The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: $1900 and a Gummy

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

Stugotz and Mike are furious with the play and demeanor of Luka Doncic's performance in this NBA Finals, and his stellar performance in Game 4 has somehow only made their anger stronger. Then, refs in all sports are pretty terrible, huh? Was Angel Reese's comment about referees even about Caitlin Clark? Did you know a MLB umpire was suspended for gambling? Did you know he called a "perfect game" in the World Series? Plus, Kyrie Irving's maturity since leaving Boston, a bidding war between Chris Cote's wife and a fan, and getting used by Dan Hurley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it.

And now here's the marching band to nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar. Now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. of the day start of the day start of the day it is the start of the day what happens to that I don't know. Monday happens. It's early. It is. Zeroes look like ones. Yeah. Joe Mazzullo was in Kyrie Irving's draft class. Come on. He was also in Kemba Walker's, Isaiah Thomas's, Jimmy Butler's, Kawhi's, Clay, the coach of the Boston Celtics is very young.

The Boston Celtics now trail the Mavericks in point differential for this series, a series in which they're leading 3-1. Tom Habershaw had the tweet that we're going to see something that we've never seen before no matter who lifts the trophy because no team has ever come back from a 3-0 deficit in the NBA Finals and no teams ever won the Championship having lost a game in the series by 38 or more. I gotta tell you Dan, the fact that I saw that Luca can move, can hustle, can play defense Only makes games one through three more inexcusable.

Are you kidding me? He was so bad games one, two and three. He was good in game four, but he can move. He can run. He can sprint. He could play defense. It's not great defense, but at least it's not matador defense. It was defense.

He was trying. He was giving effort. What happened in game one, two, and three? Someone explain it to me because that is the worst display from a great player in the history of the NBA Finals. Seriously, he didn't play defense. It was five on four for three games. He's never been good at defense and the last thing you saw tends to be the most in the history of the league is if you forget. Some hustle. You forgot LeBron James losing to Dirk, like you forgot that?

He did respond in kind to, I thought if you could ever find valid criticism for a player such as Luca who we all understand, he's tired, yeah he doesn't have the greatest conditioning, he's asked to do everything, he's got Timaway jr. As his third leading score on his team Tim Hardaway jr. One an entire month without hitting a shot from the field. I think we all understand that but also He was so bad Game three that was so embarrassing like he was such a baby About it. He was cursing at his sideline for not challenging stuff He turned 50 50 balls balls into 70-30 balls

with his lack of conditioning. He was just so, so bad that the great ones usually respond to performances like that. And yeah, it's not Bruce Bowen type defense, but for him, that's all they need. All right, let's examine though for a second what happened after or toward the end of game three, because the Boston Celtics were dying

to choke away that game. Like fadeaway jumper after fadeaway jumper, giving up a 20 point lead and then Luca, when you're telling him, hey Luca play defense, he decides I'm gonna play it out here on Jaylen Brown to get my sixth foul out here, challenge it and then of course they lose the game because boston was dying to lose that basketball game in a way that made

uh... everybody rise up and confirm all the doubts that they have about that real not all the doubts the only doubt yes that exists about that basketball team is toward the end of games and it was on display when lucca did the whining thing that made Brian Windhorse go after him on air in a way I don't think Brian Windhorse has ever done to a player because yes you expect more from him and he was bad in those three games bad for him and defensively we gave the stat last week that's true that no one has been blown by as much as luca has been because he's

never been any good at defense he's not any good at defense and we're always wondering whether or not he's in shape or not but he's capable of doing what he did in game four at any given point will do it every game then. If you could do it in game four, do it in games one through three. But, Stigatz, the Celtics present a series of problems like, okay, Tatum, do it every game.

They're playing at the top of the sport, they're playing the very best, they're playing against each other, and sometimes they're going to neutralize each other. They're going to make each other look like that. I understand that. With Tatum though, I'm never, or anyone else in that series, I'm not questioning effort.

