The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Postgame Show: Tell Us The Untold Part

Episode Date: August 28, 2023

Dan and Stu are on opposing sides of the conversation when it comes to including potentially untruthful people in documentaries in exchange for their appearance. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your listening to Giraffe King's Network. Stugots the Untold series on Netflix started out so strong the first season. It was just excellent. Every story was a surprise. Every story was a surprise. Every story was a well-done documentary. And I was really looking forward to them continuing that trend. And they went cheap and easy on Manzell. It was empty, flimsy. I mean, it was TMZ interesting, but there wasn't a lot in it. I don't know if they exchange access for diluting it down so it wouldn't be anything special or as interesting as

man's L actually is. But more appalling was the first episode I saw of that UF series where I'm like you've got to be shitting me. The worst. That they're going to just do a an hour on what they could have done with any football program in America including high school high school teams of we work hard to just rejuvenate what urban Meyer is and let him dictate the story in exchange for access. It's really a soiling of that untold series that was well told stories that were independent of the subjects. They weren't trading a dilution for the access.

The thing I saw on Netflix that was actually more real than either of those stories is the Tyson Fury sort of soap opera reality television thing that in the first episode is just showing you that this is a person with mental illness issues proclaimed that makes his life complicated and a burden for his wife and they are showing you how the heavyweight champion of the world is somebody who can't deal with retirement. When he won the heavyweight title, he spiraled into drunkenness and cocaine addiction because he got to the top of, you know, after street fighting that went decades in his family, street fighting that had him dreaming of one day. This was like out of the movie snatch, like the Brad Pitt character that is hard to understand,

because his family is just a bunch of street fighters, bad asses. This man has mental illness issues that you're watching in the first episode him go dark on you where he goes from like to dark and they're showing you something that's real. It's the opposite of what that UF documentary felt like. Why do you guys always need substance? Why can't you just enjoy the building of a great college football team and a great program? Like I know there are some things that they left out. I know it made Urban Meyer to look like a really good guy in a great coach. You know what? Maybe it wasn't interesting to you, Dan, but you know what's interesting?

Kicking ass. That is interesting. And that's what that Florida team did. I enjoyed it. I don't want to hear from anyone. What is it? I don't care about. Listen, I know the story. I know what happened. Urban Meyer cheated. You know what? The team was really, really good. I don't care. I enjoyed the documentary. I enjoyed watching Percy Harvey in big games, make big plays.

I enjoyed watching the recruitment of Tim Tibo. I don't need all the off the field stuff. Sometimes on the field is good enough for me. 41 players on that team were arrested. I know. That is what that just is known for.. 41 players on that team were arrested. I know, I know. That is what that's known for. I know. He's not being honest.

I've been talking about it forever. I knew the story before it aired. I mean, he's not. There's so much of that story we don't know. Don't fall for this. He does not believe in this. I am kind of with two gods on this. We get all that.

We get so angry about these documentaries. Like just take them for what they are. Like just watch them and that's it. But that's not what a documentary is. And that's not what this was sold as also, by the way. What you want to know, they don't know, honestly. A lot. What?

A big name. Name something. I wouldn't know about the multiple murderers on that team. Yep, that sounds like a good place to start. Murderers, when they were at Florida, you think Urban Meyer knew that one day, Aaron Hernandez was gonna murder people? Yeah. Oh, you think that, knew that one day Aaron Hernandez was gonna murder people? Yeah.

Oh, you think that, huh? Yeah, I do. Kinda based off that everything else about that entire team and program that we do know, like that's the part that's difficult. That's the part that's- Wait a second, you guys think Urban Meyer said to himself, hey, one day my tight end is gonna murder someone. No, not maybe, but not necessarily.

I think the part that is hard for a lot of people to stomach when it comes to this particular documentary is that we already know that their stuff we don't know. And then they didn't touch any of it. So there's all this stuff that we know that there's been a little reporting here, a little reporting there, these players who have these reputations. And then Aaron Hernandez happens and we're all just left asking questions and, oh my gosh, look at this Untold we're gonna have a documentary that finally exposes all of these things that we wanted to know about Florida Team competition

Winning toughness. That's what we got. It's called untold like it's not like here's what you already knew It's the stuff that we weren't supposed to know also like then being good at college football was the least interesting thing about that Exactly pretty interesting team. I mean fun team because of all the other stuff that we weren't supposed to know. Also, like, then being good at college football was the least interesting thing about that. Exactly. Pretty interesting team. I mean, fun team because of all the other stuff. Yeah, but Billy, the fact that they had this guy Tim Tibo, who you were paying so much attention to Tibo and not paying nearly enough attention to Urban Meyer and the rest of the guys in the team. To me, that's interesting. Like that was Tibo. Besides being a great player, that

was his role in the team. He was a distraction from all the bad that was happening at UF. There were multiple players on that team that were arrested at different fast food restaurants. That's crazy. But you know about it. Most people don't. I sat down and I did like my little research on this because they didn't tell you anything. They told you nothing. That's the point of the untold doc. Four hours of, okay, I know how this ends. Four hours of an Urban Meyer redemption tour. Pass.

