The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - South Beach Sessions - O'Shea Jackson Jr.

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

"I got our name in places it hasn't been before, and I want to continue to do that." O'Shea Jackson Jr. is absolutely his father's son, and he's not shy about it. Instead, he's on a mission to match that passion and legacy. O’Shea talks with Dan about his father’s career and what it means to follow in those giant footsteps… including playing him in 'Straight Outta Compton'. And, of course, O’Shea shares the stories only a star-studded childhood could tell, like calling up Kobe for inspiration. He also dives into his journey through the film industry to franchises like Godzilla and Star Wars, starting with how struggling in school actually taught O’Shea that he was always a writer. Watch, listen, & subscribe to the "No-Contest Wrestling Podcast with O'Shea Jackson Jr. & TJ Jefferson", available wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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With a towing capacity of 3,500 kilograms and a weighting depth of 900 millimeters, the Defender 110 pushes what's possible. Learn more at landrover.ca. Welcome to the West Coast edition of South Beach sessions right here. We've got generations of Los Angeles in front of me. O'Shea Jackson, Jr., your father's very Los Angeles, you're very Los Angeles. You know, I'm from Den of Thieves.

He played his father in his debut role in Straight Outta Compton. You got Godzilla. You got cocaine bear. But the thing that's most important, the only thing that matters right now, the greatest pride that he has is his nerddom in wrestling. Oh, yeah. No contest wrestling. You've got a podcast and you are immersed in all things wrestling.

How have you not been dissuaded of this as an adult? The greatest arguments I had with my father was, Dad, that's not fake. Jimmy Snooka, you can't. That's not fake. That can't be faked. Yeah, it's, you definitely, I grew up having those arguments and, you know, things like that. But once you start to become a smarter wrestling fan, you know what you're looking at, but then you know what you're looking for to.

If you can, with everyone's knowledge of the business, for a split second, for however long, make them believe you got them. You got them in the palm of your hand. And as an actor, I appreciate what they do because in my line of work, I get cuts, I get redos. It's not going to be in the movie until it's perfect. But with them, it's live. And they have to add to a character every week as opposed to, you know, waiting for a season. So, yeah, I mean, and to go is so much better than watching on TV.

There's some things, some aspects that a television match can give you that you don't get from live. like you're not hearing the announcers or anything like that, but the energy of the crowd and just seeing people that might break a limb just for our applause, you got to admire. I want to keep talking to you about wrestling, and we will, but the screenwriter in you, the screenwriter who went to USC dreaming of what? What is it that you were going to be when you start at the dream in college?

I wanted to, everyone's there to write for TV and movies. I wanted to write for video games. That was what I was going to do at, time with my freshman year i think call of duty made a billion in a weekend and i was like you know your father son yeah i i can make you pay 16 dollars a movie ticket or i can make you pay 60 dollars a game so that's where i was headed and then you know second year pops tells me you know they're taking this nWA movie series and i didn't think that the conversation was going to lead to my career path well i was just like all right cool it's dope

happy for you and he said in a perfect world I want you to play me and I was not uh not necessarily jumping for joy because it's not really a lot of good rap movies especially at that time and but the thing is my dad's never asked me to do anything you know he's just just always been a provider and this was the first time where I felt like he needed me so I had to jump on it he said we're going to have to make you audition and I said please make me audition because I've heard the Godfather three stories, you know, the Francis Fort Coppola's daughter and how that went. And if I don't get it in an audition, I'm just not good. It's not like I didn't try. So we auditioned and Gary Gray saw something that he liked.

From there, he got me an acting coach, Aaron Spizer, who I feel like I owe everything to. Aaron Spicer hooked me up with Susan Batson. I flew to New York to work with her for a few weeks. Two years later of auditioning and watching my friends graduate without me on Instagram, got the part here I am. So it's an accident? Kind of. Like, it kind of just fell in my lap and I left school to pursue it.

So now it's just about making it work. The one thing that I do wish I would have did differently, when you go to college and you're in your major you don't really grasp that college is about putting a bunch of people with the same idea in the same room together and you're supposed to make these connections with these people because you don't know who you're going to need or what as you go further in this career that you're choosing and I didn't do that I lost touch with my writer friends and I wish I would have have kept touch with it. Because now that I'm in the door, as far as the film industry goes, I still have my ideas for shows and everything. And I wish we all would have stayed. I would have held them tighter because I would have had a team. I would have had a team of writers right there and people that I know can do it. So, you know, I got to go on Instagram and hunt

them all down, but I wish I would have had a better connection with them. So take me through that. So you're basically leaving school with your father's blessing to chase this and you think your father is needing you, asking you for something for one of the few times. Yeah, it's, it's a amount of pressure that he's never vocally said, but just that as his son, I felt. And when you put all your, you know, you go all in, you put pressures on yourself and and you put yourself in a situation where you have to. Like, we have to get this.

A lot of times with second generation, where, you know, kids, the Neppo babies are, you know, the first generation, a lot of their want, need, or drive is external stuff, you know, like whether that be, I don't want to live like this anymore, or I need to get out of this, environment. I need to better myself. I need to be above all this. When you're a second generation, life is good. You look around life and it's like, what am I running from? You know, so you have to have. You weren't straight out of comedy. Yeah. I had to have an internal,

you have to have like an internal thing of wanting more for yourself. And that comes from the conversations with my dad and my mom about whether that's, they never said anything like you got to stand on your own two feet, but just want more. more for yourself. And so I had to use things like that, that pressure of going all in and not having an option afterwards because at USC, the screenwriting program is a four-year program. You can't just leave in your second and then you just jump back. Hard to get into as well.

So I kind of felt like if I don't make this work, I'm screwed. So that's that fire. now I got to win the role. He didn't tell me this at the time, but I found out when he told the higher-ups that he wanted me to play him, their response was, is this a joke? That would have been more fire for me.

