The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Stu Holden Shares Reasons For USA Soccer Optimism | Hour 2

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

"You wanna just call this a day?" After reviewing the greatest body cam footage ever featuring a one-armed woman's boss move over a police officer, Stu Holden joins the show to discuss U.S. Soccer, their potential success, and who the team should expect to step up during the World Cup. Also, Noche de Los Grandes lived up to the hype for Mike and Zas, Dan believes in robot officiating, and Jeremy learns the origin of Pilates. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This episode of the Dan Levitard show is presented by Draft Kings. Draft Kings. The Crown is yours. Stu Holden is going to join us here in a little bit. U.S. Men National Team. midfielder from a while ago. He's the Fox Sports soccer coverage match analyst, and we're about 10 days from the World Cup, snuck up on us a little bit. It seems like just a few days ago, people were saying we're 100 days from the World Cup. We'll get to some of that in a second. But Zaz has been bothering me. I'm going to say for four days wanting to show me a video of someone getting ticketed. So I don't know what this video is. So good, Dan. It's so good.

Well, what is it? So this took place in Palm Beach County. A few months ago, a few months ago, took place. And it's just coming to light now because the woman who received the ticket was able to release the body camp footage because it was finally going to go to court. She was fighting this ticket, okay? And just, you know what, I'm going to let it play out for you here. And maybe we can talk over it for the audio audience. We can do that. But is this a visual joke? Is, will we be able to tell from the audio whatever it is that's interesting or good about this video? That's why we will speak with it, okay, for the audio audience. Let's hit it. So we have the police officer walking up to the car.

Hey, good morning. I'm there you guys out with the Bumpus County Sheriff's Office. This is why you being pulled over. The city of Lakewoods today we're doing an operation for distracted driver and you drove past me and holding the phone with your right hand and manipulated that phone. I mean, I saw you with the phone. So obviously not. Oh my God.

So you want to just call this a day or? I don't want to call a day. You had a hand up. She doesn't have a hand. Well, I thought I saw you right hand. You had a hand out. So you didn't. The right hand.

I saw you manipulate. So you didn't. With the right hand, perhaps not, right? She shows the no hands again. She has a no. I know what I just said. I know what I said. I know what I said.

I'm asking you now. Did you not have you funny on your hand? I did not. You did not have you on your hand. Hands of God. You did not have fun at. Hand to God. Hands of God.

You're not have funny. Hand to God. That is an unbelievable video. That is an unbelievable video. That is comedically perfect. For those of you who are on only audio, she was showing him that she has half an arm. She does not have a hand.

And if she went to court with this, she would not be able to raise her right hand and give only the truth in front of the Bible because she doesn't have a right hand. And you would think the cop could come up and be like, I saw you holding your phone. But no, he's very specific. He said, I saw you holding your phone with your right hand.

And she, like she's done this before, comedically lifts up the right arm to be like, you idiot. She doesn't say I don't have a right hand. She shows him. but he's just like us, so stubborn about admitting that he's wrong, that he's like, I saw it. You're going to deny that you had a phone in that hand, and she's not saying out loud.

I don't have a hand. I don't have a hand. She goes, we're good here then, right? Like right away, she's like, we're good. You want to just call this a day? All right, so just, I want to play this again. Let's run it back. For the audio audience and just have the knowledge

that this woman is smiling and looking at the police officer, and when she rebuts him, what she does is she holds up half a right arm, which is the only amount of arm that she has on the right side of her body. Hello, ma'am. Hey, good morning. I'm there. Riga Zahlerk's office. This is why you being pulled over.

The city of Lakeport today, we're doing an operation for the distracted driver, and you drove past me holding the phone with your right hand, manipulated that phone. Yes, sir. I mean, I saw you were talking about. So you want to just call this a day? I don't want to call a day. You had a hand up manipulative. You just had my right hand. Well, I thought I told you right hand.

So you didn't. The right hand, I saw you manipulate. So you didn't. With the right hand, perhaps not, right? You didn't see you in my right here. I'm saying that you saw me with her right hand. I know what I just said. I know what I said.