Mike and I are questioning the effort of Luca, especially on the defensive end. I understand why he's tired because they're targeting him, but when you're that fatigued, you make bad decisions such as trying to draw a charge out on the perimeter in a way that even Luko won't get that call and he's had a very friendly whistle. All they need is for what he did in game four, which was just be a little bit more aggressive because you're only making yourself, it's a cycle, you're only making yourself more tired by having to expend that much more energy trying to climb out of these holes. Help yourself on the offensive end by putting in a respectable effort on the defensive end. He deserved the criticism as much as any

star who's ever that almost solely responsible for his team's success. He put his team in really bad spots and he just kept compounding it and then he started getting petulant. It's always impressive when you're not the biggest baby on the court that also features Jason Datum. I'm not objecting to the appraisal that he hasn't played well. I'm objecting to Stu Gotts' that's the worst thing that I've ever seen in the history of the finals. It took him four games to suddenly wake up and decide hey I have to play defense. I mean he's also carrying an injury which for a limited defender that that doesn't help matters

he's got to get more help also defensively from his teammates, but It's like he had very curious game fours in both sports where you see a path where these teams They look just so overwhelming and you've wondered where has this been all series with all the the time in between games You can talk yourself into both teams blowing a 3-0 lead. Put it on the pole please Juju did you know Missoula was in the same draft class as Kyrie Irving and when I mentioned to Stugats that this can happen to great players Luca's performance allows us to not look anymore at Kyrie's performance in the first two games. I have found hugely interesting what Kyrie is saying publicly. I have not seen a lot of athletes do this when the Piranha are feeding,

when your Owen 13, he had been against the Celtics since stepping on the leprechaun, and he was talking about the self-doubt involved in going into Boston and not fitting in in what he's calling a cult. And he's taking his responsibility for that, Stugatz, in a way that is refreshing and to me surprising. Let's listen to Kyrie Irving here before he heads back into Boston because I was telling you Stu gots that when The history is written right in front of us on who these people are Kyrie Irving has an opportunity Tonight to do something really special and memorable by simply being the Kyrie Irving that he can often be the kairi erving that he cannot often be luke that gets the criticism because of everything that happened to gain the

third game game three where he spends a lot of time complaining about the rest but i also understand anybody who complains about the rest because to that these guys are getting fouled up all the time like i know when doors explain why he was so adamant afterwards it's so emotional afterwards and he talked about he explained it actually this morning. I was listening on the way in where he said going back now seven or eight years the people surrounding Luca have begged him to stop with the complaining and the officials just focus your energy on the stuff that you can control. Stop focusing

any negative energy on the referees. It's it much easier said than done, Stugatsi. But I was thinking about this with Doc Rivers the other day. Like Doc Rivers, this is funny, okay, because Doc Rivers went on Simmons' podcast and now says Damien Liller was out of shape and that he was going through a divorce and he didn't want to get hurt when he knew he was going to get traded. And so he's putting out there all the things that doc rivers does when he doesn't want to be accountable for the fact that they were terrible at the end of the season when he got there people are making fun of the fact that doc rivers is also said that philly fans are to

blame for why it is that they didn't win in philadelphia when the year before doc got there they were thirty one and four at home in Philadelphia. But I got to thinking about this. If you're Doc Rivers, is it anyone's human nature to actually be accountable when things go wrong on you? Nope. When things go wrong on you, if you're fouled, if you don't make the shot, do you think any of us

would just not be talking about the referees if we thought we were getting found? Like if we thought the reason we weren't succeeding is because the refs were doing that to us It's very easy for everyone to say hey care a whole lot But right up until you object to somebody else preventing you from doing your job That's where you should ignore them and be accountable It's good advice from wind horse, but I but I don't think it's practical. I don't think that that's the way human beings behave. But it was also a pretty rare example

where it was pretty obvious to everyone and the only people offering a rebuttal are diehard Mavericks fans. That was Neymar levels of flopping around, and it was just an unprofessional look. He looked like a child there, and I think Brian Wind Horse was right to call into account, like a lot of these

things, and this is the elephant in the room. A lot of these things are a byproduct of your general approach to the game. So if you're not going to be a professional about your conditioning, if you're not going to be that professional, even though you're limited defensively in part because of your conditioning, then be a professional on the court and don't compound the issues by causing your team technicals, by getting yourself out of the game because you think you're owed a makeup, by just being how you were on the court because it made a bad situation worse. Despite the call whether you agree

with it or not, and that is not the time to try to go out 30 feet from the basket and make a play defensively. He needs to stay in the game i i want to be clear on this i am not defending lucas childishness i just understand why at twenty five luca would still be a child i'm saying you gotta grow out of it you have to you have to be more professional that and i'm also saying it's easier said than done luca all your life you have been on a platter going and i don't know what his

life was like before this but he got out of whatever it is that he was in because 10 years everyone have been serving that child serving that child everything he wants everywhere because he's a savior and he gets everything in the world he wants even though he's drinking beers and and and looking like he's got a pot belly and still dominating, still getting stardom, still getting every reward and just took out everybody in the West, behaving that way, not changing his behavior any. I get why he's childish and I also get why it has to change. But that's why we say teams have to suffer.

