The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - PTFO - The Jackie Robinson of Legoland, with Wyatt Cenac

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

LEGO is, in many ways, the biggest education company on the planet — an influential form of learning about the world around us, whether you're a kid, or an NBA star like Victor Wembanyama, or the ...Emmy-winning comedian Wyatt Cenac, who spent months researching how the famously yellow faces on millions of mini-figures… became so racially confounding. Pablo and Wyatt unbox a gigantic foosball table and explore a plastic world where the Civil War and January 6 never end. More on race and LEGOs from Wyatt Cenac and Pineapple Street Media: https://www.wyattcenac.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. Yellow. Yes. Yes. That's a great idea. That's a great... Yep. Yep. Yep. We're in. Right after this ad. You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. So I've been doing a lot of research for this, by the way. Is it research or is it playing? I've been telling my wife that I am doing research as I play with my daughter's toys. Now wait, you said Violet has Legos. How many Lego sets have you gotten her to this point?
Starting point is 00:00:45 So what I have, what I grew up with, I have given her. And so what I had was the Batlord Green Dragon Witch. I also bought for Violet, in scare quotes, one of those, the newer sets, the Lego Banzai Tree. Oh, sure. Okay. Which I assembled and made her just watch me assemble because come on. Did you as you assembled it were you just like you
Starting point is 00:01:10 can't touch this huh look at look at what dad is doing. I could not say that enough yeah she was just look you're a Bat Lord but me I'm a Lego gardener. On this giant box on the table here I don't know what the suggested age range is, but this is an enormous box of Legos you brought me. It's 18 and over. Wow, okay, so please describe Wyatt Cenac, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me.
Starting point is 00:01:34 What you brought on the subway with you to this studio today. Yeah, I brought this on the subway. I was very worried that a child was gonna ask me for it. I thought about putting it in a trash bag. Can you imagine being mugged? Yeah, by like two aggressive 12 year olds. Just the noise of all the...
Starting point is 00:01:52 There's so many pieces in here was the first thing. Yeah, just them running away like... You'll never find us! Yeah, so this Lego set that I brought, it is a Lego foosball set. When you build it, it is a playable foosball table with Lego people as the different players on the teams. I have never been more excited for an object that someone has brought into the studio. And we've had some weird objects in this studio. I suppose we should foreshadow...
Starting point is 00:02:26 — Sure. —...that we will unbox this, because it is significant to the enterprise that we're here to discuss. — Yes. And when we do that unboxing, should we do it as, like, a full YouTube unboxing video, and also an ASMR video. This is me licking my lips at the prospect of dethroning that kid, was it Ryan's toys?
Starting point is 00:02:54 We'll stare and yes! You did it! Great job, Ryan! And guess what, Ryan? Your reign's f***ing over. Alright so you may be wondering why we are doing an episode about little yellow plastic people while everybody else is focused on the NBA and the rest of sports. And what you should know is that a startling portion of the NBA is also focused on those
Starting point is 00:03:42 little yellow plastic people. Which also makes sense, insofar as LEGO is the biggest and most beloved toy company in the entire world. Earlier this month, for instance, Sports Illustrator reported that Victor Wembanyama's first big purchase with his rookie contract, the thing he had been dreaming about upon making the NBA was the Millennium Falcon Star Wars Lego set. Meanwhile, another seven-footer, Miles Turner of the Pacers, said he spends three to four hours every day playing with Legos. Although we also asked the press to, you know, not call it that. not call it that. And in fact, this philosophical distinction between playing and building happens to be
Starting point is 00:04:33 at the heart of what I wanted to find out today. As does LEGO Star Wars, incidentally. Because if LEGO's explicit mission here is to, quote, inspire and develop the builders of tomorrow, like my daughter and countless kids around the world, then LEGO is not just the biggest toy company in the world. It is the biggest education company in the world as well, which makes all of these little yellow LEGO people, these mini-figures as they call them, an influential form of learning about the world around us in real life. Whether you're, yes, Violet, or a big man like Victor Wemba Nyama and Miles Turner,
Starting point is 00:05:16 or even if you're an Emmy-winning comedian like Wyatt Sinak, who was here today because he spent months researching the answer to a very logical follow-up question. What race are all these little yellow LEGO people actually supposed to be? So this started with seeing the LEGO movie. I noticed there was a character named Vitruvius who shows up who's voiced by Morgan Freeman and he's a brown-skinned Lego. Vitruvius! Lord Business. And prior to that I'd never noticed race in Legos and even in this movie you're just seeing yellow Legos and then all of a sudden this one brown Lego shows up. And for me in that moment, I went back to what I thought when I was a kid,
Starting point is 00:06:13 which was there is no race in Legos. So if no race is represented, I can be one of these little yellow Legos. So can a white person. So like anyone can be a little yellow Lego. There is no, there's no defined race. Then I see this Lego movie where I see hundreds of yellow Legos, one black Lego, and that's it. So I want to explain for people who maybe aren't as fluent in the racial politics of LEGO land.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Yeah. How it is that the color yellow, which is of course the defining color of every, they're called minifigures. Minifigures, yes. Every LEGO minifigure is ostensibly yellow. This is my memory of it. I will put some statistics to it. Since 1958, apparently, LEGO has produced 600 billion bricks.
