The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Amin's Shirt

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

We have an important conversation to clarify: is cocaine a Performance Enhancing Drug? Then, Lucy watched too much Love is Blind last night, and the crew has some STRONG opinions on this season. Plus, when Amin returns to the show, he explains his views on JJ Redick's criticism of basketball fans who don't want to learn about the mechanics of the game while wearing a very wrinkled shirt. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to DraftKings Network. Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries

if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show.

DraftKings, the crown is yours. Something that we talked about yesterday that we skipped right past, and I didn't expect to then see Johnny Manziel talking to Shannon Sharp about it later in the day. I don't know how we stumbled upon it. It was not the Jimmy Garoppolo story that largely gets ignored.

He's got a two game suspension for prescribed medication that is being described as a performance enhancer. And we yesterday just sort of, I said flippantly, cocaine has to be a performance enhancer for a singular game, right? Oh, you brought that up when we were talking about Maradona. Okay, yeah, for a single game I would think cocaine is a performance enhancer, but we have some Johnny Manziel sound and I had never heard it put quite this way.

Johnny Manziel is talking to Shannon Sharp who's doing a good job of getting good guests and just giving them the great deal of room that people want to hear from them. And Johnny Manziel gave up more in this interview. He was making the rounds during the selling of his documentary, but he hadn't put anything quite like this. And it was on the follow-up from Shannon where he's asking him how, before football season, he goes from 210 pounds to 170 pounds.

I was 210 pounds when I left Cleveland. I was 170 pounds sitting in Vegas that August, that September, October, whatever it was later in the year. How you lose 40 pounds? You're on a strict diet of blow. And that's what it felt like when he was in Vegas. I feel like a lot of people were watching that and seeing all the spiraling in it.

But I would say, and I ask people, I am not obviously a cocaine user, I'm scared of ever even trying cocaine because I have some addictive impulses and I know myself well enough to know that that would be a particular kind of horror to be addicted to Cocaine and over over time. Thank you Tony. I've been told over time It is in no way a problem all the money you're saving on food

Yeah, that's right. Especially me at LeBatard show put it on the pole is cocaine a performance enhancer for a single game Yes, or no, what are your thoughts there? I mean for a single game, yes or no? What are your thoughts there, I mean? My thoughts are no, man, because your brain's going at 100 miles an hour, although it could be a performance enhancer in terms of like quick weight loss? No, but what about, I mean, if people take Adrol for focus, if people, I mean, Ocho, you mentioned Ocho Sinko, he said he used Viagra as a performance enhancer

because of how much clarity it seemed to give him. Does that, no, that's the, I didn't believe him when he said that. Okay, I don't know whether I believe him or not. Let's do a quick Google search real quick. I'm about to start calling it. Cocaine as a pre-workout, colon, in extreme danger. Yeah, I'm glad someone's doing the responsible.

Who wrote that, though, nerd? Also, if the blood is not going to your substance abuse treatment clinic How is it? How's it making you more clear headed like you're getting less blood flow to the brain? I mean all of it to the other head all I'm thinking about is Clarity about one thing at that point, but they've opposed that let me know. Oh, that's true No, here's a question for you guys. All right. Have any of you ever done at all? I've done a half an Adderall once and I told myself never again.

The anxiety crash that I had afterwards took me weeks to recover from. I've done Adderall one time. It's the most hilarious story ever. I was trying, this is during the pandemic, like I'm trying to write and I'm not focused enough, right? And so my buddy says, you've tried Adderall. I'm like, no.

I was like, oh no, you gotta do it. You know, lock you in, you'll be all focused. All right, cool. So I'm sitting down, I'm about to write, and I'm like, I'm feeling kind of unfocused. Oh, you know what, let me try this Adderall. So I pop it, and then I'm waiting for it to kick in. And I'm like, well, I'm waiting, I might as well order lunch. So I start saying, you know, going through Uber Eats, and I'm like, oh, Chick-fil-A, I haven't had Chick-fil-A in a while, look at some Chick-fil-A. So then I'm like, wait a second, is it faster for me to go pick it up or order it? And I'm like, oh, Chick-fil-A. I haven't had Chick-fil-A in a while. Look at some Chick-fil-A. So then I'm like, wait a second. Is it faster for me to go pick it up or order it?

And I'm like, you know what, I'll just go pick it up. Then I was like, is the Chick-fil-A, I'm pretty hungry. I want nuggets, but I also want a sandwich. Is it cheaper to get the sandwich meal with the nuggets on the side, or the nuggets meal with the sandwich on the side? And I'm doing all of these calculations in my head, and I'm like, oh my God, it's the Ad Roll!