That is a blanket statement and now we're getting into my new show of what it means to suffer and for Luca it means not just losing a title it means not just losing any chance at a series because you're performing like that because you realize that you can only go so far with your general approach to the game right now and that needs to change it's things like being called out by guys like Brian Windhorst who don't do that like Like that's where the suffering, the pain comes. You learn from it and you realize I'm not going to stand for that anymore. Howdy folks, it's Mike Ryan. It is hot. It is damp. It is summer and it's a perfect time for grilling outside over an open flame or charcoal grill or propane. I'm not really sure. I'm not really all that manly. I think you guys couldn't

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A Celtics fan. That was a Celtics fan? Well, it was me. Stugats. Oh, it was me. Stugatz! It's amazing to see the mask pulled off and to see you so clearly. You were in such good disguise and I didn't know it was you. It's me, a Celtics fan. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the Stugatz.

It seems fairly obvious at this point, Stugatz, that we are going to over cover the holy hell out of every flagrant foul on Caitlin Clark. But I ask this question sincerely, when is that going to stop? Obviously it's not going to stop yesterday, but when is it going to stop that the way that we enter these conversations about games that are being played here, has the famous player been hit in the head too hard by somebody while driving to the basket? Like is that going to stop anytime soon? I have no idea. I don't know if we're equipped to discuss this

the way we probably should discuss this so we keep falling back on the same exact thing and the same exact topic. Now Angel Reese lent some of, you know, lent some to the conversation but she was asked about it after the game. And she said she was making a basketball play and she said there must be a special whistle.

I love the idea of a special whistle. I do. I got to be honest. I think her point about the whistle was that she was fouled a few times and they didn't call it. I don't think that had anything to do with the attempt to block. He just wanted to talk about the special. That would be fun. He wants a special whistle. I'm with him on that. What does it sound like? I stopped in mid-take and I just like, oh, a special whistle.

Does it sound different? Does it look mid-take and I just like, oh, a special whistle. Does it sound different? Does it look different? Is that a confetti? I'm imagining when Jordan played, there was a whistle for everyone else and a whistle for Jordan. Because if you did anything to anyone else, it wasn't a foul.

But if you did it to Jordan, then the Jordan whistle would come out. And that's a special whistle. I just like the idea of a special whistle. Let's build it out. It really is all you had here is to say we don't know how to talk about this and therefore I'm just going to misunderstand something that Angel Reese said and just talk about this idea that I have for a special whistle. Let's play the Angel Reese

sound here real quick for the people. For inside, I mean I think we were playing really hard. I think we went up really strong a lot of times and we didn't get a lot of calls and going back at looking at the film I've seen a lot of calls that weren't made. I guess some people got a special whistle. We're not going to be able to get this out of sports, the complaining about the refereeing, right? Like it's just not something that ever... I just, having done this for as long as we've done this I I know it's as it's as old as time in sports to complain about the umpiring or the officiating and I will acknowledge that in many places it's terrible so I understand why we spend so much time complaining about it but I

also find it just unendingly empty. Like, you understand so much of what's happening in sports is decided by all sorts of randomnesses, all sorts of tiny little small things, mistakes, made by an assortment of human beings, and the amount of time that we spend complaining about officials is crazy to me, but yet I understand why players invested in competing not just

competing for winning but competing for money would it every turn see something that diminishes their performance and say well it's not the mirror it's not me it's not because i either failed to do something, it's because of an assortment of extenuating circumstances that involve the officiating. I just don't know how that sounds to the ear if you're someone who likes programming, just sports programming, to perpetually hear everybody talking about the judges, the rulers. I think on the one hand, if I were a player and I were really frustrated about the inconsistent

officiating in the WNBA, I would say something about it in my press conference too. And on the other hand, it doesn't seem like it's gonna change anytime soon. There was also a really controversial call in the Skies game on Friday against the Mystics where a player got a technical for, I think she said, ball don't lie or something to the ref,

