The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - PTFO - The Belichick Ring Mystery, Solved: How Pablo's Investigation Just Got Weirder

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

After his reporting about 24-year-old Jordon Hudson went viral, Pablo re-opens the door on Bill Belichick's personal and professional scandals, presenting Michael Cruz Kayne and Katie Nolan with more clues to unbox — including, but not limited to: the Avengers of geo-guessing, multiple (exclusive) Ring camera videos, two worried homeowners, a smoking gun, a sheer curtain, a man bag... and a five-star review. • Subscribe to "Casuals with Katie Nolan" https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-casuals-with-katie-nolan-255227604/ • Listen to "Sorry for Your Loss" by Michael Cruz Kayne https://www.audible.com/pd/Sorry-for-Your-Loss-Audiobook/B0CGJSXSPF • Previously on PTFO: The Jordon Rules https://www.pablo.show/p/how-we-investigated-jordon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. Pablo, what the f***? Pablo, what the f***? This is crazy. Pablo, what the f***? This is crazy. Right after this ad.

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We just look for somebody to tell us that we suck. When I'm in the comments, what I see is a thousand, Pablo and Katie are such a great couple or whatever. And I'm like, I'm also there. And then me. I haven't even seen Pablo yet, it's like a reveal. It's like, I get like, what's he wearing? It's gonna be in a bald gown.

Yeah. Oh, a second outfit. There he is. Miss America. What is, are you in like a... Active withdrawal? No, you're in some kind of a suit almost. Oh yes.

Are these sensible separates? Were you at some kind of an event or is this just how you... Pablo's very famous now because of this. Because of us. Yeah. He's writing our cocktails. Yes, the sacrifice we make being here having journalism happen to us live. being here having journalism happen to us live. And this week, another twist in the back and forth media saga, sports journalist Pablo Torre reporting that Hudson is being blacklisted by the university's football program. He shared the alleged details on his podcast.

Two sources at the university of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision was made last week. And that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building. Okay. She is not allowed on the football field. If you put me on a line of type right now and you said, who's the greatest sports journalist in the world? I swear to God, I'd say Pablo Torres.

I believe Pablo Torres, who, you know, put out a big statement on Friday, basically dictating exactly where he got the information from, higher ups in North Carolina and what have you. And I believe Pablo. Once again, Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz-Cain, thank you for being here. And I'm sorry. Yeah. You have papers again in front of you.

It's crazy. There's a box. There's a box That's crazy. There's a box. There's a box in this room under this table. We're gonna find out what's in the box because... Hate it. This is even weirder than it was last time. That's impossible. May I say that's impossible?

I went on a reporting trip this weekend. What do you mean? I left my family to do this. Yeah. This episode will involve yet more online reviews. Oh, God. As a brief foreshadowing. And we tried not to do this.

We did an episode about Vladimir Putin's partnership with a German soccer team. Okay. And this was important reporting. And the response from Greg Dickerson on Twitter was, quote, Stop wasting your time with the small-time stuff like Putin. We need more Balachek ring camera videos. Oh, man. And so after the episode came out,

and everybody was making a big deal of the fact that I said that Jordan Hudson was banned from the Carolina football facilities, from the field, from the program, that she wasn't welcome there, wasn't wanted there, all that stuff. University of North Carolina had a choice to make when it came to their response. They could have said, this reporter is incorrect. She is welcome here. Period. What they did though was release a statement. And the statement said this, quote, While Jordan Hudson is not an employee at the University of Carolina athletics, she is welcome to the Carolina football facilities. Jordan will continue to manage all activities related to coach Belichick's personal brand outside of his

responsibilities for Carolina football and the university." End of quote. Right, so carefully worded, especially given how quickly they responded with that. She doesn't work here, that's for sure. Which is an interesting thing that only became more accentuated when Bill Balachek resumed his press tour for this book that was the whole heart of the CBS Sunday Morning thing that went haywire, and the messaging seemed to take on a very deliberate new tone.

