The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Postgame Show: See You Next Year!

Episode Date: December 22, 2023

Jessica wraps up the year with the Top 5 Most Unbelievable Things to Happen in 2023. Then, Pablo Torre is here to share an excerpt from his show, Pablo Torre Finds Out, where Parakeet Cortes tells him "the meaning of Christmas" and Charlotte Wilder pops in for a visit. Plus, Roy wraps up the 2023 portion of the 2023-24 NHL season with "The Hockey Show with Roy" featuring his weekly guest David Dwork and a 10-minute misconduct with former NHL referee and current host of the "Snipes & Stripes" podcast, Tim Peel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. There is so much that I didn't get to today. I wanted to get to the Exodus in New York. More people have left New York, more than 100,000 according to the US Census Bureau than any place else. They are flocking to Texas. They are flocking to Miami. And when Eric Adams was asked about it, the mayor of New York, he said some families

have left for more outdoor space and animals. And he added in New York City, the animals are rats. And that he quickly added afterward, we're going to get rid of those. We have to laugh at FSU, and we have to get to Jessica's top five. FSU is now saying it's Board of Trustees is saying that they believe it would cost $572 million to leave the ACC right now,

and they kinda wanna leave the ACC right now. Yeah, they need to do something, and everybody was angry in the Board of Trustees called the meeting on probably the worst day on the calendar to have a Board of Trustees meeting the meeting on probably the worst day on the calendar to have a Board of Trustees meeting. No one wants to work today. Don't want my right to do this.

I mean, you're really inconveniencing everybody. If you're calling a meeting today or doing a show, but to have a Board of Trustees meeting and the working documents that you have are what you pulled from, quote, direct, quote, the internet. They actually don't have a copy of the actual grant of right steel.

So that is a hefty price. Everyone knows it's a hefty price. I guess the technicality that no one really ever expected is that ESPN has an out in 2027. The reason why that's never talked about is they would never take that out. That's why everyone talks about 2036 in this, in this manner. They're gonna challenge this legally.

And if you're another university inside the ACC, God bless you, great, you spend the money and try to establish a legal precedent. And if you find a way out of this, everybody benefits. They're the ones that want to spearhead this. No pun intended, Go for it. It's going to be tough. We know the type of deal that John Skipper made.

It's pretty ironclad. A lot of people at a lot of prestigious universities have spent a lot of money consulting firms and what not trying to find ways out of this. I don't know if there is, but I hope there is. I wish them luck. Everyone loves the year end list and Jessica has spent the entire year cultivating it down to five. So this is the top five weirdest things to happen this year? Most unbelievable things.

I'm all around the topic. I feel bad for the ACC, but this is tremendous content. Any OLI or we're going straight to the top five? No OLI, it's just five. Number five. The Titan submersible imploded. No. it was lies. Just five. Number five. The Titan submersible imploded. It was like a whole week. Like, are they alive? No, they imploded. It was crazy. Number four went to try to see the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean and they imploded.

That is number five. It was a name is on joystick. Good list. Number four. The end of the Miami Georgia Tech football game. At the end of the Miami Georgia Tech football game. Barely edges out the Titan submersible implosion. On B Lee's. Almost as tragic. Number three. Donald Trump got arrested. Much trot nevertheless.

Which time? That was unbelievable. Number two. And the kiss of your died. Wrongfully. Number two. I'm constantly. I'm constantly. I'm constantly. I'm constantly. I'm constantly. Wrongfully. Wrongfully. I didn't think that would ever happen, to be honest.

Number one, Dan. Dan Levitard said, Stofr Stoftop. BEEP. BEEP. That was this year? That can't be. BEEP. BEEP.

I forgot about that. I played that for my wife, you know that Dan, right? I was like, babe, you remember the time of the dance that's so first stup-tup? You're just like, what? I'm like, yeah, listen to it. Putting and stuffing became- That's how that happened. Sure.

I mean, ah! I mean, that happens to the best of us all. What other explanation do you have, Chris, as you dismiss my explanation? You're into a vibe, nah. I mean, that happens to the best of all time. What other explanation do you have, Chris, as you dismiss my explanation? You're into a vibe, man. BAM. Whoa, hey, hey, hey, hey, bear. Hey, where you goin'?

Yeah, it's just me. Your friendly neighborhood host, the public, the public, finds out. Here to tell you that over on the public, the public, finds out feed. It's not an ad, an ad by the way is just me beaming into the Dan Levitard show feed with a special transmission like Zordon from Power Rangers to tell you that yesterday on the show we had Dominique Fox worth and wide Sinek at the same time talking about white cornerbacks and black spider

man's and how to comment your friends today here. This is a taste of what's happening over there, just one segment and excerpt of a terrible mistake that I made, because I let my producers convince me to let Parakeet Cortez tell me the meaning of Christmas. You know, Parakeet, Minister of View Propaganda might be banned from dance show, also the main of my existence.

Anyway, that's what's gonna happen there. And then a special guest shows up. Mm. Uh, Charlotte. Mm. Charlotte Wather shows up afterwards. But that's only exclusively on the public to find out feed like so much other stuff is

like what we're gonna do next week during Christmas week with some of our favorite episodes that I'm pretty sure you missed. Like the time Mori Povitch made me happier than any person has made me in 2023, I think. But for now, Merry Christmas. So I usually know what's happening on my own show. This is a holiday. Look at this. It's clear what's happening. What do you mean don't know what's happening?

