The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Share & Party & Tell with Mina Kimes, Katie Nolan and Patricia Mahomes

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Is TikTok the one social-media platform that makes you feel good, or is it an algorithmic wasteland of culturally insignificant content? Are we partying hard enough? And was the pre-Taylor Swift version of Travis Kelce actually hot? Plus: second-person IG love letters to your child, a boombox-holding panda/dog... and the tragic end of Party City. Further content: Americans Need to Party More (Ellen Cushing) https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2025/01/throw-more-parties-loneliness/681203/ Subscribe to "Casuals with Katie Nolan" https://www.youtube.com/katienolan Subscribe to "The Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny" https://www.youtube.com/@minakimes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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kids. Let's get that out of the way. How's Nino? How's Nino doing? What are his measurables? Huge still. I keep waiting for him to get smaller and it's not happening. In fact, our latest weigh-in, he actually went up to 93rd percentile.

What are you feeding him? What's he like into food wise these days? He's into everything, which is great, but he eats really what we eat. But I am not trying to be cocky about it because I have heard too many horror stories of, and you can weigh in here obviously, kids, babies who were like, parents who were like, oh, our child loves like, you know, Sichuan food and like escargot and then all of a sudden they turn two and they only want chicken fingers. So I am not overconfident.

I am, I'm enjoying this period where we can take to restaurants while it lasts, pardon me, but I have no compunctions about it going on forever. Yeah, like Violet loves grilled cheese. Like that's a 99% success rate. But also sometimes you just won't wanna eat it. There's one thing I have noticed with our kid. He just likes food when it's better.

He vastly prefers restaurant food. We take him to a restaurant, he eats everything. And then when we're home and Nick makes him something in the moment, like grills some salmon, he will eat it. When we are in a hurry and we'll reheat stuff, like frozen meatballs he'll like be like, mm, mm, nah, nah. Which is funny because like that, I guess that means he's like an adult, right? Well, it's the opposite of like the typical

child psychology thing of like, they like playing with the cardboard box more than they like what's in it. Like Nino has fancy tastes. Nino is ordering like from the bottom of the menu up. He's looking at the prices. If I want to be clear here, I do not believe my child has a uniquely sophisticated palette. I think, yeah, like, have you're like, so how do we feel about, while we're on this

topic, when people do like IG posts about their child, but like long like, like, dear Cassandra, you're four today. I can't, I can't handle it. You love early Miles Davis and grilled cheese, but only with Gruyere. And I feel like, why are you trying to make your child sound like sophisticated? Right? Honestly, any Instagram post that's in like the second person, I'm out. It's a thing, right? You'll do it.

Yeah, it's like you're a Civil War general writing to... I may be full disclosure, I may be related to some people who do this and I can't. I definitely have a few in my life. I'm nervous about putting this out there into the universe. Yeah, everyone's like compiling like a beautifully like intentionally crafted and tattered scrapbook. Oh, hello. My main objection is just the con like the positioning of your it's like making your dating profile and I'm sorry for the child we're trying to make them sound more interesting

than they really are like if there was honest it like, dear Nino, like you love shitting on everything. You are passionate about loud noises, right? Like you're not like... Yes, dear Violet. You like bright neon colors. Dear Violet, you never wipe your hands after you eat. And you like drying those same hands on our leather sofa, which your father admits was a terrible investment in retrospect, given your personal disrespect for it.

Hey, how's everybody doing? I'm dressed like Parappa the Rappa today. I came in with a hat on too. I was going to say, you do look like a boombox holding panda. Is that what Parappa was? Sometimes I feel something like that. Sometimes I just feel like this is right and then you leave the house and you're like, it was wrong. I was gonna say, you do look like a boombox holding panda. Is that what Parappa was? Sometimes I feel something like that. Sometimes I just feel like this is right and then you leave the house and you're like,

it was wrong. But here we are. You look like you make YouTube videos for children right now. And I pretty much, don't we all? Parappa was a dog, I'm informed. But with black ears and white, it was white and black. Yeah, had like a winter beanie. Which is what completed the outfit.