I'm asking you, you're not. Did you, did you, or not have you phone on your hand. I did not. I did not have you found your hand. Hand to God, you did not have funny. Hand to God. The other hand to God. You have your hand to God.

Cool. You have your brought lots of race race. Yes, I do. Cool. Tell the guest bookers to try to get her, please. I'd like to talk to her. because she thrust her nub at him aggressively because twice he should have seen like, look, I'm showing you.

But then if she had a whole hand, that gesture might have come with a middle finger. Right hand would have had a middle finger. No, because she thrust. She's done it before, dude. She knows how to comedically make someone feel like shit about her one arm. She's done what before? Most people notice that she doesn't have her right hand

and probably aren't going to point out that she doesn't have a right hand. You called Dida Nub. We went through this before. What do we call it? It's a residual limb. Residual limb. We covered this in H.R.

I will not call it a residual limb. Crazy, Zaz. H.R. All right, you know what? I'm going to watch this with Stu Holden. I'm just going to get his reaction to this video because have you seen this, Stu? Did you just see it? I have seen it.

I have seen it multiple times. It's enthralling content. She still got the ticket. That's wrong. That's so wrong. But last week, because this video now went viral, the officer decided to drop the case. That is such a stubborn police officer. I'm embarrassed on behalf of Hispanics for how stubbornly Hispanic a male that police officer.

When I heard the accent, I was like, hey. Hey, he like doubled down too. He didn't just instantly, you know, be like, no, you're right. He went back and he's like, but I saw you with the right hand. She's like, no, physically I could not. No, and then he says hand to God. Other hand. So tell me what's going to happen.

Thank you, Stu, for joining us. What is going to happen with the United States soccer team? Does that win over Senegal mean anything to you? Oh, man, you guys really set me up with a heck of a transition there. We're going from that to straight into the U.S. national team. Awesome. No, look, the U.S. team last night, we're back on track, all right? We got a good win against a top 15 world opponent.

Senegal, the African champions. I think it's kind of the big question about this team in the United States is not, you know, not do we have talent. We have some talented players. We have some players playing at the biggest clubs we've ever had before. But, like, can we beat big teams? That's how you win a World Cup. Only eight nations have ever won the World Cup. We're Americans.

We're exceptionalists. We think we're the best at everything. We're not the best in the world at men's soccer yet. We're on the way up. And I think last night I feel a lot better this morning about our chances and getting out of the group and doing something that this country has never done before, which is, you know, getting past the quarterfinal. That's the best case, correct? The best case scenario is just getting out of the round, right? Yeah.

Dan, you make a great point. I feel like it's hard to contextualize that sometimes with people. And it's like, wait, so we're like just happy getting to the quarter final. or a semifinal, like that's a good thing. It is a good thing. Like, the World Cup has been going since 1930. Only eight nations have ever won a World Cup. So, like, you're talking about the very, very best of the best, and it's an elite club.

It's Germany's Argentina, Spain, England's won at once back in 66. So, like, this is a tournament that I think for us. It's about trying to do something we've never done before. We've only ever won one knockout game in our history. We have an easy group this year. I wouldn't say easy, okay? It's a favorable group. And home soil, home cooking is something we haven't had since 94 World Cup.

And I think with that, I've been watching the scenes in New York with the Knicks being back in the finals for the first time since the 90s. You've seen what that city's like, people celebrating on the streets. If the U.S. men start to pick up a little bit of momentum, this country is going to go nuts. I'm telling you. People are going to be out on the streets. They're going to be at watch parties at bars. They're going to be filling up restaurants like this. Something special could happen.

but yet this team needs to win. Fox has the World Cup this year. He's the lead match analyst. Since I've been covering the World Cup in U.S. soccer, we always have a good goalkeeper, a Premier League goalkeeper. How do we not have a goalkeeper? Like, how do we not know who the goalkeeper is going to be? Yeah, this is something, I don't know,

we need an entire podcast devoted to this. Your audience might get a little bit bored after our first, like, fifth minute on. Like, we've always been known as like, we've had good goalkeepers. We weren't, you know, we've improved so much on the outfield aspect, but yet it's always been Tim Howard's, Brad Friedles, Casey Keller's, guys that have gone and played at the biggest clubs.