So if you are, in fact, not yet watching on YouTube or the drafting's network, you should know what you should be watching. That this studio looks like it has never looked before. It is full of holiday cheer. That's incredible. By that I mean, there's snow behind you. There's snow behind me where both I did consent to dressing festively. I did as well, but only under the premise that I could wear a heat culture hoodie.

I want to point out my favorite decoration, which I'm just really noticing and full right now, is that on my microphone, there is an elf of ambiguous ethnic origin. I think this is supposed to be me. The calves are not nearly big enough. Elf of ambiguous ethnic origin. I think this is supposed to be me. The calves are not nearly big enough. Have no big enough. Way more vitamin D this elf has. But I've been told Cortez, the reason that we're doing this

is because apparently Christmas is coming up and I have been nose to the podcast grindstone to the extent that people around this office are concerned that I don't understand the meaning of Christmas. You don't. And that you apparently... Now that's what I'm here for.

Do. Christmas is different to every person though, that's what you need to understand. So I'm gonna give you my version of Christmas. What I'm about to find out today is Ryan Cortez is guide to Christmas. That's right. What is your Christmas like?

My Christmas is entirely about reality television. All I care about. I don't want to see your stupid gingerbread houses and I was bulls**t Santa Claus and elves and I don't get on care. I'll have the Miami Heat big screen, okay? And then four other screens, potentially? Reality TV.

That's what's going on. It's like, right? It's simultaneously. Yeah, potentially, potentially. Just like minority report. Yeah, like Game footage. Just studying the tape, nose to the grindstone just like you.

Which by the way, what is your background with reality TV? Have you seen catfish? Like, what have you seen? I know virtually nothing about, I think the reality television that you adore. So my wife Liz will watch The Real Housewives. That's her guilty pleasure.

When she does that, what city does she watch? What are the choices? Well, you don't even know. What a terrible. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Potomac, Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Dubai. I can't tell if these are fake. I'm not a single one of those is fake.

What are you talking about? I didn't realize that there was a global operation of housewives. Well look, the thing is we need to get to like, what I'm gonna change for you because what you're watching on TV is stupid. Okay. It's not good.

And I'm gonna give you stuff to watch that is better. So you're gonna give me the top five reality TV shows that you must watch over Christmas break instead of indulging in stupid Christmas. So you're five. No, the thing is, I do not like rules. You don't say. I'm not giving you a tell.

I'll give you how many I want. So we're gonna start with an O-L-I. The outside looking end. These are shows that didn't make my cut of top five reality shows, but they're still good shows that you should check out. So on the outside looking in, are these reality programs? That's right, I'll give them to you quickly.

These better be holiday spirited. Number one, summer house and winter house, okay? Same type of show, ones in the summer ones in the winter. They pack a bunch of people into a house for like two weeks. They get drunk, they hook up with each other, they fight, bunch of people into a house for like two weeks, they get drunk, they hook up with each other, they fight, and they air it across like 10 episodes. It's incredible.

I'm a UK9. Oh! Just trying to hang out with my wing out. Oh my God! Hey, hey, hey, hey. What is the difference between summer house and winter house? I just told you, one summer, one's winter. That's it.

One time they go in the pool, one time they go in hot tub, and it's cold outside. So what do you need with your friends? Is that sometimes it's a hot tub. And sometimes it's a pool. They're both excellent. I recommend summer house and winter house. Number two, love is blind.

People may have heard of love is blind. That didn't make your top five. I hear you talk about love is blind. That's right. I've never seen all of the time, which speaks to how much this OLI is still five. I hear you talk about Love Is Blind or Show I've Never Seen All Of The Time, which speaks to how much this OLI is still important. I love Is Blind's a very interesting show. It's been on Netflix, the premise there.

Love Is Blind, you can't see the person that you're talking to, and it's, you know, you're supposed to see, do you really love the person? If you take away physical attraction, that's the experiment. I love buying clothes for girls. Yeah, what's your size? Would you like to work it out? Yeah, not a huge fan. I love buying clothes for girls. What's your size? What the fuck? Would you like to work it out? Yeah, not a huge fan.

Really? Yep. I get along best with individuals that do work out. How do you? 33. I prefer dating younger. How do you? I'm 32.

There's a very bizarre sincerity to how much you are like into whether these people like have true feelings for each other. Oh, I don't give a f*** if they like each other. I'm interested in what are you in for watching everything go haywire, which it always does. You're not here for the love. No, that's why I don't watch like Golden Bachelor. That's too soft for me. I want chaos. That's what I'm looking for. I want fights. I. I want chaos. That's what I'm looking for.

I want fights. I want sadness and drama. That's what I'm looking for because I'm sicko. I agree with that part. Okay. Selling Sunset is number three on the O.L.I. O.L.I.s are there. As many as I feel like.

Selling Sunset is about these two short kings. Shout out to the short kings. And they're like dating these like giant women and they're like running all the VLA real estate. And the women are incredible. They're all the, they are the realtors and they're selling dating these like giant women and they're like running all the Vela real estate and the women are incredible. They're all, they are the realtors and they're selling all the houses. So just to be clear, it's incredible.

Your lead story for selling Sunset is that the short king. Is that short guy's date tall women? Short kings, real short kings for life. So, Michelle, good luck at the Oppenheim group. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you. I. Thank you.