I know that you're aware that your relationship with Jordan Hudson has been a headline over the last few months. And all of the specifics aside, because a lot has come out in the last couple of days, how do you think that that impacts your ability to coach this football team, if at all? Yeah, I mean that's you know really off to the side. It's a personal relationship and she doesn't have anything to do with UNC football. She does the business things

that don't relate to North Carolina that come up in my life so I can concentrate on football. What does Jordan actually do for you that allows you to do your job? What are her actual job responsibilities? Well, nothing with North Carolina. That would be number one. It would be personal opportunity. So, you know, it just seems like there has been a change, right? They had a new PR person. This guy, Brandon Faber, used to work for the Chicago Bears. He's now the PR person in charge. It's not Jordan Hudson. She is, as Belichick said, off to the side,

only a personal thing, not personal and professional, as she had said in that statement previously released. But it was complicated, I thought, when I heard Channing Crowder, one of the co-hosts of the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark, the last interviewer in that montage, because he described his experience on set with Bill Belichick in that interview like this. It's weird to know him as Coach Belichick running the entire organization as GM, head coach, talent coordinator, all that stuff. And then to see this tiny little 95 pound girl kind of pretty much

Telling him what to do. So she was there She was there. She she she choreographed the open Wow Yeah, no, I said like she was there and she kind of coordinated their brand managers and you know What do you mean? She coordinated like you guys are a successful podcast. You have a pretty decent formula like She coordinated though. I mean CBS Sunday morning is pretty successful show as well And she seemed to have her paws all over that thing That's what I say. She has her paws on on the on the Situation a bit more complicated behind the scenes once again.

The second reaction I have though is that I want Katie Nolan to turn over the first page. Oh no, why's it gotta be me? It's an early turn. Should I put on gloves? Should I put on gloves? You might need to. I mean, look, what's been happening is that Jordan Hudson

has been sidelined. Except she's also still around. Sidelined, so in this press tour for this book, at least messaging wise. The new rebrand is upon us. Right. She is not speaking. It says, warning, turn over when instructed. I am instructed.

First page only. First page only. Okay, here we go. At Jordan Bella is the account. It has been dormant since January 2024 when the account retweeted cheer updates. Then last Friday, so last Friday, Jordan starts retweeting posts that defend her. She tweets one tweet from this account, Kari Hicksage. It's lacking a lot of punctuation.

I think I'll lose people if I try to read it. But basically, it's the person's trying to defend in response to a New York Post aggregation of your reporting, Pablo. They quote tweeted that. Yeah, you do keep wanting to put all of our names on it. But it is a quote tweet of that and a defense of Jordan. Jordan reposted that. Then Jordan replied to it,

hashtag scapegoat with goat capitalized. Oh, wow. She then also retweeted a reply to Awful Announcing, which I think we've run into this before, but we've had into this before, but we've had to describe to you that that is a website that covers sports media. Okay. Which reads simply, this comes from Daddy G at Ellen T-shirts, and he replied and said,

good lord, Pablo needs a hobby. So Jordan retweeted someone saying, good lord, Pablo needs a hobby. And now Pablo, show me the lie. She's not wrong. Pablo, tell me about hobbies that you have. She's not incorrect that my life has been consumed by this story. And she is so correct, actually, that the real reason I summoned you here is not for any of the s*** that we just ran through.

Oh no. It's to get to the fact that there is a thing that we didn't even put into the original episode that we did. I'm excited and scared. I think I know what it is and I'm just more scared. It became world famous and I mean that literally because of Tom Brady, who Katie Nolan may recall from his work with New England Patriots. Because he was the center of a Netflix roast.

And everybody who was there was some version of associated or instrumental to the New England Patriots and their dynasty, including Bill Belichick. And when millions of people around the world tuned in, they heard Tom Brady say this. And now, for the real reason y'all here, Coach Bill Belichick. this. favorite ring is the camera that caught coach Belichick slinking out of that poor girl's house at 6 a.m. a few months ago. That's just like making me watch that

Salkburn video. Watching athletes do comedy. It's not dissimilar either. Are you guys familiar with this ring cam video? Yes. Vaguely, but I would I know that it exists but I'm not sure that I've seen it. Thank you for being the control group. I'm scared of it. No because it went viral truly in November 2023 but the video for those not familiar did look like this. Oh my lord. Please narrate what you're seeing. Well I'm seeing Bill Belichick topless coming out of a maybe a screen door I'm not sure on like a ring camera he's maybe on the back porch it looks like is this a walk of shame all good questions yeah do we have any answers coming well what happened with this

video is that there have been a flood of questions right but nobody has ever determined the truth of where this video comes from Until when it was taped if there are other videos out there until now Until now Wow no way Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. Pick any two breakfast items for $4. New four-piece french toast sticks, bacon or sausage wrap, biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee, and more.