It's the Ad Roll, it's making me do this. It took me to this crazy, crazy next level of just mental acuity. You know what the downside was? Didn't write a word. I could not, it did not help at all. Just to be clear, the performance was enhanced in this regard when it came to you and Adrol.

You went down to write something and instead ordered a sandwich. It gave me the wrong kind of performance enhancement. He had to figure out if the sandwich and Nuggets combo was cheaper or the Nuggets and sandwich combo was cheaper. It's too totally wrong. What is that movie about a pill with Bradley Cooper?

Limitless. Limitless, okay. Actually, I thought it was gonna be. It's just no Daphnil. Fob. I thought it was gonna be, Fob. I'm sorry, limitless? Look. Come on, man.

I don't know. I don? Look. Come on, man. I don't know. I don't know. People start to dialy, or constrict and everything? Oh, man. I like that movie. Put it on the pole. Did you like the movie Limitless?

So I don't really have a lot of personal experience doing Adderall, but I was recently having a conversation with Leeman about caffeine before a workout because everyone knows I really, really like espresso, which has a lot of caffeine in it. And I tend to take an espresso shop before I go to Pilates class. And I was asking if you thought that that would

dangerous for my heart because it makes your heart beat faster and it kind of makes your mind race a little bit. And then I realized that Pilates, like every single woman in my class is drinking a Celsius while they're there. So I feel like one shot of espresso is not that bad, right? Lucy, can you tell me what Nick Saban's comments here were recently about running the entire sport about being ready for the...

Transition. Was he talking about cocaine? I thought Nick Saban's on coke! Good Lord! Is he on Adderall? I saw that Lucy saw the way that Jessica was talking and wanted a part of the microphone. And so I wanted to include her.

Well she did the Dan Campbell caffeine thing once, so Lucy tell us how that was. Did you work out afterwards? Oh, that went so bad. I could not work out afterwards. That was maybe the worst day of my life. Just an absolute terrible idea. And I didn't even do the full Dan Campbell

like double Starbucks drinks. I did like a more mild version of it, because I'm a lot smaller than Dan Campbell. I was like halfway through the second drink and I was like, I am gonna die. Like I'm gonna die and I was posting updates on TikTok and I had a doctor reach out and was like, girl, you gotta stop doing this.

Like this is a really, really bad idea. And then I pretty much just shit my pants and it was a terrible day. Dude, that's like the first time I had a vodka Red Bull. I didn't know Red Bull had caffeine in it. So I was doing vodka Red Bulls. It was an open bar. I'm like, this drink is amazing.

And when I got back to my hotel room, I literally just sat there and vibrated. My entire body was just shivering with my eyes wide open. I was like, but I'm so tired. I want to go to sleep. Yeah, I was like curled up on the tired. I want to go to sleep. Yeah. I was like curled up on the bathroom floor and it was like 2021, 2022, like COVID was so pretty prevalent in LA.

And I was like, I need to go to the hospital. I feel so bad, but I cannot with the straight face be like, hey, guys, I'm here because I wanted to do a funny little TikTok video. I was like, I'd rather die than face the embarrassment of that. So I sat there and then I went to a friend's house and I told her everything that happened and we were supposed to go on a hike.

She was like, girl, I know, bad call. We did not go on a hike. It was a really tough day. I do not recommend trying the Dan Campbell Coffee Challenge. Dan, to answer your question, ultimately, I think if you're an experienced cocaine user, it's a performance enhancing drug. If it's something that you're a novice to,

it takes you a while to Understand how your body reacts to these stimulants. So in the case of Diego Madonna, that's kind of like drinking water for him So him using that gives him that edge that he can kind of keep going It's like a marathon runner instead of drinking water as they give it to you Smike a little you know, you know what and then you keep going I like his explanation. Did you want the answer? No, that's the answer it to you, make a little you know what and then you keep going. I like his explanation. Did you want the answer? No, that's the answer.

Please. I did see video, I don't know what was the documentary I was watching about Maradona, that there is video of him doing, somebody on the field running onto the field and giving it to him, him using it during a game like just on the middle, he's a starter, it's not even on the sidelines. That's the Maradona documentary, the excellent Marad a game, like just on the middle, he's a starter. It's not even on the sidelines. That's the Maradona documentary, the excellent Maradona documentary. One of the best sports documentaries ever.