I don't want to say it, but you're going to need it. Okay, dang it, girl. The show is excellent. You get to see, like, these are the incredible looking sauces getting dumber. No, dude. You get to see it. We have made the $70 million.

$70 million, House is absolutely incredible. All right, last on the O.L.I. list. Indian matchmaking. Indian matchmaking. That's right. Indian matchmaking goes hard. And they'll go'll go to like this oracle this woman and What she does is she reads faces that's what she does she'll like look at your face and be like now He's a liar. He's a match for you. Yadda yadda. She just looks at faces

She never gets anything right at the end of the season. They're like she went over for season two. She went over five Matchmaking has become a tough job, but I'm tired She went over five. I'm not making his become a tough job, but I'm tired of that. So far, I am really in your face and you love it. And I am prophesizing that you are more on. I have spent a lot of time watching more on this. I am not a moron.

Number five on my list is love after lockup. Love after lockup, which they also have a spin off called life after lockup. Love after lockup. Which they also have a spin off called life after lockup. Now, the premise there is they're dating people in prison. The show is person X is in jail and they're like talking to like a pin-pow outside of jail and eventually they leave jail and go date this person. And you know, they're not the same person

that they think they might want to steal money from this person or whatever, the show is incredible. You don't even look at what I do here in the house with the kids and everything else as even anything. What you're doing with your supposed to do, no? What I'm supposed to do. Then I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. No, no.

So when I take my $1,000 out of an account, you should just be like, well, damn, he's doing what I, what he's supposed to do. That's what I'm saying. You're in a world population one by yourself. Well, sometimes I go back to jail, sometimes I go on the run, the show is like,

our real world out. It's so good. So just to be clear, again, I'm gonna be waking up on Christmas morning and violet, my three year old, is gonna be like, Dad at Christmas, and I'm gonna say, come see next to me on the couch,

we're watching Love After Lockup. Number four, the Real Housewives Entire Series. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz series meaning all of the city watch it all, but I would start with Salt Lake City and Potomac. That's where I would start. Okay. Real House of Salt Lake City is exceptional because like one of the cast members, spoiler alert, goes to jail for defrauding the elderly. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star Jen Shaw has been sentenced to six and a half years behind bars.

The reality TV star pleaded guilty last year in connection to a telemarketing scheme that allegedly scanned elderly people out of thousands of dollars. Sometimes people need to get the fraud. Okay. Also, there is a character that has pronounced a cheater just because of the shape of his head, square shape you could tell. You're not a cheater, I could tell, shape you head. I'm in droid by this theory.

So square heads. Yeah, you know those people where it's just square square head, like they look kinda like, you know, that ****. I mean, just the shape of his head, you just, it was up to no good. You know some men that just have this shape that you just can tell. Ball heads, cheats a lot.

Oh wait, you have the fruit of ball head is like wait. You think, you know your cheats. Real housewives is great, Andy Cohn's all head is I way. You think, you know your cheat. Real housewives is great. Andy Cohen's the man. I do. Welcome to the wreck. Okay. Number three, below deck, the entire franchise.

BELOWDECK is about what? A ship. A giant picture of a giant ship. Okay. Below deck. What was that voice? Don't worry about it. Below the nautical seafarer voice that you just tried. Captain, docked the ship. What was voice? Don't worry about it. Below the nautical, seafarer voice that you just tried.

Captain, dock the ship. What was that? Don't worry about it. The rustle crow and massacred commander. There's below deck. There's below deck Mediterranean. There's below deck sailing yacht. There's below deck adventure.

Below deck sailing yacht? Sailing yacht. Oh sailing yacht. That's the best one. Because, well, first of all, watching the boat as it is sailing is actually incredible because it's like, it's like dangerous. I'm not tracking.

Anyway, I was listening to Andy Cohen's radio show the other day. He had on SackBraph. Sack was talking about how his favorite show TV time is below deck. You help make this show. And you're listening to Andy Cohen's podcast about radio Andy.

Also watch. Yeah, it's phenomenal. So because you like the boat being shaky, first of all, there's a whole crew of people. There's an interior, there's an exterior. People interior. Oh, look at upstairs, down. Correct.

So you see at work a dynamic that goes on people. Is it better to be exterior or interior? Depends what kind of stuff you like to do. Would you rather clean beds and clean dishes and serve tables, or would you rather throw lines and do physical work and clean the boat? That's the difference, okay? That's your interior extra. I don't like swapping a deck.

You see people really working. You see tips from the guests that they have. You see the guests getting drunk and falling down. The show is phenomenal. Number two, 90 day fiance. So we worked on like a half dozen shows together, right? Show is phenomenal. Number two, 90 day fiance. BELL RINGS So we worked on like a half dozen shows together, right? Hi, noon. Highly questionable.

Highly questionable, levitar show. Debatable, this show. Anyway, the point is I've been in many sort of like workplaces with you and 90 day fiance. Comes up a lot. If I were to generate a word cloud of the things that you and I have talked about against my will,

wow. Obviously Miami Heat, one million point font, 99,000 point font is this shit. 90 day fiancee. Yeah, the premise of it. Like a lot of these shows, the premise is in the title.

If you're a smart person, you get it, okay? What it is, somebody from another country and you from America want to marry. How do you make that happen? With a loophole in the legal system, where you get married in 90 days or less, and we film it and put it on television. I'm gonna guess that things go off the rails. There's a Korean dude who came to America and he started calling his girlfriend Piggy, and he said that all Americans are fat. You're lazy so you always get the fast food for lunch. No wonder you're Piggy. Are you serious?

