The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: 20 More Minutes For Sushi (feat. Nick Wright)

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

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Welcome to the big suey, presented by Draft Kings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it.

And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habit. Pitch you a liar. This episode of the Dan Lebitart show is presented by Draft Kings. Draft Kings, the crown is yours. Grateful that Nick Wright is making time for us today. I imagine he's in a bit of a state of despondence. So how many body parts would you give up of any kind injured to yourself if I could make Patrick Mahomes not have a torn knee ligament?

Which body parts would you give up in exchange for having him not be hurt right now? listen far be it for me to question the editorial judgment of this show this same show i think that at least the miami studio multiple times tried to derail podcast and radio gold to give us i don't know baseball updates but we're not leading with the NBA cup dano it's it i mean it don't put me on camera i even dressed for the occasion i'm like rob low just with the generic NFL had except it's the NBA a wimby jail and Brunton, you want to talk football? I guess people still care about it. All of my knee ligaments, Dan. All of them. What do I need knee ligaments for? I mean, if that were like a serious thing where it's like, okay, listen, he can, you know, guaranteed to be full health, which he will be and back better than ever, which he will be, but also just so he doesn't have to go through, he deserves an offseason. It's been a long seven years. Yeah, I'd give him my, I don't need my knee.

ligaments. I mean, I like riding bikes, but I'd give that up. It's no problem. I mean, what did you think I would say? I didn't know, actually. I managed to be wrong twice about your team. I said they were dead offensively 10 games in. I changed my mind after two games. Yeah, I got it wrong two times with your team. But what I hadn't realized, Nick, and I don't know if you felt the size of this as well, I didn't consider it possibly over until, like all of it over until he. his knee went out because it affects next season and I don't know how much your coaches want to be around and your salary cap problems and everything else. I thought it was more doomsday than I hadn't considered doomsday scenario. Well, you still shouldn't consider doomsday scenario. They have the

most talented quarterback in the history of the league who if he never plays another down is the second greatest quarterback of all time in the prime of he just turned 30. And like, listen, this sucks. This is a huge bummer. This was the way. one part of following the Brady trajectory that I wanted him to skip the blown out knee in his eighth year as a starter but right after playing for ring four and being the greatest team ever in your seventh year as a starter but he checked this box as well the doomsday stuff is is is foolishness like it can't and here's why it's foolishness it cannot simply be either the chief this year we're going to supplant the 11 to 18 Patriots as the greatest most

successful eight-year run in NFL history or if they don't it's doomsday now I understand the Patrick's knee injury is you know more than a fly in the ointment but it's 2025 like guys come back from ACLs as good as ever particularly guys that aren't, you know, I am, I am, if I'm being totally honest, I am sicker for Packer fans this week than I am for Chiefs fans. Because Chiefs fans, while I was late to admit it, it was pretty evident during the game, Juju doesn't believe me? Oh, or he's, he's a Packer fan. I don't know if he doesn't believe me or he's a Packer fan. I'm not sure. I got a lot of words for you. Keep going. Okay, so we can discuss, Juju. Um,

The Packers were an excellent team that might have had a real shot at the Super Bowl derailed. Like, that is a special type of torture. While I didn't want to admit it, it was pretty clear by halftime of the Chargers game, if not weeks prior, that this Chiefs team didn't have it. So the 2025 Chiefs with or without the injury weren't going to play in or win a Super Bowl. The Packers could have, and their two best players on their team, Kraft and Micah, both went down with injury. That is a potential championship taken. And this idea that next year is in question, like, I will believe that when I see it, I would, and Dan, I don't know if you know this about me, but I am a gambler.

I would bet a lot of money that Patrick Mahomes is the Kansas Chiefs Week 1 starter next year. What's juju mad at me about? You guys should go to the Super Bowl now. Like, it's never been laid out more perfectly. You guys should, Mahomes isn't there, Burroughs, not there. Lamar, who is actually the one guy in the playoffs, you guys can beat. He might not be there. You go to the Super Bowl, and I'm hoping you do it.

