this can all be something that feels a little bit better to everybody. Right? Tell me what I don't know. I know what you're doing, but that's some real Bond villain shit.

You're lucky he forgave you. So he doesn't know how to manage people. I don't know how to manage people, now I'm getting involved in the management of people to help him manage people. Well you managed him, you helped him. I'm better for it and I had to kind of spiral for a little bit to realize how to avoid it because I was on a path where it was just totally unsustainable. Like physically it was manifesting over me. Well what changes did you make?

Because I think for all three of us, right? Yeah, well, I should take this. And for Billy and for Chris. At times, and I'm really protective of Chris and Billy because I saw what happened to you, and I know some of the stuff that I personally went through. Because we all put content first. The show comes first.

The show came ahead of my family. I have regrets over that. I have spoken to people about some of that stuff. And so what changes did you make after that? Did you find yourself putting family first before the show? I found... Yourself first? No, I definitely, look, I had to keep working,

especially as 2018, 2019, I guess, we'll kick some of this sound into the next episode, but... Really has become a mental health episode out of nowhere. It is, and I kind of should take this opportunity to like speak to the audience and then I'm kind of sharing this because God bless Tony reality by the way I don't make it through any of that without Tony reality and I've never let that be known publicly Because I was going through a lot of stuff that I knew he had gone through and I not work related No

But I was just grasping at anybody and Tony reality who I didn't have like this great really like we just knew each other It's funny where you find it, huh? Admire of his work, but everybody I had enough mutual friends that told me that you know Tony was his salt of the earth guy and I flew up to New York just to see Tony just to see Tony I think I ended up having really bland carnitas at Will Cain's house on this trip, too Oh, that's a good name for a book. Really bland carnitas at Will Kane's house. What happened to Will Kane? He's still flourishing, Stigots.

You just don't watch those channels. Yeah, Will was actually a friend of mine at that point. And we are no longer friends. FS1. But Tony Reali, and I know he kind of shies away from this stuff. Tony Reali was a lifesaver for me in terms of normalizing and see like this guy operates at a high level.

I have immense respect for him. He works in this highly creative environment and you would never know what was going on with his life until he took the opportunity to share some of that stuff. And I knew how powerful it was to see someone that had gone through similar things, give voice to it. How does this guy have it all together? So I went to him in a quest to find out how he did. So you asked me like what I did. I talked to people that had gone through therapy. I then found my own therapist. I identified my triggers through therapy. I identified ways to deal with that. Sometimes it was leaving. Sometimes it was going to water. You know how some people visualize water? I learned through that through many failed attempts

of meditation in an effort to get better that I wasn't good at meditating. I had to literally go to water because I couldn't visualize it. I guess my mind was racing. Breathing exercises. I took breathing classes. Ultimately, and this is not the path for everybody, I dealt with bad anxiety and stress through 2022 and then ultimately, and this isn't the answer for everybody, despite my own hesitance, I spoke to a doctor. I had already been clinically diagnosed for depression. I had always said no, I don't want any of that stuff because of my mom's addiction history. And then I got on Lexapro, which my doctor talked me into because ultimately there were some cases of people that had gone

through the full treatment of Lexapro and had dosed down and followed doctor's orders when it came to that stuff and could eventually conquer it and not need the medication altogether. So it wasn't a high percentage but I wanted to try that as opposed to just popping a pill, a zany, whenever I felt anxiety because I didn't want that dependency. I'd identified that having a bourbon on the rocks made me feel better. I didn't want that in pill form. Stugatz, when you think about the cost, the cost of things, the tax, the price on some of what it is that we've done around here.

Mike Ryan did not learn to be an executive by any of the traditional executive paths. He just sort of learned how to do those things in and around us conquering at the beginning an anger problem on wherever it is these feelings were pushed down and then came up. And him and I having the back and forth of like like that can't be what we have here to growing into this space where he is now as an executive vastly more patient and understanding than I am because he has gone through what some of these things are to sharpen him and harden him into somebody who could grow on the other side of what was profound pain. Yeah. In the next episode, we'll talk about the beginning of the end. Lighten it up, huh? harden him into somebody who could grow on the other side of what was profound pain.

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Yes or no, please. Yes or no, please. You know, I'm happy to do yes or no. You can you can elaborate afterwards. I just want to know if you were aware of that plan like you if you did you approve a plan that had slash payroll again for South Florida? We do not approve operating decisions by any ownership new owner rob current owners or not and as a result the answer to that question is no i'm not going to be deposed

this is some adversary thing you want to ask me questions i'll answer in the way that i want to answer the okay but that's not enough we can move on who is bruce sherman who is he and and and why did why was he approved because all the bids came in low on on cash that that's actually not true i think i mean i know you keep saying these things on the radio but you have no idea what the cash was in this deal the fact of the matter is this club after the transaction had the same amount of debt as it had pre-transaction

rob i know that part the reason i interrupt is because i think you cared more about that one point two billion dollar asking price than you did about the fans of south florida yet well can i tell you something uh... you actually have no idea what i care about and don't care about the fact of the matter is a competitive club in each one of our 30 markets is my foremost concern. Rob, you got a problem here now though because you're not going to have many fans, they want

to get the revenue up. They're not going to be able to get the revenue up because of the hostility in this market because this has happened four times. I believe that they are committed to winning and you know it's going to take some time to see who's right all right yeah i don't i believe they're committed to making money and i believe you've made it very easy for them to make money whether they have fans or not and i don't and and i don't know that that's refutable isn't really clear about that if you believe it's easy to make money in south florida with major league baseball you are really dramatically ill-informed i know but I don't understand. The stadium was supposed to. Yeah.