Starting point is 00:07:05 20 to 30 billion every year. And the color that everybody thinks of when they think about the skin tone of minifigures is yellow. And so what is the LEGO official position here, Wyatt? What do they say on their own behalf about how they see or don't see color? LEGO at one time explained on its website, we chose yellow to avoid assigning a specific ethnicity
Starting point is 00:07:29 in sets that don't include any specific characters. With this neutral color, fans can assign their own individual roles to Lego minifigures. Lego has since removed this from their website, presumably because they didn't want a bunch of questions. I mean, the Simpsons kind of tried this, I suppose. I feel like for the Simpsons, when they did it, they did it because they said the color yellow popped more.
Starting point is 00:07:57 And so they thought visually, if you're watching television and you see yellow, it'll catch your attention. But the Simpsons never tried to pretend that yellow wasn't white. There are episodes where Homer describes himself as a white guy. It's awful being a kid. No one listens to you. It's rotten being old.
Starting point is 00:08:22 No one listens to you. I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to you. It's rotten being old. No one listens to you. I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me, no matter how dumb my suggestions are. There are characters, whether it's Carl or Dr. Hibbert. Dr. Hibbert, right? They are black. They always walked in with this idea that yellow, we're just using yellow from a visual standpoint to get attention, not as some substitute for race.
Starting point is 00:08:51 And one of the things, according to Lego, that they do talk about is that part of why they chose yellow was somewhat inspired by Pac-Man and the success of Pac-Man, which then begs the question, is Pac-Man supposed to be a white guy? Because it does seem like he spent a lot of time killing a multicultural band of ghosts. I think, why is he going after all these ghosts of color? And he's locking them up. Pac-Man and Policeman, they got a lot of the same letters. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:09:28 And so they chose yellow. Now there's a weird aspect of that in that there are some people who, for which yellow has often been used as a derogatory descriptor. I was going to say. And what's weird is Lego does have, like they do Chinese New Year play sets where they have yellow mini figures. I know that you're not saying that this is racially coded,
Starting point is 00:09:53 but it is Chinese New Year and you've now got little yellow people celebrating Chinese New Year. Is there anybody, anybody at LEGO that's like, you're sure you want to do that? So this raises the question of where, where, where did LEGOs come from? It's a Danish company. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:17 So it is in its own way, a bit of a monoculture and it's a Danish company, but there's an interesting thing about the timing of when they created the minifigure. They created the minifigure in the late seventies. And at the same time, culturally in Denmark, they decided to open their borders for the first time and take in refugees from Laos, Cambodia. And they pushed some of the most progressive legislation at the time for immigration after never having done it
Starting point is 00:10:56 before. And so it does seem like, oh, there's something in the water at the time in Denmark. How do we be a more inclusive society? It's strange, though, that at that time it Denmark, how do we be a more inclusive society? It's strange though that at that time it is, okay, we want to make this inclusive minifigure. Also we're taking in a bunch of Asian people into our country. What's the most race neutral minifigure color we could come up with? Blue?
Starting point is 00:11:24 No, not blue. Something that doesn't feel like it is tipping our hand in terms of how we understand or totally don't understand race. Let's go with... Yellow, yes, yes. That's a great idea. That's a great, yep, yup, yup, we're in.