And I always used to think we have so many youth sports that involve our hands, right? Football, basketball, baseball. And then we would peel off some of those athletes that would come and play soccer and just got thrown in goal because we had giant guys that were good with their hands. I think what you're seeing now is almost a transition of kids who are playing soccer and choosing soccer from a young age and maybe not specializing in soccer and we've lost that elite goalkeeper.

We just don't have it. Like even yesterday in the game, Maricio Pocetino, he played two different goalkeepers. We're 10 days from the start of the World Cup. We played two different goalkeepers. I think he might even play a third goalkeeper in the game against Germany coming up, which is their send-off,

which is all to say, even at this point, he still does not know who his best goalkeeper is. That's a problem. In soccer, you want to look by, behind you and you want to have the confidence and a feeling and a keeper that can make the big save, that commands the box, that puts fear into the opponents, and that's something we don't have. And we're not going to have this tournament. So the question is, can one of these guys, whoever he ends up picking, step up and deliver? Because goalkeeper's not a position you change

often throughout tournaments. Like, if you pick a guy, that's your guy. And I don't even know right now, I couldn't even tell you who he's going to pick. I would have picked Matt Freeze. and now he's played Matt Turner and then this kid who made his debut yesterday, Chris Brady from the Chicago Fire. So it's anybody's guess who's going to start on day one. Stu, compared to when North America was awarded this year's World Cup, where are we as a team compared to where we thought we were going to be? Yeah, so we were awarded the World Cup eight years ago back in Russia and that was a World Cup that we did not qualify for for the first time in 30 plus years. That was a huge moment in this country, a bit of a wake-up call. of, wow, we think we're doing so great

and we've made so many strides and then boom, we didn't qualify for the World Cup. 2022, we took the second youngest team at the tournament. And a lot of the talk, which I didn't like at the time, was about this golden generation, which was dubbed because we wanted to believe in something. So we had this group of kids,

and it was like, okay, this World Cup is the setup for 2026, but it's all about this tournament. This has been a huge moment in soccer circles in this country for years because we feel like this is a moment that soccer can take the next. next step in this country. Like, I just want to take you quickly back to 94.

We didn't have a men's professional league. We didn't have a women's professional league. Now we've got multiple men's professional leagues, multiple women's professional leagues. Valuations touching a billion dollars on the men's side. Women's professional soccer is now 200 million plus if you want to get into the league. But yet, I still think the expectations are similar for this team. And that's also a little bit of a problem. We've got to start developing elite players with the rest of the world.

So we have a better team. and to answer your question, based on where I thought we might be eight years ago, I thought this group of players from four years ago would have taken another step, and I would have been saying pretty confidently, I think we can get to a quarterfinal, but yet I'm still thinking,

I don't know, is Weston McKinney and Polisicic and Baligan, Chris Richards, are they that much better? They're more mature. They've played more games, but are they better players? We're going to find out this summer. I think the answer is yes, but it's up to them to deliver in these types of moments. and we've got a coach that I think can get us over that line.

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That free kick hit him right in the cock-a-doodle-doo. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugat. Polisic came in writing pretty fourth form for a club. He had a goal yesterday, his first goal since Shabuzi. He had the number one song in America. He had the assist. He looked good yesterday. What are you expecting from Christian Polisick in this World Cup?