Jeffy Luria just made one, two million and he bought in for 10 million. He made over a billion dollars, commissioner. All right, we got to go. I'm sorry, commissioner. We're 10 minutes past time. Thank you for, I appreciate you being respectful. Thank you, sir. All right. Bye. Oh, Oh Rob. You're too astute I'm getting cranky You've seen the books And that drives me wild I know your boss

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With your tough talk I'll make you kneel We're corporate partners. I'm just a Manfred boy I keep playing coy I'm just a Manfred boy I'm not a Manfred boy. Manfred boy. I'm not a sea leak boy. Sea. Leak. Yeah.

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Juice. On ESPN Radio. Chris Sims joins us now. We heard that you had Blake Bortles ranked as the 70th ranked quarterback in the NFL. And we just wanted to check in with you to find out who was 69th and who was 71st. So 69, I'd probably go with Austin Davis, the backup quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks.

And then 71, I'm gonna go Cody Kessler of the Cleveland Browns. Now, can I put this into context of how I got to this conversation a little bit? No. So who's number 68? Number 68, I'd have to go with TJ Yates. Okay, would you be okay with us calling you every day until we've gotten to number one?

Holy cow. That's a long time. Please. I do have a job, but I think we can manage it. I like you and Sugat's enough to work around my schedule and figure this out. It's only pain in the butt is I'm gonna actually have to figure out my next 67 here. Okay. The 67th best quarterback. It is Cardale Jones the third string quarterback for the Los Angeles Chargers. The 66th best quarterback. Dun-dun-dun-dun! It's Brandon Whedon of the Tennessee Tigers!

Wow! Wow, man! The 65th best quarterback. Dun-dun-dun-dun! CJ Beathard! Yeah! Alright! Woohoo! CJ Beathard!

The 64th best quarterback in the world! It is Sean Mannion, backup quarterback, Los Angeles Rams. All right, I have no idea who that is. Number 63 is? Jake Ruddock, backup quarterback, Detroit Lions. Wow. Wow, congratulations Jake. Wow, way to go Jake.

Number 62, go baby. Cooper Rush, backup quarterback, Dallas Cowboys. Woo! Nice, nice. Number 62. That's the first time I've heard that name. Cooper Rush, backup quarterback Dallas Cowboys. Woo! Nice. Nice. Number 62. That's the first time I've heard that name. Well, the last three names, I've never

heard of any of those people. The 61st best quarterback in the world. Nathan Peterman, Buffalo Bills. Wow. Wow. You've got Peterman being better than Bortles. The 60th best quarterback. Landry Jones, backup quarterback Steelers.

Woo! The 59th best quarterback. Paxton Lynch, quarterback Denver Broncos. Wow. Ooh, really? Wow. Number 58, Chris Sims. Matt Castle, Titus E. Titans.

Wow. Wow, Matt Castle. Number 57. Ryan Mallett, quarterback Ravens. Wow. All right, Chris, that castle. Number 57. Ryan Mallet, quarterback Ravens. Wow. All right Chris, thank you. We will talk to you tomorrow. Number 56.

DeSean Kaiser, Cleveland Browns. Wow. Whoa. Hello. Number 55. Brock Oswalt, Denver Broncos. Come on. Come on.

The 54th best quarterback. Tom Savage Houston Texans. Number 53 according to Chris Sims is? Brian Hoyer New England Patriots. I'm blowing your mind away out here guys. The 52nd best quarterback. Matt Schaub, Atlanta Falcons. Wow. The 51st best quarterback in the world. Chad Henney, Jacksonville Jaguars. Wait, he's got their backup quarterback. 19 spots ahead of their actual quarterback.

They win the Super Bowl with a backup. And he's totally right. 50th best quarterback. Mark Sanchez, Chicago best. Oh, for the love of God. Oh, for the love of God. Who's 49? Teddy Bridgewater Minnesota Vikings. That's low. Number 48. Kellen Clemens Los Angeles Chargers. Is he still in the league? He's not still in the league. The 47th

best quarterback. Chases, New Orleans Saints Number 46, what do you got for a sims number 46 is EJ manual backup quarterback Oakland Raiders EJ manual the 45th best quarterback Blaine Gabbard Arizona Cardinals The 44th best quarterback. Drew Stanton, Arizona Cardinals. Number 43. Matt Moore, Miami Dolphins. Number 42.