I know we were talking yesterday about the last dance, like it's not a documentary, it's a commercial. Like the Maradona documentary is a documentary. You should watch it for sure. Also, it'll solidify how he is the greatest Argentine player ever. Wasn't it an all-star game that he did it in? Like where they ran onto the field and gave him the bag of Coke? I think it was an all-star game that he did it in like where they ran onto the field and gave

Him the bag of coke and equipment person brought it to me. Just snorted the game You mentioned excellent documentaries the rock is now doing one with Rick flair and I thought Rick flair had already been done correctly It's on Netflix is it a is it a 30 for 30 and there's a bio pic. All right, so that's different. Yeah, no one's actually, how do you, how do you try to replicate Rick Flair's natural charisma on the screen because what you're going to be compared to is so out there. I think I watched the Iron Claw and I really liked it. I thought 824 did it.

It's hard to like that movie because it's really tragic. If you're familiar with the story of the Von Erick's, it's a bit of a bummer to watch, but they have, the movie's almost entirely ruined because they just did such a poor casting of Ric Flair. They should have cut it out of the entire movie. Would they cast a black guy? That would be better.

That would be pretty good. It would actually, in terms of what Ric Flair was going for with Charisma probably would have been a lot better than what they ended up landing on which was terrible. Like you have this wet blanket of a Ric Flair just going through a famous promo and the entire time you're just comparing it to if you're familiar with the source material who's not familiar with Ric Flair. He's one of the most recognizable people on the planet. You're forced to say this pales in comparison

of the real thing. Is Ric Flair one of the most recognizable people on the planet? Put that on the poll at LeBertard show. His life is unrelentingly interesting. I mean, struck by lightning, plane crash, and what you made me think of it when you said, well, are they gonna do the real story?

Because the real story's dirty. The real story will, the real story, you will find out stuff you do not want to know. So executive produced by The Rock, hell no, it's not going to be The Real Story. What are you talking about? You think The Rock is going to do a biopic about a fellow wrestler. But why do the story about Ric Flair, unless you're going to do it honestly, the best version of that story is the honest one.

Money, lots and lots of money. I don't think it, like the one thing in Ric Flair's past is the plane ride from hell where according to first hand accounts, he walked, they were on a tarmac for 12 hours with an open bar, they went through several crates of alcohol there and at one point in the flight he got up, put on his robe and only wore his robe

and essentially did meat spins in front of flight attendants. He talks some about that, yeah. But that's like the controversy in his past. Meat spins? I'm just sure there's more controversy than that if you were coming up in the 80s in wrestling. Like it was just foul. I can understand, Dan, I'm a bit of more controversy than that if you were coming up in the 80s in wrestling. Like, it's just foul. I can understand, Dan, I'm a bit of a student of the game.

Like, when it comes to Ric Flair, that is about the worst controversy there is from him, and I don't think that they would have trouble like touching on that. I probably should have used a different word. Yeah, I don't want to be touching on the meat spins. I think all of wrestling has a pretty big public reckoning. And they kind of dip their toes into it when the Me Too stuff

was going on. There was a wrestling version of Me Too, but a lot of open secrets, a lot of people, that a lot of rumors in Uendos and Whispers never really quite bubbled to the surface. And I think the Vince McMahon stuff is now acting as an on ramp for a lot of these really brutal stories, covered up rapes, just terrible stuff that's now like getting the proper amount

of attention. We were so close to getting that Nick Saban information from Lucy. We were right there. How much coke does he do, Lucy? The Dan Lovatov Show was still got to sponsored by BetterHelp. A lot of us spend our lives wishing we had more time. The question is, time for what? Go for a run, take a nap, read a book, show up for a friend? If time was unlimited, how would you use it? The best way to squeeze that special thing into your schedule is to know what's important to you and make it a priority.

With more time available, individuals may find it easier to schedule therapy sessions without feeling rushed or overwhelmed. This can lead to more consistent attendance and greater engagement in the therapeutic process. Therapy can help you find what matters to you so you can do more of it. If you're thinking of starting therapy, get better help or try. It's entirely online, designed to be convenient, flexible and suited to your schedule. Just fill out a brief question to get matched with a licensed therapist and a Swiss therapist anytime for no additional charge.