Yeah, I love that. Look, this is one of the unique things about soccer. You play for your club and then you play for your country, but you don't play as often for your country. But when you play for your country, it's the biggest and the most important thing you can do. Look, representing my national team in a World Cup and standing there with my hand over my heart and the national anthems playing was the greatest honor I've had in my life. And I think about that and this group of players does still have a unique ability that when you put

that red, white and blue on, Polisic was coming in in a career all-time drought. Hadn't had a goal this entire calendar year. His last goal was December. He puts on the red, white, and blue. They played against Senegal. He's back with his boys. And he was like a man on fire from the first minute of that game. He delivered an assist in the sixth, scores a goal in the 23rd minute, and like he looked back. I don't know if you saw his celebration. The guy goes running to the corner flag. He's air fisting, punching. He looked like he needed that release. So I tell you what, that goal was more important for anything than him getting that goal because this happened ahead of 2022. He was in a bad drought for his club. And then he put on the national team and he was like

ready to go. So that gives me a better feeling about Polisic. I wasn't sure what we were going to get from him this summer. I'm surprised to hear you say that. A calendar year is not a drought, Stu, like a calendar year without a goal, no goals since December. Like, that's... That was big deal. Yeah, Dan, he was playing for, he was one of the best players in the league. And he had some stuff allegedly going on off the field and we know how that can affect you on the field at times. But man, like the pressure, the weight of expectation that he was feeling on a continual basis, I was worried about this guy. He's so up and down. But like to see him get that one and almost bust the can out and come out and show that and remind U.S. fans,

hold on a minute. I'm going to be the man this summer. That's a better sign. But yeah, you're right. That's not just, oh, he hasn't scored in five games. That's, that's, we're talking about six and a half months of not scoring a goal. What is the strongest thing and the weakest thing about the U.S. team? So I think the strongest thing is that I love Marisa Pocitin, a lot of headlines. He selected 10 defenders out of 26 guys. And that, that might on paper look like, wow, we're going to be super defensive team. I think it's also a recognition that, look, when we're playing Mexico, Panama, Honduras, Costa Rica, teams on this side of the pond, we can be the aggressor. We can be the protagonist against the best in the world.

We just can't. And I think we have to level with the fact that the teams that we had in the past of, look, we're going to be hard to play against. We're going to be good defensively. We're going to punch you in the face when we get that chance and we're going to score that goal. And I think that was a recognition that that can be the strength of this team is that grittiness, that fight, that that hunger to not give you an inch on the field. If we have that, that's going to be our strength. Our weakness, I think, is going to be the goalkeeping position is I'm still not sure we have a guide and in a game where we're under a lot of pressure that can deliver that big safe. We don't know who the keeper's going to be.

We don't. That's as a number. Do a lot of other teams have this problem? Do a lot of other countries have this problem? it's 10 days out who's our keeper no there's not a single team at the world cup other than us i don't think that has this big of a question over our goalkeeping position except maybe mexico because they call back a guy that's 40 plus years old and memo at choa but i i don't think he's going to start in play it's it's a it's a head scratcher honestly wait a second they

called ochoa back i know what about what about compos where's compost that's basically the same thing They're bringing back Jorge Campos of this generation. Memo Cho called him off the beach. You're like, hey, man, you want to play in another World Cup? He's like, yeah, sure, why not? He threw a cigarette butt under the sand at the beach like that. Hey, he should call back Tim Howard. Let's call Tim Howard and see what he's up to.

Stu is the fact that Tim Ream got called captain, an indicator that he's going to play a lot. This, you know, he's a bit divisive in U.S. soccer, Twitter. I believe he's older than Freddie Adieu. So do you expect Tim Riem playing a lot? Hey, man, Freddie, you do. We're going on the way throwbacks, huh? You know, Tim Rame was my teammate.

That's how old he is. I'm 40 years old. He was, we played together at Bolton and the U.S. national team. But look, the guy still gets it done, man. And I just think with a team of players. And here's the thing. Like, normally in soccer, your best player ends up being the kind of de facto captain. Like, Messi is not a captain in the traditional sense that a guy that's going to

shout and scream and yell. and getting guys faces all the time. But he's a guy that leads by his play on the field. Polisica had been a captain. Tyler Adams was the captain at the last World Cup. And I think for these guys, what Pucatino said is, look, we got old man Ream here. He's 38 years old. He's going to be a leader on the field.

He might not play every single game, but he's going to play a lot. But you know what it does by making him the captain? It takes the pressure off the rest of the guys that don't want to be that captain. I think I'm tired of asking guys to be something they're not. Polisic is just not going to be that type of captain. captain. And I think the qualities ream brings are bigger in the sense of locker room and leadership. And he's not afraid to like stand there with the arm pan, puff his chest up and say, I'm the captain today and lead this team. So I'm okay with him being the captain at 38.

