The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Best of DLS: The Sodfather + Stephen A. Smith + Bert Kreischer

Episode Date: November 24, 2023

It's the day after Thanksgiving. You're tired. So sit back relax and enjoy some Best Ofs. We have Stan Van Gundy giving hot movie takes, Dan tells Stephen A. Smith he doesn't like what he's done to sports television, and we talk to Bert Kreischer about how Dan ruined his podcast with Bill Burr. But that's not all. We also discuss why Will Arnett hates Dan, why Adnan Virk hates Tom Cruise, why The Sodfather hates Eddie Mangan, and why Mike Schur hates David Samson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. These side marios all you can eat is all you can munch a soup, salad, and garlic This is the Dunlabel tour show with the Stugat's Podcast! Let me touch you with Stucas, starring our best hate hot takes. Big Gundie hates the banshees of NSU-Ring. I don't know. With former Epi coach, stand in gundie. I have a couple of guys, one that I work with, the TNT, a young guy, and then a friend of my daughters, they're both like, you know, sort of amateur film critics, they watch like virtually everything that comes out and they give you the reviews. And so they were both telling

me, oh, you got to watch banshee's of Innes Sharon. So I'm like, all right, not usually what I would pick. I watch that movie on a plane ride. I don't get it. I had to text both of them and say, you gotta tell me what it is you like about this movie. It's getting great repressing. It's getting great repressing. It was terrible. I mean, that's a terrible,

it was the worst movie. I have seen it a long time and it's one of those, I stuck with it, I wanted to quit. Stan has not spent an hour into the movie. I'm like, well these two guys, you know, like they're really into movies and you know, they, they really analyze these things. It must get better at the end. No, it kept getting worse. It was absolutely a horrible movie. And it's nominated in all these awards. Then I watched the woman king And it's nominated all these awards. Then I watched the Woman King and I love that movie.

And it's nominated for nothing. I mean, by all of Davis can't get a nomination, but the guys and banshees of in a sure end do, you gotta be kidding. I am here. I am here for Stan Van Gundies acidic reviews of movies that are universally applauded getting ratings in the 90s because it's too depressing and Stan Van Gundy has no

no time for your art stuff. Here's what happens, Stan. Here's what happens. Everybody watches that movie and think it sucks. But the thing is, is they, the critics all take, oh, this movie's great and the cinematography. You can't say. So you want to act like all sophisticated like you actually noticed.

Yeah, that's not true. So you say you like the movie. No one actually liked that movie. I like that movie. It was horrible. It was really good and it was funny. I think it was too nuanced to win over your head on a little tiny screen. Oh, I'm going to be trying to play on screen. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

You know, I just had to have that big screen up, man. You know what I'm saying? You want to be able to say like, oh, yeah, it's nuanced and all this. The score, the cost, it was nice. The score was great. And get it. Like, it's just, just admit it.

It was a terrible movie. Well, you like bohemian raps, it's a single minute of it. It was horrible. Like, what's wrong with saying that? Like, I don't know what the hell point they were trying to make, but this movie sucks. Dan hates what Steven Ace with is done to sports TV with sports journalists and ESPN talent. Steven Ace with I hate what you two have done to sports television. You can say that all you want to.

I would say who the hell are you to sit up there and say me and him? What about you? What the hell were you living under a rock teaching at that Miami you? You were part of it too. I'm talking. You ain't innocent. I'm talking about all the imitators that you have birthed, all of the imitators that are all over the place thinking without the journalism credentials that uh the the point of all this is to turn it into an argument on television.

Well, I would take on Bridget what you're saying in this regard, Dan. Those people who don't have a journalism background, um, who don't exercise, uh, journalistic ethics and beyond. How are we responsible for that? When our background is based on that, skip bail is was a journalist for decades. I was a journalist for decades. We come on television and those ethics are applicable. The fact that the matter is is that when I take a position, it's the same kind of position

I would take right in the column. The difference is, instead of writing 800 words and being limited to that space, I get to talk for a few minutes on each subject. When did it happen that I ignored the fact that I was a journalist for the Winston-Salem journal The Greensboro news and wreck it the New York Daily News and then affiliate alpha inquiry Before I went to CNN side and Fox Sports and then ESPN when was it when did it occur in my career? that I ignored The journalistic tenants that came with the job.