Trevor Simeon, Denver Broncos. Really? And now the 41st best quarterback. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The 40th best quarterback. Mike Glennon, Chicago Bears. The 39th best quarterback. Derrick Anderson, Carolina Panthers.

Chris Sims is 38th best quarterback. Eli Manning, New York Giants. Woo! Wow! Wow. That is low! Every time you come on this show, you create a problem that rattles cages

and creates more difficulty in your life. Hey, it's part of the job. The 37th best quarterback, according to Chris Sims, is? Geno Smith, New York Giants. Whoa! Oh my God! Ahead of Eli! Ahead of Eli!

You are a genius! Shocking! Number 36. Colt McCoy, Washington Redskins. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. Wow.

35th ranked quarterback. Brett Hunley, Green Bay Packers. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. I like it. This list is really getting good now. The 34th best quarterback through Mina Kimes is... I do not condone this but it is AJ McCarron. What?

Wow. Who said it? Was it Samson says what? That was me, yeah, but she doesn't condone this? What? The 33rd best quarterback in the world. Nick Foles, Philadelphia Eagles. The 32nd best quarterback. Carson Palmer, Arizona Carson.

Oh you limped in with that one. Go ahead and give us your 31st best quarterback. The Miami Dolphins Jay Cutler Number 30 Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chief Whoa? the 29th best quarterback Josh McCown New York Jets Number 28 Jacoby Brissette Indianapolis Colts. Wow. Wow. Before last season started this is where I would have put like a Colin Kaepernick. 27th best quarterback in the universe. Ryan Tannehill Miami Dolphins. Wow. Very low. The 26th best quarterback Tyrod Taylor, Buffalo Bills. Number 25. Oh it's a special day it's Andy Dolphin Cincinnati Bengals., that's too high. Number 24. Mitchell Trubisky, Chicago Bears.

The 23rd best quarterback. Sam Bradford, Minnesota Vikings. Perfect, Billy. Yeah, great work, Billy. The 22nd best quarterback. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens. Wow. The 21st best quarterback.

Case Keenum, Minnesota Vikings. Oh! Wow. Number 20. It's Jared Goff, number 20, from Los Angeles Rams. Whoa! The 19th best quarterback in the world is? Marcus Mariota, Tennessee Titans.

18th best quarterback is? Jack Frescott, Dallas Cowboys. Wow! Wow. The 17th best quarterback? Alex Smith, Kansas City Chiefs. Wow. Washington Redskins, I don't know what team he's on right now.

The 16th best quarterback. Jameis Winston. Oh, wow. 15th best quarterback. Jimmy Garoppolo, 49ers. Wow. The number 14 best quarterback in the world. Derek Carr, Oakland Raiders.

Wow, the 13th best quarterback. Philip Rivers, Los Angeles Chargers. The 12th best quarterback in the universe. Kurt Cousins. Yeah! Nailed it. The 11th best quarterback in the world. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts.

Oh! The 10th best quarterback in the world? Drew Brees, New Orleans State. Oh! What? Oh! Number 9 quarterback. Matt Ryan, the Atlanta Falcons.

Whoa! Wow, man! The 8th best quarterback in the universe universe is Big Ben Roppelsberger. Wow! The seventh best quarterback, Deshaun Watson, Easton Texans. The number six quarterback in the universe according to Chris Sims is Cam Newton The number five quarterback in the universe

according to Chris Sims of bleacher report is Matthew Stafford Detroit Lions How you like them apples of a tart Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions. Yeah. Boom. How you like them apples, Levatore? The fourth best quarterback in the universe, according to Chris Sims of Bleacher Report, is? Tom Brady, New England Patriots. Whoa!

You've got to baby baby getting me the number three quarterback in the universe according to Chris Sims of bleacher report is Carson Wentz Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh kjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj to Chris Sims is Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawks so who's number one number one is the greatest quarterback of all time as you've heard me say before and that is Aaron Rodgers I know you like to refer to referred to, I'm ready as the ghost. Number one is Aaron Rodgers! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

Oh, Aaron Rodgers! Woo! Woo! Hey, you deserve this! Hey, hey, hey! Huh, huh, huh, huh, huh! Aaron Rodgers number one! Aaron Rodgers number one!

I think after your stupid comments, I might know more about quarterbacks, because guess what? Dave Caldwell isn't making the decision, it's Tom Coughlin he's in charge down here now. Wow. So what do you say about that? He was a little stuff. Take that and put that in your pipe and smoke it. Whoa! That's fine listen I'm not gonna mess with you but that's just the way I feel and I study this hard but I can also tell you that most of the coaches didn't want your job in Jacksonville last year either because they didn't want to deal with Blake Bortles either. That's true. That's true. That's true. And guess what? Most of those coaches are at home right now watching the

playoffs as we play Sunday. Obviously you better watch the film a little closer. No. Tony, I mean every quarterback in high school football would have hit some of those throws last week. I watched it. That's all. Sims, are you sweating at all?'t, I didn't. That's all. He's got, Sims, are you sweating at all? No, I'm with Sims on this. I would be sweating if I see Tony in person.