Starting point is 00:12:00 And so the first sets that LEGO manufactures early on, before it became this sprawling universe, what are the first sorts of LEGO sets that you could get? So, with Minifigures, they had three worlds. There was space, city, and medieval. And so, space, you had rocket ships and astronauts, and it was less about conquering space and way more about exploring. And then in city, again, it was, okay, let's figure out how a city works.
Starting point is 00:12:31 You need a hospital, you need a fire department. Yep. A bunch of socialized institutions. Yeah. Like the Danish were presenting. Exactly. It was all, it was just all the things of how a city runs. And then they had the medieval world,
Starting point is 00:12:45 where you had castles and knights. These are based on European castles. And so there, even though you are saying there is no race, it's very clearly a white man's castle. So the question of how LEGO is going to start to simulate the real world raises questions that are immediately obvious when you look into the unblinking smiling faces, these yellow faces, and you're like,
Starting point is 00:13:12 oh, but they got hairstyles though. Yes, yeah. And when they started, they had two. And one was very much that Sam Donaldson, the Republican mold hairstyle with the part down the side. And then the other was kind of pippy long stocking, like pigtails. And so thinking back to when I was a kid, if I wanted to see myself in those Lego minifigures,
Starting point is 00:13:38 more often than not, I would keep a helmet, like a space helmet on or a Knight's helmet on my Lego minifigure and say, oh, that's me in that castle, or that's me in space. Or I would use the black Sam Donaldson hair and approximate that as mine. And just my Lego just had a bad trip
Starting point is 00:14:01 to the barber that week. Let's put a helmet on. And in fact, when it trip to the barber that week, let's put a helmet on. And in fact, when it comes to the default racially neutral depictions, I don't know how many people see themselves in the options available when it comes to the pigtails. Right, yeah, yeah. It's the little girl from Wendy's and Pippi Longstocking.
Starting point is 00:14:24 It's pretty much them. And maybe that one point guard for the Pacers, Nemheart. He's also, he's also got pigtails. Yes. But the pigtails also were just the beginning, because in the decades to come, LEGO would evolve. I remember becoming obsessed with LEGOs in the late 80s and into the 90s when they started airing commercials on television that promised more than just the generic recreations of
Starting point is 00:14:55 space and city, and more and more specific, almost historical reenactments, cinematic reenactments of scenes between people in conflict. They had a wild west world and in that world they introduced indigenous characters as the foil to cowboys. With some of the characters you're actually drawing broad noses on their little minifigure faces, which was the first time that Lego had actually changed a minifigure where they said, let's give it a nose. And the nose to say that like, oh well, that person is other. But, but they're still yellow. They're still yellow. Those were still yellow, yes. But they're trying to, they're trying to begin to signal,
Starting point is 00:15:48 we're gonna, we're gonna do race without ever breaking our commitment to not doing race. If you look at the old commercials for those toys, it's always about protecting the cowboys from the Native Americans. On quest for sacred shield, LEGO braves had come. Red Fox among them. Indian fortress loomed above.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Red Fox grabbed canoe. Dutch falling trees climbed hidden ladder. Sacred shield was his. All new aliens from I go Western. If you look at the pirate world, it's all about plundering the native islanders. The islanders are very kinders. They tied in here.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Oh, a treasure. What's that? Oh no, no! Easy peasy, they haven't caught his head. It's the first time that they depict cleavage. They sexualize the islander characters. They put bones in their hair, which is not a thing that if you look at any sort of images of Polynesian society, that's not a thing from Polynesian society. That's a thing from Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:17:03 That's a thing from The Simpsons. But hold on, key correction here, everybody is yellow. But we're also saying those people are the other. They're not the ones you want to identify with. They are the villains. Yes, there is a caste system of good and evil inside of the racially neutral universe of LEGOs. Yeah, are you with Batlord or are you against Batlord? good and evil inside of the racially neutral universe of LEGOs. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Are you with Batlord or are you against Batlord? All of it just to say that if you're a kid in the 90s, as I was, and you're sort of noticing, okay, wait a minute, like, everyone's yellow, no one's any race, but also clearly they are implying ethnicities. It's interesting that it takes us, I guess, going to space, or more precisely to a galaxy far, far away, for this to really come to a head. LEGO was a successful company for a while,
Starting point is 00:17:57 and then they started to struggle. And in their struggles, they realized to make more money, they would begin licensing with Hollywood, the NBA, other worlds. My name is Derek Johnson. I am the chair and professor in the Communication Arts Department at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. I talked to a couple academics, one who he specifically looks at how things like race impact the ways that companies market themselves. LEGO's first licensing agreement was with Lucasfilm in 1999 for the Star Wars prequels.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Remember when Phantom Menace came out, there were LEGO sets to support that. And then from that, from that licensing, race all of a sudden, not initially, but race starts to now creep into something in a much more tangible way. Because now many figures are not just general roles, right? Like this person's a policeman, this person's a pirate.