I did take it off before it got on camera though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were talking about our kids. Don't watch any of this. Yeah, but we're done now. We promise. Did you watch Miss Rachel? Is that what we were chatting about?

Everybody loves Miss Rachel. Miss Rachel? I'm not familiar with Miss Rachel. She's like a big... Pablo. What? Yeah, what are you talking about? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Miss Rachel. This is the cinematic, the Sesame Street cinematic universe. Wait, Katie, there's a guy in Miss Rachel's crew who looks exactly like Pablo. Show her the guy. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Show her the guy.

He's a Filipino guy. Okay, so whenever Mina says this guy looks like you, I start off offended and then begrudgingly admit that she's right. Right. So I'm going to Google Miss Rachel Filipino guy. It's gonna come up immediately. Let me see. Show me to me Rachel.

If I grew like a... I mean hot Pablo. We gotta stop doing that. That's hot Pablo. We gotta stop inventing hotter me's. We gotta stop labeling... I'll tell people to stop... The Gary Streisky's of the world.

The only person I've banned from this program for being hobbling. Hobble. Yeah. Hobble. I regret this episode already. No, you don't. I have missed this. Yeah.

We haven't done this since the pandemic. The three of us? I think so. I mean, certainly on this show, I think we've certainly like seen each other in life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. In which, again, we talk about our kids and then you show up late and we pivot to what we're doing.

Because I like to miss that part. It's on purpose. It's by design. It's like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be In which, again, we talk about our kids and then you show up late and we pivot to what we're doing. Because I like to miss that part. It's on purpose.

It's by design. Get that sh** out of the way. Should we start with a very visual game or do you want to get into some of the stories that I think we're all legitimately into? It's your show, babe. I'm the host. I just did mine. We're in the same outfit.

Oh, that's right. Hello, hello, Katie Mullen, host of Casuals, a new podcast for all of us to like and subscribe. Not on YouTube yet, everybody's very mad about. I have not been invited, I've merely just been waiting. Mina's booked. Awkward because I'm booked. Mina's booked. I'm booked and un unbusy. Oh shoot. I'll make sure that we fix that. Well, that's now very sad Katie what did you bring us? I brought an article from the Atlantic because I'm fancy. I'm a fancy lady who reads the Atlantic. It's about how we're not partying enough. Basically, you know, a conversation we've been having a lot is about how we people don't

have friends or we're not seeing each other ever since the pandemic or all these other various cultural factors are affecting how often we're seeing and interacting with our social circles and this piggybacks off of that and Says that America is in a party deficit They cite the fact that Party City is closing place where you get Which is a which is a massive story. Oh, no, it's a massive your... Which is a massive story. How is that a piece of evidence? Oh no, it's a massive story. It's a massive story.

In fact, can I just explain how massive this story is? Because I was looking for the news coverage of Party City's demise, and we did find this. It appears the party is over for Party City. Party is over for one business that specializes in just that, parties. The party's over for Party City. Party is over for one business that specializes in just that, parties.

The party's over for Party City. The party's over for a popular supply store. And we have breaking news. The party's over for retailer Party City. The company told corporate employees on a call today the business would be winding down operations immediately after nearly 40 years, and today would be their last day at work The largest supplier of mylar balloons disposable plates other things that we need streamers Done done after 40 years the party you could say Is over. Okay. So I think this article is interesting. I will say the party city as closing as I know party It's like it who is ever thrown an adult party and gone to party city I would say the Party City as closing as ever. I know. Party.

Who has ever thrown an adult party and gone to Party City? It's honestly purely the Provence of Children's events and desperate money costumes. Yeah, it's like goodie bags. It's where you go to get all the little stuff to put in a bag that nobody's going to want. How dare both of you? Yeah, we did though. I don't know where you get balloons anymore Only four point one percent of Americans attended or hosted a social event on an average weekend or holiday in 2023 This is a thirty five percent decrease since twenty since 2004. I