Limited time only at participating Wendy's Taxes Extra. So the Ring camera in question, the video that got circulated all over the internet, some Boston area person actually watermarked it. It went viral. And it was most famously described in my research this way, quote, Daily Mail.com can reveal the ex-patriots coach was sneaking out of the Massachusetts home of his 24 year old former cheerleader girlfriend, Jordan Hudson. The ring footage believed to be from November last year shows the legend shirtless opening the front door

of Hudson's $800,000 Massachusetts property in the early hours of the morning. What? Weird detail. A lot of people, by the way, because of this, I think understandably, they have theorized that did this leak come from inside the house? Yeah. As it were. Did Jordan Hudson maybe leak this as a theory that has been promulgated?

I can tell you that Bill Belichick's own family has been terrified, panicked by this video existing. Imagine if suddenly your 70 year old patriarch is shown shirtless, you know, bountifully. Bountifully. Zoftig. Oh my God. And they say, where did this come from? What else has happened here?

Who has this? Who do they send it to? Why does this exist? Why am I looking at this? Yeah. And in fact, one NFL executive whose team discussed hiring Bill Belichick last offseason before the entire league turned Belichick down, says their front office saw the video, didn't know what to make of this video when it got circulated online. This has been a big part of the story behind the scenes.

It is a missing piece of Belichick's personal and professional trajectory, to paraphrase Jordan Hudson before, and I didn't wanna take any of this reporting at face value, of course. So when I appeared on a podcast, pardon my take, I used their platform to say this. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager

of that guy, Rain Bolt, who's the GeoGyster guy. Yeah, he's incredible. And so I'm hoping if Rain Bolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery. Oh my god, Pablo. This is crazy. Oh my god, Pablo. Are you guys familiar with rain bolts? It's like the guy who like you can show him a picture of anything and he's like, it's exactly here. It's wild. He can be like you are at the parking lot of old Cal doors in Massachusetts on the he can pinpoint you on a map. It's crazy. He's the geo-guessing goat. Yeah.

Okay. Wait, no, you know this is the same rock that was on that one island. What island was it with this rock? It was the island between NMI and Guam. How? I don't know. How? I don't know.

Whatever the opposite of that is, that's me. I'm like, am I in my own house right now? Yeah, I don't know where I am when I'm the opposite of that is that's me. I'm like I am I in my own house right now. Yeah, I don't know where I am when I'm there Do I know this elephant I you honor I think might know this elephant if this is Like on one of these roads over here. I might know the elephant I'm obsessed with rain bolts and I have many many questions for Rain Bolt himself that I might ask him now that we have an ongoing Messaging relationship. Oh my god. So last Wednesday. This is I got a DM from Rainbolt and he said at 9 12 a.m. I've been sent that podcast clip many times. Haha

Period I'm not home for about a week, but just LMK. What you need from me and I can see what I can do. Salute emoji. I respond, send him some screenshots. The video that you saw, a ballot check, the ring cam. And he replied, currently at 18,000 feet in Nepal, but I'll do my best. Ha ha ha ha ha. What?

Exclamation point. What? Supposed point. What? Supposed to be back Tuesday but will send to friends that can get an early jump that are just as talented. A side story here is that there is Wi-Fi at 18,000 feet in Nepal? Yeah. The side side story is that apparently there is an Avengers level roster of geoguessers. That's sick.

Because what Rainbolt says on Saturday at 10.06 a.m. is, all right, sent out to about eight highly skilled individuals. Terrifying. Including at M. Cantow, who is a wizard in his own right, will keep you updated exclamation point. This feels dangerous to me. I don't want to have a relationship with people who can do this. I'm like, I want to have a good relationship. I want them to like me and be a friend. This is like when Tony Soprano is like, here's a hundred bucks, you just take it. You're like, no, I don't want that man.

I don't need that money. It's not, something bad is going to happen to me. Well, get under the table because here we go. My army of eight geoguessers proceeded to beyond the case. And as I'm waiting for this army of eight geoguessers to help us with our reporting, simultaneously, because I've been on all these things, all these shows talking about this story in my reporting.