Like, Bill's fans deserve it. Bill's fans are great fans. Josh Allen's a great player. Just no pressure. But if you don't make the Super Bowl this year, you probably never will. So I'd go ahead and make it this year. Yeah, that's my problem. problem. Yes, Patrick Mahomes isn't there. Lamar Jackson isn't there. You know who else isn't

there? The bill's defensive line. The bill's receiving core. You just can't just because Patrick Mahomes isn't there doesn't mean Julian can win a championship this year. You have to have a good team and that's what the Houston Texans have. You don't have a good team. No, we have a Superman. James Cook's going to rush for 1,700 yards. Too shay. You're right? James Cook's pretty good. Your offensive lines pretty good. Josh Allen. is spectacular and you have a top three past events in football you don't nobody gets to have a perfect team guys nobody gets a I'm so sick of hearing this from fans who tell me all year long what a superhero their quarterback is and then when we approach when it's do or die it's like

I got to hear from Justin Herbert fans about how bad the offensive line is I guess juju's upset that you guys have a bad run defense get oh over it, bro. You have a great past event. You have a superhero at quarterback. You have a great running back. You're playing kids and old men. You're going to play young, you're 22-year-olds and 44-year-olds in route to a Super Bowl. Go to the Super Bowl, bro. It's not that hard. Goldman. Goldman. Gary Oldman. It is hard whenever you have random people playing wide receiver for you. We don't attack the free agent market.

All Josh Allen needs his one go-to receiver. Instead, he has to find where Dawson Knox is in the year 2020. I've listened to Bill's fans. And again, I think you're going to go to the Super Bowl this year. I've listened to Bill's fans to run this hypothetical of if you drop Patrick in Buffalo and Josh in Kansas City, what's the ring count? All right. And my answer is, Patrick still has all the rings.

But Bill's fans disagree with me. So you mean like they're asking Josh Allen to go to a Super Bowl with like Juju Smith Schuster and Marquez Waldes Scantling as his lead receivers except he also has James Cook instead of Isaiah Pacheco sounds pretty awesome go do it like they believe in your team believe in your guy give me a break with this wo is me we don't have a Madden create a team yeah everything's been laid out perfectly peeking at the right time you just walk down the Patriots I believe in you this isn't like some reverse jinx I I believe Josh Allen one day is going to

win a Super Bowl part of me kind of likes the fact that I that if this is the year I'm like yeah he won the Super Bowl but Patrick wasn't in the tournament so it's kind of like half a ring but this is a great year to do it go go to the Super Bowl bro if Bo Knicks or Drake may get there before Josh and it's because oh man they had better D tackle play, then go jump in the ocean, bro. Like, go to the Super Bowl. I'm sorry, I got to point out a couple of things that you said.

Number one, you said it was apparent by the Chargers game, if not a few weeks earlier. Didn't sound like it was apparent to you. When you come on the show, you were talking pie in the sky, we got this, we're going to do this. The other thing you said is, I'm sick of these fans complaining. They say, oh, my quarterback's a superhero, but when they lose, oh, they start complaining about the line

and all the stuff. That's what you just did. You just did that about your own team. Okay, so, I mean, I again and I'm not trying to start more like beats with people on the show but I would I would strongly recommend in the future if you're going to run back words that I said you actually listen to the words that I said because to a to deal with the first thing what I said was it was apparent to everyone but me so I was I was I was front running that obvious criticism that I was going to receive because I was the last one I even think I said I was the last one holding out hope it became apparent to me I said by half time at the Chargers game and you don't know what I was saying during the Chargers game because I was watching that

alone sad in my house that's first of all second of all what damn excuse did I make at any point in any of this for Patrick Mahomes for and first of all no excuses are necessary prior to this year he'd played in five the last six Super Bowls But when have I at any point said that, yeah, there is nothing that could be done? I haven't said any of that. I said the Chiefs didn't have it. He's on the Chiefs. Everybody needed to be better this year, including the quarterback.

So, like that, we can do the argument jiu-jitsu if you want, but, you know, you got to tell me what I'm arguing with. I kind of feel like you're making the same argument that Juju just made about, hey, even though. my quarterback is amazing, there are structural issues with my team that makes it kind of perhaps an obstacle for them to achieve the ultimate prize. Sweet Christ, man. Are you comparing the worst, the 2025 Chiefs, which were from quarterback play on down, the worst chiefs team of the decade, to a Bill's team coming off its best win of the year, Josh Allen, some people believe is the league MVP.