and he was like, you're out of here. So like, it's just bad a lot of the time, and I don't think she's wrong, but yeah, I get it. Like, there's nothing fans can do about it, and the officiating just isn't gonna get better out of nowhere. But of course it's bad a lot of the time. I've said this before about pro sports, Dugats,

that the athleticism is such that the people who are even at the high end of officiating that they're failing all the time because there are a million things that can be called anywhere so of course if you drop down levels to college football to high school football to to women's basketball that's, but you have your top end officials elsewhere, and they're failing all the time too, and now you go into the other sports, there aren't enough people who are good at this,

or exceptional at it, for it to be consistent anywhere in sports, but of course it's going to be worse in the places that haven't yet caught up to, where the money, the caught up to where the money the attention is where the coverage is that eradicate some of this because we shame angel hernandez after 30 years out of the sport because too many things are being decided by incompetence no but I'm but I'm I if it's something that can't be done well by anybody at the highest levels if it's

something that has error at the highest levels. If it's something that has error at the highest levels, then of course it's going to have errors everywhere else where you're not paying them the way that you pay the people who are at the highest levels. If you don't want us to talk about it anymore, the refs should stop cheating. Well, how about this? You guys, yeah, but you saw, you guys saw quietly this weekend an ump was disciplined for gambling? Yeah, well now we don't know if it was the sport or if that matters at all, but it wasn't baseball. But yeah, like I said. Well no, we know it wasn't baseball

because he was disciplined and not gone. All right, well they should stop cheating. And I'll stop complaining about the refs. How about the refs stop cheating, I'll stop complaining. He also I think is like historically, or presently like the second most accurate umpire. It's just a weird story. Damn, we lost a good one.

How about the players stop complaining about the officials? Like, it's- Well, like, you would too. Like, you would too. Especially when they cheat. But Lucas spends the entire game complaining about the officials. Angel Reese in the post game, she's complaining about the officials.

She was four of 11, I believe, last night. Caitlin Clark also complains, like, every player, every player that plays the game complains about the officials. She was four of 11, I believe, last night. Caitlin Clark also complains. Like every player that plays the game complains about the officials. And a lot of the time, they have a point. You shouldn't harass the referees or the umpires if you're a fan. However, if you're a player, I get why you're complaining a lot.

Right. I mean, Angel Reese was four of 13. Worry about that. Worry about your jumper. She's playing really well, StuGats. Four of 13. You haven't watched her Worry about your jumper. She's playing really well, StuGats. 4 of 13. You haven't watched her play a single game. You are wrong.

She's breaking records for double doubles as a rookie. I don't care. Percentage, terrible. I will tell you, I will tell you who's playing great. Hold on, I have watched it. Kaitlyn Clark and The Fever are starting to play great. They've won three or four, I believe. Kaitlyn nearly had a triple double yesterday. Her shooting percentage is exceptional. She's playing great.

Field goal percentage for bigs in that sport are different than the men's version. Four or 13, you're going to complain about the officiating afterwards? Angel Reese is playing really well. She's probably going to be the rookie of the month in the WNBA. But okay. And Caitlin Clark is also playing well. Sure. Yeah. She's also playing well, but I will... The Fever are also playing worse teams at this point in their schedule Then they did when they started the season. We're like, oh my god, they're so bad You know like yeah, I kind of this is how it works. You understand how it's easier for someone that's seven foot three. I Do yeah. All right. Can I go back to this umpire for a second? We always we've talked about how in sports

We've talked about how in sports the we've talked about how in sports, the punishment is determined by how good you are. If you're really good, you could punch Pat Riley in the face and still start. If you're bad and you do something, you're gone. Billy mentioned- Unless you're Angel Hernandez. Billy mentioned this umpire being the most accurate.

He is known as the best ball strike umpire in MLB. In game two of the 2022 World Series, he called all 129 balls and strikes correctly. Yeah, I learned recently that there was a perfect game in the World Series because of this story. What? There was a perfect game in the World Series in 2022. This guy's so good, he should be allowed to gamble.

Not on baseball, but I'm okay with him gambling on other sports, he's that good. It's Pat Holberg is his name, and it has to be a gambling incident. If he's been disciplined and is still in the sport and it's just discipline, it has to be a minor infraction. Correct? It has to be like he walked into a casino or something. Who threw it in 2022? Was it a team effort?