I promise you I'll be walking the other way. Well, Sims is right. Sims is right about this. He's got Sean Mannion six spots ahead of Blake Bortles, Baseli. Dan, Dan, he is not right. And first of all, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You wouldn't know how and evaluate any football player in position. You're clueless. Baseli, are you still taking checks from the Jaguars? Yes or no? That has nothing to do with this conversation. Ah! Yes or no answer my question Baseli! Yes or no you're taking, you're taking checks personally from Coughlin to do this infomercial stuff, selling Blake Bortles when we all know he stinks. I can't confirm or deny that I'm taking money from this. I know it! I know it! You've been smoked out, Baccelli! I got Baccelli, you wolf cartouche!

I got you! How many millions are they paying you to be Baghdad Bruski and sell your soul to defend Blake Bortles when you know very well that he stinks say it before we get out of here I want to bully the bully Basselli admit on the paycheck I think you have from the Jags that Bortle stinks say it no he's not great Baghdad Basselli I am top of the food chain greatest you've ever seen and I just showed it to you last goddamn season and you took the ball out of my hands and forked down at the end of the food chain greatest you've ever seen. And I just showed it to you last goddamn season. And you took the ball out of my hands and forked down at the end of the season.

And you want me to keep coming back to this bullshit as LeBron James runs his sport. Like, f*** you. Yeah, yeah. That's why you're my mother f*** right there. I'm a three, okay? A hundred percent. Please cut it up for me.

I just want Chris to hear before he leaves what he sounded like when he said that. I think he nailed it. Okay. I think also, you know, you're just looking at me and you're judging a book by its cover a little bit. You're like, Oh, there's Johnny white guy with the hair combed over and he's all buttoned up. And what I want to go and say, go, Hey, you, I'm from Jersey. You don't know what I'm all about. That's what I was. Yeah! Woo! Woo! So then are you, so are you, or are you not my mother?

My mother until the day we die. Okay. You are my mofo. Can we escalate to this up to a point where you and I are such mother that I'm tattooing your initials into my body and you're tattooing mine into yours because we're mother like that*** like that mother f*****. How about me and you, Seth?

Let's start with me and you. No f***** chance. Am I ever getting anything of you on my body? No chance. I'm a rookie. I'm in the facility for one of the first times ever in Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers just won the Super Bowl

a few months before that. I go into Gruden's office. He says hello to me. He goes, hey, make sure you get around and introduce yourself to the veteran players. And I'm like, okay, sure. So I bust into the locker room, I look ahead of me, I mean, straight ahead, 12 o'clock, Warren Sapp's locker. I'm like, oh, great.

I've been meeting, I wasn't wanting to meet Warren Sapp. I stick out my hand, he goes, get the hell out of my face. Don't even talk to me until you've won a game and just totally knock the cool out of my walk but then from there on made me his rookie haze and I was his cracker cracker that's what he called me okay. You like that? I always had to have a can of coal on me at all times and I had to carry his bags up to his room The day before a game on road trips and then he would throw a 20 on the floor like I was too prideful to pick It up and I picked it up every time

But he'd look at me and he'd walk in a meeting room and go hey Cracker and I'd have to throw him a can of Skull. Always had it on me except one time and that was a fearful moment. Wait a minute, what happened the one time you didn't have it on you? So the one time I didn't have it on me, we're playing the Redskins, and I wake up that morning and I look in my bag and I go, oh no,

I got no cans of Skull, holy cow. What am I gonna do? And we have team breakfast and I'm going, okay, well I'm just gonna wait in my room until the last five minutes of team breakfast. Hopefully Saps not in there. I'll go in, I'll eat, and I'll get on the bus and try to avoid him.

So I hide, he's not in the room. I go down there, I eat breakfast, I'm in the corner. I'm going, oh man, I'm gonna make it. And all of a sudden, right as I'm getting done with my meal, comes through the door, hey, cracker, cracker. And he holds out his hand like he wants me to throw him something. I just look at him like a beaten puppy

and I just shake my head like no, oh my gosh, he berated me with four-lettered words and just embarrassed me in front of the whole team. But now looking back on it, great moment. Terry Bradshaw is with us here. Again, as Stu got got said Fox NFL Sunday is where you catch him four times Super Bowl champion. I've seen you nude. Yeah. Yeah. Why the fight? Why the fight? Yeah. Is there any good story that you

could tell us from failure to launch and and you being nude when you did that scene was it uncomfortable? Were there what happened? I would okay. Here's here's the story so the director Jeff Die I mean Tom day comes to me and says when I read for that part failure to launch and I Actually got out. I did lie. I did get a role. I did get the role for two movies by reading. But anyway, he said, look, there's a scene where we're going to have a naked room and you have a