They're the, I think, the highest scoring team in the conference. They have the best past events they've had in the last three years. Like, these are apples and bowling goals, bro. I'm not comparing the teams. I'm comparing sergeant semantics. The argument that you are making is strikingly similar to the argument you're striking down from other people, regardless of the caliber of team that we're talking about. What is the argument you think I'm making, bro?

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on the shelf that is his belly. Stugats. He said titties. He shocked me a little bit. I wasn't quite prepared for tities. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. All right, this is happening again. This just general tension with Pablo, with Amin, with Juju.

He's coming after everybody. I have no tension with Juju at all. Trista? I have no tension with Juju. I'm telling Juju believe in your team. Hi. Believe in. You're sorry.

Hi. Hi. Hi, I'm Trista. I'm new. I just was wondering why you're so hyped up right now. It's the job, man. Nobody wants to hear a sad, whoa. I couldn't do.

No, no, no, no, most people do want to hear sad clown Nick Wright. Yeah, I want wet blanket. Oh, pardon me. Like, that's, I'm not going to do it. Like, here's the thing. And this is what I think the, like, I owe the audience. It is not, it. Packer fans are in just as much pain.

Like, the guys get hurt in pro football. It happens. And for me, if I were to have come out on Monday or today or whenever, and been like, the sky is falling when Pat's fans lost Brady for a year in week one, cults fans didn't know there was anything wrong with Peyton Manning. And it's like his neck's hurt and then they got rid of his ass. The Packers 15 years ago or 10 years ago had a Super Bowl. team and Aaron Rogers gets his collarbone snapped. Like this happens in pro football and it's not just sadder when it happens to your guy and it's not just sadder when it happens to the face of the league. It might be more damaging for the league marketing wise, but that's part of pro football and part of what has made the previous seven years so special is they've danced through the raindrops on this stuff. So I'm not going to ask for a bunch of like, whoa is me sympathy stuff. I it's it's pro football man. Guys get hurt and you try to duck it, you know, when you have a Super Bowl championship team.

The only saving grace to this whole thing is, to a means point, if he didn't hear me say it earlier, I'll make it clear. I was wrong about this Chief's team. They weren't Super Bowl caliber. And if there was ever a year you were going to lose your quarterback a month for the playoffs, I guess it's good that it's the one year the team stunk. I understand that you have to sort of be striding and defying. by calling foolishness, me bringing up the doomsday scenario. But the only reason I'm doing this to Patrick Mahomes is because I think you know this. The last seven years must have been really physically hard on him.

And so I'm assuming if Kevin Durant's body breaks and they break up after four years, twice as long is really going to hurt a lot more in that sport, emotionally and otherwise. That's what I'm most curious about because I've kind of wondered aloud for the last several years. How is Patrick Mahomes' game going to age? He leans on his athleticism a little bit more than some of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever seen. Every year in the blogosphere, we see some kind of photo of him and his belly in the off season. Him now coming off of a knee injury in which I believe he tore two ligaments. How do you see this guy playing into his 30s?

He's going to have to change his game. We trust him to play from the pocket, but it is going to be different, Nick. Yeah, so listen, this is where I can't prove it to you, and I guess we're going to have to wait and see. but I believe the the a insane competitor who also happens to be the most freakishly gifted quarterback in the history of the sport who also happens to be by any available metric

the most clutch player on a per game basis obviously Brady has had a three X longer career in the history of the sport is going to come back and be just as good. Maybe I'll be wrong. Like, I can't prove that to you. The surgery happened 36 hours ago. But I, yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't, I, this is,

and this is where I guess I can be annoying to your crew or whomever. I think stuff like this is the dumbest shit imaginable. You, like showing, like showing a picture of a guy when I think he was in the midst of another Super Bowl champion. championship run. And I think that was a photo from the locker room after the first game he went on the road and slayed one of these teams that was better than him. For the audio audience, it's a photo of Mahomes shirtless in the locker room. And it's supposed to be like, you know, the, you know, like, oh, look at this. Evidently, what folks think is the ideal quarterback body they've been