Mean look there are a lot of there are a lot of articles now where it's like did you know that only one point seven percent of Americans have smiled this year where it's like did you know that only 1.7 percent of Americans have smiled this year and it's like people stop smiling, but this is an article that resonates because The whole notion of people throwing parties for each other has like objectively declined It's happening less and less and we are Mina you are headed to The party capital of the sports world very soon. Yeah Super Bowl week is a big big party week for me I am definitely bringing down that average because I don't go to many parties anymore I don't think you guys speak to your own experiences outside of children's parties which are beginning to happen which is a whole

separate thing. Children's parties though I gotta say and probably you could speak to this more they're really adult parties because I guess in LA is such everybody now has to go to every party okay that's different so when we were kids it was like ooh like a big like who's invited you gotta invite all the kids now everybody's got to go to every party. Everybody gets a trophy. Yeah. Which means every weekend, you just see the same parents and you sit around drinking beers

at like 3 p.m. watching your children just like rip each other apart. And I got to say, I love it. My husband and I were talking about this. We're like, this is the dream. We're just sitting around making small talk with like a set designer from Pasadena, having some, you know, hard seltzers, eating their home state tacos. I love it. But the Super Bowl thing is a big deal for me because I don't go to like late night drinking type parties,

except for like three times a year at the Super Bowl, the Combine, and the Draft, which are unfortunately in succession. So it's like a very intense, it's like the closest thing in my life to like those Alabama sorority rush weeks where by the end my liver is like, bleh, because I'm so unused to partying that hard. My philosophy on the children's birthday party,

first of all, either you gotta make it under an hour or like an hour or less or it needs to be equipped for parents to just hang out and talk. And I am so appreciative for these like, what do you call them? Like these like bouncy floored like, oh you can have the kids just like run around like tornadoes and s***. And then we're done. Yeah and then we're done. But the thing about like the party as an institution is that it seems like

Even the young people are wondering there was again the anecdotal evidence here six months ago on reddit Someone asked one of the quote saddest questions anyone ever seen on the social platform which was quote Did anybody else think there would be more parties? platform, which was, quote, did anybody else think there would be more parties? Oh, and quote. And the way we grew up and the movies we see. Yeah, I feel like that's that's it feels like that is not happening in the way that the TV shows had promised us. Yeah, like I feel like in my ideal world, it's in a lot of ways, it isn't like this.

But it's like Mad Men, you know,, that party he throws where they've got that like, remember in that era, the like sunken in living rooms that have like the little step down and everybody just has a cocktail. Yeah, and it's just like sitting and chat. That's my dream is if socializing meant everybody just came to my house and we just sat around and like watched and talked and mingled. But I also just feel like, and maybe this informs what's happening, or maybe this is just my mental illness,

but I feel like inviting somebody over, especially in New York City, is a cop-out by me. I feel like it's me being like, you want to come to my house? It's like, no, of course they don't. They're in New York City. They want to go out to a bar or a restaurant or a... And I'm like, you want they just come over to my house.

A hundred and a bar? And like sit around and watch like sports and control the volume ourselves and like order some food and hang out. But that feels like an... I don't know, that feels like a cheap... It's like, get up. Get dressed. Leave, Katie. Get out of the house. But I would love if people... I'd throw a party every week. If you guys would come over. I would come over. I love house parties.

So, okay, so the house party, I should say, because I grew up in New York. You've never really had. Not a f***ing thing. Yeah. Like not a real thing. So much about New York apartments that they're too small to have people over. Yeah.

And so my view of like the house party really was just like when I got to college, I got a sense of like, oh, it's what this is what that's like. But I never actually experienced or hosted anything or attended anything like that. Never, never. No one's parents were back in the driveway and we had to rush to... There were no driveways. There were no driveways. There were no driveways.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I grew up in a major house party, high school culture, not that I was invited to many of them. You have to throw them. Your parents have to go away, you have to throw them and then everyone shows up and they still don't talk to you. That's my experience.

So, speaking of that, they're just there for the house. Once, one weekend, when I went to Washington DC to be a presidential scholar, my parents went with me. And my brother famously threw the biggest house party our town had ever seen at our house. And it was like the kind of house party that people talk about for years, like da da da. And he, so my brother was a lot cooler than me, he took photos of everything in the house, he hired professional cleaners.