Look at this. I'm just saying the truth. You always have fast food for lunch. I'm just saying the truth. You always have fast food or full lunch. And the family from Iowa had to sit them down and feel like, you can't say piggy. There's a woman who's from the Philippines, Rose. She's a nice woman.

She decides to date a man named Ed, who also goes by big Ed. Big Ed washes his hair. Don't tell me this is the mayonnaise. Yeah, the mayo and the hair guy. This is the rare short king you do not. No, he's not a short king. He's just short.

Now, the mayo is something that he thinks makes his hair better, more luscious. He does have good hair. Give him that. All right, we're gonna put this on YouTube of the drafting's network. I don't know how to say this. He's built like a Russian nesting doll.

Ha-ha-ha-ha. In a few days, I'm getting ready to get on a plane and go meet Rose, the love of my life, for the very first time. Since I met Rose, I want to look young for her. So I have been dying my hair hair and it irritates my scalp. So I found out that mayonnaise makes it smoother and less dry. Big Ed is as if a cartoon character got popped on the head and had his head pushed down into his body, never got his head out of his body again.

He has zero neck. There's also another couple, Paul and Karini, okay, Karini's from Brazil. Paul put a condom on because he did not want fish to swim up his peepie in Brazil. So he was swimming. He was, yes, he was gonna jump in this river and he was afraid of fish swimming up his peepie.

So he put on a condom. He stopped saying, and peepie, and that clip. The son of a urologist. That clip, he stopped saying, has three million views. What clip? The clip of him putting on a condom to go jump in the river. This is a clip. It's a clip.

We can not do not show this. Do not call for this clip. Ha ha ha. So,'m gonna put this on first. He's that fish. Just to the waiter. And I had this little penis, I guess like a sheath, text in bag. Now put a condom on, have that to hold that on.

Definitely no one. Nothing's winning at my penis. I cannot believe we just showed that clip. The clip was great. This is a holiday episode. Allegedly. Number one, Vander Pump Rules. Yeah!

Let's go. I've never heard Vander Pump Rules pronounced like a call to arms. Shout out to DJ James Kennedy. Shout out to Ariana. This is great show. What a great show. What a great show.

It's in season 11, okay, season 11 kicks off January 30th. You have time to catch up. So if you're in January 30th, season 11, is beginning of season 11. And if you were to summarize the previous 10 seasons, the best show I've ever seen, but has heard certainly of Lisa Vanderpom, who again seems like an auto-generated name.

You would say that I have missed what? The premise is it's a bunch of young people that work at a restaurant. Immediately you find out in season two and three and four and so forth. It's not what the show's about. The show's just about these people fighting and having sex with each other and cheating on each other and Punching each other and getting nose jobs. There's a giant cheating scandal in this show. I've made it. I've almost made it, I should say. I've always made it to 2024 without knowing

what the scam, scam devol? Scandival. Scandival. Of course, scandival. Yes. You get it, Tom Sandoval, scandal. I don't actually get any of it. What should I know?

About scandival? Yeah. It's the most famous cheating scandal of all time, okay? Of all time, bro. Houston Astros, Blacksocks. Doesn't hold a candle to this. Tom Sandival, dead to me. And he's dead to America, okay? So Tom Sandival cheated on his longtime girlfriend.

They were not married, but despicable acts because he did it with a friend, did it for months long while he was on camera. The crazy thing is that you get to see it play out in season 10. Like it's all you get to see it all happen in real time. He became really good friends. Like I was seeking something that I wasn't getting here and that's selfish. That's really selfish. Selfish is the nicest word you could use. It's horrible. It's really selfish. Selfish is the nicest word you could use. It's horrible. Name Rick Helm became like really good friends.

I don't give a f*** about s***. You're gala! Your friendship is f***ing bulls***. No, it's not. Yes it is. No, it's f***ing not. It's bulls*** is disgusting. You know everything.

It's disgusting. Hey, everybody. You are disgusting. It's no-it's everything. Your friendship was a kill. Anybody. You cannot tell. Well guess what? It're friendship with the hell. You can't discuss it. You cannot tell. Well, guess what?

It's real because she treats me with respect. Something I haven't gotten from you in a long time. How much time would you say you spent watching? As soon as we're done here, I'm gonna go watch some more reality TV. I got Potomac and Real House of Miami on the mic. You're telling me that the true meaning of Christmas is that a dude without a neck who puts mayonnaise in his hair who got into a legal, quote unquote,

relationship with a woman from the Philippines. Of course, it's legal 90 days. The star in the north that I should be following towards the manger of Christmas cheer. Instead, Violet Earmost, you wanna follow some fake old guy with a beard and pull out some stupid tree and drive it to the fuck rock-a-fellow center and pray to and shit like,

that's more important to you than real housewives and love after lock up. Come on man, prison love, come on. Pfft. What the f*** was that? That was not a knock? The sound that I am hearing right now is the producer's telling us to stop talking about this?

Well, it's also the sound of someone knocking on the door. Well, someone's trying to barge in here and take over this. And I cannot imagine how we could possibly improve on what it is that I've been finding out so far. Let's find out who it is. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Hello, everybody. Welcome to the hockey show.