Wanting to do it for my siblings, wanting to do it for my siblings because when I win, I feel like we win. I do it for Darryl, Karima, and Sharif. And then you got my cousins like, well you gotta get it you got so these all these things that i'm using to fuel my fire and then once i did get the role then all the nepotism talk starts so i'm like all right now i'm approved to you that i can do it and then when i do it and it's great then it was well of course

he could play his dance so i use so you have to have they tell you not to read comments and do all that stuff but i use that as fuel i use that that bulletin board and uh yeah i got to go go at him. Was the doing of it fun or was it pressurized? The first month pressure, I was, I was scared to death, you know. I had amazing chemistry with Jason Mitchell, Corey Hawkins, my man, Aldous Hodge, Neil Brown Jr., that was the crew. That was, that was NWA. And if it wasn't for those guys and the chemistry we had and just being excited to work with them all the time, laugh with them all the time, I would have had a very hard time doing straight out of Compton, harder than, you know, I already did.

Well, which is the one that you're distrusting the most, the fact that Hollywood doesn't make very good hip-hop movies, or that you're not going to serve the legacy of your father the way that you or he would want it to be served in film? I knew auditioning and working and workshopping for two years on that role. I knew by the time that the first action, I was ready. I've been holding it and focused for two years straight. There was really nothing that was going to stop me from portraying my dad, how I know him, and to make sure that what I put on the screen was true.

you're always nervous that you want the movie to do good you want you just you want to and when you're in it everything feels good but then once it once you put it out you're hoping and wishing and it it crushed so a lot of the the fears were I'm going to say more so whether or not I was getting it right from an acting perspective I knew how I know how my dad would act in certain situations,

but is it translating properly on the camera? And I feel like it did. How did your life change after that? Well, I can't watch movies the same. Movies have been ruined for me. Every time I watch a movie now, I just think about how it was shot, how long that probably took, this probably sucked.

like I was watching Godzilla versus Kong and that's a movie you're supposed to just kick back turn your brain off man and there's a scene where Godzilla flips a ship that Kong is still chained up to

and somebody has to dive into the water hit the button and all I could think about was you know how annoying diving into that water was 13 times so like that type of stuff is ruined for me but that's a shame you used to be

a film buff right now I'm like oh man what a nightmare every time or or I'm impressed but you know well you're not yeah you're you're not watching the movie you're watching how it was made because because it's now your life it's funny to hear you say that it's an accident though so writing for video games what was that going to be like what explain to me what writing for video games would have been as a career versus what it is your presently doing like what what was the path to well at USC what I was really taken in is the art of storytelling you know the the difference between a popcorn movie and what they consider cinema you know what what things draw what emotions from people the best video

games have a story behind them along with gameplay because gameplay is important but they have a story behind them that sticks with you forever when i was in so it was about 12 sixth grade uh i played a game called kingdom hearts and the kingdom hearts is a mixture of a franchise final fantasy and mixed with uh disney and so on the surface it's just you know it looks like a fun kids game but i have you log in all these hours like over 80 hours or whatever uh whatever the game is you have this attachment to this character and what they're going through and you want the best for them and when it doesn't work out it crushes you or when you're left on a cliffhanger you're i'm on that cliffhanger forever and i wanted to do that for people i wanted to create those those feelings and

emotions that I'm having that that never let go I wanted to do that for other people and so it was I was at USC learning how the greats did that through that media and doing whatever I can to translate a story of the magnitude of a movie and then form it into a video game what's going on in your household that that makes it so attracted to storytelling. Your father and hip hop, that's all it is, screenwriting, wrestling. Like, it's all stories. Yeah, I didn't know I wanted to be a screenwriter

till probably nine months before I applied. It wasn't like on my radar. I was supposed to play for the Lakers until I was 17 years over. That's when I called it quits. But I had a teacher, shout out to her non. And shout out to Rochelle, because these two means so much to me, and I have to hunt them down and find them. But they were my homeschool teachers. I was in public school from kindergarten through seventh grade.

Seventh through 11th, I was homeschooled. And then I didn't feel like graduating in the kitchen, so they let me go to Taft. But I was a daydreamer. I understood my schoolwork, and a lot of schoolwork is repetition. repetition is where I get bored. So I was a daydreamer just zoning out and I got a notebook dropped in front of me and he said, whatever you're thinking about, just write it down because you're not here right now. If I let you write it down, will you come back? It's like, all right. So he would give me 30 minutes every day to just write, write, write, right, right, right, right.

And then next thing I know, I had like 120 pages of a handwritten story and he would read it you know while I was doing my school work then he goes you ever thought about screenwriting no you never thought about it like with your dad you've never thought about it like no and you know my mom showed me like because she keeps like all our school projects and things like that and she showed me like all these projects that I did these creative writing projects and you didn't even know you're a writer. You were so spaced out through childhood that you get to college, not even knowing your mom's showing you the scrapbook. Yes, you've always been a writer. Yeah, you've always liked writing. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's nice to meet me. And then they got me a teacher to teach me how to write scripts, Bill Rubenstein. And from there, we changed my handwritten story into script form, script form into an application, and I go to USC. But yeah, you know, I'm oblivious. A lot of people, People in the world don't know what they're good at because it comes so easy to them. They think, like, the great things are supposed to be hard to do.

But when it comes easy to you, you're not paying attention to it. There's so many people that don't know what their talent is. But, yeah, here's this mural I made, but, yeah, it's nothing. Like, you have to pay attention to yourself, and sometimes it takes people on the outside to show you that mirror. When you say, here's the mural, do it as much as you can. what's your childhood look like like who are your uncles who's in the house what what is happening in your childhood when you're the the son of a rap star um i first of all we go to

hawaii like all the time so much so that as a kid i'm like man Hawaii again now as an adult I miss Hawaii I miss her you miss those you miss those writers at USC now you're all grown up and you realize what you missed on. I loan for Hawaii. But going to premieres, normal. Just another reason why I got to get dressed up. But Laker Games, really, the things that are still within me,

just experiencing them through childhood, always at Staples Center. Man, I love Staples Center. I'm sorry, crypto but like it's stable center so always at stable center whether that be for concerts or games kings games like your games or if you're really really bored we go to a clipper game uh and from there meeting cool people you know running into it to cool people there's not a lot of stars that like i'll say like you know was one of you know the the fake

uncles but uncle dr shack is for sure mom um um And, yeah, I remember going to my first All-Star game, getting to meet a lot of great players. I remember the first time I met Kobe lost my mind. It was just one of those things that you appreciate in the moment, but especially now, man, I met Kobe probably five times, and I remember each time. And then the coolest thing that ever happened is one day my dad picked me up from school, which is this is grandma territory. grandma picks this up from school. So my dad picked me up from school. That's a big deal. Yeah, whispers have already flooded through the school to me. Show your dad's here, your dad's here, your dad's here, your dad's here. So now I'm thinking, what have I done? I can't, I feel like I'm