One of the things that I always talk to retired athletes about is how they exercise now that they don't have to exercise professionally. Do you still run or did you like do you do you still just decide to go out and run 10 miles for the hell of it. Yeah, you want me to bust out the six-pack? Dan, I work hard for this, man. I have had 15 knee surgeries in my career, if you believe it or not. So I had four ACL tears. I have a knee replacement now on my left knee.

I did that with the view of being active and maintaining the workout, but also to be a sports dad and be on the sidelines with my kids and run around without pain. I had a period there for a year where I couldn't walk. I was limping. And so, yeah, I get up, I go run 10 miles. I'm actually playing in a charity soccer match on Wednesday, the congressional game in D.C. I do Pilates. I do yoga.

I run five or six miles at least two to three times a week. I play tennis. I've gotten into Padell. I don't know if you've hopped on this bandwagon yet. A lot of former pros have jumped on the Padell. It's like a glass-walled tennis game mixed between that and squash. It's big in Miami. So, yeah, I stay active.

say mentally sane. It's my accountability. If I don't get a workout in, I'm kind of feeling a little off that day. So I'm still my playing weight. I like to brag about that. I'm still 165, man. Let's go. Nice to see you, Stu. Thank you again. He is the lead match analyst

for Fox Sports, and they've got the World Cup, and it starts in 10 days. Thank you, sir. Thank you, guys. It's going to be awesome, man. I can't wait. I've got to start studying now. So we'll talk to you soon. Appreciate it. See you later. Let's find a goalkeeper. We need to find. We don't don't have a keeper. We've got 10 days to find one. Jeremy, would you do me the favor of looking up the origins of Pilates? Because I think, I can't remember the story off the top of my head, but it's an interesting story on how it is that Pilates started as a professional exercise craze. I have not yet gotten to something that Zaslow and Mike Ryan would not shut up about last week. I don't know how La Noche de los Grandes, went. How did it end up going? Oh, what a night.

When wrestling is cooking like that. It is just a tremendous art form. What a story was told in Monterey, Mexico this past weekend. They love their luchadores, Dan. Let me tell you something. And Saturday night, you had game seven, and then game seven, it ended just a little bit after the show started. So then you put your full focus on AAA, Mosque, and Mosque. And it, Dan, it delivered in a very big way. It was very bloody, okay? And mask versus mask, of course, the loser has to get demasped. It's like the ultimate, what would be the best way to put it?

Shame. Yeah, yeah, shame. It's the ultimate shame. You can never wear the mask again. Your identity gets revealed. Dan, the original El Grande Americano is Chad Gable. A stunner. It was Chad Gable.

Wow. He had his family. He had his family in the ring with him as he unmasks. And his son was dressed up in full gear with the mask. His son took his mask off also. It was such great theater, Dan. The entrances were incredible. The callbacks to this six-month-long program individually,

even though they've been telling the story even longer. There was some real shoot emotion, I think, from Chad Gable, because it's kind of unfortunate what happened to him. He created, well, he was the original Grande Americano. This gimmick was created. He got it over, and then he got hurt. And as a rib, they had some guy take on the mantle. A German guy.

And then he got super over with the crowd. He's a national hero in Mexico, despite not being Americano. He love him. Or Mexicano. He's actually German, but it's all ridiculous. He's a German playing an American portraying a Mexican. Wait, wait, say that again? That's cultural appropriation.

I think that's... You bet it is. Yes, 100%. 100%. There was six people involved in this feud. There was like Bruto. And Julio. And Julio. Dan, there are two British guys, a German and three Americans.

No one's Mexican. And they love it there. It was in Monterey this show. They love it there in Mexico. You can't have the German be American in Mexico, in Mexican wrestling. You cannot have the German be the American. in Mexican wrestling.