choice. We know that you're Baptist and a Christian and your family might not approve, but we would prefer you be a naked and otherwise wear some boxer shorts. And I said, whoa, I don't, boy, my mom and dad would not approve of me being naked and he says okay we did about well we won't worry about it it's gonna be the last day of the shoot so I go down to New Orleans I'm there six weeks filming the movie so we've got this scene in the naked room and and so Tom day comes to me says have you given any thought I said well you know what this will be my last movie I ever do and I

think it would be really funny fun to be naked in the movie because nobody expects me to go naked in a movie. He says, now we obviously not going to show you know your your private parts but he says we're going to shoot this thing and we're going to shoot it low and go up over your butt and then you'll end up behind the fishbowl and we'll shoot and da da da da da. So he says okay go back and we're set up. I go back to my trailer to get my house, my robe and I look on my bed and there's three penis socks. One is about 18 inches long, one is about 12 inches

long and one is about 4 inches long. And I'm looking and I'm going, you have got to be kidding me. I got to pick one of these and put on my penis penis and I went holy cow now if I take the big one everybody in the world knows that that's just no way that that's possible I got horses that couldn't feel that thing out so I said if I take the little one they're gonna laugh at me because it's not very long and I know the wardrobe people are gonna gather around and go, so which one did he go with? Obviously I went with the middle one.

And I put that stupid thing on, I got up there to do the scenes, and I had a penis sock on, and I've never been more uncomfortable in my life. So when Matthew comes out around, I do my scenes wearing the penis penis sock and they go cut. Now it's time to turn the cameras around and do Matthew McConaughey.

And so they got the camera over my shoulder and Matthew comes in and he sees me naked. Well, he sees me naked and we do the lions and he tells Tom Day, hey, you know, it just doesn't work for me. Cause I had on box, I went and put boxers on then by then he goes, can he, you know, put the penis sock back on? And I went, I told the head director, I'm not putting that penis sock back on. You just tell Matthew that I'll make sure that he gets the shock he wants.

So when he came up and the one take I pulled my boxers down, grabbed my stuff and shook it at him and that's the take that we use. If you'll look at that movie, you'll see McConaughey doing everything he can not to crack up laughing. He gets a crack and smile on his face. That's the story. To me, that's classic for movies. Yes! That is the best three minutes of my life! The best three minutes of my life!

We will end the interview on that note. Good talking. Football with you Terry. Fox NFL Sunday. That was...stand up everybody! Terry! Terry! Terry! Terry! Terry! Everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody,

everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody,

everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, No, no, I didn't get I didn't get naked naked naked naked in that movie. It's one of the few times that I've done television movies or movie movies that I didn't get naked in the show I do for NBC better late than never. I've already been naked in three shows totally naked in a nude park in Stockholm and get this in the middle of the park There is about 10 acres for nudity You can sunbathe out there and then around the center of the park is all the families with picnic tables

Barbecue and and they all stay on the outside and the nude people stay on the inside what so I want I know so I went to a car or station wagon or something and sure enough, you know, I just peeled all my clothes off and walked out there and I had a hot dog in my hand they gave me for this scene and I walked up to Shatner and Winkler and Foreman and they went, Oh my God, you can see this. It's so funny. I felt really good though, because it's just something about being naked. I've got so many questions, Terry.

Hey, I get this, but being a people person that I am and with my hot dog there were two men sitting on a blanket. Oh no. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And so I went over to them and I said, do y'all mind if I joined? And they said, no, sit down. Wait a minute. You, you are, wait a minute. Hold on a second. Terry, wait, wait, wait, what's going on in your life? I don't know hey when you got a body like this you just got to show it all right Terry hold on Terry you showed up at a picnic where two people yeah You had only a hot dog on you. I had a hot dog. That's it. No socks. No shoes. No sock Okay, and you just walked right up to him and you said if I sit down if you can I join you? Can I join you and they said yes yes, but being also a giver, I said would y'all like a bite of my wiener?

Oh my God. Terry, I love you. You're still 12 years old, Terry. Terry, how is it possible that you're still 12 years old? I don't know, but I'm glad I am. All right. Well, I heard you were parasailing nude too. Oh, please say that's true.

Yeah, I took my shorts off. They were cutting into my crotch. So I took my shorts off and just pitched them out while I was flying in the air. Not a good moment. Not a good moment. Terry, why are you always naked in public? I told you, you got a body like this? I mentioned that see it. Okay. Well, that's all I have to say

All right, but hold on a second. Have you had any more awkward penis sock stories? Are you just full naked? You're not even doing any that I'm with a penis. I'm not doing any penis. No more penis socks I don't ever want to put a penis on again. You've graduated to porn like it feels like you know, you're always nude. No, I'm I'm you know What I live on a ranch and then we have two bathrooms in the house on our side I Still will get out of the chair and go outside and pee in the yard I mean why why do I do that? I don't know.