I got to see. I don't know if that's when the game was. If you would have told me when I was a kid that there would have been a perfect game in the World Series and I would be learning about it two years later and no one would have a name for me I don't think there was a perfect game in the World Series. I think he umpired a perfect in the world I think you read that wrong. I think he there has not been a perfect game. That would be a big deal We would have known there was a combined no hitter in the 2022 World Series. That was the Astros.

This is game two that he threw his, he called his perfect game where he got every all 129 balls and strike calls correct. Whoa. So they have perfect games for UMS too. Yeah. That's, that's confusing. Uh-huh. Now that's why I'm, and that's why I'm saying he should be allowed to gamble.

But no one celebrates umpire perfect games except Myshur. Like he's the only one. We should celebrate them. Who's keeping track of these things? There are umpiring databases that are keeping track of how well or how poorly these guys are doing. We always complain when the refs get it wrong. We never admit when they got it right.

And they did get the call right on the block shot yesterday. And that's all there is to it. Sometimes you miss the ball and you hit a player and then you get called for a foul and then that's the end of the story. And that's really the end of the story. Now, was yesterday a terrible day for me because the sky lost and then I watched Madame Web?

Yes, it was. And that was my father's day, watching that terrible movie that I missed a major plot point of, found out this morning when I was listening to how did this get made, live show recap of it. This movie was really bad. And it was so bad that I expected it to be like, oh, it's funny.

It's so bad that it's funny. No, it was boring and bad. And they remind you of what era it's in constantly with like, did you catch an idol last night? And it wasn't the idol, which I mean, come on. Apparently they just started tracking the umpires like this in 2020. So since 2020, it's the only perfect game.

Okay, we can't be calling this a perfect game. We can be. No, no, it's so confusing. What do you mean? I'll go the other way on this. So confused you thought it was a pitcher. If we're going to spend this much time complaining about the referees. It was a little striking that no one knew for sure

if there was a perfect game done by a pitcher in 2022. I did know for sure. It just took me a minute to register whether or not that combined bullpen no hitter was a perfect game or not. I couldn't remember. And I'm thinking to myself, is that something that could have happened without anyone noticing anyone on our show or anyone listening to this that's not something that could

have happened is it but i i do think we need to celebrate more the fact that the fact that pat holberg had a perfect game and we're only learning about it when he's being disciplined for gambling seems really unfair to officials if we're gonna spend all our time complaining and bitching about when they get everything wrong, the idea that someone could be quietly perfect in sports and no one would notice or care

seems unfair if we're only going to celebrate this man when he gets in trouble for gambling. And then I found out that Adam Scott, his name was Ben in the movie. What? And there's a baby born at the end of the movie. And I think you're supposed to be like, oh, he's uncle Ben.

The baby is Spider-Man. That's why it was in 2003. But how was I supposed to know that from watching the movie? I mean, it was completely out of the blue, out of nowhere. There's two secret Spider-Power people in the same friend group in 2003 that doesn't make any shitty Sunday terrible Sunday and then and then you got to watch the coverage of

Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark I muted all of those people That was his first World Series game too when he got the perfect game imagine that you work your whole life What you finally get to a World Series game and you call a perfect game the first One in recorded history will it be his last? Now it's 2020. That's right. The first one in recorded history because we weren't recording this stuff with technology before 2020 done libertard Punctuate this segment with what is your strike three call strike one would be?

Right and then you stand up and you give a good point to the right. Stugats. That's same for strike two. But strike three, you get down low, you got your hands behind the catcher, all right? The right arm goes up into the air. Hyah! And then you finish it with a punch.

The right arm flings way up into the air. Hyah! Hyah! And you finish with a karate. I wish I could see that. It's terrible. The audio's great. Hyah! Hyah! This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. I wish I could see that. It's terrible. The audio's great.

This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. I did want to get back to and circle back around on this Kyrie Irving Sounds to Guts that I wanted to play for you because I do think it's unusual. It will buy him nothing tonight. Boston hates him and when Boston hates you don't really want to be on the end of Boston hating. It's a cruel and unpleasant thing for anybody to be on the end of. But a black athlete being on the wrong end of

Boston's hate is particularly unpleasant but Whatever Kyrie Irving scars are here's to guts I do think that the the stomping of the leprechaun the going oh and 13 against the Celtics since then Kyrie Irving returning to Boston, I don't know that there's a more unpleasant feeling that anyone tonight would be overcoming than him. I don't know if there's anyone who's playing for either of the teams tonight who's talking publicly about self-doubt and how bad he was when they played in Boston because That that is just general human discomfort And I know we think of these guys as superhuman