doing good in school. What could he possibly be here for? What did I do? And so I walk out to school and he's in the nice car. So we got the four doors and everything. He's in the two door. He's in the nice car. It's not. I'm really skeptical. I get in a car and we start driving and he asked me about my day, normal conversations. We're definitely not going home because we're going really far. We're driving all the way to Venice, which for a little kid is very far. And we sit at this table at this restaurant and the rock walks in and sits at the table and just starts talking to my dad. And you have to give a kid at least 24 hours, at least 24 hours. Like,

hey, so we're going to have lunch with your hero tomorrow. Anything. I was so, for the first time in my life, starstruck. I couldn't say a single word. Nothing would come out of my mouth. And to this day, like, I have, first of all, he paid, he got a cheeseburger. I got a cheeseburger. I got a root beer.

He got a Diet Coke. Thought that was weird, but, you know, he's the rock. He paid for it. Lady brings him his change, but he walks out. and I stole his quarter just to have it just to have it stole that woman's money yep for sure a crime yeah some might say you committed a crime not some might say you stole that woman's money that wasn't your money that was it was it was for me that wasn't how the universe works that's how the youth of today's universe work that is not how that one works that you stole that woman's money here for this man

well but take me through the colby meeting uh i want to talk to you about rock the rock and wrestling But are you noticing in the Kobe meeting that Kobe's just as respectful of your father as your father is of Kobe? Like, you're understanding the weight that your father has everywhere, right? Yeah. Yes and no. I know, you know, my dad does music. My dad does movies. People love him.

I didn't grasp how much my dad means to people until I was 18. Like, it took that long of, and it, it's just another one of those things. Like, you don't, you don't get it until you really get it. And when I was 18, I went with my dad on tour. Me and my older brother Darrell, we worked on crew. So, you know, we're helping with the crates, just anything, helping build the sets with the, you know, the blow-up Ws. We were working as crew, helping with sound. check anything that you know we could do but we were just on the road and that took me all the

way to Australia for the first time and in Australia a dude in the crowd after we were taking the set list off the stage dude in the crowd you know wave me over he had a card so I grabbed the card and he was like tell your dad I was you know living on the wrong path you know gangs the whole nine and listening to his music I became a doctor and I was like damn that's wow

and it kind of hit me that he's my dad yes but there are people out in the world that needed him and if they didn't have him who knows where they would be and from something he probably wrote in the kitchen you know wrote just

not understanding well probably understanding at that time But just the things that he sends out, they mean so much. Those words mean so much that they could be the make or break thing that leads to a doctor who saves other people's lives that, you know, and that right there is the moment I knew. All right. He's a bad man. Oh, my God, he knows. We're going to talk here about Miller Light.

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Additional NFL Sunday ticket terms at YouTube.com slash go slash NFL Sunday ticket slash terms. Limited time offer. You probably get a lot of this. I am of his age, so I will tell you that I'm in college. I'm a freshman at the University of Miami, amid those University of Miami football teams that would end up feeling a lot like the Raiders teams. that he loves or grew up on when he was like just loving the renegade spirit of things.

And all I'm playing is straight out of Compton and as a freshman in college. And it's introducing me to something culturally that I simply have had no access to. Like you're opening up a window to the world on the East Coast where I'm in the middle of black sports rebellion and the rebellion of hip hop music at its edgiest and most aggressive.

I'm being introduced to culture through your father, basically. Yeah, and it's that right there, bringing awareness, being the voice of the voiceless, having everyone kind of, let's look into that. You know, that's where the power really started, where you even got government officials listening in, you know, and you don't see that when you're the kid. Like, you don't recognize it. And even doing the film, in my mind, these are stories I've heard all the time. Getting the perspective of what other people, like not from just the Ice Cube side, really kind of warped my brain around what was really happening.

And to think my dad at that time was 16, 17, it's wild. What do you know about that time in its life? And, like, what do you know about, obviously, you've researched extensive. for the movie, you got to feel like you really know what your father's growth was. I mean, you know, you won't

know the day by day, but I know growing up in his house, you know, he had both his parents, hard workers, and he wanted that for himself. He's the youngest of his siblings, and I look at my little brother Sharif, and he's got the most

discipline out of any of us. That dude is a machine. So, I can only imagine what, you know, the younger version of my dad was. And, man, I'm grateful for it. And I'm sure there are some crazy times that I'm so glad he survived because I don't know if you know this. But the 80s was insane. I don't know how any of y'all got through it. It doesn't make sense.

The 80s was the wild wild ones. Well, I mean, you know his stories. You know all of his stories. It's a bit of a miracle in a number of different ways that he got. to where it is that he got it. God bless the latchkey kids. Wherever y'all are, I'm so happy y'all made it. Do, do, was there a lot of discipline in the house?

Like what, what was, you're getting to college, daydreaming and not having had to suffer or sacrifice very much, right? I mean, in the, in the, don't be bad. All right, because you're getting disciplined. But my parents always say, if you handle your business, get whatever you want. on. And my business as a kid is schooling your room. I was terrible at the room one. I was really good at school. And so my parents never really had to get on me until they saw some slip-ups. If they see, when they see it, they attack it. I, sixth grade, going into seventh grade. It was my

first time ever going to summer school. Now, the thing with me wasn't that I didn't understand the or I couldn't like comprehend what I was reading because when I got to summer school the two classes that I was there for I ended up with with A's in both classes and I had one of the teachers asked me what are you doing here it's hard for me to have six teachers like it was six different personalities six people like you might be having a good day you might be having a bad day and just I it's just I can't focus that way I need a one-on-one teacher. You know, I'd take any information better in a one-on-one setting. So when I, that was able to, you know, be compressed a little bit, I got the AEE. So then that led to the

homeschooling. I got a 101 teacher. I'm killing it, crushing it. So that was the only time they saw a slip up and they, they, they sacrificed public school. That was my biggest sacrifice. When you go to your only school is, the only girl in your school is your sister. That's terrible. I love my sister, Dan. I went to an all-boys high school. I was ill-equipped for college. I was not, I had no training on how to just talk to a person who was not male.