When I had my daughter, I'd walk outside and I'd pee in the backyard and I didn't realize she was walking with me. She's like two years old and I'm sitting there peeing and so she says, well look, I'll pee with daddy. And so she tilted her shoulders back and she let her rip. Let her rip? All right. So she is daddy's daughter daughter this is what i want to ask you thank you terry because to speak to your inner twelve year old i want to

know the three oddest places where terry bradshaw has urinated oh man oddest places i've urinated i got caught the other day on the side of a road. You got caught? Gotta go, gotta go, yeah. Well, they pulled a trick on me. I had to go so bad.

When you're 69 and got prostate issues, you just pee a lot. And they pulled the car up. All the jerks, my buddies, they pulled the car up in Hawaii and there I was Standing right there as the car came by I mean seriously I and then I I turned around and peed all over my pants Three oddest places you peed three oddest places. I've peed Let me think yeah, we got a we got all right. Here's one, here's one. Top of the house.

What? Top of the house. Sorry. I was going to pee over the edge, but I ended up peeing in the gutter, which is kind of cool. Okay. Top of the house. That's the one I knew for sure.

That's a good one. How about the sink? Ever in the sink? Ever in the sink of the house? Of course. Of course I peed in the sink. Do you even use a bathroom anymore? Hey, hey, get this. I get this. sink of the house. Of course. Of course I peed in the sink. Do you even use a bathroom anymore?

Hey, hey, get this. I get this. In college we had a sink and the bathroom was right outside my door and I'd get up my roommate, he'd be asleep and I'd just get up and pee in the sink. Wash it out good though. Terry, Terry, was the last time you peed the traditional way? In a toilet? In a place where humans were, a place where human beings were. You mean like go to the bathroom? I hate to to hear that noise that pee and noise when it hits the water Yeah, I don't like that. So I sit down. I have a bad back. Anyway, oh you're sitting really Terry Terry You are so revealing you just volunteer everything I said, well, it's two o'clock in the morning I'm sleepy. I don't want to stand up there and make all that noise and wake everybody up.

You understand though that usually if I say four times Super Bowl champion, that's a person who doesn't want to be associated with peeing sitting down. Well, I really don't care. Okay, very good. Maybe everybody, listen, listen, maybe everybody else is worried about their image. I think I only enhance mine. Very good. I do things that you and everybody else does, y'all just don't talk about it.

That's right. I love talking to this dude. Keegan-Michael Key has a cool energy about him. I was leaving my office one day at Sunset Gower Studios, and I went over to visit a friend of mine who was shooting on the TV show The Newsroom with Jeff Daniels. And I'm looking down the way, and I see the beautiful Olivia Munn. She sees me and I see her, and she beelines for me. And she comes up, she goes, hi, I'm Liv,

and I'm a big fan of your work. And I said, and I'm Keegan, I'm a big fan of your work and your face and everything else. And everything else that's standing right here, I'm a big fan of. And then there's this big kind of hulky, kind of hunky guy standing next to her. I'm not paying attention.

She goes, oh, I'd like you to meet my boyfriend, Aaron.. All of a sudden I couldn't care less who Olivia Munn was. I just like look at the guy and I go, I don't even say hello. I just go NFC North and then I fall down. Hello. Murray! That's the name. How you doing? I'm good. I don't know what I'm talking to but I'm good You're talking to Stu. You get some golf in today, Murr Golf. Yeah, you play golf today or no, I don't play golf. No, no got you don't play golf at all No, I stopped some years ago. Oh really? Yeah, I had issues with my I'd arthritic, you know problem in my hands or whatever it is. I'm gonna be 81 years old.

Yeah, that's tough. So what'd you do today? Anything exciting today? Yeah, I got my hair cut. Nice. My dog got his hair cut. Nice. I picked him up.

How about your day? Tell me about your day. My day's been great. Where are you? In Philadelphia, Murray? No. Where? Philadelphia. I'm in Charleston, South Carolina. Where are you? In Philadelphia, Murray? No. Where?

Philadelphia. I'm in Charleston, South Carolina. Oh, I love Charleston, South Carolina. It's one of my favorite cities, South Carolina. It's fantastic. I love Charleston. Well, I'm happy to hear that. Now, you said that Steve...

It's Stu, actually. Yeah, it's Stu. It's Stu, yeah. Stu? Yeah. Which Stu? Stu. I mean, my name is Stu Wiener.

All right. So, now, where do we go from there with this conversation? Well, I need some help, Murray. I really need some help here. So we have this big campaign going on. I work for ESPN, okay? And we have this big campaign going on and we're trying to get this guy down in Miami, the Miami Marlins.

Yeah, but whatever it is that you're calling me about, that's certainly not my specialty. So how about if I'm polite and I just tell you goodbye? Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. What is your specialty, Murray? My specialty is to not get hustled. No, no, Murray, I swear to you on everything that I have, okay? I'm a nice Jewish boy. I am not here to hustle you.