So many. I started getting a couple of tips. And what these tips started suggesting to me, and I had to track all the stuff down, try to verify it, fact check it it, is that this house actually there's a key detail that has been misreported. It was actually an Airbnb. The problem being that the listing had been taken down and so there was another dead end but a clue. At this point these new sources I was cultivating informed me of another major development. Because remember when we posed the question about what other videos are there? Out there?

What could there be? It turns out that there in fact is another video of Bill Belichick from this Ring Cam that had been floating out into the ether. And so I want to remind you again, this was the original. Okay, so first you think he's naked. Off the bat, you think this guy's naked. I mean, he's sort of like wandering around like a dazed bear.

Yeah, hair a little must. His hair a little must. Goes to reach into the- Where's his shirt? Wheel well. The wheel well. Where's his shirt? He's shirtless.

Where's the shirtless in the wheel well? I got good news and bad news. Okay. The bad news is I have no idea where his shirt is. Oh damn. Because here exclusively for the first time is the other video. Oh my God.

Oh! He has a satchel. Yeah, it's got a little, a merse. Or bag, right? He is very shirtless. He has like a leather satchel. It is a hide and seek, isn't it? Okay, so he's still topless. Merse or back right he is very shirtless Okay, so he's still topless absolutely yum yum delish great a bag with a leather strap that he's clearly not figured out how to tighten Because it's looped in a way you definitely wouldn't be choosing and a hydro flask He's whole he's holding one of those steel metal flasks

You put water in and puts it down by the wheel well. And I would say he looks, and this is sort of normal for our guy Bill, he looks kind of disheveled. Even in like, even if you saw another man at that exact same age in the exact same state, Bill has a little bit of disrepair to him. I do love the birds chirping cheerily in the background. That is woke, I just woke up hair. That hair has not yet been vertical to the point where it falls. It's like, it was just up against a pillow.

Bedhead. That is a clinical case of bedhead. Yes, exactly. What are we to make of this now? Well, I'm glad you asked because simultaneously what at M. Cantow, who turned out to be a German geoguessor. What he sent me is a message. And the message quote is, the Ring Cam is located here. Yeah, that's terrifying.

And then he named the town, he named the address, he gave me a couple screenshots from Google Maps. Are we allowed to be terrified by this? The idea of just a guy in Germany who's like, I can find you wherever you are. Sure, yeah, you're allowed. I'm allowed to be like, I'm a little bit sweaty? Yeah. Okay. Don't piss him off. I certainly won't.

He's a handsome, handsome man. You don't know. I bet he is. You're just lying. You're a hunk, fella. I was also sweaty, a bit nervous. Because at this point, I decided to take a trip. You went to the town.

Shut up, Pablo. You've been to this house. Shut up, Pablo. If you show me a Ring Cam video with you. Oh Pablo, what the fuck? Pablo, what the fuck? This is crazy. Pablo, what the fuck?

This is crazy. This is crazy. I don't understand what, I don't understand what's, I don't understand what podcast this is. Is this Truman Show? Is this World Truman Show? Where are we?

What's going on? Oh my God, what's going on? What is this? Okay, I need a lot of answers now. You went to the house, and you have access to the footage from the Ring camera. Right, so the Ring camera, the footage must go to the,

whoever's staying in the Airbnb, that is? I think I'm starting to smell bad. I'm having a special sweat that it smells. Um, the footage must go to the whoever's staying in the Airbnb then? I think I'm starting to smell bad. I'm having a special sweat that it smells. I'm having a bad smelling sweat. You've raised the number of very legitimate questions about how it is that we just played you a video of me on that porch. Yeah.

Okay, so. Is this AI? Did you put yourself in the video? So the first thing I should exclude I should explain is that uh There's a box underneath the table The box the next thing is the box Please get the box I'm lightheaded. I don't like this. I don't

I'm lightheaded. I don't like this. I don't I think so open the box. Well, I should open the box. Yeah Pablo is it alive is something can you just give us a heads up? This is bill Belichick shirt. I'm walking out. Yeah same with a new shirt Okay, even more sketchy Okay, do I open this I've returned to the mic. Yeah, for our producers. Okay, it's taped hastily. I don't know how scared to be, but I'm definitely a little bit scared. So, what are you holding, Michael? I'm holding a box for a ring camera, which sounds like it has a ring camera inside of it.