So we come home and it's like nothing has happened. So my parents come home from this like nerd thing I went to with me and we're walking through the house and my mom, she's just like, something's off. And she noticed like the, tiniest difference, something had been moved and my brother cracked immediately when she called him out on it. I recently did wonder while I was just unable to sleep one night recently, like could I recreate

my entire living room from memory? No. I could not. No. I could not. No, my memories are shit. Oh, so the point, my point was, partying. We need to do it more.

Well, that's the takeaway from this article, is that like if we all threw two parties a year, that's the action item, America would be in a better place. Yeah. Lucky for you, my birthday is next week. So get started. Are you going to have a party? I don't think so. I don't know.

I, um, look, I haven't worked in a while and I'm working a bunch now So I'm like, I don't know if we're gonna have a party. It's just gonna have to happen to me I'm not gonna be I haven't put any thought into it. But uh, I Do throw myself a birthday party every year. You should everybody should I think it's like an excuse to bring the front your friends Even if they're not all friends with each other necessarily It's like a this is this is my favorite part about adult parties. If I'm the organizer is watching people from different worlds speak to each other. And like, yeah, I enjoy that.

Are you renting like a venue? I have in the past. I'll get like a room at a bar or... But we do house parties for me. A couple years ago, before I got pregnant, rager. Absolute rager. I've never been to a party at... I was at a wedding recently with Mina and she got hammered. Nice. I love that. Irrelevant story.

It's entirely relevant. It's not relevant. It's not what topic where it is relevant. No, it's not because it's not... It wasn't really a party. It was not relevant. It's not relevant. It's not relevant. It's not relevant. It's not relevant. It's not relevant. It's not relevant. It's not relevant.

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No, no. If anything, I am incredibly nice and overly complimentary. No, that's not how I sound. They're trying to go too deep. They're trying to do too deep feelings. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What? That's a horrible impression, first of all. Secondly, if anything, I was like, Pablo, you're doing great. Everything's great.

Pablo, we don't say it enough, but I really do love you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud. I'm sure it was closer to that. There was a lot of slurred positive reinforcement now that I think about it. That's great. That's ideal. People would pay for that for me Nikon.

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only available with TurboTax live full service real time updates only on iOS mobile app. See guaranteed details at TurboTax.com slash guarantees. Mina, what did you bring us clear-headedly to discuss today? So it's not one story. It's obviously just more like a broader news story that's being written about a great deal. But I am curious to hear you guys' thoughts on the TikTok ban. Which as of this recording, TikTok is available because the president of the United States signed an executive order basically delaying the band, pardon me. It's unclear to me even after reading about 20 articles, what is legal and what's not

in terms of whether or not he can actually stop it because this was something that Congress passed a law, the Supreme Court. By the way, like just to, for folks who haven't followed, I guess I should lay out the reason why Congress did so is this belief that a foreign government shouldn't control like a major US media outlet. It's less about actually propaganda and more about their ability to collect information and you can collect a whole lot of information on people based on TikTok usage. And the crazy thing that happened too is like we live in a world in which Congress doesn't agree on anything. The Supreme Court doesn't agree on anything. It was like unanimous, right? So both sides

of the aisle were like, yeah, this seems bad. The Supreme Court was like, yes, it's probably a bad idea. So just that's the back story for people to know. Oh, but it was Trump's idea originally. Was it not? Was he not the first person who came out? When he was the 45th president and then 47, very much in disagreement. Now he saved it. Yeah. Well, and so now he likes it because and he's asked about it. He likes it because he's like, young people love it.

And I'm popular on there. A reporter asked him at a press conference why did you change your mind about tiktok and trump's quote was because i got to use it and remember tiktok is largely about kids young kids if china's going to get information about young kids i don't think to be honest i think I think we have bigger problems than that. We do have bigger problems. I agree with that part. I mean, not wrong, not wrong. Also incoherent. Well, that, for me, that was kind of like, in some ways, my experience of this story

over the last week was, I was a little, first I was a little bit put off. I'm like put off by the fact this was like the biggest story in America on a moment when things that I felt were much more significant were happening, other executive orders, other things. But you know, I think as I've kind of read more or not read more, but thought more about it, I do think setting aside the legality aspect of it, I would like to hear your guys' thoughts on, I don't know, whether you think it's like a bad or a good thing, I guess, if it goes away. Katie. Yeah, I'm I don't use this.