wrong about. And so I don't, yeah, I mean, I, but Nick, that's him, that's also a photo of him in his 20s. And I, I'm with you. I don't, I don't doubt him either. He's got a special arm talent. He's at his apex, perhaps the greatest I've ever seen. But I do think it's fair to question his motivation when it comes to keeping his body in shape. It's not Brady-esque. That's how Brady got to the three times longer career. So, given that on top of the, that. Brady was kind of soft, though, in the beginning. But, yeah, but then he got into the best shape of his life and pliability. We can't do it that way.

After the injury. Right. So is Patrick Mahomes built that way is what I'm guessing? Because I think part of my concern about how is this guy going to age is he's never been fully dedicated to, you know, taking care of his body in the same way. And the other thing. Hold on. That last thing, I fundamentally disagree with you on.

The idea that he's never been fully dedicated, the guy has played an extra season of every other player in the league, and we saw him come back, miss no time with a high ankle sprain in route to winning the Super Bowl. He was playing through a knee injury this last month on the injury report, and it finally gave out on him. The fact that that's why I think that picture is dumb, because it implies the guy is not putting the work in on his body, when I think what it actually, I don't think that's the message it sends. I think that it is what leads to, like the show Lamar shirtless compared to Patrick, Lamar's dealt with injuries throughout the whole tenure of it.

Like, I don't think those things go with each other, like the chiseled upper body, and therefore that is I'm putting in the right work to stay on the football field as a quarterback. and he didn't, this was not an injury that he suffered because he was out of shape or something like that. This happens. It's football. But if you're asking me to be a seer and guarantee he's going to come back as good as before, I obviously can't do that. Is my money on him literally and figuratively? Of course it is. My money is on him too, but I'm saying they just missed the playoffs and he tore his knee at 30. I think it's totally fair to question how is that going to age. when at 30, it seems to have hit a wall.

And I just think that he's not, you cannot doubt Mahomes and doubt what football and ravages of the body are done over seven years of trying as hard as he has, even if he's, even if he's built like Derek Henry, like you're allowed. Guys, he turned, hold on, he turned 30 three months ago. We are, we, we, quarterbacks play at a super high level. And he missed a playoffs. That's how it works. 30s say it again what you said but yeah but I understand it's not myopic though like yeah he turned 33 months ago and they just missed the playoffs after playing in damn near every Super Bowl the last decade I think it's fair yeah and and and I guess I and I I the again I guess you're asking you to prove something that is unprovable the point that I would make and I'm not trying to be combative and I'm not trying to be annoying but maybe I don't know any other way

is there was unless they were going to have an endless run at some point they were going to have a down year and whenever that happened it would also as a tautology be when mahomes and Andy are the oldest so at any point whenever they have the down year it could be like well all of it caught up to him and they're older and Andy's lost his fastball a bit and Patrick's all of it now there is a real factor of a real you know sports tragedy of he suffered a devastating injury which I am not overlooking what I am saying is we we consistently see guys at skill positions come back so the Stefan Diggs come back from a torn ACL as a much older wide receiver so I don't think that this is going to have some super long-term knock-on effect. I am worried that if he continues the Brady trajectory, Brady, his first year back from the torn ACL, they won 10 games. It was one of

his worst statistical seasons. They got clocked in round one of the playoffs 33 to 14 by Baltimore, and he wasn't back to being Brady till the next year when he was the best quarterback in the league in 2010 and they were 14 and 2. But even that year, they ended up losing in the first round of the playoffs for Mark Sanchez. And so Brady went three years, wrapped around the ACL without winning a playoff game. If that happens to Patrick, it will just be conventional wisdom. He's done. They're done.

Tom, of course, then went to eight straight conference championship games and five of the next eight Super Bowls. So I guess we'll see. But you keep wanting me to say, I'm worried. I'm not worried. And maybe I'll be an idiot, but I'm not worried. He's got to go because he's respectful of his colleagues and he's got a meeting to get to. He's the host of FS1's First Things First. He's also got the podcast, What's Right with Nick Wright, that he does with his son.