Starting point is 00:19:03 They're now trying to be specific characters and specific actors playing those characters. And so that brings with it like all of the racial discourses that come with any popularly recognizable figure. Recognizable characters that all of us know in a different context and And so it presents an even more specific challenge to, how are you simulating a world that I have seen already, that I love, if you're not going to accurately represent that one specific character?
Starting point is 00:19:38 Right. And so the challenge for LEGO was, when they started making those Star Wars sets, they said, okay, we're going to make Phantom Menace sets, but we also recognize that people love the original trilogy. So we'll make sets for that as well. And with those original Star Wars movies, they're making play sets with Han Solo, with Luke Skywalker, with Princess Leia.
Starting point is 00:19:59 And for each of those characters, they were yellow minifigures. And for four years, and I want to say almost 50 play sets, it takes that long before they say, oh, maybe we should make a Lando Calrissian. Like, if you went on the street and just asked people, name me 10 Star Wars characters. I would say for most people Lando Calrissian,
Starting point is 00:20:29 he would be somewhere between four and seven of the characters you name in that top 10 list. Right, right, right. Somewhere around the Chewbacca and Yoda echelon, he is at least like second team all Star Wars. Yes. At least. How conspicuous was it that they weren't making Lando?
Starting point is 00:20:50 It was really conspicuous because they were making other random characters. They made a Lego minifigure for a character named Dak Ralter. Not cracking my top 100. I don't even know what the f*** that guy is. No. Dak Ralter was in Star Wars for like two seconds. He gets crushed by an AT-AT. And he gets a playset. He had one line in a Star Wars movie,
Starting point is 00:21:19 just kind of like, hey, what's up, Luke? And they said, yeah, you deserve a minifigure. So very clearly, they are struggling with something like, hey, what's up, Luke? And they said, yeah, you deserve a minifigure. So very clearly, they are struggling with something where they know, yeah, we've got to make all these figures. I got my Lego Millennium Falcon. I got, you know, I got Lego Luke. I got Lego Han.
Starting point is 00:21:39 I got Lego Chewbacca. Right, I'm building a Lego Cloud City. Yeah. And they say, hey, where is Lando Calrissian? So we're now in the era of Lego capitalism, where IP is now a big part of their business. They're seeing it, they're tasting it, and Star Wars has been very profitable for them. And the problem is there's no Lando. And so Lando is a weird guy to keep on the bench.
Starting point is 00:22:19 But when he arrives, the whole idea is there are many ways to depict Lando as yellow, right? Like, if you're keeping the Lego logic, you could give him what? What would you do to have a Lego Lando? I mean, I think first off, you give him that outfit that he had. You give him his cape and his kind of bright blue, you know, blousey shirt and black pants. And that very much is, oh, that's Lando's outfit. You have the mustache, you have the hair. There are ways to depict him by his costuming.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Right, they put a bone in the Islander character's hair, and they were yellow. Yeah, exactly. And so what happens? What does LEGO decide to do, finally? It feels like for LEGO, that's the bridge too far. Exactly. And so, what happens? What does LEGO decide to do, finally? It feels like for LEGO, that's the bridge too far. That their brains can't say, well, we could just put costuming on Lando and that'll be
Starting point is 00:23:13 enough. Now, they say, well, Lando's the black one. That's very clearly how they see him. Not the caped one. Not the cool satin shirt one. He's very clearly the black one, so we gotta make a black Lego. And to do that, it's like, well, it does not compute if we try to make a Billy Dee Williams minifigure, who is yellow the same way as Lou Skywalker, right? Billy Dee Williams was
Starting point is 00:23:46 a former blaxploitation star, right? Like, you know, there are just ways in which, you know, our bodies are legible through race and you can't make Billy Dee Williams without blackness. So for the first time in a licensed media set, Lego releases the Lando Calrissian figure in a color they call reddish brown instead of yellow for the face. And then that opens the door that they say, well we have to go back and reintroduce more races. We have to make Nugget and Light Nugget, and Reddish Brown, and they go back and they make all of those characters raced. Han Solo, Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker,