I think we all know that UF was amazing at football. They won national championships. We all saw that happen. I want to see it again. Yeah. Well, for a Gator fan to want to relive the glory days of that program, it like makes sense of course, you know, no different than you would want a documentary about the best years of any given program where they were great. But this was an only an interesting team because of all of the other stuff and having Tibo was the halo on top.

But a documentary is supposed to be at least if not the truth, a version of the truth that people will find interesting. This is not interesting. Stu got what I watched in the first episode was enough for me not to watch any more of it for not for me not to want any more of it because I'm like, wait a minute, you're going to allow in exchange for the access, urban Meyer to tell his story when the more interesting story is someone else not looking for urban Meyer's spin or approval. I know what urban Meyer's version of the truth is. It's not the truth.

It's not anyone else's version of the truth. But you also know what the truth is, kind of, don't you? I mean, if someone's not crying in the first five minutes, you're not hooked. No, that's not. I don't need to sit back and watch a doc and watch a football team kick ass. That's all I'm saying.

I think the perfect example of how it was just like spun from the truth is the very end says Urban Meyer left the jacks. They did not say he was fired. They said he left. Like his fingerprints were all over this thing. That part, Stugans, is to me the part that is not what you want from a documentary for the subject matter to be compromised by the participation of people who are involved, not merely that's for you. I mean, for me, I'm okay with people being compromised.

I have a question for you, Dan. So we discussed briefly earlier this week, the HQ doc and the CEO who was kind of the problem, the entire time, chose not to participate in the doc. When you saw that, you were like, I'm in on this one. This is one that I want to see. I just want access to come naturally,

but not in exchange for something. I think that that compromises as a dilution that I don't want with my storytelling. And I don't think you can tell a story most accurately if you're looking for the approval of the people involved. If the only way that you can get Urban Meyer to sit down and talk is to make sure that he doesn't get any hard questions. Why do you want Urban Meyer to be your friend anyway? That's the part I don't get. Like,

why do you want, what do you want to do him a solid for and have him like you? Who cares? You want him in the dock if you're making it? But why? Not that bad. Well, how do you tell that story without Urban Meyer? Do you think that easily? Do you think that the people that did the doc are looking back and they're like, yeah, we, we, we've watched this one because no one is coming away except for two guys saying it was a good doc. One of the directors came out and was like, yeah, we just wanted to give a different side of the Florida story. And it was important to have urban Meyer being so open and like sharing her, his perspective, which like, I don't care if I want to hear a Remires bullshit, I'm going to

go read his book and I'm not going to do that. Let me go take his class on leadership. Which do you think would be better, Stugas, when you say, because I've seen documentaries all the time that don't the Barry Bond's documentary, I'm sure, is going to be interesting whether he's involved or not. You can tell the, hell, the OJ Simpson documentary didn't have OJ Simpson. You can tell a more honest version of the documentary when you don't have to deal with the person involved or cater to the person involved's feelings. You can tell a more

complete version of it. I think this is a problematic plague headed forward, Stugots. That series was so good the first season. The stories were all better, Stugots, indisputably. Now, you say that it is possible when you ask me, how do they feel about the doc? They're the only ones who have the numbers. Netflix doesn't give numbers to others. They traffic and information as much as anything. So they like to have the information to the cell to themselves and they don't tell the makers of the film how it is that they're doing. The way they would measure it is if people went to the dock and just simply watched it in big numbers. But if it had the other stuff, Stu got you will not dispute this part. Will you? If it had the other stuff, more people would watch it. Here, you're just catering it to the people

who really want University of Florida football and want the celebration of excellent. If you make it about all the other stuff that has, never mind even the dirty stuff, how about just more interesting stuff than this team works hard? This team is in the right weight room and they work until they throw up. Okay. I'm

sure I can find a six and five Purdue team that did that. There's no way. They were never going to do that. Well, the thing is, I got a new wife now.