You came on here and you said at the beginning, I don't want to do editorial judgment for this show, but let's do some on the way out. Would you like me trying to say, would you like to hear me trying to say the word matriculate earlier in the show? Or would you like to hear the sound of Pablo making a joke to Adam Freeland that made you roar with laughter? I'd like to hear, matriculate, please. I'd like to hear that. Let me hear it again. Matriculate the ball down the field. You know what, Dan, I think that was a good effort.

No edit there. Whether you did that intentionally or not, I mean, to start with the Chiefs and then to end with a phrase that was created by the first legendary Chiefs coach, Hank Strom. I mean, that's why that's why you're the goat, bro. I mean, really, you really wrapped it all together. Uh, I didn't by the way, I, um,

I mean, I wasn't really, I wasn't trying to yell at you, bro. So I, like, this is sincere. I wasn't trying to yell at you. I was. Um, you were trying to yell at me. That's fine. I know, that's fine. I just, I, I don't, I don't need any more, I don't need any more beefs. I, you know what?

I, uh, I feel. This wasn't a new one though. We've had this one go for a couple of years now. Oh, yeah, because you're mad because you thought you came up with the idea of like, hey, let's call NBA players superstars. I do have to go. Good to see you guys.

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I've got a couple of questions that I want to get to with the group. Because Chris Cody said in the middle of that, we're stuck in the mud. We're stuck in the mud talking about Patrick Mahomes. And I don't think there will be a bigger injury in that sport because that's the guy who's inherited from all the previous quarterbacks as Aaron Rogers hangs around and Tom Brady is in the booth. Like that's the centerpiece biggest star in the league. I know Travis Kelsey as well.

But like him getting hurt and us wondering aloud, ah, is that it? And him saying, no, it's fine. It'll be another decade. It's a pretty big golf. He did cite blind faith. he's just he's the best i've ever seen so i trust him to do it when we're just holding up the very recent post-30 data point of well they're not in the playoffs and he just got hurt in a way that he's never been hurt that's the problem with nick's counterarguments because Mike isn't

saying he's fat now and his don't mike just saying hey this is a legitimate concern and Nick's like no it's not and that was his whole day i'm like well if it isn't then what just happened because they miss the playoffs he's 30 but the golf here to me that's sort of most interesting on, well, I saw Brady do it. He played forever. I think it sort of ignores that Patrick Mahomes on third and six is always running for seven yards. Like he's been doing it for 10 years. He runs for seven yards on third and six and extends the drive. Brady didn't have to do that. Like Brady, they didn't ask Brady the last 15 years when the margin in that sport is the guy who's the running back, you know, a bunch of people are blocking each other and the guy who's the

running back hits the corner because he's this much faster than the corners. When Lamar Jackson can be derailed from MVP to wait a minute, what's happening here when he's got to play differently? How did that happen that fast? I think it's fair to wonder, can football grind up Patrick Mahomes like it does other human beings? I think everybody agrees, though, he has the mental fortitude and the armed talent to change his game up. But in invoking Lamar Jackson, we were like, he relies on his athleticism so heavily that if he loses just a quarter of a step, that is going to make him a lesser quarterback. I think it's a big unknown as to how much this is going to affect Patrick Mahomes going forward, given that he was rushing this year more than ever.

The thing that is amazing to me about how that sport churns up the people who play it most athletically. As you watch Aaron Rogers sort of stumble around, you see all the age on him. There haven't been a lot of quarterbacks in the history of the league that are real good running for seven yards on third and six every time. Like he's playing right in the middle between the most athletic of the scramblers and the most precise of the dropback guys. And I would assume there's a physical cost to that. It was almost as if Nick, even though he conceded that he knew the chiefs weren't good enough, which is, I believe the first time he admitted that. The first time he admitted it was after they were eliminated from playoff contention.

It feels like history is already going to forget that they weren't good enough to make the playoffs on their own. Like, it's already become, kind of like how the Raptors, I feel, we're going to beat the Warriors either way. Warriors fans can always hold on to the injuries that happen there. This little blip in Nick's mind, it's going to be a blip, was, ah, Mahomes got hurt that season, let's take away from Josh Allen. That ain't right either. He was healthy. He had to make that field goal to continue making the playoffs. And even then, they weren't going to make it.