You may open the box inside the box. What I should explain is that the day before I went on this reporting trip to this house, I went to a Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe's live podcast. Shout out. Shout out to a touch more. And they had gift bags. And as I, this is not a joke. They were literally giving away ring cams.

Okay. So this is your ring cam. This is my ring cam. That you set up at that house. That we set up at that house. That we set up at that house. Okay, that's a lot less crazy than I thought it was for a second there. Now what I did do though.

You don't want to touch it anymore? You want to put it down? I'm scared of it. What I did do though, as we explain how it is that we have ring camera footage of me doing that, is that I found the Airbnb listing, which had been taken down previously. It was not the same one, but I was matching photos. And I wasn't sure if it was the house, like how could you really tell? It wasn't exactly, you know, screenshots of the ring camera video that we had shown.

But the smoking gun did reveal itself among the reviews. Oh my God. Jordan from Chata Mass. Among the reviews. Oh my God. Jordan from Chata Mass. July of 2023, five stars. Great spot, great views, great host, great value. Thumbs up emoji. And that review encouraged me to rent this Airbnb.

So at this point, I'd like to take you on a tour. I'd love that. Of my vacation getaway. Can this stop blinking at me? No. So here I am in the foyer. There's the curtain in front of the washer dryer. This is the door to the kitchen.

Great. You know, it's very nice. Railroad style. Very nice railroad style, long hallway. And we're at the end of the property. This is about 700 square feet. There's some nautical theme stuff you may see. Very clean, very nice.

Opening up of the sheer curtains to the bedroom and there is... Oh, it's a railroad style house. The whole place is in one straight line. It has like, you know, a college dorm sort of scale to it. Looks like almost a Murphy bed. Is that a Murphy? Does it fold up? It might be.

Because it could. They make those very chic now. It is the downstairs apartment of a house. That is what it feels like. Winthrop, Massachusetts. Winthrop. Winthrop, of course. Winthrop.

Of course. Winthrop. Just outside of Boston. And so that, yeah, I think that's a full or a double-bed. Damn, I couldn't even guess what town it is in Massachusetts. Those, don't let those G.O. guys see me. Yeah. They'd be, they'd be like, hang on, putah. Pathetic. And when I took this tour and I got the gist, I was like, I think my work here is done. You'd think. I think your work here is done. You'd think. I think your work is kind of more than done.

You have exceeded the bounds of what I would consider your work. Michael, I tried. Yeah. I tried. I tried to be done. Yeah. Tried to leave. But what happened was...

Just when you thought you were out. The upstairs owner was like, I want to introduce myself. Oh. And I said... My name's Julian Edelman. She came downstairs, stopped by, and for better and for worse, recognized me. Oh dear! At which point I said, Hi, would you be willing to answer a few questions about your property

and what seems to be the most famous porch in Massachusetts. And provided that we kept her anonymous and just used the audio, she agreed. Oh my God. What's your relationship to this place? We lived here. We rented this unit for about a year in 2022. And then we bought it in May of 2023. And you guys are sports fans? Big time.

Cowboys? Patriots. But it works. So this is the couple that owns the Airbnb. They seem sweet. They do seem sweet. Yeah. They are very sweet.

And something that they make clear, which is insane to me, is that they didn't own it for that long before this all happened to them. And as a new host, as you now learn through her experience with me, she's very friendly. And she offered the same courtesy to Jordan Hudson. As a new host, I tried to make it a point to meet people, and I couldn't meet her right when she arrived. So I came in and I'd come off the golf course and we were just chatting about different things

and that's when she said that she wanted to know how far Danvers was and I was like, are you getting married? She said, no, I compete in pageants. And I said, well, we're members at the golf course. You should come and play with us. You know, my friends have clubs, they can lend you. She said she played.

That's right. Yeah. She said she played and she also said she prefers a men's senior shaft. So I just sort of didn't really think much about that until later. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Am I team Jordan?

Wait a second. This is a golf term I have learned. I mean, a men's senior shaft. Now may I ask, because I've, I just like to ruin your day. Yeah. This is, at this point, does this woman know at the point that Jordan is saying that she prefers a men's senior?

Does she know that her guest with her there is Bill Belichick? I am so glad you asked that question. Yes, finally. We saw the Ring video in the morning, not knowing who this was, but it was an older gentleman with a very young woman who checked in the night before and a car parked where it said no parking was like worrisome to us that this is going to shut us down. We need to make sure that they know registered guests cannot.