Oh, it's not ignoring them. It's that they shrink in the face of the need for the argument as entertainment. Did you destroy Bill Burr's podcast? I have been accused of, by the group here, of ending the podcast he did with Bill Burr. It was an unusual experience. I was backpettling the whole time. Bill Burr was unreasonably angry at me as he often is just generally, not at me. He's an angry comedian. And I don't know what this sound is, but I was the last guest on this podcast and the group is telling me that I ended the podcast.

Well, the Bill Burr podcast with Bill Burt and Burt Christy. It had a nice little run, but the last episode was June 2021 and Dan was the last guest. So I don't know, maybe contracts ran out or Dan just single handedly killed the podcast. Another fun thing about this sound though is the audio quality. You could tell their podcast,

you're like, it's all living in the pandemic before we figured out how to do audio from home. I'm telling you though, listen to this audio, like bills is bad and Dan's is bad. I just said that you seemed a little upset today because we had interrupted your grilling and also because the city of Boston had lost the moral high ground after throwing a water bottle at the very end. They had done so well. The bar was so low, Bill. The bar was so low, it was just Kyrie Irving said, please don't say racist or do racist things out loud. Do you know why the guy threw the water bottle?

Maybe he threw it because we gave up the team to bring him in and he was all moody and we lost all the momentum and we're still trying to rebuild. What about that aspect of it? There are plenty of reasons to be mad at Kyrie Irving and Boston that have... Oh no, no, that's not that. You know something, dude. I want to know where you live. Because I'm not saying Boston isn't f***ing racist, but this f***ing bulls**t that white guys like you try to do that racism exists only in the south and in Boston, Massachusetts is a crocus**. I've been on the rope for 30 f*** years and the f*** people have said to me.

And because I got my wife, you know, I got to go home to her and all of that f*** I had to learn how to f*** and navigate like knowing the N word was coming. And that happened to me in every f*** state. So don't come at me, Dan, with oh, Boston. You can't make it all white people. Hold on, hold on, get the f*** out of here.

The record Dan Levitard's Cuban and they're way's not all white people. Hold on. Get the fuck out of here. I think the record Dan Levitard's Cuban and they're way more racist than white people. Oh, I'm not. I'm not bad, man. Nobody came at you. And I know America's racist. I believe in it. Stop with this, poor shit.

That it's like everybody else can do their bull. Right? And then all of a sudden it's just like, oh my god. How about every time the Lakers win a Championship within 20 minutes a police car is turned upside down and on fire. What is that an expression of? Well, they're being treated out there Celebration I have ever understood we've all come out of it's because they're being oppressed and they're getting pulled over for nothing and getting the shit kicked out of them And that's what happens and then what happens is once again

They go down there. They're just trying to have a good time because they're a team won the championship And then they get this keep it moving five that they get every day of their life and next thing you know a police car is upside down So don't come at me with this all Boston again. Get the f***ing got it here. Well, Pam, it's you with anything Bill, I was saying hello. You did with the moral high ground like your heart was broken. My heart is not broken for what happened in the Boston Celtics game yesterday. My heart is broken is what happened in America over the last year. We come out of a pandemic and as soon as we do, we're throwing popcorn at Russell Westbrook. We're spitting on tray young and we're throwing bottles at Kyrie

Irving after what we just came out. All right. Well, in fairness to me, I don't watch the NBA because I think it's rigged. It's cast like a soap opera. Chris Cody mortified just realized that he forgot to edit any of the words Bill Burr just a're bad words. Just a couple. Well, the podcast listeners will have it bleep, because I'll do it in post. But yes, I did in the sound they just heard, forgot to believe it.

I love the visual of you backpedaling, because I could see it like Jalen Ramsey. Yeah. With a beeping sound, because that's how it is. I know. I know, Burr's, Bill Burr's publicist after that was like, okay, no more of these. I want you to picture me backpedaling in Jalen Ramsey's uniform away from an angry

billboard. Will Ornette hates Dan Livittor. Check, check, one, check, check. Doesn't Will Ornette hate you, Dan? Does he? Yeah, because yeah, you did an HQ interview with him. You only asked, you started grief, and the publicist was like, super mad about it.