Didn't know how to do it. Didn't know how to do it. Yeah, so that, I mean, that was probably the biggest one. Yeah. Anytime they saw slippage and me handling my business. It's that mindset that I still have. It's just you got to handle business. Handle business first.

You know, even now being an adult, having the success that I do, I don't go out. I don't do any other things that would affect me handling my business. Okay, but I feel like you're skipping over some stuff where, yeah, of course, don't be bad. And there's an understanding you're going to be responsible. Your dad is to be feared and respected. Your mom is to be feared and respected. but you still came upon discipline. Like your little brother is very disciplined.

Like something was happening in the household. A little rare for a Hollywood family to be together that long, for it to be stable, functioning. Like, it's not the most normal of things. Yeah, I think it stems from a, there's a part of me that the part of me that stays disciplined or the, you know, whether it be the drive and my little brother, it's just the choices that we make when it affects the way that we like

to live, you just have to turn it off. And it starts with you. You know, you can't, nobody else is going to do it for you. That's what we always were taught. Nobody else is going to do it for you. And if you don't, if you don't like it, if you're not willing to change it, then you're choosing it and yeah I guess that's where it stems from is not wanting to let them down or each other down we were such a tight family unit anything we were so we were terrible at like family talks because we don't want to hurt the other one's feelings like we're such a tight-knit family that way so I can't even put a real finger on it besides not wanting to let each other down working with family. You don't want to let him down? I still haven't really worked with him,

though. When we started straight out of Compton, he was doing right along two. So in the beginning, he was an iPad floating around set. Like there was somebody holding an iPad of him so he can check things out. But by the time he got there, I had my feet wet already. I was rocking. And so then it became just like a player coach type thing but i really want to do a film with him and like really work with him and see how that feels i'd tell you one thing we used to do uh i used to i probably got three songs with my dad that's crazy i like writing i like i like the aspect of thinking of something that you weren't thinking of but like writing a song i'd rather pull my hair I can't write a song.

Like for whatever, I just get in my head, is it catchy enough? That's not for me. So a lot of my choice to go into movies was because it's just not fun for me. So two music, it's just not fun. Movies I have fun, for sure. Three songs? Yeah, I think. It's, she couldn't make it on our own.

And then I think we did another one that's like, like an ensemble of like four or five artists and I'm pretty sure I did a song with him on one of his albums no it was a it was a song that we had that didn't get released but that's it yeah and then I tried the music thing but I just didn't have the love for it like I do with film where I'm passionate about it to the point of like being competitive because if you're going to rap, rap to be the best. Don't rap to just like, you know, make a quick buck. I wanted to be taking serious and whatever I chose.

And with music, I don't think I'm going to take my family name to any higher than what it is. In movies, though, I feel like I can get some new roles for us. Did you have any imposter syndrome after the first difficult, month? No, I was locked in. I still do get a little bit of imposter syndrome because I, my biggest flaw then is that I don't know how great I really am. I'll sit in the trailer first day of work on every project and I'll be reading all the things I have to do and then it sets in of just like, what the hell am I doing here? Like, what am I doing here?

They're going to find out they picked the wrong guy. This is about to be terrible. Why did I choose to do this? And then I get my feet with it. I'm like, oh, man, we're going to crush this. We're going to kill this. And it just happens. It's first day of school.

It's all those things creep into your head when something is new. And I don't think I want to get out of that because it keeps me on my toes. but let me put you in two scenarios so I put you between 50 cent and Gerard Butler

on Den of Thieves you feel like you belong yeah Gerard is intimidating but at that point I was just so happy to be doing this is my third movie ever so I was just so happy to be there

I was like yeah let's do it I got to shoot guns not in the movie but they made me weapons train anyway. And yeah, I had Ingrid Goes West, had Sundance. I was feeling good with myself at that time. Okay, but I want to get to the next one where I'm not going to believe you if you tell me, even if you have your father's

confidence, Michael B. Jordan and Jamie Fox. Man, I'm not even really in that movie. I'm not even really messing with them. I got to meet Mike and Brie Larson one time. I don't even see Jamie. But your, but your, your name is your name is in lights around them yeah I just in that moment I know at that moment it's like all right it's a great that we're in this and in those situations my thought process is when you're on camera you got to steal it you got to steal it you have to stand

out because you're around Titans right now you got to steal it and how I've always looked at it or or given an example When you're not the lead, okay, when you're not the guy that necessarily is pushing the movie, everybody wants to be Luke Skywalker. Hans Solo gets the girl, Han Solo gets the car, Hans Solo gets the sidekick with Chewy. Hans Solo is pretty dope. When you're, everybody wants to be Woody. Buzzlight is the coolest toy in the world.

So if you got to support, just make sure you steal the show. Whether that be 10th on the call sheet or number two on the call, wherever. If you steal the show, if you stand out, you'll do good for yourself. And there was a scene where I shake Jamie's hand. I stole that scene from him. I ate you up, Jamie. I ate you up, bro. Stole that shake.

You saw that shake, holding back tears. no nothing about that he still is haunted by that it's as memorable as Schwarzenegger and Ventura and Predator the way that you shook his hand he underestimated you because he thought that

he put his guard down for a second and you took it from it thought it was sweet around here tell me the best stories around cocaine bear how I got it is pretty funny so I'm on Twitter a lot Some might say too much.

I don't listen to them. So I saw Elizabeth Banks get the rights to cocaine bear. I'm like, all right, this is probably a movie about some runner. They call the bear. No, not at all. It's about a bear on cocaine, 100%. So I retweeted it, and I said, just take my money now. You know, I'm on my way.

And she saw the tweet, hits them like, hey, I think. we could get O'Shea so I get a call like hey you want to be in it yeah so they sent me the script and you know this is this is why I love Elizabeth Banks nobody can ever tell me anything about Elizabeth Banks because I'm reading the script and I couldn't help but notice on page 96 Elizabeth I don't I don't make it I die she was like you don't want to die I know No, I don't want to die. She said, all right, you don't die. That was it.

That's not usually all those conversations. She was so chill. She was like, all right, well, Carrie Russell plays like a nurse, so, like, we'll just say she saves you. That's how you try to get cocaine bear, too, Dan. That's how you do it, folks. Congratulations. That's excellent work there. Right.