You know, among us are clearly the most power user. And I have like I have like nine thousand like disparate thoughts on it that like don't all. So number one, I think a lot of the narrative about TikTok is, like, it's just stupid dances. And I feel like we are glossing over a lot of the value that TikTok provides. Like, I feel like people were very, oh, I don't use TikTok. I'm not a child. I'm not dancing on the Internet. And it's like, well, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people who like run businesses on TikTok. There's a lot of like interesting commentary on TikTok,

musicians that you would never have heard of that you know now because of TikTok. Like it's, it is what it is. It's a social media app. It is a center for brain rot, but it is also like it's, it has, it's, let's not like, paint it with a broad brush and say that it's a social media app, it is a center for brain rot, but it is also like, it has, let's not paint it with a broad brush and say that it's just like garbage. Like it's, they all are then in that case.

Do you agree that TikTok and its popularity is rooted in this branding that it's the one social media app where you actually tend to feel good? Like that seems to be, it's joyous, it's fun. I think the comment sections in my experience tend kinder. I think when they are mean, they can be very mean. But I do think my first reaction when I was first started scrolling through TikTok was that like, whoa, the comments are like

hyping this person up instead of bullying them. I will also say it's a place where like I know that the government's issue with it mainly as you said Mina wasn't the propaganda aspect of it but it is a place where you can hop on and share your opinion and it's possible your opinion is being influenced by these opinions that are being put out there by people that have nefarious means or like it is, you can see how it could be used as any media could be used to spread propaganda effectively. Right, so like part of my understanding was

that TikTok in America was very different from TikTok in China and that we got the version that is far more brain rotting than the one in China and that to your point about like, is it corrupting its users' health in some way? I can see the argument there, that made sense. When it comes to like, privacy though, which is another big plank in this sort of argument, it just feels like nobody cares. Like, as much as it is on paper a really important priority Nobody cares Yeah, I think kids were born into a world where that's everything

They just watched an inauguration where the owners of all of the social media were with the president including the tick tock CEO Right and you're like, okay So the government's always got my data kids care so little that when they got rid of tick-tock for a few hours They downloaded an app officially owned by the government of China to replace it. But Mina, the whole thing about kids, it's also adults who just, I think, are like, we are so far gone. Yeah, we're not losing sleep over this.

And so who's actually fighting for the banning of this thing other than people who are worried about the Chinese government from a governmental, political perspective? Well, that's the other side of it. So yeah, I think most of the legal case seems to be about the kind of data collection side. But the other side is like, you know, the Chinese government is involved in these things and they have influence over their companies. And there's been a lot of studies about whether or not that's affected the actual content put out on TikTok. And I found a

lot of it to be pretty convincing and credible, by the way. I guess for me, to go back to kind of what Katie said about like, just setting aside, again, the data side, let's just kind of cut to like, is this a net good or a net bad? That's kind of what I'm thinking through. And Pablo, you hit on something which is, I think, a point in his favor, which it does seem like a more positive place in a lot of social media. I guess for me, I kind of have two thoughts or two ideas in my head at once. One of which is, I think, Katie, you're right.

There is a lot of actually lovely content on there. I've watched things about parenting and cooking and science and educational things. So it's not a wasteland devoid of culturally significant or enlightening content. It's there, right? But I am still so profoundly uncomfortable with the fact that so many people get not just their news, but how they feel about major events, stories, public figures. Your point is dictated not by facts, but by an algorithm. It's by what's popular.

And that's where I really feel like it's largely a net negative. And that to me kind of outweighs the good things that I'm seeing. Katie, like the whole thing about, we're gonna lose all of this stuff. What would you have missed the most as you were contemplating TikTok being at least temporarily banned? If I'm honest, if I'm completely honest, I think what I would miss the most

is hearing other people's drama. Drama that does not affect me, but that someone else is really fired up about. I would miss that. I would miss getting facetiffed. I've watched a lot of TikToks where I feel like I'm FaceTiming with somebody who I don't know and they're telling me a juicy story. And yeah, sometimes you're like, I don't really care what this is and you scroll away. But there's like something to like an average American TV. It just feels like, and obviously everybody's putting on some, they're presenting some sort of a something, so I'm not saying everyone's being authentically themselves.