But him going back to a place that he tried to physically sage stugots because His the way that he feels emotionally about everything that was there is poisoned to him and he refers to not fitting in in a cult. Let's listen to Kyrie Irving. They have championship pedigree here they've shown it for years they're one of the most winnings in franchise in all of sports so you have to show your respects here and I think that's what I struggled with initially was figuring out how I'm going to be a great player here while winning championships while also leading

a team and selflessly joining the Celtics organization or the cult that they have here. You know and that's what they expect you to do as a player. They expect you to seamlessly buy into the Celtics pride, buy into everything Celtics and if you don't then you'll be outed and I'm one of the people that's on the outs. That sounds humbled to me. And it will buy him nothing. Nothing. It will buy him poorer treatment from the Celtic fans

because he called them a cult. I don't think it's going to be any poorer than it's been. I think they're maximum. I might thank them for being humble. I think they're maximum. They're not going to thank him for anything. Thank you for being humble in your last press conference There is no there is one dude like two fans in Celtics Pride garb saying hey Wait a second you made a pretty nuanced point that showed his own personal growth

Maybe we shouldn't say that about his family. Let's grow too. Let's grow. No, like to the crowd. Keep thinking, keep working it out. Keep seeing if you can find a chant that helps two fans in Boston celebrate Kyrie Irving's maturity. Where's that ticket at? Any update on that situation?

I've only gotten one tweet, so. My inboxes are open, people. Reach out to me. Well, what was the number? 1900's the highest offer? Wow from the 3000 your wife wants that's what she's asking for Do you believe if your wife gets a three thousand dollar offer for game five of the Stanley Cup tomorrow here in sunrise? Do you believe if that offer comes through that you will be going to the game with a fan instead of your wife like I?

Think we can get that offer if we promise it. I don't believe that we will get that offer if it's not being promised. Well, hold on, have you run the $1,900 offer by her yet? Ooh, someone just responded to that with a $1,902 and a gummy. Wow. Wow. Run that by her.

Well, who gets the gummy? Hold on a second. I see you got my text. Are you getting the gummy or is she? I see you got my text. I single gummy? I think what? Yeah, but this is a good stuff. This feels a hollow.

Not made from horse bones. This feels like one of these eBay fake offers. It doesn't feel like somebody, like as soon as you verify this offer, you will find out there's no gummy and no $1,900, maybe the $2, but that's it This is like when you're on a flight and they're asking for volunteers and you have to wait until the last minute to take the offer because the the win-win is really high for you like

Either way, you're either going to the game with your wife or you're not and you have three thousand dollars in a gummy So you have to wait until puck drops tomorrow night to make a call on this. Flash deals, that's what that sounds like. Just amongst friends, which would you rather, go to the game with your wife or $1,900 and a gummy with a stranger? Just amongst friends. But you're splitting the $1,900 with her at least.

And you're hoping that this stranger's well intentioned and this isn't the last we see of you. I would also pay $1,900 to not sit with a stranger. Chris Cody is soothing himself right now, soothing his arm, his body language is all soothing. If my wife can come up with a gummy, she can go. Wow, at this point, Chris, hold on a second. At this point, you should start a bidding war between a stranger and your wife for the ticket, right?

Just go to your bedside table. I've got a second hiding spot. The gummy is the deal. It's a tie ranger, the gummy. I could have used a gummy when I watched Madam Webb yesterday. I tried, it doesn't help. Really? Yeah, it doesn't help.

Stugatz, I wanted to ask you something that some people were questioning me about that I had not considered from last week. Over the weekend, I got an assortment of people reaching out to me, asking me if I would have made a decision that I made last week if I had known some things that became known after last week, which is, would we have taken Dan Hurley if we had known

that that was going to be such an orchestrated media tour that was wildly unusual under the circumstances for a coach just going back to his own job. Dan Hurley came on with us first and I was told that it was just two stops. It was us and Colin Cowherd. That's and I was told that it was just two stops. It was us and Colin Cowherd. That's what I was told and then he did a full-on blitz of I'm just going back to Yukon. Like it was all over the place and what people were asking me