Learn to make time for what makes you happy with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com slash D-L-B today to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHelp. H-E-L-P dot com slash D-L-B. Don Lebatard! That's better help. H-E-L-P.com. Slice-D-O-B. is what allows Stugatz to take a very wealthy vacation right now. Stugatz! It's a winning position for everyone but me. Haven't you guys not figured this out yet? That's the whole thing is me being a rotten straight man as everyone else gets to be incompetent and I yell at them for being incompetent and here's the miracle of it. It's the magic elixir. Bad,

which is the only thing Greg Cody can be, becomes good and lovable. And it's because standing next to obnoxious Strident me makes everyone look that way. Yeah, and the brush with death helped. Yeah, that was planned by me The whole thing was contrived this is the done levitar show with his two guys Lucy I want those Saban takes and I want yesterday's Love Is Blind takes too. I want both of them. You don't seem like you're yourself today because you feel like you're saturated in whatever gross thing you did yesterday with Love Is Blind

and you don't seem like you're quite as energetic, champagne bottle opening effervescent as you usually are. Yeah, I lost a ton of brain cells yesterday. So we wanted to talk about Love is Blind this week. Everyone has been talking about it out there in the main area. I was getting serious FOMO. It's like, all right, fine, you know what?

I will sit down, I will contribute, I will work hard. So yesterday, left work, went home, I logged into Netflix. By the way, it got kicked off my dad's Netflix. That's rude. They caught me, they were like, girl, you way, I got kicked off my dad's Netflix. That's rude. They caught me, they were like, girl, you do not live in North Carolina, and we can tell. So I had to pay for Netflix.

Do you know it has ads now? It has ads? What the heck? So yesterday, you're saying this is work, to watch love is blind. You went and bought Netflix, did you charge the company for the work? Can I?

I don't know how that works. Definitely. Yeah, okay, so I'm gonna do that. You guys owe me $7.21 now. You went and bought Netflix, did you charge the company for the work? Can I? I don't know how that works. Yeah, okay, so I'm gonna do that. You guys owe me $7.21 now. So I said, all right, I'm gonna sit, I'm gonna watch Love Is Blind, I'm gonna contribute. Six hours later I'm like, oh my God, I can't function. My brain is rotted.

Those episodes are so long, they're like an hour long. And I think I kind of understand what happens. I don't really want any of them to find love Is how I left that show I was like I don't really I'm not rooting for any of your happiness actively Love shows are always popular. Are they not all of these things love is blind is hugely popular on Netflix anything that is people Seeking love or dating all of these things are goldmines, correct? Am I like? or dating, all of these things are gold mines, correct? Am I like guilty pleasures of the bachelor? I like that show.

I don't really root for love on there either, but I like it. This, I love the like social experiment aspect of it, of like love is blind, no it's not. It is so not blind and we learn that every year. And so it's basically like, do you know the premise of it? I do not. Okay, so basically they take these people,

and this group of people is from Charlotte, so they all go and they are in these pod rooms where they're talking to one another, but they cannot see each other. And so basically you go in the pod room and you go on these dates with different people, and then to get out of the pod room, you have to get engaged to somebody

who you've never seen before. So you get engaged, is that how it works? There's like a two week span where they're dating, right? So there's like 14 men, 14 women. Two weeks? Yeah, so they're- I thought it was like three days. It might be more.

But never seeing each other. Never seeing each other. So they live in separate quarters, but they go to these rooms. So imagine a room like this, but the glass is tempered and you can't see through it. So you're having conversations and quote unquote dating people through the glass and trying to figure out, Hey, am I compatible?

Is love blind? Do I need to see it? I don't need to see the person to fall in love with them. And spoiler alert, everybody falls in love. It feels a bit of like a Stockholm experience, but we'll get, we'll get to that in a separate time, but in a separate time, at a separate time. No, we're also going gonna get there serpent time. A little bit, especially if I'm telling the story.

The social experiment aspect of it, I agree with Lucy, is the intriguing part because you're speed dating strangers that you can't see essentially. And the promise is that if you fall in love with someone, you will get engaged and then get married by the end of the series, which is maybe like a month time period-ish, six weeks.

And then at the altar, you will say I do, or not say I do, and that is the series finale of every season, is you find out, basically, people get left at the altar every single season of the show. So you go into the pods, right? And then from the pods, you get engaged, and then they take all the engaged couples.

There's a lot of couples that don't make it on the show, by the way, which is and they just like don't talk about them whatsoever. All these random people in the room you're like should I know who that is? They just take the best stories, right? They take the best 20% of the stories and the best bad stories. That's right. The most of them are really that great. Yeah, so they take them from the pods then they take them to usually a kind of honeymoon of sorts prior to Getting out into the real world. So this time they took them to the Dominican Republic usually they take them to Mexico So they have this like week of oh my god, we're in love. It's the honeymoon

Everything is so great and then you start finding out. Oh wait, you kind of brush your teeth weird Oh, wait a second. You kind of chew with your mouth open. I don't like that So they start kind of picking apart the certain things of now that they're in person with each other, they start figuring out. So from there, then they take them back to their home city and now they start living with each other, right? For like another two weeks until the wedding. So they start meeting the families,

they start meeting friends, and then you start finding little things out because the whole thing is there's love triangles everywhere, right Dan? So in this particular season, Jimmy and Chelsea... The worst. ...sucks. Sucks.