Starting point is 00:24:34 they re-released those sets, and now those characters have white skin. There is this whole world that they've now created. Right, where Lando Calrissian has integrated Legoland. Yes, he is the Jackie Robinson of Legoland. It also means, oh, those NBA playsets we were doing. We don't just have to have generic NBA players. Now, because we have this NBA licensing deal,
Starting point is 00:25:03 we have name, image, and likeness for Shaquille O'Neal. Right. For Vince Carter, for Dirk Nowitzki. For Jerry Stackhouse. Yes. And so now we don't just, we don't have to costume a generic Lego minifigure and say, this is Shaquille O'Neal because we've written O'Neal on the back and put
Starting point is 00:25:26 a 34 on his jersey. And the implications of this are of course massive because it's finally saying that if Lando is black or nougat of some variation, reddish brown, reddish brown, what then does yellow actually signify? Seems to signify whiteness. It seems to signify that yellow has been white the whole time because Lando has to break the color barrier, the literal yellow color barrier. And so, even though they started making Star Wars sets in 1999, it's not until around August 10th, 2003 that the Lando minifigure is introduced and sold to people.
Starting point is 00:26:12 And on some level you would think, okay, well, at LEGO Land, August 10th ought to be a holiday. That is a day that we should mark as, you know, a celebration. Is history. On August 10th, I feel like any person of color should be able to walk into a Lego land or a Lego store and say, everything's free for me today, right? Is Lando Day. But in terms of the entity that had been doing all the ignoring, what does Lego, the corporation,
Starting point is 00:26:42 say when confronted with the reality now that the mask is off? Like the entire time now we know what's really been happening here. So with that in mind, August 10th won't be a holiday in Lego land because Lego decides to sort of split the world. And they say, okay, Lando is black, but you know what? Lando's in the licensed world. They're resegregating Lego land. Yes. And so now they've resegregated it as the licensed world and the non-licensed true Lego world. And so race exists in this licensed world where you have Star Wars, Marvel, the NBA, you can have race there. You can have a reddish brown Lando. You can also have Lego
Starting point is 00:27:38 Batman be light nugget. Those things can exist in that world, but they, the streams will never cross where race exists in the LEGO world. Where this all comes back though and creates a problem is when you look at the LEGO movie where you have both a black Vitruvius who seems to be of the LEGO world. Right, this is the Morgan Freeman voice character that started your whole odyssey. This whole odyssey. You also have LEGO Batman, who is Light Nugget,
Starting point is 00:28:15 who has infiltrated this world, but LEGO has said these two worlds should be separate, that if you're playing with LEGO space toys, LEGO Star Wars doesn't belong in LEGO space. Right. That there are no lightsabers in LEGO space world. LEGO Game of Thrones world shouldn't interact with LEGO Castle world.
Starting point is 00:28:36 These two things shouldn't interact. The LEGO Seinfeld playset shouldn't belong in LEGO City world. There's actually a LEGO Seinfeld playset? There is a LEGO Seinfeld playset shouldn't belong in Lego City World. There's actually a Lego Seinfeld playset? There is a Lego Seinfeld playset. And a Lego Friends playset. I imagine that Lego Kramer has many complicated thoughts about all of these matters. It was so much easier for Lego Kramer when everybody was yellow.
Starting point is 00:28:57 But this speaks to the way in which the internal logic, which is so crucial to LEGO as an educational company that wants to create a utopia for kids to embody. It speaks to how difficult that utopia is to maintain when in reality, everyone's playing with all sorts of LEGOs all the time and they're combining it. Right. Yes. playing with all sorts of Legos all the time and they're combining it. Right, yes. Yeah, and that's the problem is you can say you want a race neutral toy. You can present an idea of a race neutral society.
Starting point is 00:29:35 You have your own challenges of how do you present that in a world where race and ethnicity are so sort of just where race and ethnicity are so sort of just tattooed on all of us in so many ways. But where you have a larger problem is once the toy is out of your factory and on a shelf and then in someone's hands and in someone's house, you don't control that anymore. There are these huge conventions around the world,
Starting point is 00:30:05 like BrickFair and BrickWorld, where they build all sorts of things. People build cityscapes that are huge. They build spaceships. They build whatever they want to build. And they are saying, oh, I'm taking these Legos, and I'm going to build what's interesting to me. Right.