She said, she's with this creepy old guy. She thought her relative or a drug dealer was her first thing because of the age. Just can't look at him. You go, must be a fucking coke dealer. I was like, what? Come on. So that was her first reaction.

And then I started looking. I'm like, that does look like Belichick. And then I saw the walk, and the haunchy hat, because they were doing OTAs, so we had the farmer's tan going. The sun was just coming up, yeah, it was probably six o'clock. We were legitimately worried about her,

because she booked for four nights or something. Five nights. Five nights, and she was here that one night with him, and we didn't see her again. And we looked in the window like nobody came by like who books and doesn't come it was a beautiful no more weather was beautiful like we never saw her at once come or go more ring videos of her coming and going so when it came Saturday evening it was time to say hey here are the checkout instructions but at first

we thought she was like a dancer or an escort I mean being I was like she could be as good because she had multiple like she said she was a dancer and it was As the week went on, we were thinking that. Because she had multiple, like she said she was a dancer and it was just something was off about it. Yeah. You know, like it just didn't make sense. I think that's fair for those people. That's logical.

That's what the gossip in me would do being like, we had a young girl who mentioned cheerleading, have an older man over and then not show back up. She must wear, like that's fair. I don't think they're like, I mean, with that accent, I can only discern this to be the most genuine reaction for a Bostonian Patriots fan to have when he's not sure is this man Bill Belichick. Yeah, that sounds like my uncle. Yeah, his detective work also, I really, I really enjoyed him being like, it's the funnest, the OTAs. That's a fan, you know what I mean? That's a real fan.

So this was, as key context is concerned, the second Airbnb guest they ever had. Crazy, the odds of that. And this was happening, this video was taken on June 28th, 2023, during OTAs, organized team activities in the NFL. And I just need to clarify something, because when it comes to how the video originally circulated,

how did it get out? This was the original mystery that compelled me to even go, which is like, where did this come from? How did this get out here? Who leaked it? And they want it to be extraordinarily clear that not only was it not them they regret not making money off of this because this is what happened

she showed it to me the next morning I said come on don't be foolish and she had sent it to a girlfriend of hers. And the girlfriend right away said, that's definitely him. I don't think we ever really thought of it in that way until we probably saw when someone other than us released the video and then when it was on the Netflix special. And then it came out a few more times. So I think it's kind of crazy now to think about. But I don't think...

They sent it to some friends and were like, is this Bill Balachek, the favorite coach of the man who co-owns this house? And everybody that they sent it to was like, of course it is Bill Balachek. And then that video is on the loose, bro. Yeah, once it's out, it's out. Somebody... do they think one of their friends might have profited off of it? I think there is a chain of custody beyond which they have zero visibility Yeah, and someone I mean what other?

Proof I have that this is not them has to do with the fact that some of my sources who tipped me off to the fact That this is an Airbnb outside of Boston. I got sent screenshots of group chats from before this was released. And it's all lots of people in the Boston area just talking about how this thing is about to drop. And they're not in it for whatever that's worth. But lots of people clearly were like trading this video until it made its way out into the loose. I'm not in the right whisper circles. Yeah. That's a bummer.

It's a blow to the ego to know that I'm not getting included on any of that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that for you. That's all right. Thanks. Oh, and I should clarify that like a key part of what I'm finding out, by the way, to be very, very clear

is that I also don't have any evidence that Jordan Hudson is the one who leaked this. Right. So like the whole thing of did Jordan release the tape? Was it her house? Did she release the video herself? The thing that she did that was not the greatest, again, OPSEC, as they say in like the Defense Department.

Operational security? You got it. You got it. Nice. Is that it didn't seem like Bill Belichick was aware that in fact in the listing for this Airbnb It very clearly says there's a ring cam as he was wandering back and forth loading his car before 6 a.m Which you can tell us when the timestamps one of the amenities at the Airbnb is we will catch your ass. Yeah This is it, the day you finally ask for that big promotion. You're in front of your mirror with your Starbucks coffee.

Be confident. Assertive. Remember eye contact. But also, remember to blink. Smile. But not too much. That's weird. What if you aren't any good at your job?

What if they demote you instead? Okay. Don't be silly. You're smart. You're driven. You're gonna be late if you keep talking to the mirror. This promotion is yours. Go get them.