You're making them look really easy in Hollywood. It's unusual. What you're going to do is ask? What they're going to tell you, no? Hey. But you hadn't read that. script or anything no no i read it i read it but i just didn't and i didn't even die by the bear i got shot by ray leota and so i was like yeah i can't do that elizabeth was like you don't have

to that's why i love elizabeth banks the last time we talked to you on our show you were explaining that you had called your father from the set they were making you wait a long time and he told you to just leave and you're like i'm not you i can't uh just leave uh what are some of the things that you would say you have learned from your upbringing. Knowing your worth, knowing, like, I'm respectful, I'm easy to work with, but I'm not a pushover. Like, know when you're being played.

Know when to trust your instincts a little bit of like, this doesn't feel right. And at that time in my life, on the first dinner thieves, third film ever i was so bent on good report cards you know good report cards don't make waves everybody already thinks that you're just coming here thinking you're the man anyway in actuality i just want to work and i am happy to be here you don't have to be happy to be here after a while you know after a while you got to know that they need you right now and they don't they could not want you but they still need you so it took some time it took

um you know a lot of different sets a lot of ways how people work on things and learning you know learning through trial by fire but then you get to a point where like no it's cool to say no it's cool to be like that doesn't work for me and at the end of the day filmmaking is a collaborative effort to make a, you know, a beautiful project. And you got to make sure you get yours too. And so I don't wait around no more, you know. I'm 10 years in, baby. I got some veteran privileges.

And it's also not nearly as glamorous as people think it is, right? You're waiting around a lot. There's a lot of boredom in it. The movie is great. Making it is an effort. And also, I know as an actor, you know, you're the one in front of the camera. If the movie's bad, they don't really think about, well, who wrote this? No, they think about, like, yo, that O'Shea movie was terrible.

And so, yeah, you're the face of the watch. But the gears that make the watch that really, like, I'm in movies. The people who are making the movies, those people got my utmost respect. Every crew I've ever worked with, I made sure that I'm approachable, that I thank them for what they do because they really have the less glamorous spot. And when the movie is terrible, they're not really blamed, but when the movie is amazing, they're not really applauded either. So shout out to the gears of the watch, man. Every department, whether it's costumes arguing with sound or props arguing with costumes because the watch is a prop, it's not really a piece of clothing, hair and makeup, everybody, the grips,

everybody who transpose especially, shout out to transpose. But all those guys, man, those guys are really making the movie. Can you really not turn off your brain and just watch a movie and say, I enjoyed that anymore. You're thinking about costume design and how it is. Like you're now looking at the, you're not telling the time,

you're looking at the pieces of the watch. Yeah. The last time I got to really like, where I was like, I'm not even, you know, I'm being a fan, was Deadpool Wolverine. Deadpool Wolverine, I'm just like, I just enjoyed the ride, you know?

And it was a, that was a fun experience, man. I sat front road. the theater i haven't done that forever so you were transported it's probably the child in you a little but finally got to be a child you probably know too much at this point yeah i know too much man i've seen some things that's funny though you you can't be it's really hard to transport you in a movie it's yeah because it's like the mechanics of it are too fascinating to you and even even like i look at acting different because of jason mitchell jason mitchell who played easy e and straight out of compton he

He's the one who taught me how to look at acting like a sport instead of just playing pretend. Because we, you know, we'll watch something together and he was like, man, he killed him. Or like, man, he got him right there. Or just like he looks at it like boxing. And so when I see two actors going toe to toe, I'm like, man, I was a good round. You know, so it's just that competitive spot. And that's not how you're really, you shouldn't be going into a scene like, I'm about to kill this dude. You should, you're only focused on you.

But it's just something about a scene where somebody either has a monologue or something where you're like, man, he crushed. And you can see it almost like you can see a dunk. And you, that's where you really, as a peer, start to become fans of people. Competition in sports. your father's a bit of an insane person when it comes to just fandom. I live with Dr. Sue's dad. His fandom is crazy. The business entrepreneurship of what he's done.

I'm not going to say trying to do, but I know what he's trying to do and how he's trying to do it. It just seems like ambition that's not necessary at this point in your life's, hardship that's not necessary. Why the work ethic? Why is it important for you? to work hard when you don't have to. He, because he hasn't stopped working.

He hasn't stopped working. And also, I, I feel like we're, I'm not nowhere near where I want to be. And even when I get there, I'm going to want something else. I was at a point in my career, 2019 in October. I was in my apartment. Little did I know the whole world was going to change the next year. Well, I was in my apartment.

I might have had, I might have been a little inebriated, perhaps. I'm an American citizen. I'm fine. You're allowed to be a little inebriated. A couple of libations. Maybe a lot inebriated. You're also allowed to be a lot of inebriated. So I'm in my apartment.

And I was kind of down on myself. I felt like my career was a little stagnant. it like I had plateaued and it's because I I don't need much I don't need much to make myself happy so I'm happy but I became content and I wanted more for myself and so I started having these these thoughts and these emotions and scrolling through Twitter and then something told me Kobe follows you DM Kobe Kobe's retired. Kobe's been, you know, retired for three years now,

and he got up, won an Oscar. He's about to do the, that's when he had the children's book out and the body armor thing and the Mamba Academy. And so I hit Kobe, and I was like, dude, you've done everything. And you still get up and you still want more. What pushes you? I feel like I'm stuck. So what pushes you?

some books, give me some mantras, some movies. He gave me his number. Now, I'm drunk. Okay, whoa, it's escalated since you were talking. It was maybe an ebriated. I'm going to let you know right now. You're slurring in your hammer. I am drunk. And my first thought was, I cannot talk to Kobe right now. I cannot talk to Kobe. This can't be my first phone call with Kobe. This is my hero. And so I text him. I was like, hey, I got you locked in. I'm like, please don't call me. He was like, I'll call you in a couple days. And so

from there call me in a couple days. I'm waiting, waiting, waiting. You're waiting for the call. Yeah. So I, he said, I'll call you in a couple days. A couple days is very vague.