The worst. Okay, so Jimmy is in a love triangle with Jess, not that one, with Jess and with Chelsea. Jess has a 10-year-old daughter. Jimmy didn't like that. Chelsea is more, she's a flight attendant. That didn't come up in their conversation. No it did, which is what kind of turned him off. And he's like, oh, I don't know.

And then he goes to the next date, which is literally like five minutes later, to Chelsea. Telzer loves her, proposes to her, and they're off and running, right? So there's a love triangle now where Jess is, like Lucy said, conventionally attractive, right? She's a very like, she's like very, She's a hottie, she's like very,

she's a hottie. She's, yeah, she's very like TikTok attractive. She's a very beautiful woman. Chelsea is also beautiful, but Jess would be considered more traditionally attractive than Chelsea is. Chelsea also had this little bit of an incident where she, he was like, what do you look like?

And she was like, I've been told I look like MGK's girlfriend, who is Megan Fox. Like, they have- That's machine gun skippies inspired. I know, I saw that trending. I saw that whole thing of now, a lot of people making fun of who doesn't look very much like Megan Fox.

Yeah, and so they didn't really look alike. He, when she was like, oh yeah, that's what people tell me I look like. He was like, I would marry you right now. Like he legit said that. That's the point right there. Cause love is so blind. Cause love is so blind. At that point in, he just, in his mind, he's like,

oh, I'm good. Like, whatever happens with the chick with the 10 year old, doesn't matter. I got Megan Fox waiting on the other side. I'm all right. And then he ends up choosing her. Is the show, does the show end very often with something that feels like love being found and enduring?

Or is it all just watching the deterioration of love episode after episode? Has there ever been a TV show where it feels like they're leaving with love? I mean, the Bachelor does have a couple of success stories in their history, do they not? In 30 years, they got like four people that are still married. I recently read that the only couple that is still together from season one of Love is Blind, which came out in 2020, which I believe is why this show kind of latched on to people, because there was not a lot out, like we talked about yesterday. One of the only couples that is still dating from the show, or still married from the show,

is now in couples therapy. I read that yesterday, I was very sad. I want to ask you, Lucy, if you feel at the end of, did you say six hours of love is blind? Yeah dude those episodes are so long, only more six episodes. Do you feel the way the rest of us tend to feel at the end of Sunday night when we haven't moved from the couch after watching too much football for 10 straight hours? Because nobody, no nobody, even the most diehard of football fan does not feel great at the end of Sunday night, correct? Speak for yourself. When I lived in LA and I did my college football Saturdays,

which was wake up at 8.30 in the morning, watch Rutgers Northwestern at 9 AM, and then sit there till like 10, 11 PM, finish pack 12 after dark and go hang out with my friends. I felt electric I had never felt better ever my step count was in the hundred that's different though because Saturday you have the Sunday to recover The I had to work on Sundays at my last job. So no Boom got your ass. You really did you really got your young person stamina is a sight to behold

You were the one who can handle an overdose of football. Dan, she's young, she still likes sports. I can. Can we have five more years in the business? I believe that the more you love the sport, the more Sunday night hurts, because you have to wait another week to get that particular infusion of the 10,

the 10, one o'clock game. Dan, I know that you feel this too. So when you're done with those games, then you're like, should I take a shower before the Sunday night game or not? Cause you only got that 20 minute window and then usually we do Sunday night live. So like, I don't-

Get rid of that Mike Ryan inner thigh smell. Right. So like, I don't know if I have the time cause then I do the show and then I gotta go straight to Sunday night football. So when Sunday night football is done and we finished watching Ram Seahawks and it's like, ooh, it was a barn burner 1310. I'm usually finding myself in the shower with the water hitting me in like kind of one hand like this, like leaning on the shower like that

and just letting the water hit me and just being like, I did nothing today. My wife hates me. I think there's an element of shame. You're saying it's about loving sports late in your life. I think the more you love sports, the more Sunday night hurts because you've just, you know you've wasted a day just with your guilty pleasure. What? Wasted a day? 17 of them, Dan.