Starbucks. It's never just coffee. So I do want to go back to the tweet that I feel like is increasingly accurate that Jordan Hudson retweeted. Oh, you mean, good Lord Pablo needs a hobby? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I was thinking the same thing. Because when you go to that tweet on her page and you click on it and you're like, what is this in response to? It is a response to this awful announcing article that is aggregating a piece of information that I had in our first episode that we did together. And it said, quote, Pablo Torre colon Jordan Hudson was around Patriots as early as 2021.

That is the response. That is the tweet that led Daddy G to say, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby. This is also a bit of information that people have doubted. People have doubted whether she could possibly have been around the Patriots in 2021. For instance, on Twitter, there's a guy,

Jamie McDonald, who said, quote, yeah, I don't believe a thing this dude says, honestly. Maybe she was, but if Pablo Torre is the one saying it, I don't believe it. And then he goes on to further disparage my credibility in general. How dare. The New York Times reported this week, quote, Ms. Hudson has not shared publicly when or how her romantic relationship with Mr. Belichick began

in earnest, but by the summer of 2023, she was spending time in Foxborough Mass where the Patriots are headquartered, end quote. And so this brings us back to this larger question about what did NFL teams know? What did anybody know about their relationship such that the teams that were contemplating, interviewing, even hiring Bill Balachek to be their head coach and possibly more, which again, no one did. This question sort of rests on this timeline of like, so when was she around? When did this relationship start?

When was she around? When did this relationship start? When was she around NFL buildings? And so I had to figure out how do I prove what I had been told, which is that she was around Gillette Stadium in November, 2021. How do I prove this? And so Michael, you got papers in front of you. And I want you to describe what it is that you are seeing. Okay, I'm looking at a picture of the crowd at Gillette Stadium. Are you f***ing kidding me?

So, there is a thing called a fan cam. Okay. That I didn't know about until last week. I know about this. Katie Nolan, you're familiar? Yes, so you can, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but a fan cam you you can Put in your seat like your ticket number and your row and everything at a certain game and it'll show you that section of that game On camera so you can find yourself as a fan in the crowd at the game that you go going back like It turns out he's gonna find on December 14th, 2014.

Wow, seven years ahead of when we would need it. Huh. Impression. So, what I didn't realize is that this was a whole searchable thing with like high-definition cameras everywhere where you could zoom in to any part of the state. The Panopticon. It is in fact a Patriots Panopticon. A Patoptic... whatever, go ahead. What I found after exhaustive searching of the Patriots fan cam database.

Good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby. Sorry, keep going. Was the Sunday, November 28th, 2021, when the Tennessee Titans visited the New England Patriots. I don't understand. So I'd like you to flip to your next. This is like when David Blaine like eats a thing of glass where you're like, what, how did you do that?

What's the sleight of hand here? And he's like, you know what I did? I just did it. Yeah. I actually did that thing. The thing that you're like, no one would do that. I did it. Oh my God.

Stop, Pablo. It's zoomed way in. We are way zoomed in on this fan cam as that. Sure is. That is Jordan. This is November when? 28th? 28th, 2021. It's the Patriots 36-13 win over the Tennessee Titans. You may recall it as a time Mac Jones threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns. Ramondre Stevenson had 46 yards on the ground.

Jacoby Myers 98 yards receiving. What I learned in my reporting is that Bill Balachek has a row of seats. He has multiple seats outdoors, not merely in his luxury box somewhere, but out right beneath the overhang in Gillette Stadium, which is a pretty good seat. It turns out good sight lines also cover from like the elements. And what I had to do was scroll endlessly through Gillette Stadium's fan cams. You're telling me that you just went through it?

You knew the section, but not the day? I knew roughly the month, November. I didn't know exactly the section and what was a real mother-f***er for me was that when you start doing this the first set of photos is from pregame and so when you go to that you don't see three people who seem to be sitting together in those seats. You in fact almost contemplate giving up on this episode entirely. Right.

Yeah, sure. I don't see anything. Only to realize that in fact there's a time lapse dynamic in which you click forward to like the first quarter and suddenly materializing in three empty seats are three people that I recognize because a separate bit of photography I'd seen before is in fact a photo of Jordan Hudson at a Patriots game. And that is the next piece of paper. Jordan had posted this photo on Facebook of her and two people that I don't know.