At first, I'm hearing of it. Oh, we caused lots of problems. We lost a lot of guests, because of it. Dan didn't even know? Well, it was supposed to be to promote the Lego movie, and it said it was about his addiction. Addiction? Yeah.

What's with this Dan Levitard guy anyway? Just can't resist. With club sauce. Club sauce. I'm learning right now. You guys could probably reveal to me a top 10 of things like that that I would learn right now He had a very powerful Publices to make sure that you got no one for a very long time first. I'm hearing of it. Yeah, it helps because I asked Will are not about Addiction only about addiction. Yeah only about addiction. Why am I hearing this for the first time now?

You're always a lad. I don't know who you're trying to fool, but it's certainly not the first time we've made you aware that Will Arnett hates your guts. I love Will Arnett. And it's most certainly not the first time we told you the ramifications of Will Arnevig hating your guys. I am telling you with 100% honesty that I'm receiving this information. Don't you think? I think Sugatsuno is Will Arnevig. I've gotten so many people angry over the years that I simply forget. I have so many in the library that Will Arnevig who I love and I watch. I give no thought to when I'm watching him.

None. Zero. To that person hates me. I love and I watch I give no thought to when I'm watching him none zero to that person hates me I remember a terrible interview I hate Tom Cruise With Canadian sportscaster and host of Sinify And Ann Ferke I don't believe anyone's gotten it here even though though they have gotten it on Synafile, of your great distaste Ford Tom Cruise, because I believe people here will find it blasphemous. Yeah, absolutely.

I'm sure it'll enrage and it will not endear, but I am proud of my stance, which is this. I think he's a horrible human being, and I understand we'd like to separate art from the artist. And oftentimes I can do that. I recognize a lot of these people are not people that are worthy of adulation. But in the case of Cruz, once I watch the documentaries called Going Clear, the case against Scientology is by Alex Gibbity, it's readily available

to HBO and HBO Max. That film details just how cruel an abusive Scientology is. And how there's not a religion, it is a cult. And it deals with people in such an inhumane manner. And here's the biggest issue with it. If you try to leave Scientology, they harass you, they belittle you, they ridicule you, they cause undue damage to you. So why is that Tom Cruise's fall? Well, David Miskevich is the guy who runs Scientology, the cult leader, and of course,

even Tom Cruise are best buddies. Why is he going to be Cruise's is constantly airy? His guy, he is the less known Scientologist in the world. If Cruise just wants to hate Miskevich, let's take a knee. I'm not sure if some of these acts are appropriate. I'm not sure we should be doing this. Things would change.

Well, because Cruz is unwilling to do so, he's complicit in the damage that it causes and our few sustain idly binds. This guy's a great person. I will not deny, he is undeniably charismatic. He makes really entertaining movies. He's made a ton of money. He's worked with some great directors,

but he is such a ridiculous human being. And he stands for something I just can't abide by then I can't support the guy. I just can't do it The grass man falls out with good deal With George to mom A.K.A the Sartre father George, thank you God of side. That's right. Thank you for joining us Just give us your overall view of what's happening right now with this controversy, George And thank you again for making the time again

Well actually, I'm 94 years old and I've been in this game for 81 years. So I've seen a lot of grass But The NFL on playing fields went downhill 17 years ago and Roger Gidell took over Whoa me and Rod me and Roger Gidell were excellent friends. He took care of me What a great guy he was but in those last 17 years maybe times, we had bad playing fields. I mean, there's problems all over all the time.

I mean, last year at the Super Bowl, when I got out there, I said, this field can't be played on the sod, was excellent, but the stead of the sod being laid on a pool table was laid on the plowed up sod farm humps and bumps, and the two practice fields, four practice fields couldn't be played on because they were all a bumps and humps and things. George, George, we covered this with you last time you were on with us and you were very strong. We hate Eddie Mankin.