I disagree. I was pretty sad this weekend. I was pretty sad. I'm not gonna lie. All Star Game didn't hit the way that I wanted it to. I needed something Sunday night. I miss football a lot. All right. Let me ask the audience this. You guys think I have this wrong? At LeBitard's show, you feel how after 10 hours of football on Sunday, on Sunday night, do you feel dirty

or do you feel exhilarated? How do you want me to ask the question? Because I thought everyone felt this way at the end of NFL Sunday. You got your fix, you enjoyed it, but it was too much. It was obviously too much. It was not a productive, Lucy's looking at me

like I'm super sure. Too much? This is your whole job, Dan. You should love this. But I do love it while I'm watching it. I'm talking about when it's gone. I'm talking at the end of it after it's over. You're talking about the crash after the sugar rush.

See, I didn't get much of a crash. Like living on the East Coast, I feel like I get less of a crash actually because I just go right to bed, because it's so late and I'm tired and I wake up and I'm here the next day. I don't really get a crash. I usually sit, and after my college football Saturdays and I sit there and I wake up and I'm here the next day. I don't really get a crash. I usually sit and after my college football Saturdays

and I sit there and I think about everything that happened and then I go listen to the shutdown full cast after dark. So when I get more college football and then I get to think about what they've said, I don't know, I'm having a really good time. I enjoy my Saturdays with three screens not moving at all. Mike, you feel good about yourself

at the end of one of these football 10 hour binges? No, but I generally don't feel good about yourself at the end of one of these football ten-hour binges, but I generally don't feel good about myself ever Can we go back to love is boy? Jimmy sucks Jimmy is terrible Lucy's only seen six of the episodes. I saw seven eight nine last night with my wife So there's stuff that happens in seven eight nine blows the top off of certain things certain certain Relationships don't make it. I don't want all the previews, so I think I kind of know what I don't know

I don't want us I don't want to spoil anything for those of you that haven't seen because it only came out yesterday But Dan when you're in a love triangle. It's not even a love triangle. It's a double love triangle However, we forgot about travel. We forgot about Trevor pointed star. So yeah What would that be called a heptagon is that seven whatever not the point the point is okay so if we can draw the diagram Lucy's gonna do it for you here so we've got Jess we've got Chelsea and we've got Jimmy at one point and we got a Trevor in here somewhere Trevor was the only or was the other guy that was dating Chelsea so now we have another triangle of Jimmy Trevor Chelsea.

Trevor is the guy who was like, everyone judges me cause my muscles are so big. He's to the right hand side if you're watching on YouTube. And if you could see Jimmy here to the left hand side, a bit of like a very poor man's. I don't know, Megan Fox was on this show. Yeah, right? A very poor man's Christian McCaffrey.

Like very poor man's, like Goodwill Christian McCaffrey like very poor man's like goodwill Christian Timu goodwill Christian McCaffrey the left You know there's a lot of things happening that we need to go to the next time Looks like the millionaire matchmaker woman. Does she not I don't know that is What is that? Megan Fox. Ah, it's Megan Fox. Don Lebatard.

All of us who were watching college football elevated everything the weekend was because we missed football in general so very much. You didn't watch the ending of UTEP Jacksonville State. It was awesome. It was easy. Boom. Stugats. Such a lane for you. Just everything in college football is awesome.

Any single thing that happens, she gets deliriously happy about. Don't you miss viewing sports through that prism though? Like I'm envious of Lucy. Like I wish that I could still be happy. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugas. I mean darted out to do Oddball. You can catch that Tuesday through Friday with Charlotte Wilder.

Love his basketball stuff and his unusual stuff. And he's happy to have sat out the last segment because he has no interest whatsoever. And Trevor and Chelsea and love is blind at all. The only thing I know about that show from this season is the woman who says her friends told her she looks like Megan Fox and I saw the picture. People told her not her friends, people. That wasn't Megan Fox. That's the segment that we just did about that. I just told the behind-the the scenes folks over here

that she looks more like Joe from Family Guy than she does. Nothing will ever go more viral than a million people telling a woman that she doesn't look like a hot person who she said she looked like. I mean, there is a resemblance. That's the worst part. They're white.

That you walk around in life and your friends tell you something, you're like, I could see it or whatever. And so what's usually would stay within your friend group and maybe a couple people you meet along the way, now is put on display for the world and the world is ruthless and muscle-less. Yes, of course, the internet is ruthless

and if Stugatz was on one of these shows, he'd be telling people he looked like George Clooney. And because it's love is blind and you've got to sell yourself. The thing that I wanted to talk to Amin about though, in terms of selling yourself, because I really do find fascinating for reasons that many of you are probably finding off-putting

because of how often I'm talking about the industry. But you know at this point that first take is gone from the most criticized show that ESPN had to now a real kingmaker in a space when all of these media members are creating their own content islands and businesses. The career of JJ Redick has been fascinating to me to watch for a number of different reasons. And keep in mind, JJ Redick had his choice of all the jobs he wanted in basketball, all of them.