My name is Arroy. Bellamy, that is David Druck over here. This guy right here, right here, to my left. He works for the hockey news. And now I turn to my left to this camera. How you doing? Well, the Florida Panthers coming off of a five game road trip. They went out west. They started in Columbus and then they won that game by the way. And that's the whole Kaffafo between Kurancin and

cousins. Obviously we talked about that one last week. And then they went to Seattle. They lost out one with the Vancouver, they lost that one. They did. Went to Edmonton, they won and lost in Calgary now, they are back home. We are recording this on Thursday and they are playing the St. Louis Blues on Thursday, so we're not going to get to that game. But let's focus on this road trip. They won two out of five, they won two and three, no overtime games, two, three, no. They got four to out of five. They want two and three. No overtime games. Two,

three, no. They got four points out of 10. And Palmery said that this was going to be the most important road trip of the season. He wasn't lying. They came out dominant. A big momentum shift. Not even a big momentum shift. So major momentum for the Panthers could came out of this road trip. Yeah. Unfortunately, it looks like they're just keeping pace now. A bit of a mids bag on the trip too, because you have that great win in Columbus where the kerfuffle, great word drop by the way. Thank you.

Spotted tears by the way. Well, then they went to Seattle where they played a pretty solid game. They didn't go their way. Seattle got some lucky bounces. They got out, Seattle got outshot like 2-1 by Florida and Florida ended up losing. They had Joey Decorate great goal-tending effort for Seattle.

Then they went to Vancouver on the Wando Knight and got kind of curbsthomped a little bit by the tonight. They looked horrible, one of the worst games of the season. They bounce back as you'd expect them to with a solid night in Edmonton. I'm gonna look at my camera too. And which that was a really good game because the Oilers had been playing well of late.

They're trying to turn their season around so you kind of had that going for you. And then they wrapped it up in Calgary. A very mixed bad game again in Calgary because there were times where Ford didn't look great. There were times where Ford absolutely outskated Calgary. And so now they're coming home where they've been a good home team. They've got the games ripped for the holiday break. They got the Blues on Thursday night as we record this.

And then they got the rematch with the Vegas Oldenites on Saturday, which should be fun. Well, it seems that just like last year, the Panthers have done something that they haven't done something. And that's lose three games in a row. It's been back-to-back losses, yes, but they have found a way to get back and win the next game, huh? How do you think that's going about? I think it's great.

I think after last season, when they didn't win or lose any consecutive games, it was just very up and down, up and down, up and down the entire year. Now, this year, you've got a much more consistent team. They'll drop two games in a row as we've seen, but the way that they snap back into form and admitted is something I think we can expect there on. I think that's the kind of team where you're going to see more winning streets

than losing streets just based on how deep and consistent they've been. There are going through injuries right now. Anton Lundell is not in the lineup. He won't be playing against St. Louis. How's the lineup looking? I mean, this is why the Panthers have this deep forward group that you can afford to lose a guy like Anton Lundell

or Jonah Gattavitch as there's been like a flu bug that's going through the Panthers locker room. But fortunately, they've got, you can, whether it's calling up guys like Will Lockwood, who's up from the HL right now, or filling in with Kevin Stenland, Stephen Lorenz, these great depth players that Ford added in the off season. So this is where they flex those depth muscles, but this is the expectation of a hockey season.

You're going to go through injuries and illnesses. All right. That's the Panthers update there. Now let's go across the league. The Ottawa Senators have fired the head coach. They did that last week. Actually, DJ Smith is out of a job. They brought back an old friend though.

Former Panthers coach as well, Jack Montana and they also is a hometown move made then you offer, offerton and assistant coach. Where are you thinking to move? Also that jab capuano and other former NHL coach with playoff experiences and assistant on that roster. But yeah, you say they brought in an old coach, Jack Mark 10, 71 years old. He's no spring chicken anymore. No, you know, this is a, I guess it's no spring chicken anymore. You know, this was a, I guess, I guess some of chicken eater. This was surprising just because the Ottawa players loved DJ Smith, you know, to, I almost said, Matthew Kachak, Brady Kachak, Tim Stutz, so I have gone to bat for him, saying that they were surprised that they loved him. But look, Ottawa's two years in a row now that they've struggled where they've supposed

to been a playoff team. So it's time to shit or get off the pot, right? Yeah. And so disappointing. Like I really expected Ottawa to be on an upswing this season. And that is the complete opposite of what what has happened. This just the complete opposite is really shocking to me. It's still waiting for this Atlantic division resurgence of teams like Ottawa and Buffalo and Detroit, who are going to talk about in a second. They were all expected to make this big step forward. And still once again, we're looking at a very top heavy Atlantic division.