But in wrestling, you can. And in Mexico, you can have them eat it all up. And by the end of it, even though they hated the original Grande Americana. They boo the hell out of him. They started chanting his name, his real name. The Germans. No, no, the original.

The Mexicans. The Mexicans started cheering for the American. The Mexican, there was no Mexican. No, the Mexican fans. Only the fans are Mexican. Yeah. And they were, they were. just so appreciative of this tremendous story that was told. If you watch one wrestling match from

the weekend, watch that one, it's on YouTube, it already has over a million views. It's such great theater. It was fantastic. And then they put his name on the big screen for everybody to see Chad Edward Gable. Now what happens to his great shame? Like he's there, he's bloody, he's maskless. Well, the weird thing is, while this is huge in Mexico, he's going to go over to WWE programming, and it's kind of a bizarre thing. He'll be unwrought tonight. We don't give a shit. They don't really care. Now, Raw is in Europe for like the next month, I think.

So we'll see how this all works out for Chad Gable, who legitimately is an Olympian. Like, he is a tremendous. He's a great wrestler. He's a tremendous wrestler. And hopefully this. But no one gives a shit. No one gives a shit about him or the actual over Grande Americano in the United States. They come out, they're curtain jerking.

They do like four minutes on the screen. They run out and no one really cares. But on weekends, on YouTube and in Mexico. Mexico. This is the best thing going. We were in my house. Me and my son, I had a friend over his kid, too. We were cheering and yelling at midnight on a Saturday night for these two guys in masks. It was awesome. No one cares, you say, and yet I believe we have done a better job covering this than any mainstream American sports outlet. The German who's playing an American in Spanish. Portraying a Mexican. In Mexico, portraying a Mexican. I text it Pablo. I'm like,

you have to get on this. Like, this thing exists, and it's a beautiful thing, and it's all about the connection to the fan base. And only wrestling can really do this. You have grown men also wearing masks in the audience. Only wrestling should do this, to be clear. All of it is asinine. That kid, his son, should not have also been shamed by having to take his mask.

The son was in the rig standing next to his sister. The kid was maybe seven years old. He's wearing the wrestling gear. The singlet. Yep, he's wearing the singlet and the mask. And he took off the mask. Tony, you know that moment at a party or a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks? I know it well. It's usually when I show up. Everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it.

But it's because Tony usually walks in with Quervo. I'm walking like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. It has that effect on people. It does. You usually take the credit for it. But again, it's the Cuervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it quervo.

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It's a good algorithm. This is the Dan Lebatar show with a Stugats. Adam Schaefter is reporting that A.J. Brown is likely to be traded to the Patriots in the next 24 hours. Before we talk about that, though, can we find the origins of Pilates, please? Yeah, well, speaking of Germans, this was developed by a man in Munkeng, Globock, Germany, who was being held in Nakaloo internment camp on the Isle of Man during World War I, his name Joey Pilates. And he was helping veterans, right? He was helping people who were injured during the war, who may have had one arm and been ticketed by a Hispanic police officer in Palm Beach wrongly because they couldn't do some of the other exercises that were being done.

And so he was doing core strength exercises to help wounded veterans. Really important correction that Mike gave me here in the back. Mouschen Gladbach. I'm glad we got that right. I was watching Tony during that, and he was impressed that you tried it. Like I saw Tony looked at you with something. It's a rare time where I felt like Tony was looking at you with admiration, thinking that you were a bit brave because you didn't just skip past that.

You didn't have to try to pronounce that. There are all sorts of ways you could have worded that without trying to pronounce it. But Tony, it's hard to get Tony to be impressed by anybody around here. He seemed impressed that you showed the courage to try. Navigated the speed bump of the internment camp too. I would have been worried about that. Like, what is that? You know, where are we out there?

What is that? I'll give you a book. No, no, I know what it is. I'm saying, where are we with that? Yeah, no, it's a good point. I appreciate that. I appreciate the admiration. I know what it is.

The greatest generation. What was the details that are relevant here to the audience? where I saw somebody was going to win $1.7 million if the Spurs part of a, was it a four-leg? Yeah, just real quick, I just want to confirm. That was not a joke. His name is Joey Pilates. Yep. All right.