We are so down on Eddie Mankin and we know that you have some problems with this, but we need your expertise because the Super Bowl was a disaster and it's not your fault. You were embarrassed by it and you tried to do everything you could to prevent it. Right. You just said that the fields have gone under Gidele for 17 years. And I want to hold. I want to hold your feet to the fire here. Artificial turf. Dangerous for the players. More dangerous. Yes or no? Well, it's who maintains it and how you maintain it. It is

up to you and the team, but you have to maintain artificial turf that you like to do grass, but grass is better for the players. And I'll just say something now that this past year was a bad year for the NFL on grass. They had the bad game field, practice field, but they also had bad grass in Germany and bad grass in Texas. In our shop talk Eddie Mangin said the grass in Germany was trash. And the way he put it, he says the grass in Germany was like trash, like Wayne Ward is trash. Wayne Ward is a ground keeper for the Tampa Bay and he hates him. And then so and from other sources they said the field in Germany was bad. Plus from other sources the field in Texas was bad. But bringing this up with Roger Gidell, it didn't help. I'm in their little depression because for

the last two years now, Roger Gidell hasn't talked to me. I mean, I didn't murder anybody. If you murder somebody, they still talk to you, but this put me in a depression. I'm fighting for safe playing field and the last few years they didn't. And in my book they don't care, but Roger and I get there was close, but when I told him that Troy Vincent's not doing the job in his last ten years there and uh... uh... the lake's not doing this have safe playing fields he just blew me off here uh... not the top to me in two years ago over the situation that

it is i agree with you uh... so the nfl has both a goalla a grass problem and a roger cadet problem it sounds like rowaradica i was close but when i think he got mad at me when i said trea uh... troy v instant didn't do the job when he first took over the job uh... he was in cano haya and the bad artificial turf to logo they had a cancel the game. The next day when on TV and says, I'm new on this job and this will never happen again. But it did happen again. They went to Mexico

Council and then the last ten years, six times the field was bad. The only way this would get settled if I George P. Thomas can meet with the players union, the owners, the coaches and the even NCAA that play on these field and get all these people to get let me talk to them and tell me what the Pro that problems were and I could help them to leave you this problem, but you think that'll ever happen? No, because It needs to happen. It needs to happen. It needs with the owners, the players, the coaches and the NCAA. I know P. Yes, and everybody George, we love you. You're right. Close us out here. Punctuate the segment. Okay, one thing I like to say, if they don't do it, we have to take it to the government.

Yes, yes, yes. We have to take it to the government because of the plea for playing conditions and they don't give it down. For Kuberka! Yeah! Entering the players, George! They're entering them because they don't give it down, then. They don't. They don't give it down, but the only one that's going to

do is George P. Tom will have in the meeting and if they don't listen we go to the government and let the government bring us and they've been doing that for the last 17 years and Roger I don't know why you hate me for the last two years you haven't talked to me. We could have settled this problem years ago. Like gentlemen. Right, but just like Troy Vincent, don't care have a bad playing field, then I saved his fanny and sometimes they didn't give it them like the Super Bowl 50 where the field was bad And I say and people say it was sabotage

and who cares, but who cared in New York He had an eduercard a man to investigate this because he was so perturbed because it was played on his field and to get this because he was so perturbed because it was played on his field and said about what everybody know that they screwed it up and they didn't give a damn and it could have been sabotage. But again, again, they don't listen to me but I can straighten him out and I think the only way is take these people to the government and have bad working conditions.

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Don Lebatard! At the end of our conversation with Alex Smith, and we talked for about 30 minutes, but I feel like nobody is going to remember anything about that conversation other than how you fell flat at the end with your very last word. Listen to how Stugats here at the end of this interview says goodbye just exhausted to Alex Smith. That's two guts. What happened? Alex? I'm dead. I'm exhausted. I haven't stopped talking in a month. I mean I don't know to tell you. This is the down-lebuttar show with this two guys. with a stuga. My chair.