And it's awfully super lucky for Nick and convenient to turn it around and say, Ah, Mahomes got injured. That's why Josh Allen got that ring. It's a half a ring. Get out of here. So 10 years from now, do you think Nick's argument is going to be? Well, that was it, your Mahomes got hurt. And he'll completely forget that they were terrible.

He will totally forget. I think he already has. I think the nation already is subscribed to this narrative that, well, Mahomes got injured that year. Dog, they stunk. That's a good show. injured after the injury. It's a good show, yo. You yelling, get out of here, and him yelling, you jump in the ocean. Like, that's where all of this has to descend to. Can we get the useless sound montage ready as a pallet cleanser here? I need to laugh at Mike Tomlin and Sean McVeigh.

Mission accomplished. Simple is going back to work, and we got to get better. We all always talk about, let's not react, let's respond. Out there from the anthem, and as the game just got going, I was just thankful, grateful that I was out there. There were just some things offensively that we were doing, and we're messing ourselves up, basically every aspect. Their team was better than our team. There's a number of issues that we have to end up looking at,

and some of that you don't have to look at the film. We have to make sure that we move on quickly. We look at the film. We make sure we tidy up the things that we need to. You know, I want to look at the film first, Calvin. Staff and I, we're going to come in, we're going to watch this thing together tomorrow, all of us, In all three phases.

In all three phases, there's different areas that continuously need to improve upon. It's inexcusable if you don't make excuses. We had a young player that actually was blocking out of balance. That's what they were saying allegedly. So just being able to earn the right to be able to get the pen back in your hand a little bit defensively. My wife always tells me I'm crazy because there's been times in the last three or four years I said, I wish I could just throw one and get hit. Certainly we wanted to engineer victory, but we wanted to do it in a certain way.

The major focus to me was getting the ball in the end zone. We got to play better ball. We want to win games against good teams. When you give up that many points, that's tough. How well do you know your job? How well can you do your job? Guys just playing one snap at a time, Kurt. I think that was the key and critical factor.

Man, we love Monday night football. Strong, lower body guy, that's real. I know that on the end of the book, it says we turned the ball over, but we didn't turn the ball over. I don't think the weather was a factor. I think their team outperformed us. What's resulted in not having penalties has been the discipline of how we've been playing. You get a game like that, knew we're going to need some points.

You don't look at the scoreboard, you just continue to try to stack good plays, stay totally and completely present. They executed the night, and we didn't. We didn't expect it to be easy, but certainly after we got it going, we had a little bit of fluidity there. Really, at the end of the day, it's about pride that you have for yourself, your last name on your back, you know, who you are as a husband, who you are as a father, as a son, as a teammate. Isaiah has a knee. You know, we talk about our play style, you know, talk about play smart and finish that did not show up for us today. You do feel like we are improving in some ways. It should burn at you, you know.

It should eat you up. You got to care enough where this shit hurts. You got to fucking care enough where the shit hurts. It's got to fucking mean something to you. It's more than a job. It's your fucking livelihood. The fact that it's been 1,800 days since I've thrown a touchdown, you know, or an interception for that matter.

So we got both of those to check them. Staying in the moment, they kept making them snap it one more time on the defensive side of the ball. Supremely disappointed in the outcome. And, you know, I think it does a disservice to the objective, the work that we're doing on this opponent. I think the score was 13 and 13, or 13 and 10. So, still have a fighting chance. Are we out of the playoffs?

We are. Okay. It's that time of year. It doesn't need to be said. I mean, how do I answer that one, right? Without you really putting me in a, you know, obviously the family stuff is, what the hell kind of question is that right there? We believe in the strength of the pack, and a lot of guys stepped up certainly and made that a truism.

My wife is a total stud. You know, my respect just watching and getting an up close in person. look at this. I could never do this stuff. You know, see you next week. Keep watching. Put it on the poll as your wife a total stud at Lebitard show. Trista, are you cold? This seems to be an affliction in our studio. Yeah, it's freezing.