Starting point is 00:30:25 I'm going to introduce what I like into Legoland. Yes. And one thing that gets introduced into Legoland a lot is the Civil War. And war in general. How popular is the Civil War when it comes to how people are using licensed and I guess standard variation Legos? It's real popular. It's very very popular. You can find people making like 10-15 foot long recreations
Starting point is 00:31:01 of Civil War battles with the North and the South and occasionally a slave, and they make these giant builds. This is the Battle of Fredericksburg from December 1862. We chose this battle. It's one of our favorites from the movie Gods and Generals, but also because of the distinctive geographic features, everything's identifiable. And there's a good flow to it, with the Union advance toward the Confederate defenses. We have a map from an American heritage book that I grew up with. And then we have scenes from the movie,
Starting point is 00:31:37 Gods and Generals throughout the town and on the battlefield. So we combined the two. So we've got history with a little bit of the movie version. And a lot of them weirdly, it's battles where the South wins. So what was the ultimate culmination of the battle? How did it end? It ended in a Confederate victory. And there are just like lots of these builds.
Starting point is 00:32:01 Lots of these builds. Like it's not just one battle of Fredericksburg. No. It's like multiple variations and something that's curious Wyatt that sort of hammers home what you've been observing this whole time is that the soldiers in the army are yellow. Yeah. I was always particularly interested in the battle for the Burnside Bridge, which is depicted in this layout. By the time the event's taking place right now in the field, it's later in the afternoon, and there was only about 400 Confederates defending the bridge. You can find a Lando head and put him in the field. There are a bunch of noogets in the field.
Starting point is 00:32:41 And it goes beyond that. And here's the weird part of it is that bunch of noogets in the field. And it goes beyond that. And here's the weird part of it is that LEGO, these are not LEGO sanctioned builds, but because LEGO is appreciative of these adult fans, they allow a secondary market to thrive. Welcome back to a Brick Mania review, actually kind of an overview, but we're going to be taking a look at the brand new Brick Mania Civil War minifigure line. Brick Arms, their whole thing is just building Lego military uniforms and weapons for people to do these custom builds. And so here we go, the Iron Brigade officer and Iron Brigade rifleman.
Starting point is 00:33:28 And Dave, do you want to talk a little bit about the Iron Brigade? Yeah, the Iron Brigade is one of the most distinctive brigades in probably actually the history of American military. And so they have Lego builds where it's not just a civil war. It's a lot of wars where race is a thing.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Tried to make a little 30 by 60 display that could embody as much of the Vietnam War as we could possibly fit in that space. Then we have the sort of the Vietnamese village. So we have some of the, I guess, the villagers, you know hiding the the Vietcong troops the gorillas are like actually going in through the floor in one of the buildings into the underground tunnels where the the military guys are all hiding style the weapons are stashed of course we have Rambo hiding underneath you can rebuild Lego Desert Storm and you can have US Lego troops fighting Lego terrorists. What you're looking at here is a rendition
Starting point is 00:34:34 of the 1991 Gulf War. And this is a model of an air base in Saudi Arabia where the A-10 warthogs operated out of. And you've got several different warthogs on the flight line in different various positions preparing to take off. And there's a whole market there that LEGO is just ignoring and saying we won't provide it, but we also won't stop it. Right, we won't stop you if you want to build, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:35:03 a LEGO Capitol building to be stormed on January 6th. But also they did build a Lego Capitol building, that they did build. They did build, and one of the guys who did storm the Capitol actually was found like in his home when they discovered, you know, plans and other things about storming the Capitol,
Starting point is 00:35:26 they also found a fully built Lego Capitol playset. Because of course they did. Officers recovered a fully constructed US Capitol Lego set, according to court documents obtained by the website, The Smoking Gun. Because he needed a model to say, okay, well, we go in here and we do this and that. Now there were no minifigures, which I'm sure if he could have, maybe there would have been a minifigure sitting at Nancy Pelosi's desk.