I'm just asking. I just need help with one thing. It's simple. If you don't want to do it, just hear me out. just need help with one thing it's simple and you know what do it just hear me out if you don't do it that we don't do it again i don't have a lot of time but i don't know if i just answer the point you're right you're right so and i'll be dot com major you like baseball i followed enough get to your point okay and i'll be dot com i just need you to go there and if you wouldn't mind vote for le Brinson of the Florida Marlins to make it to the

NL all-star team. That's all I need. It's free and that's all I have to do. I understand. I haven't... I'm not asking for money. I'm not selling anything. I haven't done that for the Phillies, so I'm not going to do it for the guy from the Marlins. Let me say goodbye, Stu. Thank you. Murray! you. Murray! Yeah, who's this? Murray. Who's this? Hey Murray, it's Stugatz with ESPN, how you doing? Who's this? This is Stugatz, I work with ESPN, how you doing? I don't even know you, who do you want? I want Murray Murray Murray you there This is Stu goth with ESPN Murray, where are you in an airport? What's going on?

All right Murray Murray Murray We're now in a full-blown war with the Baldwin family. What's the Baldwin brothers, it has escalated to an unreasonable place. I asked which is the fat one, and this apparently set off fireworks throughout the Baldwin family. Fireworks that, you know, you imagine the Baldwins, they settle things with their fists, even, you know, the brothers.

Daniel Baldwin tried to join our show yesterday. We declined rapidly. Which one did we decide Daniel Baldwin was? Four. The bad one. Four. And the fat one. What happened there? Don't do that! What? What did I do? Fourth one is enough of a... This is what got us into this mess. This is what got us into this mess to begin with. The Baldwin brothers are all mad at us evidently. I don't even know because we don't know the Baldwin brothers. We don't know who Daniel is and because we think that it has been said that we think all of them are the fat one.

So we learned throughout this entire thing through just casual content folks, this is a content factory down here. We learned that Daniel Baldwin does a radio show in Syracuse and ESPN Syracuse. Great show. It's a great show. It's a fantastic show. ESPN 97. Impeccably produced. Great show. And he does this sports talk show and he led the show yesterday with the drama. This is the Daniel Baldwin show. your Baldwin show. A woman on the ready. She's a little tall.

She's a little tall. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the big show. We're waiting for Josh to come back in the studio. We were on, this show was on from 3 to 4 in the afternoon here in Syracuse and downloaded World Wide, of course. And it turns out that because of doing the morning show we asked the great one Ed Levine if we could move this show from 10 to 11 to

accommodate Josh and my schedule and we did so. Which put us on against the Dan Lebatard show. Yesterday, is this yesterday? Yeah. Yesterday the Levitard show was talking, trash talking. I mean, it would be considered trash talking, no? No. That's not trash talking? No, I think that's just their show. Who's the fat one is not trash talking? No, see, I told you that's where it started.

But I'm blaming Stu Goss, but I'm pretty much I, the fat one, am the one who started it. You did, you did. And he got on you for your Alec Baldwin take saying that he's never carried a movie really. Wait a minute, that's his own brother's words. I was quoting him from a New Yorker article. Daniel disagrees with you, man. He disagrees with something his brother said?

I don't beli- Look man, this all started because Alec Baldwin is on like my bucket list of guests I've been wanting to talk to that dude for ten years. I find him fascinating. I find you hurt your chances Probably not gonna happen. I find him uncommonly honest, but his other brothers outside of the usual suspects There aren't a lot of there's not a lot of work there that people aren't making fun of. His producer, Daniel Baldwin's producer, seems to be on our side a little bit in sort of explaining this, because this is about family right now. You've crossed a brotherhood right now.

This is a really strong bond. You opened his eyes to something about his brother Billy that he had no idea. I think they're pretty complimentary of your brother going forward. Well, and forth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on They're saying that he's Billy was the one that always like looked like he was waking up So Billy's that's Billy's beautiful Baldwin Billy Billy was in a movie with judge with fair game Cindy Crawford fair game Was that here in Miami know exactly what you're talking about. Okay, that is the guy I'm talking about That is that that is the handsome one. That is the handsome Baldwin is it not? Yes, the one who could barely open his eyes. That's right. Look sedated all the time

This Billy Baldwin always looks sedated put it on the pole gamma Always looks I've never heard anyone say that I've never it's just 30 years of acting and I've never heard anyone say that. I've never, it's just 30 years of acting and I've never heard anyone mention that Billy always looks sedated. I went to the poll after they do polls on Twitter and it was 85% of the people listening to the show agreed with it. That Billy always looks sedated. Wow, maybe I'm just so out of the loop

that I don't realize how sedated Billy is. Wow, we've got a rebel in there infiltrate. Wait, the producer there, that's a young guy who actually knows our show. We've got to protect that rebel. Don't reveal that to anyone like I just did. But we have all sorts of developments, Dan. I guess we'd like to imagine that there's a group text amongst the Baldwin brothers. And I like to think they're texting about you

over the last couple of days quite frequently. In fact, Daniel's doing a show today, and Alec is joining his show to discuss this war. Oh no. Oh no. I'd like, I admire Alec Holcomb. I bought his biography. Right. Daniel? Daniel's really eager to tell us I bought his biography. All right. Daniel?