And I did some basic research and may or may not know who they are, but that's largely relevant to what we're doing here. And yes, you can clearly see that this is Jordan Hudson wearing the same outfit in the fan cam video alongside two people who are also wearing the identical outfits. The outfit being a Tom Brady jersey. And Katie Nolan has observed. Yeah, and it's the same jacket, but the jacket's all pulled up The outfit being a Tom Brady jersey. And Katie Nolan has observed. Yeah, and it's the same jacket, but the jacket's all pulled up so you can see her face a little better.

Yeah. Tom Brady jersey. I don't know. It's just very frustrating. I think the main source of frustration for me is this iron curtain that it's always been. Where I've always been like, well, Bill doesn't talk about that stuff. So Bill's on the distra- like, it's the words I've used to defend this— him being at the helm of my team, that now I feel like he's going like,

actually, I'm like this. And it's just like, okay, so you've been covered by a media you refuse to interact with in a way that gives them anything. And now you're kind of spilling out on the sides. And it's just, I'd like to know if you're aware of everything that's going on, Mr. Belichick? I do often think about what New England Bill Belichick would say to North Carolina Bill Belichick when it comes to the concept of distraction and media strategy and who to trust because if nothing else, what we are talking about beyond a story about power which was the theme of the last episode we did it's just a story where

you pull at any thread and you will find in some cases a literal thread attached to a mattress in an Airbnb in Massachusetts or in the case of Gillette Stadium, a trail that goes back on camera that is verifiable years earlier. And all I'm saying is the whole thing about like, don't be distraction, do your job. We don't talk or worry about the media. We are seeing one character become so opposite that it has been disorienting for everybody involved. I mean, based on my understanding, which is extremely thin compared to the two of you,

of how Bill Belichick operated as the coach of the Patriots, of how Bill Belichick operated as the coach of the Patriots, Patriots Bill Belichick would fire UNC coach Bill Belichick. It feels like this whole no distractions, do your job is like the no parking sign of this Airbnb. It's a thing you say and Bill goes, not me though. They're not talking to me. How can you get even more of everything you love about Porter with the new BMO VI Porter MasterCard?

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And look, yes, this story may have very, very dumb aspects to it, fully acknowledge that, but it is also the story of the most highly paid public employee in the state of North Carolina today, who also happens to be the greatest coach in the history of America's most popular sport, as well as the foremost cultural example of what it means to do your job and eliminate distraction, as he preached to the greatest and most famous quarterback of all time, who was publicly joking about the video whose mystery we have now solved today. And so look, yes, if you think sports are important, I find it hard to not treat this

story as worthy of inspection, regardless of the whole age gap dynamic, regardless of the whole he met her on a plane when she was 19 years old thing, although I also consider that worth mentioning. She became the person Bill Belichick empowered to the point where he told North Carolina to CC her on every single email sent to him. She was managing his public image and actual media businesses, and the people who diminish her influence, as well as failed to consider the influence this had on NFL hiring processes, clearly didn't talk to the same people that I have now interviewed, let alone his family

and his inner circle and university administrators. But Jordan Hudson and I agree on two things, at the very least. Number one, I really do need a new hobby. I've spent way too much time reporting, fact-checking. For instance, this week, the New York Times reported that Jordan Hudson has told at least one person that she and Bill Belichick are now engaged to be married. What I can tell you is that as recently as March Belichick told a friend who directly asked him about this that they are not engaged. And if they are, mazel tov. But the second thing that Jordan Hudson and I absolutely agree on brings me back to Winthrop, Massachusetts.

Quarters six. Wasn't there a tucket? Wasn't co-hasset? Wasn't hull? Wasn't hull? It was Winthrop, Massachusetts. Wasn't fall? It was Win, wasn't hauled, wasn't hauled, it was winter, wasn't fall, this little town right outside of Boston.

And so what I needed to do here at the end was leave a review of my own. It is pretty amazing that this apartment is just 22 minutes outside of Boston. It has an in-unit washer and dryer, a dining area slash workspace, excellent water pressure by the way, a relatively new smart television, a full-size bed with freshly changed sheets, and this sheer curtain, which provides some privacy but not quite as much as you next time. Thanks for watching. Bye. Bye. Rob McCrae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our sound design by NGW Post,

our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. We will talk to you next time. Thanks for watching.