Speaking of Detroit, Patrick Kane, since he's entered the right wing's lineup, the team is one six in one. What is going on in the trade? I think Patrick Kane wasn't a savior. Like when we looked at Patrick Kane as somebody that the Panthers, for example, could add, this was a complimentary guy. We know what he's done in the past, but he's not the player he once was. And we saw that at towards the end of his tenure in Chicago and you can blame the hip injury

all you want, but this is a guy who's in his late 30s now. He's had his career success and expecting him to show up into Troy and just be this amazing savior like this player that he was in Chicago 10 years ago. He's just unreasonable. Detroit's struggling to put the button in there. They're struggling to keep the plug out of the net. And you know, for Patrick Kane's sake, what is he have? Six points, two goals on twenty six shots

minus five and eight games that's you know middle six fine whatever but it's not the guy who's in a savior season and savior team and i think was the expectation with can it might still turn around but i'm not expecting it to uh... he scored two goals two goals so he's almost caught up with Alexander over five this season. What's

going on with Alex? I don't know what's going on with Alex. Age catching up with Alex, maybe because it's been like, how has he been able to be this 40 goal score year in and year out? And now all of a sudden, you know, what is he? 38 years old? You turned 38 a couple months ago. Oh, that gray hair. But he had gray hair when he was winning the Stanley Cup and, you know, drinking Bud Light out of the fountains with the Stanley Cup or whatever he was doing. But yeah, it's just, you know, we were talking about Ovetchen like he was going to catch Wayne Gretzky's goal-storing record of 894. He's up to 827, but he's also up to 38 years old and he's barely scoring with five goals

through 29 games. That's so unovie-like. Yeah, the pace on that, on eventually, I don't think I can actually say eventually no the pace on him catching when Greske's getting a lot more difficult now. Yeah well it depends is he's going to keep storing five goals and 30 games because if so he's going to have to play until he's your mayor Yager's age. Speaking of which he just played his first game you know mayor Yager. He's again again his first game of the season again this is like his 50 I mean it's like his 30th pro hockey season

Whatever it is the guys 51 years old. We love him here in South Florida I think anywhere that he touched in his career whether it's Pittsburgh or Washington or New York or anywhere that He played Philadelphia Boston. Where is he playing now? He's playing for Kladno the team in the Czech-Echtelita that he owns his hometown team He had an assist. He played in there. I think it was their season. Oh, Prius yesterday He had an assist that left handed shots still out there. He had an assist. He played in there. I think it was their season, Opria yesterday. He had an assist. That left handed shot still out there. He played almost 14 minutes. I mean, this guy's still doing it. They need to let him into the Hall of Fame while he's still playing. They need to break precedent. I mean, the guys in his 50s already, like just do it. All right. This week I was in the turkey, the turkey cookoff between myself and Greg Cody.

Where about the toss to turkey? And that's what I was, I was very jealous that I wasn't here for that. I love food, I love your cooking, and I was with you that you were disrespected, that your cooking was not given its do right. So it was good to see that the voting went your way, but I was not happy that I wasn't here for it.

Well luckily, we haven't tossed to turkey yet because we have a sample here for you and we're gonna to close out this first segment. We're going to close out this first segment. With you trying out this Turkey now, what do you think here? I always smell it. I think it smells really flavorful. That was what we were saying before. I was like, that's the flavor that I'm looking for. I'm looking for some good seasoned turkey. So I got it right here. I'll show it to the camera. This is all that was left. Two days later, two days after the Turkov, I was lucky to get out. They really really picked at this Turkey and I was just taking a true now. Hmm, that's good flavor. Yeah.

That's what I'm talking about. I look two days later and it's still got some juice to it. The unfortunate thing is it has to go. We can't keep a turkey for more than a week. No, but I feel bad for my Aunt Mitzi now, because now her turkey is gonna be compared to this. Oh yeah. And this has got some flavor. Roy, I'm not surprised, but I'm grateful to be tasting it. But yeah, this is not surprising at all.

This is Roy Bellamy Cooking 101, but yeah, this is delicious. I'll give you the recipes once we get out of here. This is a great way to wrap up the first year of our show. That's right, Dave. Coming up next, we got the Tim and Miss Kondah with former NHL referee Tim Peele. And he also has a podcast right now with Jeremy Ronik, the Snipes and Stripes podcast.

Let's come up next. BAM! All right, sign for the Tim and Miss Conduct and we have a guy who has doled out plenty of misconducts over his long career. We have formal official Tim Peele. Tim Peele is a co-host of the Snipes and Stripes podcast with Jeremy Ronik and that is an interesting.

I would say unlikely duro to get the get-a-installed a podcast. How did you guys get the getter? Yeah, thanks for having me on, Roy and David. JR, as you know, he's been a very colorful personality throughout his career. And he's, he says him personality throughout his career and he's he says him in one to shy away from controversy such as myself I've certainly been embroiled in a bunch of it over my career and I always had a tremendous

amount of respect for JR when he played he's one of the best US foreign hockey players is he's in the US hockey hall of fame. I think he has the numbers to be in the big hockey hall of fame out of Toronto. But yeah, we became friends. We came more friends after I retired and played some golf together and I know it's just a great guy and we're having a lot of fun. I want to get into the officiated aspect of the game right now. And there was an article that just came out today from the athletic, Kevin Kurtz says that there's been a decrease in body checking.

A lot of players seem to either be scared of being in hit and they are unable to defend themselves or it could be the officiating. I have a chart right here. You can put it on the screen for his boys. There's a chart that shows over the last 15 years that there has been a sharp increase in body check in between 2007 and 2015. But since 2015, there has been a sharp decline in body check in. Tim, what you think is attributing to that? Yeah, Roy, that's a great point that you brought up. And I've got a couple different theories on it.

And, I've actually talked about it a lot on the show. And, you know, a good friend of mine, Kelly Chase, he was an enforcer in the NHL for the Blues and a couple other teams. And I was texting with him the other day because I was at the Blues Black Hawk scheme in Chicago. I said, I think there's been four body checks thrown tonight. This is a rivalry. Chicago St. Louis, this is a rivalry. We used to have Bench Claire and Brawl.