So I'm like, all right. So I'm just waiting every day for me to call. And I did a table read for the show that worked but kind of didn't work but I got two of my best friends from it called the now and I'm driving and I'm writing in the Uber and then my phone rings says goat says goat and I'm like oh my God today is the day so I tell the driver hey can you turn down the radio I got to talk to coach

And he goes, Kobe Bryant? I said, yeah, man. You had to brag to the Uber driver. Keep it quiet in here, all right. Kobe Bryant is about to talk to me. So I talked to Kobe. And Kobe told me that feeling of I haven't done enough or that I, all the accomplishments that I have don't mean much

and just how hard I am on myself, keep it, keep that. He said, that's what I feel every day. I feel like we're not done or I feel like I ain't done nothing. And this dude won five championships, MVP, gold medalists, all the nines, all-star games, all of that, nothing.

Doesn't mean nothing. He said that he paid. I pace as well throughout his house like you just your mind is always working and you have to hold on to that feeling if you want to keep going forward we talked about our dads making the decision to go in our father's footsteps he told me that your parents are never gonna want you to go through anything and you got to ignore that you got to do stuff for you sometimes and see where you're gonna end up from it whether that be learning that all right maybe we shouldn't do that or you might like

where you end up but they're always going to want to protect you because that's their job so you've got to know when like you got to do something for me and you got to know when to take that advice because they're the people that are going to love you the most and we talked for 24 25 minutes and then uh hung up and you know it was like all right man talk you later some text here and there I ran it to him at a just mercy screening Philadelphia and that was like like November I think so all this is like from October 2019 January 2020 he was gone and if I didn't have even though it's a bit of liquid courage if I didn't have that courage to hit Kobe

I would have never had that conversation with him, and I would have never had those words with Kobe. So I can't let Kobe down. He had to tell me that. You know, he had to tell me that. So I have to hold on to this feeling. And so far, it's helped me make some good decisions. I've run into some wild decisions.

But it's just something from him that I'll, I'll always hold on to. People don't understand how hard it is to make a successful living in here, correct? Like, they assume you've been in a movie, therefore he's going to have 30 years of movies, right? Yeah, no. After I did it straight out of Compton, I didn't work for a year. No one called. There was a couple of script offers, but nobody cared.

Nobody called? Nobody? No, dude. I mean, you crushed it. My God. Thank you. So I'm like, my phone about to blow up. It's, you know, yada yada, y'all.

And I'm just sitting waiting. We got a couple of nibbles with like some scripts, but I'm like, it's whack. So, like, I. But you think at this point, you're assuming, right? As soon as this movie gets to $200 million or you're hearing the numbers, yeah. Where are the offers? How am I got to get more agents, right?

And so it, it, it, I had reached a point where I was confused. And I had to go out. and get something and I had a movie kind of fall in my lap you know I went to some award show where I was presenting and I saw Aubrey Plaza in the green room and I'm going to go talk to Aubrey and then these two lovely ladies stop me and tell me that their grandson loved straight out of Compton and yada y'all and we take the picture and Aubrey's gone So then I go on Twitter, as I do, and talk about how I almost met Arby Plaza, so the night's going great.

And she sees that, hits me, it's like, hey, I got this film, I kind of need you to do it. I was like, I'm not sure that's how it works, but let's set up a meeting. So she gives me her number, I text her, I say, hey, it's Batman. She goes, great, exclamation point, exclamation point. then from there we set up a meeting at some bar that neither of us knew and she goes how did you like the script i said what script she said the script i sent you so you didn't send me a script what's my email if you sent me a script so she goes look she goes why did you tell me you were batman i was like i don't know man i was trying to be cool i'm batman i don't know she goes your

dude in the movie is obsessed with batman so i told everyone everybody that you said yes all right now i got to do it like now i have to do it that's too funny and i was anger goes west wait a minute you're gonna be shitting me you couldn't get work you couldn't get work there was no you were typecast as he looks like ice cute of course he can play his dad of course he could play his dad jason and corey got to do skull island i was furious It was like Easy and Dr. Dre are in King Kong And here I am Just watching the account get lower

So I was hot And so this lovely movie Inger Goes West by the grace of God I get Inger Goes West Inger Goes West ticks me to Sundance I get variety happy Wait a minute was your career dead Oh I was done

I was about to be on suppositive I was done Your career was dead out of crushing it in straight out of Compton. You thought... Academy Award nominated. You were getting cruddy scripts. A lot of horror.

No disrespect to the horror community. There's not really a lot of awards there. Man. I was hot, bro. It was hot for a year. It was scared to death. I mean, but how could you not be? That doesn't even make any sense.

Doesn't make sense. Because it's like, of course he can play his dad. What are we going to do? Just find a movie where we can't get his dad and make him do it. So like... But even in that, there's a career. Right. No, I was done.

I was done. It was over. If it wasn't for Ingrid Goes West, Matt Spice. But how is that even possible? Like, clearly, anybody watching Straightout Compton could say that is well acted. Like, he's, never mind that my introduction to you was like, holy shit, how does that look so much like Ice Cube when he was younger? Like, how is that possible? That's my introduction to you.

But how does Hollywood not notice? No. And Hollywood marketing agents of a certain age that would have grown up as I did on Straight Out of Compton would have also been like, that's good. good acting. I have no I got no clue. The only people that I like I would have my meetings and they would go nowhere

or I would do auditions shout out to Carmen Cuba I love you forever but I would have my you know auditions you rarely get auditions I'm gonna just be real like it's such a rarity to get those anyway but I was doing the audition thing

doing all that but the only people that the only thing that had a little like okay this might be something was dinner thieves so Christian Goudigas was somebody who was looking for me after straight out of Compton

and angry goes west bro after that anyway was looking for me and so it's not just like a set thing to do so take me through what is the funniest or most embarrassing of the rejections in retrospect when you think you're going to

catapult now to stardom and instead you're nine months in and you've got to, you know, meet somebody at whatever, at a diner to be told that you can't have this sixth role. There was a movie that was supposed to do with my boy, Thomas Middle Ditch, that never got off the ground at Fox. I forget the name of it. If he was here, he'd tell me.

There's also a situation where, um, the reason why, Carmen Cuba, all right, she's a casting director. And I love Carmen, Because Karma Cuba is so real with me. I was auditioning for Alien Covenant. And she in the middle, like, after I do one audition, the second time going around, she goes, Shea.