Confir. Well, Pilates wasn't famous until he named it Pilates. Still a ridiculous name. It is a ridiculous name. But Pilates wasn't around before Joey Pilates made it Pilates. Yeah. But he's Joey Pilates. I know.

But Pilates was a lot of. wasn't a real word. Like nobody knew what Pilates was until they knew what Pilates was. But it sounds like a rib. Hey, who invented Pilates? Joey Pilates. We also learned on Friday that orange was named after the fruit, that the color was named after the fruit, not the other way around. It's a chicken and the egg situation, Dan. It's an orange and... They just called it red yellow. And a color situation. The bet, what are the details of a 1.7 million dollar parlay? Yeah. That was one when the Spurs won that game. You have to hedge that. Do you not? If you're, if you're wagering

$2,500, what are you shrugging your shoulders? How much you even hedge on that? A $500 grand on the other team to win? You either get $1.7 million if the Spurs went on the road, or you get nothing. I feel like you need to hedge that. Dan, if you're in the state of Florida, we call that rewards. And you're buying shares. And it's not a parlay. It's a combo. all on the new Draft King's sports app now live in all 50 states. So this was from Draft Kings, all right? This guy called the Parley Prince.

That's his name on IG. Or combo cadet, if you're in the state of Florida. And so he had a four-leg combo, which was placed, am I doing that right, Mike? He had a four-legged combo that was placed back in February. It was for the U.S. men's hockey team to win the gold. Check. It was for Michigan's men's men's.

basketball to win the tournament? Check. It was for the Knicks to win the Eastern Conference. Check. And the final was the Spurs winning the West. He laid down $2,500 back in February. The payout was $1.7 million. He was being offered a cash out, as the video audience can see, of over $600,000. You got to take that.

Now, he was the big. winner. He didn't take it. Apparently he didn't hedge either. So he won 1.7 million, but that's like bad process right result. Well, the math on this, I'm a, I am bad at this, okay? Not just math, but wherever it comes to taking one of these wagers and getting out early, I generally don't want to risk it everything on all or nothing. But when you're offered that as a cash out, I would have thought. thought that you might make a bet a little more than that, that the amount that was the cash out, you might bet $700,000 to see what it is that you can do with, you could do better

than their cash out. I think that there are mathematical permutations that allow you to do better than what they're offering you as a cash out there. You're saying, I'm going to put 700 grand, but it's going to net me 1.7 or 1.4. However it is, however it is that you find your. middle there, but I, how are you guys as gamblers? Because Mike likes to bear his fangs and scream at me. I never cash out. Nick Wright does the same thing. I never cash out. Why? It's all or nothing. It's all, they're proud about it. They're defiant about it. I actually took one of my first cashouts

ever over the weekend and it ended up costing me. I, like, Fonseca came back at Roland Garros and it ended up winning me a combo. Okay, but if you were faced with this exact scenario this guy was face with $600,000 to cash out or let it all ride for $1.7 million. You're not cashing out? Probably am cashing out. That's just the, when I'm getting offered cashouts, it ain't that total. Like, it's very easy for me to talk tough when the cash out offers, you know, $17. Well, but I'm not cashing out for $17.

No, but you do talk tough. No, no, but you don't do it for $17. I've seen you. Relatively compared to that. The way that you talk, no, the way that you talk about, I don't take cash out. And the way that Nick Wright talks about, I don't take cash out, makes it seem like you are an all or nothing person in these circumstances. Also, I just don't think that it's not the smart math play, the cash out thing. I just disagree with that.

Well, but the thing I would say to you, though, if it's nothing, if I have a chance at $1.7 million or nothing, I almost feel obligated. If my original offer was $2,500, I'm going to put down like $200,000 so that I'm 10-timesing my money. I'm going to get something. I'm not going to be that close to something and then walk away, just totally despondent. I might not take that cash out, cash out, but I'm going to do something to mitigate my losses if they lose a game seven on the road. Ah, live big. I just don't like taking the cash out. I like that the books offer that.