I'm not saying we need to go back to that. We've evolved as a society. But the point is, in this game, we had four checks, and I think they're all thrown by the same guy, Braden Shendekat, and the blue suit, people each by example. Our game, I love our game. I love our game. I love the speed of the game. We have so many young stars in the game, but our game is starting to turn into a skills competition, like you would see in an all-starting. And that article and that graphic that you show me is bang on. There is not a lot of physical, it's not the officiating. We would love, you know, even, you know, I've only been retired for two

years and there were games. I'm like, my son could referee this game because there's nothing going on here tonight. There's no intensity. And I get it. It's a tough sport to do that to maintain that over an 82 game schedule. It's so difficult for these guys. It's hard on their bodies. But we've got away from the physicality and we can't take that out of the game because that physicality creates emotion and emotion is good for our game. Now Tim, you've kind of had it, you have an interesting perspective being an official of the league and how it's been perceived over the years.

Is there an era from an officiating standpoint that you think like this was the best time of the league? This is when it was officiated the best, this is when it was called the best, the game flowed the best. I don't know if I'm putting you on the spot, but is there a time that you thought that maybe was the best for officiating?

Yeah, no, for sure. I asked Marty Bredur this the other day, Marty's a Hall of Fame goal tender and vice president with the New Jersey Devils and he's got so many young superstars on his team. And I said, I think the way what's happening now is, for example, my son, Bronson's 11, lives here in St. Louis, we live in St. Louis.

He's on the ice two or three times a week in the morning at 6 a.m., taking private lessons on top of his practices. And unfortunately, you need to do that to keep up to the Joneses. And if you don't, you know, you fall back and you're not able to make these strictly teams and so on. And so there's been so much emphasis put on skills that we've got away, like Roy was asking me about the physicality. And I think the best era of that, where you combine

the skill and the physicality was in the late 90s early 2000s with the Jeremy Ronics, the Keith Kochs, those guys, like the Eric Lindross, you know, in Philadelphia, we had the Legion of Doom, Eric Lindross, John LeClair, and Michael Remberg. These guys were all six four, but they were also skilled and they could, they could check you up to, you know, the third row of the seats. And that was a great era of when like I said earlier, combining physicality with the skill of the game. We've got away from that and I don't know how we get it back.

Clearly does a difference in officiating between the regular season and the playoffs what we say to a person that says that officiating especially in the playoffs is all about managing the game flow well it's uh... that's a bit of uh... i know where you're coming from rory but it's a bit of a misnomer on the on the uh... panellists though the amount of penalties being called. I sent this last spring on a show and I had the stats and I said, you know, who asked

me it was Paul Bissonette. Of course it was. Yeah, of course it was. And I said to him, I said, actually, it is your wrong. I said, here's the stats. First round of the playoffs, there's actually more penalties called in the first round than there is in the regular season. What happens is the first round is, to me,

is the best hockey to watch because you've got 16 teams, the bottom 6, 8 teams that made it in the playoffs, they still think that they have a chance. You have guys in the first round of the playoffs that didn't throw a body check all year that are now checking in the first round of the playoffs. Good point. What happens is we go from 16 teams to 18 teams,

a little less penalties are called in the second round because we don't have that, you know, that teams have finished 14, 15, 16, that say, you know what, the only way that we're gonna be able to beat, the year for example, Columbus beat the Tampa Bay Lightning, huge ups up, beat him for straight, Puerto Rela was the coach,

and they beat them by pure physicality. And so what happens in the second round and in the third round, you have less penalties called because it's now the game, it's hard to explain, but it's now it's kind of opened up more, open up more and guys know we can't take penalties. We, you know, for example, the islanders were playing Tampa a couple of years ago.

I guarantee you, a berry trot's went in the dressing room for the New York founders and said, we cannot take a penalty tonight because the Tampa Bay's pot power play will just distress. And that what happens when you get to the Stanley Cup finals, the referees are instructed to call the same standard, but you have less penalties again because guys know they cannot take a penalty because it may cost them a game and it may cost them that series. Tim, the other day I was listening back to one of your shows when you were talking about

a couple of recent suspensions with David Pran being suspended six games for the cross-check in our team zoo with the centers and then Eric and Branson's suspension that we're a little bit familiar with from what happened with him in the cousins last week. Just wanted to kind of ask you to follow up on that just because it seems like the consensus would be that you want them, you want the lead to come down and these kind of things, but at the same time, that might not be, it's very case by case, right?

Yeah, yeah, I know it is David, and we'll touch on the Paran one first. David is, I know him very well. He's a great, he's a great player. I'm not young anymore, but I reckon when he broke into the league and he's played 1100 games in the national hockey league and he's never been suspended once. So he's not that type of player that takes liberties with his opponents. He sees his captain Dylan Larkin Lane, I think he was unconscious on the ice.