Yeah. But it was like, where you hear from just people. Anybody can upload. Anybody can upload and it can get enough traction and can go, like I could just bump into the experiences of regular people scrolling through my phone. So did it feel like that though? Is that part of TikTok's whole thing?

Is that unlike Instagram where it's like tied to your, to some real account, like TikTok was sort of a more open field of video meritocracy? No I think there probably was machinations to it that I don't understand, but if you put up a banger of a video, it's going to get out to more people and more people will see it no matter who you are. So you could be a big account, but like my TikTok algorithm didn't have any of the TikTok influencers that I know of through like people talking about TikTok, but it had like just like Lola Young.

I don't know if anybody knows her. She's a musician that I love from England. I never would have heard her music if I hadn't had TikTok. I found Dochi on TikTok forever ago. Like, that's just like, uh... That's where I like find stuff. The music discovery. Yeah.

But that question being of like, what can you not get elsewhere? Like, what is this doing that the other places that we're all subscribed to in ways that make us think we're all So far gone on privacy that why do we even care anymore? We have so many of these apps like that part like is there a unique argument for what tik tok was able to cultivate? I think katie just made it right which is like the idea of like regular people Surfing a wave and that discovery you would get from seeing someone who either was just very funny and that discovery you would get from seeing someone who either was just very funny, sometimes unintentionally, or maybe had some kind of artistic talent that they never would have found a platform for elsewhere.

And I think that's all true. My problem is sort of that it had become sort of overtaken by, one, the fact that so many people started treating it as a business and are just selling you stuff or just shoveling s***. And the fact that it has replaced a lot of traditional media in functions that I don't think it's capable of or prepared for. But that goes beyond TikTok, of course, Pablo.

That's all of social media as a new source. So I think it still does great things, but it also became everything for people, and I think that's not a good thing. Yeah, I think that it's hard to say that this is uniquely harmful, even if it is maybe uniquely compromised by the government that had sort of cosigned it and exported it to us. But I guess the question is, would you rather have newspapers or this? Newspapers. This is where I would insert that song that you said you were going to find.

I think he's going to play something. Oh, fair enough. Do you want me to play it? You do it great like money Not as fun like fun This is my other favorite thing about TikTok that I will miss when it goes away, which is the universal experience of playing a TikTok you love for everyone else and I'm not quite getting it. You guys are out of your mind. If that's not catchy to you, you're out of your f***ing mind. That's a banger. That song is catchy to you. You're out of your fucking mind. That's a banger.

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What's the way I want to say this? So confused by this game.'s the way I want to say this? What's the way I want to say this? So confused by this game. Show the first photo. Like once a year somebody puts out NFL quarterbacks as women. Right. And then doing it with coaches. It just immediately turns into who's the hottest. Yeah, we're hot or notting the female versions of a variety of men involved in the NFL because

I looked for that list that Mina had referenced. No one had done it. And so we were the change we wanted to see in the NFL. Because I looked for that list that Mina had referenced. No one had done it. And so we were the change we wanted to see in the world. Mandy Reed. Yeah. Andrea Reed. Candy, that's probably Candy Reed. Hmm, I'm not getting a candy vibe.

Well. Does she look friendly to you? Yes. Yes. Yes, she is, she makes those seven layer bars that have the chocolate chips and the coconut and the yeah, yeah, that's what she brings to the bake sale. And she always makes more than enough. Like it's a good amount of bars. I think that she has lots of things that she has recipes for that have numbers in the title,

like a six cheese macaroni. Right, a five layer dip. Andy Reid famously makes like a six cheese macaroni. Do you not know this? What do we got next? Oh my God! Here we go! Looks the same.

Speaking of precocious. This is almost identical to male CJ Stroud. Also named CJ. CJ works, I think. Catherine Jane. Catherine CJ Stroud. Also named CJ. CJ works, I think, both genders. Catherine Jane. Catherine Jane Stroud. I'm getting High School Musical. I'm getting a sunniness in her eyes. I think this person likes to dance in a group setting. I think she's cool.