He could have been a coach if he wanted to. That seems like a nightmare compared to what he's doing. What he's doing, very smartly, using first take as a tool, is being on first take, being smarter than anyone at ESPN about basketball and knowing that he's smarter than anyone at ESPN at basketball and now condescending both the audience and the people with him on first take with a smugness that is unique to him because he's a Duke guy and he's known how to be hated

for 25 years. And so I want to talk for a moment about what he did yesterday, a couple of different things that he did. One, he goes on first take purposely using that platform, the way Shannon Sharp is grateful for it while condescending it, while mocking it, while on it in a way that makes Stephen A. Smith turn up the argument and makes for good television, indisputably good television.

JJ Redick's good at television. Stephen A. Smith is great at television yesterday on the show j. j reddick pulled back the contrivance of the sports argument in a way that made shana sharp yell at him because shana sharp saying you got to discuss the hypothetical and reddick saying i talked in the meaning about this i don't have a place for disagreement here i want to educate fans i want to be smart don't have a place for disagreement here. I want to educate fans. I want to be smart. But you don't want the education, he says. When I put up a clip of nine straight Zion possessions, you don't want to see that. That's got 54,000 views. But when I say Doc's not

accountable, 10 million views, because that's what you want. And so I'm giving the customer what they want. And what he's doing is creating the career that all of these guys amine who are just as competitive at forty than they were at twenty they're all trying to win the media game and what JJ Redick is doing is he's now got some of the most powerful positions in sports to be smarter than others to remind you that he's smarter than others that he knows it and to deal with the consequences because he's been a villain for twenty five years of that wildly increasing his profile, because now he's polarizing as well.

He is a duke guy through and through, and to traffic on it for profit and retirement, he's gonna make more money post career than he made during his career. I don't know about that. I'm gonna check that one out. A lot of money playing, playing ball, man, especially those last few years in Philly and stuff. That guy's gonna have money. That guy, if he wants to work for 30 years in this business as Pat McAfee, he can do it.

He's building his own brand. You guys gotta pay attention to what these people are doing. You don't think Shannon Sharpe's about to make more money than he did playing? Yeah, because- 117 million JJ make. Dude, 117 million. And we got 50 million for Chris Cody!

Well, he didn't see it. No, when you break it down, Chris Cody didn't get 50 million for Chris Cody. Well, no, he didn't know when you break it down Chris Cody didn't get 50 million dollars Didn't get 50 million JJ Redick is his own brand our thing. That's got all of the 50 million dollars We can walk this take backs out. I don't think you have a lot of million He's gonna have a very successful media career. Is he gonna make a hundred million dollars on this side of his career? He's just starting and he's starting with one of the prime gigs in basketball. Doc Rivers wanted that gig. Like Mark Jackson was dying to get in that gig. He can coach wherever he wants. The rest of his career is gonna be whatever. You can argue with me with the semantics or you can argue with me by forty million dollars.

My point is these guys are gonna be just as competitive about the money post retirement as they were before retirement. Of course they're all competitive. I'm competitive about the money. Look we all are aren't we we're doing a thing here. We're all competitive Dan. But I think the interesting thing to me about JJ is JJ has been doing this the whole time where he's like he's right. He's like I want to do this stuff. I want to sit down with Tyrese Halliburton and talk about the thing Atlanta did where they Vacate the left side and and then all of a sudden you get a backstreet over here by a Kongu and then you get a wide open shop for book down He wants to do that talk, but you know what he discovered the same thing

I discovered when I was writing for he is being that comment like nobody gives a shit everyone likes to complain about All you guys do is this and that no one ever talks about the actual Basketball, but the reality is the actual basketball This is my theory that I've run with for damn near decade now what I realized is Basketball is a game that is a low barrier to entry in order to understand basketball Okay, there's two hoops this team try to score that way this team try to score that way You got a dribble in order to get from one place to another place, you can't pick up your dribble and then dribble again. Alright, I

get the rules pretty much. So people who watch a lot of basketball think they understand basketball, I get it, I've been watching basketball for a whole life. And the reality is they don't know what they're looking at. And so when people start to reveal to them how much stuff, you know, so many people think they don't run plays in the NBA, Like, are you insane? There's all types of plays getting run. But when we start to reveal what's getting run out there, you have one or two reactions.