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If you don't hedge, you don't take the cash out and you lend it ride for $1.7 million. You love Cornett, though. The roof blew off when Cornett had that bull-hug. The roof blew off. And they let Hartinstein double dribble. Let's call it as we see it. Fox went out of bounce.

On that play, it was clear. Learharnstein double dribble, he got what he deserved. And that was Cornet, putting it right back in his face. How do you feel about Fox stepping out of bounds? Yeah, it's missed call. And then what happened? Struz. How do they justify that?

How do they justify that? Pablo, get on that. I've never seen anything like that. They changed his score 10 minutes later. It was like eight game minutes later. They changed it. They do some of that, though. It's usually not that much longer.

But the foot on a line on a three, like that's something that they... How about when the foot's not actually on the long? Did you guys see that Silver said what it is that I brought up last week of we're going to end up when the officiating is just all computerized? Like, it's going to happen. I don't know when it's going to happen, but it's going to happen. You're in agreement it's going to happen now, right? When Adam Silver is saying to you, yeah, we're looking at all of this because you can't have referees making these kinds of mistakes. You're asking me if I think Adam Silver is going to get something done, that's what you're asking me.

No, if technology is going to get it done. It's not going to be Adam Silver getting it. it done. It's going to be whatever the technology is that five years from now, ten years from now, we're just not going to get these calls as wrong as we get them when there's there's too much riding on it. And even if there's not too much riding on it, the amount of money you're going to save on just, on just referees flying all over the country when you don't need them to be doing that anymore? Like when you just, it's when AI replaces all labor, and I've told you this, if you're not reading about AI, please don't because it's going to ruin, uh,

how it is you think about our future because we are not in any way prepared for the amount of labor that's going to be taken by the robots. But referees, I think, will be relieved when they're taken over by the robots. AI needs to progress, though, because now, like if you're arguing with AI over a call and it says that's a foul, no, it wasn't. I'm sorry, you're right. That wasn't a foul. It does need to progress. I will not dispute that. We are not in any way ready for this now.

but I do believe that we are going to laugh at the way we used to do it. There's going to be a time when people look back and say, wait a minute, referees were flying from city to city. These three sad guys were just flying around from city to city to get calls wrong everywhere, to get everything wrong. And we could have done this with computers a long time ago. I think we're going to look back on it the way we look back at cursive handwriting. I think we're going to look back on it the way that we look back at all sorts of things

that are now just totally antiquated. we need to bring back Jack because all the stuff that's happening now, I don't want anymore. I want cursive handwriting. I want flip phones. All right, I want a car that's not going to shut off when I'm driving. You think that people are going to long for referee mistakes in a few years? I long for cursive. I'm keeping alive. You long for cursive? I only writing cursive. How old is the kid who can't read cursive or teenager? Like, how old is the... Well, it also depends in which state you're living in. Like the Draft King's app, which is now available in all 50 states.

I think my younger son would have trouble reading cursive. But I'm asking what the age is. Like, if I say to you... You think it's a kid? I don't know. You, when I say kid, I meant 14. No, there's like a generation of adults that the public school system down here stopped teaching cursive for a bit.

It might be back in some places. I think it is actually coming back. They taught us cursive in Westwood. Yeah, yeah. I know. The M. The Z. Oh, the Q. Always tricky. You guys can't foresee the day where they're just like drones flying over the court, videoing everything.

Basketball's kind of tough for that. Like how's AI, like the humans can't figure out SGA. I'm not sure the computers are. The drone's going to call technical fouls on a player? Did we learn nothing from Westworld? Like nothing. Going for two when you're up by five. Switching the zone when man isn't working.

Oh, and building your new stadium in a state you're doing. team actually plays in. In sports, some things just make sense. You know what else makes sense? Drinking Yeagermeister shots. Ice cold. Drinking it any other way would be like, punting on first down, or letting

your worst hitter bat first, or like going for two when you're down three with a second to go. It wouldn't make any sense. So don't let the team down. When it comes to Yeagermeister, drink it cold, or don't drink it at all! Yagermeister, damn, that's cold.

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