Okay, so you're struggling with the winters. Was Sean McVeigh saying he got an up close and personal look at the crowning of his child coming out of a vaginal canal? Is that what he was saying? I'm pretty sure that, yeah, she's a total stud. It was graphic. They gave the child a crown?

Did you guys do that? You got a peek. No. I went into the game there knowing I don't need to see what's happening there. That was the advice that I got. Don't look. Don't look. I'm going to tell you all right now, as crazy as it sounds, have you ever seen a C-section?

Yeah, that's actually what I looked at. That one is crazy. That one is crazy. I was trying not to look there. A lot of red. I saw the organs like, oh, right. Dan, listen to me. Listen to me.

Listen to me. No, no, no. Dan, you got to listen. You know about that C-section? Dan, O.G. Ananovi. Dan, for years, I'd watch movies. And they're like, oh, you know, the predator, like disembowls a guy and the guts and all that's up on. I'm like, that look fake as hell.

It's pretty surreal. Boy, this shit was on point. I owe and a massive apology to Hollywood. You guys know exactly what the insides of a person look like. I've seen it. It's wild. Having a conversation trying to motivate somebody while they're, like, in your peripheral vision, a spleen is just being lifted out of a body. Put it on a tray.

You just like, on a tray. Yeah, here you go. Just put it on this TV tray over here. Miracle of birth, huh? Holy hell. 28 points for OG Ananovi last night. Why would you need to motivate someone who's having the baby cut out of them? It's just something you say.

They don't have to do any work. You're doing great. I don't have to do any work at all. Keep it up. You're doing great. I'm not having my spleen removed. I'm so proud of you. Yeah, you're doing great.

Love you so much. You're so strong. Trista, it's optics. Oh, I see. Because if you don't do that, like this. Bastard. His poor wife was there getting shredded to pieces, and he just stood there, checking fantasy football scores on his phone. 20 more minutes, and you can eat sushi again. Ice chips.

Ice chips. Wife. Wife is a total stud. I want to get to McDaniel talking about benching, too, but before I do that, because this got away from me earlier in the show. So the Miami Heat are getting bleeped here in a way that's super strange and needs to be covered a little bit better. because the NBA is unprepared and for a gambling scandal that looks like this because how would they know what this whole Terry Rozier thing was given that, you know, they helped normalize all of this when they decided to get in bed with gambling partners like our beloved partner draft kings because there are dangers around some of this that we've seen and they're not totally prepared to handle all of the dangers that come as they try to figure out what the rules are. So it really seems like Adam Silver doesn't know what he's doing about the blatant unfairness that the Miami Heat traded for a player who had a gambling issue and now can't get rid of that contract and can't trade it. So let's listen to Adam Silver.

This is the first time I've heard him address this. And it seems fairly obvious. I'd like to know what I'm missing here, that the Miami Heat are just getting bleeped by the NBA doesn't know how to handle any of this because it's all new. and so he's out here pretending like he doesn't know anything and can't do anything as the commissioner of the league it's essentially out of our hands as you know these are federal indictments in the case of terry rosier in the you know in brooklyn new york the eastern district of new york um we had investigated him at

some point earlier we had not found sufficient evidence um to discipline him under the rules of the league and then at some point that investigation was taken over, you know, by federal authorities. So, as I said, it's in their hands. It's out of their hands. Like, does he think that people want him, the NBA, to put Terry Woodshire in prison? What's out of their hands? So the question was a long question by Tim Reynolds. Good job by Tim Reynolds for bringing it up.

Because I don't know anyone else there would have. It was the first question of the press conference. It was the first question. And it was a long, I don't know why. Well, no, Mike Ryan has made Tim Reynolds. Reynolds excommunicado. No, but he did a good job. You got to ask that question.

I think Mike Ryan gave you a blistering stare because you saluted Tim Reynolds. I got to be fair. You don't shush my boy in the Panthers press box. That's not something you do. Wilmanzo! You don't shush him. Mike Ryan bullied Tim Reynolds and it was unfair what you did to him and it was excommunicato. And what else?