Daniel's really eager to tell us about his 30 years of acting experience that none of us remember, huh? I'm not sure if that was Billy's or his. Again, you're escalating this to a point. I think he was talking about Billy. Yeah, he's not talking about Steven. He's not happy with you. But there's even more of an exciting development, you guys. Whatever.

And I just got this email, like a minute ago. Talk to us. Let's go. Daniel's so eager to join the show and address you man to man that he is considering organizing a conference call of all the bald ones. Just to tell you how wrong you are. However, this opens up a whole can of worms because I've learned all the Baldwin sound identical.

Oh no. Oh right. The other can of worms it opens up Mike is that we said that none of the Baldwin's were welcome on our show unless it was Alec, correct? Well again, not we, he did. Not you, you did. I had noted that.

I only said no to Daniel. You said Daniel. I was a hard no on Daniel. But if Daniel comes with Alec attached, then we are. But how do you know if it's Alec or Daniel? It could be all Daniel. How? Why?

The conference calls could be. Hello, this is Alec. I'm also Alec. And I'm Steven. No, I'm Billy. I'm Steven. I'm Daniel. I'm Alec.

You're wrong. You said that? I did. Who's I? Alec, Daniel, you who said that I did who's I Alec Daniel William Billy Stephen Doug he's not that good of an actor Doug Baldwin

That's what they say about Doug not a fat one That's what they say about Doug Baldwin the receiver I've lost a lot of pounds who said said that? I did. Who's I? Steven. No. William. No. Doug. No. Daniel. It's Alec. Alec Baldwin. I did. Everyone else is fat. I'm not. Daniel. Fat. Steven. Fat. Doug. Black.

What is he on the skull for? Seahawk. 30 years of acting experience. What we're doing is very rude. It's so nice. I'm never going to get out like this one. What Dan has done. I can't believe it.

Because he's putting everybody in this awkward position where they have to worry about content And I'm crossing the line where I'm no longer a decent human being because I'm just representing you and your true feelings I mean when they're right, they're right. All right, who do I have to apologize to you guys are the Baldwin me Stephen? No, Alec no, Daniel. No, which one are you? I'm all of them the fat one No, Alec, no, Daniel. No, which one are you? I'm all of them. The fat one. The Dan LeBattard Show with Stu Gotts is on ESPN Radio and the ESPN app.

Clint Yates, Ryan Hollins filling in here on a fray. We are joined by Josh Duhamel, former star of All My Children, currently going to be starring in the next Transformers film. Josh, you're going to have to forgive me for this because I'm gonna ask you a real edgy question, but you are my guy, okay? Do not forget, you're my guy. You might be on my wall at home, okay? You're my guy.

I love it. You're my guy too, you're on my wall. This hurt my feelings as a real fan, and I know that it wasn't meant to be taken in this way, but I felt like in the Transformers before, there were some robots that said some real as an african-american male I felt said some taken as racist and edgy things or just the way that they spoke Was supposed to be I guess in a sense of an african-american or depict the hip-hop culture and I was like that is so not

What hip-hop is and I'm not saying that it was meant in that way, but it personally my feelings were hurt now I can't speak for everybody else, but I just felt like it was a bad a bad take I don't know if they came off as entertaining but as an African-American male Me myself. I was taken back by that, but I still love the series. Maybe can you break that down? I'm sure you've heard about it too or had some you know possibly some small backlash from it. Oh come on man I mean we're talking about robots how could we possibly make this racist? No no no I hear but what I'm saying is every robot every character depicts something or somebody you know or even the hit you know the way it was taken. I understand I do understand what you're saying and and yeah you know there's there's there's there's you know that's

a question for Michael I think that you know there are certain sort of inflections and certain voices and whatever that could have been taken as okay now you're generalizing yeah so I understand you know, but I don't think it was ever meant to be taken personally or anything like that, you know, but, you know, I'm sorry if you're offended. Hey Jeremy. Yes, Mike? Have you ever had a fireside conversation during football Sunday during the winter? Sure.

We don't have a lot of fireplaces down here, but I've had the premise of it. I wish I could, but it's South Florida. When it gets down to the 60s, we're like, we're bundled up, but certainly no fireplaces. Still too warm for that, but we do have our football Sundays, and one thing that always makes football Sundays good, and I know you've had plenty of experience in your life with this, Miller time. Oh yeah. Miller Lite makes the winter better, it makes football Sundays better, it makes even hanging out around you better. Thanks Mike, that was kind. I appreciate that.

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