And yes, was that a mistake? Yes, it was, but you know, you have to, I think we, there's emotion in the game, the emotion obviously took over for him. The emotion obviously took over for him and I felt like six games So we hit our two Zubbs. Do you be defenseman for Ottawa? Zub came open played the next shift, okay? He was not hurt Yeah, it probably started at the time when he came open played the next shift so he wasn't that that hurt and For him to get six games. I thought was too much. I could have lived with three I think three everybody could have lived with but I I thought was too much. I could have lived with three, I think

three, everybody could have lived with. But I thought six was too much and with Gibranson, you know, and it may not be popular with you because Cousins plays for Florida. But you know, he took liberty with Gibranson from behind. I am shocked that the that the cousins didn't get suspended for that hit. And what was more shocking was he called the referees on the ice called the five minute major for checking from behind. And I really, I was watching the Inland Life, that's a great call Cabrants and Tert and so now with the NHL, whenever you call a major penalty or a match penalty, if I'm in a penalty, it's now reviewed with the situation room in Toronto. So the referees got on the headset, talked to the situation room, they decided that it was a two-minute minor.

And so what happens later on, your Branson wants to get his piece of flesh, and he goes at cousins, and I don't have a problem at all with what he did. But if they had a stuck with the five in a game, cousins would have been out of the game. Cabrits and doesn't have an opportunity to get him in that game. Maybe he gets him right around the season. Maybe it's not forgotten, but he just, he doesn't do anything later on in the year.

But what happens is he doesn't get kicked out of the game. So he says, I'm going gonna take matters in my own hands and he gets a one game suspension for what he did. Have you noticed an uptick on boarding penalties? Yeah, you know what? You're absolutely right, Roy. And we, you know, there was one the other night of Vander Cain hit, I think it was Doha

and Doha from Minnesota. And everybody, the Minnesota fans were up and, you know, they were all up in arms that there wasn't a penalty on this play. But the problem is, I didn't think it was a penalty. And the problem is these defensemen, and it's at all levels of hockey now. It's not just in the NHL, it's at all levels. They don't protect themselves when they're going back to play the puck. And every defenseman, if you, you know, back

in the day, the at your brothers and pronger and Alan McGinnis, they're going back to the puck. They're looking over their shoulder and they've got their stick up in case, you know, they get hit from behind so that they can brace themselves against the glass. So there has been an uptick, but I don't see it being an epidemic and a problem. And, but the players have to also be able to protect themselves and learn how to take it. Tim, before we let you know, I did Roy kind of mention this earlier, I gotta ask you just from when you're

refereeing days, I was gonna say you're playing days, from your repping days. You mentioned Marty Brodor earlier, obviously, excuse me, a lot of great goal tenders across your path. But do you have any cool interaction stories with the goalies? I know from when I play, I do play goal, that I always kinda have fun with the refs,

I'm pretty loose on the ice. But I was just curious, is there anything that pops out your head from any cool Goli interactions, my career? Well, that's funny. Brought that up because it's actually a great story. He's in the Hall of Fame now and you know him very well when I mentioned his name.

He played in South Florida for a long time. Roberto Lungo. It was 2019. It was 2018. The 18-19 season, and the year the blues won the cup from going in January from last place to the ultimate prize at Winner the Stanley Cup. It was December 19th. We're in St. Louis. I've got a home game, and Bertuzo shoots the puck in from the red line and I'm off in the corner

and I see it coming to its race tie. I can't jump, I can't duck because I so I just let it hit me and it hits me in my head and it goes all the ways across the goal line and beats Longa on the short side and I fall back, I fall back, I hit my head on the boards, and I hear the horn go off when the St. Louis Blues store, the horn goes off. And, but I don't see the puck going because I'm trying to, you know, pick myself back up. And, and so the lightsman comes over and he goes, are you okay? And I go, did that puck just go in the net? And he goes, and I won't say what I said to him, but I'm like, is that your first career assist? It's my first goal.

That's a goal, right? Yeah, that's a goal. It's a goal. So anyway, it gets taken off the board because you can't score off an official and so on. It's quite a wonderful. I go in the dressing room to gather my thoughts for a few minutes. They want to put me through a concussion protocol.

So when I come back on the ice and lose in the crease and he goes, Timmy, are you okay? I said, yeah, we're brutal. I am, but I said, you know what, for the rest of my life, I'm going to say I scored on Roberto O'Longo. So the second part of the story, I'll make it quick for you. The best part was two nights later, I'm referee Florida in Chicago. And at the time James Rimer was Longos back up and he was skating the start in Chicago that night. So we're skating around warm up and Longos sees me and makes a beeline right over to me.

And he goes peels, he goes, they won't even, he goes Rimer's start into 90s and says they won't even start me when you're off in our games. Because we're afraid you're going to score on me and I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office.

I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office.

I got the pocket back here in my office. I got the pocket back here in my office. So yeah, it was great. Oh my God. That's one of my all-time favorite, Holy Stories. As soon as you started telling the story, I immediately knew what you're talking about and I said oh my god that's Tim oh no oh no we're gonna end it on this one 1999 the Stanley Cup Final game six sabers and stars Brent whole was it a goal yes and no technically it wasn't thank you was growing up was the stupidest, stupidest rule they ever brought in. They had a toe with the crease. It was, it was aesanine. They quickly got rid of it because it was, you know, we're trying to promote an increased

goal scoring in the NHL. And here we are taking it, taking a goal because the guys big toe was in the crease. So technically it shouldn't have been, but I'm a big Bret Hall fan. I was happy for Holly. So Tim Peale, Snifes and Stripes for Jeremy Ronik, that is a very good podcast. You guys should listen to that after you listen to ours and everybody on the Dan Lovato show.

Thank you, Tim, for joining us. Thank you so much, Tim. Thanks a lot, guys. Have a good day. BAM! Thank you so much, Tim. Thanks a lot, guys. Have a good day.