Well, there's one reaction that's like, oh man, there's so much, I didn't know that's happening that I didn't realize was happening. And so there's one or two reactions either, wow, maybe I'm not as smart as I thought I was, or two, man, you're full of shit, right? It's to lash out because the feeling of, oh, I'm stupid, I'm not smart, is not something fans want.

So they watch the stuff that makes them feel smart. Kevin Dress not a leader, I'll tell you why. When has he ever let anybody, when has he ever won? That's an argument that someone can have a counter argument to and feel smart about you have done a record number of Fake voices today. I feel like you have done what you know You've done like seven or eight impersonations the Murphy one was my favorite shirt is just so bad You know what I can't take you seriously. It wasn't wrinkled on oddball the

Cameras in that room way better these cameras and I saw you trying to pull your shirt down We all saw you. to pull your shirt down. We all saw you. Then you just had like the Victorian era sleeves going. He was standing in front of the hand dryer in the bathroom for 10 minutes trying to get a steam on. It didn't work. That is one of the worst shirts I've ever seen.

Just, you're totally un-presentable. But then, to my point, right, it's a sport, it's a game that people wanna feel smart about because they feel like they watch it all the time. As opposed to football, where we have been programmed to know, oh, this is so complicated, Spider Y, X, Banana, 2-Zero, Double Zip, we love fans are programmed to think,

okay, so I don't know as much as these guys here, but I like crashes and stuff. You look crazy, put on a jacket, have some pride. I do have sweatshirts You know I something I have pride I don't find self-worth in what I'm wearing mr. Material you should no you really should consider changing your whole view my my Self-worth my internal locus of control happens around you look totally out of control. I look like you're falling apart No, yeah, it's not a good look. It's just really bad. You know what?

You do the runway stuff. I'll do the meat and potatoes, right? I'll do the real analysis that people crave. I'm embarrassed to look at you Yeah, you're breaking down backdoor screens. You're breaking down what coaches are doing and how that you know this guy's talking about fashion Impossible you look like you don't care at all about cleaning this pool What can you as a group explain to me whether you think the way Nick Wright does when he talks about vanquishing his rivals I've told you before if you've been listening for a while to me the victory in this is being able to do it. Like as I got later in life, competitive became less and less important to me. You used to be competitive at this?

At newspapering. Oh no, not at newspapering. That's early in my career. This was born out of a competitive nature to prove to Hank Olberg that he couldn't do it better. Well, I just, I wanted, no, I just wanted to have a voice opposite his on, in town, because. A little bit

It's okay remember the day that we beat him in the ratings. It was a big day. That's fine That's fine. I mean, do you think writers don't have egos? No, no, but everybody at the quarter deck a lemon drop Wow money back. Yeah power line road To answer your question just writing. Yes This I feel like Dan maybe I I just caught Dan at the right time, but it just feels like it's always been a labor of love, like let's have fun. Let's have fun. Well because you say, but you say money,

you were just saying for a second ago, we're all competitive about that. Yeah, but the money. And when I get accused correctly by the audience about talking the industry too much, it's only because I'm genuinely fascinated as people who are still coming up in it in some ways. Whether you guys are interested in watching the people who are taking the most interesting paths to the pioneering routes, it is really hard to retire from your sport and make a broadcasting career. Dreymon

is one of the few to figure it out. I'm going to do this right now. I'm going to start building it right now so retirement is easier and I'm fascinated by how Reddick has done it. If you told me when he was in college that he'd be able to pull it off, I'd say no, he's one of the most hated people. In the history of Duke basketball, like that's the most hated of the most hated, there's no way.

It is a pretty excellent point. I'd take myself back to that time. But he's doing it. I don't think I've ever really seen anything like that in college. I told Dan that up until like 2009, if you went to a Wizards game and the opposing team was on the free throw line, they would throw up JJ Reddick's face to make the crowd go crazy in boo. But to be now in his 40s, the dude that he was as a player,

which is he's going on first take and he's insulting everybody by saying, this is beneath me. Thank you for the platform. I'll use it for the moment. But I'm going to show you how I don't agree with how you guys do television. It's you guys are doing this dumber than I want to do it. But having said that, he does this shit all the time. Because remember when he said guys in the 80s played against plumbers and electricians, he said that on first take. This isn't the first time JJ Redick

has had some out of pocket, just Neanderthal sports take. So stop acting like you're above it JJ, cause you do that shit too. You're gonna get clipped and you're gonna be wearing that shirt and he is not even gonna clip the thumbnail. He's gonna be like, what the fuck is this? Look into this guy. Look at what happened to him when he left the ESPN.

Can you spare a dollar?