He's Samson. Hollywood show runner, Mike sure and David Samson post of nothing personal with David Samson, discuss corporate green sports. How does Mickey Ersson lose money every year? The expenses of running the heat

are greater than the revenue that he gets from running the heat. So the heat as an actual entity, the entity of the team loses money. Of course, you can argue that that's a worth of investment because the team is going to appreciate and value, but he can't take that appreciation and fund the losses. The way to fund the losses is either by more debt or it's by funding it himself with checks that he could write from other revenue that he gets from investment income from carnival salary income, whatever he does. He has to put money into the heat

in order to cover losses on a yearly basis. Eventually him, his family at some point, they could monetize that, but at this point, they're not. So he loses money every year, the expenses of running the team are greater than the revenue is what you're saying. Yes, I am saying that. And the majority of sports teams are like that. No, they are not. The majority of sports teams on paper report losses because laws were changed in the early 90s, allowing teams to, while, allowing businesses first

to do complicated accounting and amortize down assets and right off a bunch of stuff. And interestingly, in the early 90s, those losses, those paper losses, they're not real losses, they're paper losses, sports teams were excluded from that law, specifically because they knew exactly what would happen. And then, about a decade later, those laws were changed to include sports franchises. And you know who changed them? George W. Bush, the part owner of the Rangers, who did all of his buddies, immediately based on elsewhere, a big favor by allowing them to depreciate certain paper terms,

paper, assets, and claim that they were losses. Paul Beiston, the guy who used to run the Blue Jays, famously said, I can make a $4 million profit, turn into a $2 million loss using very standard and legal accounting practices. And that's what they all did. So when you say that the team's lose money, you're not including the fact that by losing money in quotes, what they're doing is writing down a bunch of paper losses on things that aren't actually losses, like the revenue that comes in from TV contracts, which is not in any way a depreciated loss.

So yes, technically, according to the law, they've lost money, but it's only because the accounting rules changed and allowed them to report as losses every year, things that are not actually losses. That's why they claim that they lose money every year when in fact they don't. And the way that you know that is pro-publica did this huge expo-ze very recently, where they talked about Steve Balmer and how Steve Balmer bought the clippers and when he bought the clippers, the clippers were reporting profits every year. And then suddenly, the Clippers lost like $700 million on paper over a period of time.

And so he claimed that the Clippers were losing money. And the reason that double-e sucks is because if you report that your team lost a ton of money, you can sell other assets up to the level of your paper losses and not pay taxes on them because you are technically speaking have no income. What you're saying in this argument is this... I haven't been able to say anything.

If I have five dollars in my pocket, but I own a million dollars of Microsoft stock, a million shares of Microsoft stock. If I lose that five dollars from my pocket, but the Microsoft stock goes up 10 bucks. You're saying today I lost $5. That's one of the things you're saying. And that's patently absurd. No one in the world would say, oh, that poor guy. He lost $5 when a million shares of Microsoft stock

went up 10 bucks and now he has 10 million more dollars. So when you say they lost money, you're just being lawyerly realistic and you're shilling for the ownership class by claiming that that's an actual loss. It's not an actual loss in no way, shape or form. They manipulate the way that they report income and revenue and appreciation and depreciation to get to the point where they can claim on paper, oh, we lost $3 million this year. And by the way, you of all people should know this because when dead spin, like reported out the finances

of majorly teams, specifically were caught misleading about the amount of money that the orderlings had made, you were in that article, I went back and read it yesterday. Yes, of course I did. You were in that article specifically your name. You know, the slogan hostage by going until the end of the segment and not giving anyone a chance to talk.

But you can, I guess that's what you do. I'm not telling you how to be a show runner. I'm not telling you how to be a brilliant writer. I know exactly what you're talking about, but you're not telling the truth. And you're using sources that are not accurate. So go. Okay, start with, I'm talking about cash losses.

Mickey Erison has to finance the operation of the team with sources of cash. I'm not talking about paper losses. The depreciation that you're talking about, basically for the assets when you buy a team, there's a five year depreciation. I'll keep going, Mike, we can go class by class with what you can depreciate and how long the depreciation is for player contracts,

for the equipment, for every asset, and an asset purchase agreement. I'll go one by one in the last minute 23, but you with your absolute perch, where you get to say how it happens and how we do it, because that is what your raison d'être is as you sit in your beautiful house with your beautiful money. You are absolutely misinformed. So let's start with deadspin. They did not show you. I don't give a about EBITDA. It doesn't matter to people who actually own a business. What EBITDA means, that's when you can play around. That is nothing to do with operating income or cash requirements of a business at the end of a year.