is do you realize you were used? Because I had not realized that we were among those used. I thought that we were getting some sort of special access to Dan Hurley when Dan Hurley was doing an orchestrated campaign and the reason I bring this up is at least in part because of the ties to to Woege and the ties to how parts of that story felt manufactured, Stu Gatz. It can feel like through everything that happened, Woege and Hurley used the Lakers position with CAA and everyone else to conjure an offer that wasn't good enough so that Dan Hurley

could get coveted with woge on ESPN and for all the media touring that Dan Hurley did, where did he not appear? Not on ESPN. Right. And my answer to the question, to everybody, even though I didn't realize that that could be a situation where a coach is manipulating the media

in order to both curry public favor and control the narrative is, no, if we were first, I still would have taken him because we were first, we were gonna get him first, but I had not considered before that the possibility that we would be being used. You're used by every guest. Yes.

Used by every guest that comes in here. We use them too. We use each other. Right. That's the deal. We got something, he got something, we got first, so good. Please, keep using us. Guests, more guests use us.

But I'll tell you what, I would take them fifth, I would take them last, I'll take them next week, I'll take them every week. It's been refreshing. I enjoyed being in the news cycle with take them last, I'll take them next week, I'll take them every week. I don't care. It's been refreshing. I enjoyed being in the news cycle with a newsmaker and that's nice, I'd like more of that. Use us all the time. Yeah, I mean.

More people use us. I saw my name, I saw your name on espn.com, all over ESPN, it felt good, it's been a minute. I felt good. Yeah, I may privately think that there's some big plan that's hatched between agent and and client and media affiliates I don't care. Then we we got aggregated. That's great That's all that matters audience acquisition tension is all that no but also being able to talk to the newsmakers

You should be honored that you were selected to be used. Yes Yes. He's like, we gotta go, we wanna go on my talk. So let Howard, let it take. If I may, your whole take on this is like an example as to why we're not being used plenty, because you get used and you complain about being used. And then you wanna say, why aren't more people using me? I wasn't complaining about being used.

I was, something was put in front of me this weekend that I had not, it had not dawned on me. It was not something that I had considered before it happened, and it wasn't something that I considered after it happened. Only when I was asked the questions did I consider it. I'm not sure he's using us any more than Patton Oswalt did. No, Patton Oswalt used us so good.

Used us so good. Not that guy, huh? He made it seem like he was our friend. That was worse. It really didn't seem like he was our friend. That was worse. It really didn't seem like he was our friend. He was just using us. Patton gave us hope. You and Patton specifically had a thing.

Oh no, I know that was fake now. Oh yeah. Used you. Mm-hmm. He was acting? So attention is the only thing that we should crave? Yep. We entertain.

We entertain. We entertain. You aspire to some journalism because of your roots. And I think you did. Occasional journalism. Yeah, but you did do the journalism. You asked some good questions. But yeah, what else would it be?

If you know that's a social contract, it's incumbent upon you to try to differentiate yourself from the pack, knowing that, OK more people are gonna talk about this, this is clearly a coordinated effort to lift them in a positive light because that's a great story. The guy eschews the NBA and stays in his small town with his program and he's taken to unbelievable heights.

It's your job as an interviewer to make your interview stand out. And I think it did stand out, not just because of the timing on it, because it was first in the news cycle, but because of the nature of the questions that you were asking. So yeah, great all around. Now you wish even more that you just did 15 minutes

on weather with him, don't you? Remember, you wanted to do that before. Or Billy Joel. I did. I did want to do that with him. Billy Joel kind of didn't get aggregated somehow. You guys talked me out of doing 15 minutes on just the flooding in Miami.

Just I thought it would be funny. Yes. That was a helpless feeling following along and pot on the podcast in real time. Like, oh no, Dan Hurley is doing this and we're going to run bit with him. No, please no. And then you guys did a great interview with him. We did sell it as an exclusive. That it was not. Well, I thought it was first. Yes, I thought it was first. You were exclusively first. And we bought it. You were exclusive in that you were first. And you did see the benefits of that.

Only one show could be first, Dan. I mean, you can't do two at once. If you're not first, you're last. That was helpful. File. I'll go. No, you don't have to go. But at least now, this is growth. That was helpful. File. I mean. I'll go. No, you don't have to go, but at least now,

this is growth. You're seeing it finally. You're seeing how useless you can be sometimes. It's quiet, so I was trying to spill it, you know? There's been a lot of growth on this show, I think. At least, it's finally a mirror. Finally, someone other than me sees it when you are just being gratuitously useless.

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