What was the other? No longer friends. No longer friends with Tim Reynolds. You and I, not friends. You guys just reminded me now. There was a moment when I walked into the media work room and I was going to ask Vinnie Goodwill or something. And I came in a little jocular, but not, not overly loud and not long and pronounce it.

It's just like, hey, you know, some funny thing. And Tim was like typing and he turned around and he did give a look. Yeah, he's a professional. That has nothing to do with a professional. You're not professional. No, a professional, you know what a professional does? You keep a trucking despite all the distractions. You don't do the, stop making noises.

Hey, we're writing over here. Put on headphones. Get in the weeds. Welcome to 2025. A lot of ways to make content. It's not my only problem with Tim. But to answer Zazzo's question, Tim's question was long,

and the first part of his question was, can you shed any light on the status of the investigation to the arrest of Chaunce and Terry Rozier? That's the part that we just played there. That's the part Adam Silver was responding to. Tim's other part of his question was, is a part within that, Rosier remains on the books in Miami.

He's 17% of cap. Draft pick going there. Has a league considered any release? to the heat about what they can do in that situation. That answer that he's giving is not to that part of the question. Okay, so then, so then, yeah, so then the commissioner does answer the part about the Miami Houston, like if there's anything that they could do in regard to that situation. I believe we also have that.

No, he does not have it yet. We'll come back with it in a second. But before we go any further on this, what is the framing that anyone outside this could say, this is not Miami homerific protectionism. It seems like the Miami Heat are getting bleeped here by something that the NBA doesn't know how to handle. Right. The thing they're getting bleeped on, right,

is if it was known, this guy is under investigation, even if Adam Silver is saying, hey, we only have limited tools in terms of investigating this kind of allegation. We exhausted those tools, and so we couldn't have an adjudication there. But if they knew that there was something greater at play than them, meaning the federal investigation into him, and they allowed that deal to happen, then there, to me, I feel like there has to be a recouping of that conversation. Having said that, this is kind of like Mike's thing with Mahomes' doors, ACL, so that's why the Chiefs missed the playoffs.

Well, no, they were awful anyway. He did the deal with Terry Rose. It was a bad deal. him like getting indicted or not does not impact the value they got out of the deal okay so here is the commissioner now addressing the Miami heat part of this whole situation in terms of Miami you know this is an unprecedented situation and I think I'm incredibly sympathetic to the heat and to their fans but I think you know we're going to try to work something through work this out with them but there's no there's no obvious solution

here. I would just say that there's no doubt at the moment they have a player that can't perform services for them. And as to the draft pick they conveyed, you know, obviously he hasn't been convicted of anything yet either, but this is an unfortunate circumstance. But, you know, sometimes there's these unique events and maybe sometimes, you know, they require unique solutions. So we'll be looking at this with the heat and the other teams in the league. and see if there's any satisfactory relief. But at the moment, there is none. He makes the rules, right?

Yeah, but what's the rule you want him to make here? The one for my team? I mean, like an unprecedented situation, so because it's never happened before, he doesn't know what to do. He doesn't have a clue. He's such a nothing. It was once unprecedented to take someone's team from them.

He's a nothing at himself. He can make the rules. They're his rules. What is the rule? What is the rule that you guys are looking for here? He's sitting here, arriving in a situation that he's saying, this has no precedent, and he's correct. And because they've gotten it wrong on how they handled it the first time, he could say, yeah, they should have their draft pick back. It's okay.

Okay, so then what happens if comes back, Terry Rozier, innocent, not guilty? Then what? Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, that pick that you got back, give it right back? Wait a second. What are we doing? The precedent can be we look at these things case by case. Sure. That can be the precedent.

Sure. I don't think he made a ruling in that statement. I think he's saying, like, I don't, we've got to see how this plays out. The Miami Heat claim that if they knew about the investigation, they would not have made this trade. So, it doesn't matter if Rozier is innocent or guilty. Give them the pickback. It's not due process here, I mean, that's not due process, that's criminal, that's court. That's not due process.

It's I'm the commissioner. I decide. I've made this decision. If I got it wrong, I'll fix it the next time. Let's be honest and transparent. Or, holy shit, I didn't realize that this could ever happen to me and I don't know what to do.