Have you seen Alien? Yeah. So what happens in every alien? so you know aliens hit the ship and then she goes and then what's at the end said oh yeah

there's usually a lady that's the only survivor she exactly you don't want to die yet I said oh yeah I did tell you that like yeah you're going to die horribly in this

so is this what you want to do no have a good day shot thanks Carmen thank you so much and she she just looks out So that was probably my funniest audition.

But I've, man, I've auditioned for plenty of films. I auditioned for the hot solo film. Got real close. Real close. But my man, my man, Donald Glover got it. God bless him. It's pretty good, too. Pretty good, too.

It's super talented. Like, he's super talented. But, like, for about three months, took every song off my phone, every single. Every single one. Just straight vengeance. You know, it's just something about him. But, no, now. And you had a lot of Charlie Scambino you were playing?

Yeah, I love Chalder's Scampino. I love Glover since he did Derek comedy on YouTube. Like, I was like, I'm a fan of him. But you, but you hate him right now. No, no, right now. But I'm saying, I'm saying right. Yeah, at that time. Competitive you.

Trying to be Lando Calrissian. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Couldn't stand him. Hated his guts. Something else I think you couldn't stand was your name for how long. Oh, my God.

O'Shea. O'Shea was not a name you liked, right? I mean, it's, it's, it's. I've always, I have liked my name. It's just hasn't, it's just hard when you're trying to make a name for yourself and you got the guy's name, looked like the guy, and your first job is playing the guy. So it has its challenges, but I've never met. Actually, I take that back because I have met another O'Shea and I wanted to kill him.

I was like, what? What do you mean? You're like, yeah, my name's O'Shea too. You think I give a damn? So? Like, your name after my dad. There's no way your mom was like, let me get this name of Irish descent and just pass it on to your black ass.

So, yeah, I didn't like, I don't like that. Like, I don't dig that. At one time you didn't like being the only O'Shea, and then you get to 17 years old and you. I'm the man. I need to be the only ocean. I'm the only one you know. Me and my team, no disrespect if you see this,

but me and my dad had to go to a Celtics game because Jalen Brown is a friend of my dad's. And so we said Courtside at a disgusting Boston Celtics versus Houston Rockets game. I am in Laker Gear head to toe courtside because, you know, and they had a dude name O'Shea on the team. He said, my name's O'Shea too. I could have threw my chair.

Give a damn. I don't care, man, you Celtic. He was a Laker. it'd be really cool but no man yeah y'all are named after my dad i don't even know where my name came from i were like it is my grandmother i was like where did oh shay like where it was either that oranthal so i just shut the hell up there it was why is it between mohammed and mcloving like how do we get down here so i just tell people my name came from a hat they just pulled it out

but you don't actually know the story no no but it was better than ornthal that's a better story yes that is correct what a coin flip for me uh is your father's shadow in any way a burden because you always speak of it so reverently uh eloquently

you're always loving and kind uh is it a shadow that you have at any point wanted out from under um it's it's a shadow shadow is like is a third party ideology when you're in it you don't think like that and when you start to listen to other people you think that you're supposed to you think that like you're supposed to think like the whole the coattails the shadow that all that the mountain to climb

all that is it doesn't exist the only thing that exists is your family name. And I look at my family's name and my, or legacy, whatever you want to call it, I look at it as like a physical thing that I have to push forward so that this name goes further through time than just this one individual. And that is a torch that you just have to keep passing on. And so that's what I, I don't look at it like a shadow. I look at it like this Jackson name is going to reach everywhere it has reached mountains so high in music and i feel like we can go higher in movies so that's what i'm a do and i want adam sandler god bless him adam sandler took an tv award from my dad one time and i hated his guts immediately love adam sandler but i really

wanted that popcorn and when my dad wins awards he brings them home and i get to look at him and I really wanted that MTV popcorn. I know prestigious, I know. But when straight out of Compton happened, it just happened to fall on the 25th anniversary of the MTV Movie Awards. That popcorn I wanted since I was a kid, the first time that it went through my family's doors,

it had my name on it. And that meant something to me. So that right there, I was like, every award that they wouldn't give my guy I'm going to go and grab them so that's there's no shadow

it's only pushing the name and I'm I got the name in Star Wars right now I got the name in Godzilla I got our name in places it hasn't been before and I want to continue to do that can you explain to me why and where all of that comes from like the need to push your father's name forward as your father is a symbol for black pride for black excellence for

pride and excellence in general like the can you explain it to me why is it so important to you my name too junior there's no heavier two letters in the alphabet put together than jr and he's even had moments where he has thought about you know me having my own identity which i still feel that i do We're vastly different people, but still the same ideologies about how you're represented or how you look because the things that we do in the media that we are both in, the things that we do are going to be out there forever. They don't go away. So it has to be something that when you look back, you can be proud of. And I'm not cowering away from the challenge. And it's important because if you push, when the name has weight, things move for it.

And the more I can add weight to that physical thing, it'll make things easier for my daughter. It'll make things easier for my siblings. When you have one Titan carrying the name doing all those things, if you can have two, now you get a third like you know that so i just have to keep it going forward and with my kid i'm not if she don't want to do entertainment that's not going to do anything to me entertainment is kind of sucks kind of sucks it's a blessing but there's just certain things people don't understand when they're on the outside that your privacy you you that's your sacrifice it's gone the mistakes you made magnified everywhere you can

be the main character of the internet which is scary as hell you never be the main character of the internet so it is it's a jellyfish it's beautiful to look at it looks amazing you get wrapped up in it it will kill you so if my kid doesn't want to do entertainment i'm not going to put that on her but whatever she does decide to do i'm a help with it but as far as this business i have to push this name for it as far as i can to make life easier for her her name's jordan right No pressure of name there, right? She's not named after Michael. No, her real name's Kobe Jordan.

Yeah, I know. Her real, listen, listen, listen. What an asshole. What an asshole her father is. Her name is Kobe Jordan. You didn't do that. Her name is Kobe Jordan. Her name is Kobe Jordan.