When presidents have to go to owners to get money to fund a business, that's what I'm talking about. And Mickey Harrison is required to put money in. You can talk about $5 in Microsoft all you want and it's an absolute apples to oranges. When you lose $5 out of your pocket and you have a share of stock that you did not cash in and you need that $5 to get on the subway, guess what? They don't take a share of Microsoft, Mike. You can't go and say, hey, let me on the train. No, you need the $5. At Riley Hakes, let me on the train. No, you need the $5. And Riley hates Jimmy Butler on media day.

I want to switch gears briefly before we get to your review and cover another local story, which was Jimmy Butler's media day appearance that the heat, uh, socials had fun with, then came a report from Michael Wallace who used to be based out of Miami, was part of the SBN's Miami Miami Heat Beat before relocating to Memphis, where he said 98% of the heat front office wasn't down with what Jimmy Butler did. It was a weird percentage, yeah. 98.9, yeah.

17 of them, so that's, he said that this is an inline with full-trick. It's not in line with heat culture, it's too look at me, I was curious what your thoughts are because I'm pretty sure Pat Riley views that and doesn't get it at all. But Jeremy and I were talking before the show that we actually think Jimmy Butler did

the Miami Heat organization a big time solid by taking all the attention and putting it on himself rather than their failings, this postseason and offseason. Absolutely. Him coming in and being emo Jimmy during media day was a huge distraction from all of the other questions about Damien Lillard and Tyler Hero and Kyle Lowry

not speaking and all of the other story lines that we could have been focused on. Instead, I was coming in and doing piano covers of emo songs. So I've got second hand information, which means it was not directly told to me, but directly told to me by someone who's a part of it, and I absolutely believe this person 100%. Jimmy Butler and the heat, it's not a love affair by any stretch between the front office and Jimmy.

Jimmy is a player who is like many superstars. He's can be selfish and he plays by his own own rules and it can be frustrating to pat and to others Who are into discipline and into togetherness and into what goes here goes there So I think they look at Jimmy. I think they think it's tired But he's so good and that's the problem when you've got a player like Pudra Rodriguez Who's the biggest pain in the neck ever and leaves your team in the middle of a year to say F you to our hitting coach to go to his own hitting coach and then lies about it. And the players are having a hard time at the clubhouse or a handy remira's, but then you win.

It's pretty hard to argue. You don't have to love them off the court, but you love them on the court. And I think that's the case with Jimmy. I don't think there's a lot of love off the court. But boy, is he a special player on the court? Okay, but let's talk about some of the separation here, because I think it matters. 98.9 would be nine out of 10 people in the heatfront offices.

What's your thing doing? Jeremy, Jeremy's pretty plugged in. We know people in that organization. I think that's overestimating. It's a slightly high number, by quite a bit. I mean, especially considering everyone kind of had fun with it. Okay, but I'd go one step further, okay?

Cause this is not hard to understand from any vantage point. 100% of 100% of Pat Riley doesn't like the idea of somebody showing up at his sacred cathedral of military learning and making a costume party out of it. Like I have not talked to me in lower days. I had a counterpoint land the whale

and then you don't need people causing disflexion. I agreed. Agreed and understood. Well, he was failing the city. To me though, the best part of this is, of course, the 78 year old guy is gonna get battered around by, well, when I brought Shaq in here,

because my move for the last 15 years is I'll try and get the giant guys and keep people caring for 20 years when sometimes Sacramento goes those 20 years without anything. Orlando goes those 20 years. I'll keep getting the guy. So it goes Shaq. And Shaq comes in and he's his own economy. He's not heat culture. He's Shaq culture. He's got his own people. He, you know, shows Wade some bad things about what it is to be a star before Wade realizes what it is to be a star. I'll bring you LeBron, I'll bring you Bosh, and then I'll get you Jimmy Butler.

And at the end of this run for both of them, Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley, there's two generations of gulf between them and how they think about sports. And what media day is supposed to mean? Like, of course, there's going to be conflict there. Are you arguing for the sanctity of media day where they think the entirety of hot seconds with jacks? I'm sure Rally didn't like Shaq's squirt gun either. Okay, just deal with it.