I'm getting that we didn't slide the slider over far enough. I'm seeing too much CJ Stroud in this woman. This is it. This just looks like CJ Stroud. Yeah, the eyes are a little different. I think they look, they probably gave her some like lashes or something and maybe made them a little bit more like up a little like we do with our makeup, whatever that's called. But it's, this is still just CJ Stroud to me. Was the hair changed?

Was the hair changed at all? I think a little. A little bit. I mean, just turned into a curl. Was the hair changed? Was the hair changed at all? Barely. A little bit. Pablo, this is a thing on Instagram and TikTok that many women use. It's like a filter where you just get lashes. And that's what happened here. They always have names like light makeup.

Or flawless filter. And then you put it on and you're like, whoa! Yesified. But this just looks like CJ Strava with lashes. Yeah. What's next? Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know this person. Right?

Okay. So this brings me to an interesting memory that I feel like everybody has forgotten, which is, do you remember when Travis Kelce shaved his beard and America was like, is he actually hot? I don't remember this. No, I have memory hold. Nobody remembers this. One, like, this is pre-Taylor Swift, obviously. I was going to say, the way that Travis Kelce was pre-Taylor Swift, I think, is also being memory hold.

Just as a personality wise. He did host a reality show. Yeah. That seemed less likeable than he is now. Yes. Yeah. This person's name is Samantha. I knew that right away. I looked right at the picture and I said, oh, Samantha. So that's, I know that doesn't rhyme with any of his name in any way, but that's a Samantha if I've ever seen one. She's a coach of a women's high school team.

Field hockey. Mm-hmm. Or softball. Yep, part down the middle. This gal has a big smile, but she's a bully. Wow. Look at her. Wow. Mina's encountered Samantha before.

This girl, yeah, this girl pointed out in front of everyone that my Doc Martens were not real Doc Martens. They're from Payless. Oh no. Damn. The stitches are the wrong color. Damn. What stitches, Katie? What stitches?

What's next, guys? Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Hard to look at. So. Who is this? That's...

This is Senator Elizabeth Warren. That's... Snuck her into this. What's his name? That's um... I'm gonna snuck her into this. What's his name? That's what's his face. Pablo, say his name. You're so close. I cannot tell.

She shares a first name with someone in your life. Yeah, Dan Quinn. It's Dan Quinn? It's Dan Quinn. That's Dan Quinn? That's Dan Quinn. God, that's so funny. That's like a...

Yo, Dan Quinn is a MILF. Can I just say that? I'm into Dan Quinn. You can. Oh my god, so hot. So hot. Yeah, I'm gonna go the other way on that. All the quarterbacks are hot. It's not for you. You don't want to bang Patricia Mahomes. Patricia Mahomes is a little too eager.

Eager? I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting eager, thirst. Is this hot male Mina? Cause this is gonna f*** me up. So the reason this is remarkable. Zoom into the face if you can. This is, this is my brother. This is my brother superimposed onto my body.

Huh. Interesting. Like, the thing about that theory is that... I love that outfit by the way. We didn't superimpose your brother's face onto your body. That's actually what the technology gave us. Why did it do that gray thing on her shoulder then? Yes it is. Hold on, is that true?

Why did it do that thing on her shoulder? Yeah, everybody behind the glass, this is just... Mina, this is the AI. This is not... No it's not. You literally took a picture of my shut up. It's not. Katie's walking up to the screen to evaluate. It's weird because her right ear is hers. The left ear, it does look like you cut a picture and put it on her. Oh, it's her hair.

It's trying to... Okay. For various reasons, this looks identical to Isaac Kimes. Which I, for the record, I'm not saying. Mina said it. And that's the best part. For various reasons, perhaps it's our shared DNA. Perhaps that's the reason.

I've done this, when we did this back with HQ and we did the male version, I looked a lot like Isaac, I remember. I don't think I would look like my brother at all. Well, let's see. Oh boy. Oh my God! Oh my God, a nightmare!