But when she was born, her mom had a dog named Kobe, so she didn't want to put the Kobe on it. But like, we both know, like, so when she's, He's 18. I'm going to explain to her this story. So I'm like, if you want to go get your name, go get your name. Your name's Kobe Joy. You've mentioned... I have a tweet about it. You've mentioned a couple of times now that your father's got you in music, but you're coming after him in movies. I suspect in the home, if I know anything about the trash talking family around sports at all that you've shown me from the outside, I suspect you've already told your father that if you have not surpassed him, you will surpass him in movie making. Do I have that wrong? Are you too respectful to do that? He's such a, he's my biggest fan. He's my biggest fan. He, when I did straight out of Compton, he said, it's like, it's like watching my son win the Super Bowl with my team, you know?

So he's so happy for me, but I will say when I did get, when I got Godzilla, he did just happen to switch agencies. I'm just, I'm just saying. But it, but he, uh, he's my big. biggest support he's always had my back but between you and i don't tell him but else it's just you and me here don't you got to get that fourth dene thieves he's he's had like he's done trilogies i don't think he's done a fourth one on anything i got to get that fourth i can take him out yeah take him out anyway yeah good talk make uh make coby jordan proud of her father uh last question on the way out i will tell the people again his passion project of the moment is the podcast uh no test wrestling, your obsession with wrestling, your need to have a microphone and speak of the daily

storylines. Where does it come from? And why is it so important to you? Why does it matter? I've just always, I've always been a fan. And me and my friends, we have, like, pay-per-view watch parties. Like, wrestling is, like, our thing. It's been our thing. And when the strike happened when the actor's strike happened it was immediately after I finished filming Denna Thieves 2 and I had a show

out called Swagger Kevin Durant produced Apple TV the whole nine loosely based on him yeah yeah things had to change because of the pandemic so I was like

yeah but it's very loosely based on him so the second season aired during the strike we can't promote like sag rules we can't promote any of our work so it just happened to be you know just word a mouth of people telling people where to find it and yada er yeah but none of us can retweet it none of us can speak on it and we kind of just had to watch it just do something on your own hopefully because you know respect to Apple but they don't put trailers on a lot of things it's not a lot of like go here to see this show from Apple the the marketing just is just not there and so when swagger happened we're just kind of watching it it got up to Apple's top four so we're like all right let's go you know we're so

happy for it and then they canceled us and so it was like wow and now those phone calls or those that thought process of another season is gone and i'm not really having any meetings with movies because everybody's on strike so that's that's they're just fizzling out plans that i had to do other shows gone eight months no income every job that you had lined up slowly dying in front of you and i was scared i got scared again that that fear that will put that that internal fire I was telling you about that fear will put that right in you and I was scared again and so I had to look at what I'm what am I good at like I said the things that you're talented at or the things that you could probably make a career out of is something you're not

really paying attention to so I had to look inward what do I do every day that doesn't feel like work I talk shit on Twitter I talk shit on Twitter about wrestling every day for free so let's get paid to do that and um so i was i was just going to go on like twitch or some shit with my sister and just like ramble about wrestling and do it that way but then by the grace of god rich eisen rich eisen called and was like hey so i'm putting together a couple of different podcasts for the network and you know tj jefferson my tag team partner my dog he suggested suggested you for a wrestling show. And at first, I wanted to do something with my sister.

So I had plans with her, so I didn't want to do it. He was like, all right, well, if you change your mind. About a couple months later, he called back and was like, I need you. We got to do this. TJ won't budge. He says, you got the motion. You know what you're talking about. He thinks you can do it.

So I was like, all right, I'll do it. We worked out a deal. We found a way. I'm grateful for my man, T.J. We have our balance. I'm more of the new school. He's more of the old school. He's a little bit calmer than I am.

I'm a little aggressive. I admit it. You have to admit these things. And I've loved every minute of it. And we've got some motion in these wrestling streets. Tony Kahn invited T.J. out to their pay-per-view, all in. Triple H is me and him.

have had our rapport. He's invited me to a Saturday night main event. I'm going to go to Survivor Series. I'm going to miss SummerSlam because it's close to my daughter's birthday. And I don't play that shit. I'm a good dad. And then Mania. They've hooked us up with Mania, Royal Rumble. And so

it's been a beautiful thing. I've gotten to meet a lot of cool people. Definitely will say, hanging out with a bunch of fit people all the time has really gotten me into working out. And if I ever get to the point where I, like Luca Donchich, am on the cover of men's health? I'm going to tell the truth. Working out sucks. It's garbage. And you should do it. That's probably what the cover's going to say.

Okay. That's what you got for men's fitness. You're looking at those eight months, though. Those stayed with you, huh? Those eight months of no money when you thought everything's going to work out again. But you didn't think everything was going to work out. You thought, you thought those eight months, it was going to be raining money in opportunities. Never mind, no money in opportunity. No money. No money. And it's just how the game is. Even right now,

Dinnah Thieves 2, January, number one movie in the country, two weeks, all of that. And right now, I'm just focused on wrestling. Don't let it bother you. And the big fish will come. But I'm hitting up these indies, baby, because of Ingrid

goes west. That scary time after straight out of Compton, angry goes west that indie changed my life if it wasn't for eager goes west i wouldn't get i didn't i wouldn't get obi one canobi if it was for inger goes west those are words debor chowd told me so but that was total luck like it's total luck that's all entertainment is baby right place right time but that's legitimately you thought you had bad luck because somebody wanted to take a picture with you and then largely a misunderstanding becomes i have to take this role whether i want to wanted or not yeah it was great though yeah and they let me they let me do my thing in that

i'm trying to angry goes with no contest wrestling is the name of the podcast he is delightful thank you for sharing that delight with us wait uh-oh what's happening here got you a gift man you got me a gift oh thank you look at this yep ice cube bobblehead night ice but wait a minute this doesn't look like ice cube who is this here oh man listen i don't know what the factory got but they put the moles on its ice cube baby put them eyebrows

yeah pick me up wait a minute I don't mean to be mean about a gift but that looks more like a slim down Gabriel Iglesias than it does like you or your father I don't know what they do at the

bobblehead factory but here's a limited edition dodger bobblehead enjoy I am being rude by not accepting your gift Why have you given me a bobblehead of a Mexican man in a Dodger uniform? Listen, I'm not going to say he said the same thing, but we are grateful. We are grateful.

I was moved by your father walking out onto the field, representing Los Angeles World Series. And you told me these people have made him. It's been a great conversation. Thank you, sir. Always, man.