Agreed. Yes, of course, the stars rule. Why is he arriving with a squirt gun? I know, but you guys say yes, but of course, the stars rule i see arriving with a court i know but i know what you can say yes but of course the stars rule and lila did because the organizations have taken the power back you can you explain why there is any hate toward pat riley and and and concern that he doesn't get the well when all he does is get you guys these all he did was get you rings as the most successful

brahendin. They've lost, they've lost three consecutive finals getting there as a massive achievement. They were in the play-in last year and went on one of the more unpredictable runs in history. No, I'm not hating Pat Riley. I love Pat Riley, but I am presently criticizing Pat Riley and I think you can operate in the world where you do both. You respect the man What he's done with this organization as an executive down here in Miami

It's been brilliant But it's not exactly nitpicking to say he's missed out on his last eight superstar pursuits and the Miami Heat or Warsaw foights Wait, who's eight name him? Kevin Durant twice Donovan Mitchell right Damien Lillard Jimmy Butler the first go around Also Westbrook twice, okay Bradley Biel James Hardin twice. That's ten those all sound like guys I really want to the Miami Heat by the way. You're welcome is what Pat Riley should say to you Which of those players maybe Durant the first time, maybe Butler the first time, but I think Butler was better for the heat the second time because he was a little

more mature. But all of that said, are you so sure that Lillard is the difference maker on the heat team? Are you 100 I think I think Jamie Lillard money. Yeah. Bring you a title. What? I think Jamie Milwaukee.

Yeah. I think Jamie Lillard shriels into to this game. And he's the best player. He's the best player on the team. You can say play off Jimmy. And I can counter argue that with playoff Jimmy look bad as finals Jimmy. And he's just getting older. And I know Damien Lillard's 33. But I think Damien Lillard shrolls into a team that made the NBA finals and makes them better. Team that really struggled offensively, struggled to keep up with the Denver Nuggets offensively. I think he solves a lot of that. And now he goes to a rival that you upset, they get better and Boston says aggressive, knows

that their roster isn't good enough to beat Miami. What do they do? They flip the script and they go after somebody that you were interested in and you get your lunch money taken from you. I think you can criticize Pat Riley's failings this off season and not come across as I hear you. The Blazers got a way better package for Lillard than what Miami was offered. He could have done.

Maybe they could have gone out and facilitated a three way. That's what they could have done. He asked us the Blazers got way better than what the heat brought for it. That's what they could have done. And we only know way better than what the heat were offering. That's what they could have done. And we only know the postspin on what the heat supposedly offered where they just found three draft picks and Jovich hiding under the couch. Because before the person that I trust the most when it

comes to heat reporting was telling me he was Tyler hero, take it or leave it and they haven't spoken in months. I'm going to say it's not too much of a stretch to say they should have done better there. There is more information on that though that i had not considered in some of what my information was on this which is the heat were legitimately stunned that there wasn't back in fourth of any kind there that that and that and that stupid games win super prices they drew they

drew a hard line no but after months of Portland's not dealing with us and Portland maintaining that stance throughout because Portland as far as I know never got to the point of knowing what the assets and Brooklyn and Utah were available in exchange for hero, that the Phoenix part of the deal also fit with Miami and Lowry, that that part of the deal worked, and then the other part of the deal, Portland never heard or entertained. And then after that, the hard line was drawn. The hard line was drawn after it was drawn first by Portland. There was no communication.

And I want to keep my eye on the ball here, because they also lost out on Bradley Beall. Bradley Beall would have helped this basketball team, and Bradley Beall could have been by portland there was no communication and i want to keep my own the ball here because they also lost out on bradley bill and bradley bill would help this basketball team and bradley bill could have been had for peanuts and they decided against that it's not peanuts what's his salary i excuse me again i don't care about the luxury tax and i shouldn't

because you don't run the team i shouldn shouldn't care. I'm a fan David And I want and I see other owners spending into the into the luxury tax to maintain competitors I have a championship window that is shrinking by the day and I don't care about Mickey Erison's financials We've won we've gone into it. He got the team for nothing the team for nothing!