Oh my God, a nightmare! Look at, look at him! Look at him. I see, uh, Jimmy Garoppolo. Yup. Thank you. We're getting some top notes. I know, that's a win.

Some top notes of Garoppolo. That's a big win for you. Thank you, guys. There is, there is a little bit of a difference. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to tell me that. I'm not sure if. Thank you. We're getting some top notes.

Some top notes of Garoppolo. That's a big win for you. Thank you guys. There is, there is, you know, some, some- How did it make her Jacked? Some Ricky Martin. Some are saying. Looks a little bit like Henry Cavill.

Wow, that now looks a lot, now that I'm looking at it. Katie? This is weird. Sebastian Stan also, now that I'm looking at it. Katie... This is weird. Sebastian Stan also, people are saying, many are saying. But you're a Chad. I mean, this is... She is a Chad. A tetra-gigga Chad.

How does this compare to your brother, Kevin? I mean, I'm actually, I kind of see it more than I've ever when I look at my brother and I'm like, we don't look alike. I kind of weirdly do see it here, but not a lot. Not a lot, but a little, more than I usually do. We have another angle on this that we can examine. It's also the same haircut I had my whole childhood. It looks incredibly.

It's what it looked like for my childhood. Incredibly natural. Okay, now that, I'm dating him, natural. Okay, now that I'm dating him. Wow. Hello. That's Jimmy G. That is Jimmy. This guy, Keith Nolan loves and deserves the finest adult film star to join him at dinner. Yeah, that's right.

He wears a deep V and a necklace or two. Not bad. Okay, that's Dan as a lady! Okay, girl! Yeah, what a sweetie. Look at Myrtle. Myrtle looks completely nonplussed. It's her birthday, by the way. Happy birthday, Myrtle.

Happy birthday, Myrtle. What if the technology did it to Myrtle too and you just couldn't tell the difference? It might have. I think Dan looks cute. I think he looks like the, not the lead, but a supporting character in like a teen movie, like Divergence or something. Like one of those movies about like the world has ended and we're all teenagers. What do we do? Oh my God.

A teacher. My third grade teacher. I'm not just saying this, but like if you were to split-screen this with Melissa McCarthy, it would be pretty. I think there'd be similarities. Pretty, pretty. I think there'd be similarities. Pretty much the same. Is that what Dan wore that night or is that an updated answer?

Yeah. I'm confused. Did Dan wear that blouse with that jacket? She's like, look at me. Oh my God, Pablo. Damn. Are you the hottest of all of us? I look, I look, again, Katie is a

predator we're learning. But objectively speaking, you know, you want to protect this, you want to protect this, this vulnerable creature. Bright eyes, whole life ahead of her. Yeah, I think she looks sweet. I think she looks sweet. Sorry, I won't be saying anything further. So as not to incriminate my... That's a beautiful woman. I watch her do dances on TikTok. She looks like my primary rival for valedictorian.

From high school. We're both doing, you know, extra studies to try to jack up our GPAs. I think we're, I think we should probably stop doing this now. The visual segment on the audio medium? Probably. This was a successful podcast. Yeah. Great.

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of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out is that I will never take lightly Katie Nolan's vulnerability when showing us a TikTok. Sorry, I'd prefer to save journalism instead of whatever the f*** that was. Newspaper, it's owned by Jeff Bezos. You think that the Washington Post is better? It's owned by Jeff Bezos. They didn't endorse a political candidate. We don't have news for it. The worst is when you play one that you're like,

this is so funny and then you play it in front of a group of people and they don't. I did a whole episode of that. Yeah, this is unfortunately a recurring and genuine phenomenon. Okay, what about this one? Listen, we bought, no, don't do it. Okay, what about this one?

Why? I gotta go, guys. I gotta go do NFL stuff. Why is there a dancing small white child in front of Kendrick Lamar? I feel like... Bye. What'd you find out before you leave? I found out that Pablo did not go to a lot of parties. And did I really find that out?

Because I could have guessed it. All right, bye guys. Okay, very good. Bye Mina, love you. Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Daywig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Nealey Lohman, Rob McCray, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our sound design by NGW Post, our theme song as

always, is by John Bravo. We will talk to you next time.