Starting point is 00:35:57 But there was not, they didn't do that. Yeah. There was, like in real life, minifigure Mike Pence was nowhere to be found. Yeah, no, he wasn't being shuttled to safety. That is the weird thing about this world is, again, when it gets to the adults and the adults are doing these builds, they're also saying both why they love Lego, but what's important to them. Yes. And that feels like if you're Lego,
Starting point is 00:36:29 it's worth self-reflection because this educational toy that you've created is an educational toy that people are using to say, hey, we should talk about how the South should have won. Right, if the promise of Lego has always been from the very beginning, as we said at the start, that they're more than just a toy company, and in fact, they are the number one toy company and maybe the number one educational company. What happens if you've given everybody the tools, literally,
Starting point is 00:37:00 to build not a utopia, but the opposite? Right. Yeah. To build a war world. You see that war is something that can make you more money. And so what... And conflict makes you more money. And so even in the sanctioned LEGO world, if you go and you look at what is being sold in LEGO City, it's a lot of police s***. It's more police s*** than LEGO. There's not a LEGO school, but there are. LEGO public school system isn't a hot seller?
Starting point is 00:37:33 No, but LEGO police state is. And where that then even goes further is they have yellow LEGO good guys and yellow LEGO bad guys. Policing then has now entered into the space world. And there is Lego space police. And Lego was making good guys and then they had to make villains. And the villains were all aliens. And so they were all sort of bug-eyed weird looking aliens.
Starting point is 00:38:04 And one of the aliens they made again where this becomes a challenge they made a place that that was the lunar limo and the Lego Space Police are going after what looks to be a pimp. It very much feels like if these aliens had been watching Earth's society, clearly they watched a lot of blaxploitation movies and they decided a bunch of space pimps were going to try to commit crimes on Earth and the space police are there to stop them. In other words, real subtle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:59 A real subtle build. Yes. Yeah. Yes, yeah. So this brings us back around towards the end here to the object you brought us that is now sitting on this table. Yes. Because it is not merely a table foosball set that Lego has manufactured. It also seems to be the key to diversifying any given build that you may want to create.
Starting point is 00:39:35 Whether that is the Capitol building or a Civil War reenactment or an NBA arena. Yeah. So this foosball set, it's not a licensed product. It is part of LEGO land. It was created in something called LEGO Ideas, which LEGO Ideas is something that they've done,
Starting point is 00:39:59 again, to try to engage with mostly that adult fan of LEGO audience, where LEGO fans can suggest builds, and if they get enough votes, LEGO will build it. But the weird thing about it is all of the players on this foosball set, they're all LEGO people, they're all minifigures, but none of them are yellow. They are different ethnicities. There is light nugget, there's reddish brown, there's even one Lego minifigure that has vitiligo. What's fascinating to me about this
Starting point is 00:40:38 set is you have, and I'm going to flip it over onto the back here So with this set you've been given 20 minifigure bodies 10 for a blue team 10 for a red team, but you've been given also 44 different heads of different shades right of Nugget of light nugget of reddish brown of light nugget, of reddish brown, of all their different colors. And to me, again, if you want to create a world
Starting point is 00:41:10 where people can see themselves, this seems like the key to doing it. So it feels like to me, I'm like, well, with LEGO, yeah, what would it take to just phase out the yellow minifigure? Can LEGO finally admit that what they tried to build, this utopia of racial blindness through the color yellow, was actually unsustainable from the start? Right. And that it's okay to acknowledge it and to try to evolve forward.
Starting point is 00:41:36 And this playset seems like an evolution with the times, but it's just this playset. Right. Right. Which feels, Wyatt, at the very end here, like it's now incumbent upon us to open this box and actually build the change that we want to see in the world. I'm with that. Let's see if we can find a Lego Wyatt and a Lego Pablo and... And not have them commit atrocities on behalf of the military industrial complex. No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Let's, we can have them join Lego City World and they can lead a demonstration against an over policed state. And for more of Wyatt Sinak's odyssey through the racial politics of Legoland, because there is even more, you should know that he originally reported this story in conjunction with the good people over at Pineapple Street Media. You can find the full episode they produced together over on Wyatt's website, which is WyattSinac.com. I highly recommend all of that. But for now, Victor Wembanyama is not the only person in sports who is building a Lego
Starting point is 00:42:54 set to achieve their dreams. If you are not watching on YouTube or the DraftKings Network, it is now time for Why Did I to go build this foosball table. And ourselves.

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