The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Apple Time, Apple Time (feat. David Samson)

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

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Zezla, why did you just squeal? Yesterday it was a snort, right now it was a squeal. You pointed to the set of Get Up here in the upper left-hand corner of the studio, and you had a radiant smile on your face. You were just buoyant, and it wasn't Panthers, and it wasn't the hatred of the Celtics or the Knicks. What was happening?

First of all, this is a great morning, because last night was a great sports night. I'm in a fantastic mood, all right. And yeah, it's just funny because the NFL schedule came out last night, which God, do I not care. But the NFL schedule came out last night and they're going over the Jets, the New York Jets schedule.

That's a win, that's a loss. Loves and losses, Dano. Best game. That's a win, that's a win. 15 and two. I have to assume it's Greenberg. That's a win, that's a win. 15 and two. I have to assume it's Greenberg. I mean, great, huge Jets fan. I have to assume those were Greeny's picks.

15 and two for the Jets. I'm taking the under. David Sampson is here right now. Nothing personal is the name of his podcast. What are you laughing about, Sampson? I'm laughing because I listen to Zazz and I see and hear Stu now. And it's just the, I'm taking the under.

He's just gotta do the Flemish laugh and then there's really no discernible difference. What? They're not the same person. Zazz is so much stranger. So much stranger. They're not the same person at all. How dare you?

Zazz is a journalist. Who's being insulted by that comparison? I can't figure it out. Oh, I think it's a tie. You know I love both of them. I just was laughing very hard. And Zazz, I apologize. I did not know we throw the word journalist around so much.

I thought that you were more of a talent. Let's move on. Let's move on. People in here are chirping at me, stop with the journalism stuff, only you and Greg Cody care. So I will- Fan-alist.

Fan-alist, top five fan-alist, are you ready to do what I mean? Top five fan-alist. O.L.I. Mike Greenberg. Wow. Everyone knows he's a big Jets fan, whatever. O.L.I.

Pat McAfee. Wherever game day is. Yes, he's a big Jets fan whatever oh I Pat McAfee wherever game day is yes he's up anything it's a good it's a good move I mean if you're a wrestling character it's a great move oh well I Jonathan Zaslow now we go to the top five. Number five, Mike Wilbon. The band Jersey. He'd be so insulted by that. Yeah. Number four, Bill Simmons. Would he be insulted by that?

Too low. Way too low. Number three, Stu Gatz. Number two, David Tamsen. He's a fan of money. He's the biggest fan of money I know. And number one, how is this even a debate? Stephen A Smith.

Nix fans want him near all of this? Yes or no? They don't. They really don't. They don't like him around any of it. They look at him as a bad omen. I saw the stat the other day in the second round the last three years on TNT,

the Knicks are like seven and one in post-season games. They're like 0 and nine on ESPN. Every time, everybody, in New York, there is a funny thing happening with fans do not want Stephen A. proclaiming to be a Knicks fan. Bad luck? You know who has the Eastern Conference finals this year? TNT?

Yes sir. All you gotta do is win one of the next two and you're going to the finals. Ernie Johnson predicted the Pacers, he had it totally right. I think we laughed at him. I don't think anybody laughed. Ernie Johnson, not a lot of people laugh at Ernie Johnson.

I know. When he speaks, I listen, especially when I don't actually watch basketball all that much. So I was like, Oh, this is pretty good. Let me take a look. By the way, Julius ran on another great game last night. I don't know if you're watching buddy. Oh, okay. I filled out one of those apology forms online. Can we talk about what happened with Golden State? They disintegrated.

Steph got injured. That's what happened. Jimmy Butler is not playoff Jimmy. He is, I'm old and done Jimmy. When he gave the interview post game and he said, hey, I try to get my teammates involved and he can playoff Jimmy, can be there, not be there. It's up to me.

I decide what I'm gonna do. And then in an elimination game, he takes 11 shots. That is not quite acceptable. And now the Warriors have him signed for two more years. They did what Pat Riley wouldn't do. Who's the genius now? Just say they're suckers. David, just say the Warriors are suckers.

Say it. It's hard to call a dynasty ending. I wouldn't call them suckers. They've got more rings. I assume they have more rings than, oh no. Are they tied with the Heat? Starting with Wade and Shaq and LeBron it may be for all no for three for three for three yeah but Butler was pretty good when Curry was healthy I mean you got to admit that he was well but that one let me examine for a second I need

to get to the text from last night because I think you guys will find it interesting and I also find interesting how often we can reframe the Jimmy Butler story from game to game series to series how loud noise and public relations can be around teams when I just said to you the most horrible thing I can say about non injured NBA player where they are in the state of their career barkley knows it wade knows that they knew it at the end pump fake jimmy is not forty points a game playoff jimmy and pump fake jimmy what he knows is holy shit these guys they these young people i've toughed them out for fifteen

years but here come the young people they've got fingers down to their uh... you know ankles and they're hanging on the rim, and they're bigger than me, and now I got a pump fake, and it's not gonna be playoff, Jimmy. It's pump fake, Jimmy, because my time's done. My time's over. Minnesota's big, man.

What am I gonna do? They're really big, and I can't get 40 foul shots. I mean, I think to Greg's point, though, Golden State, probably more than any offense in the league, is so dependent on the attention that Steph Curry draws that it changes the entire complex in the series if he's not out there. And so Jimmy might have looked a lot better

had there been the Steph Curry element because the other thing you gotta understand is Jimmy Butler, this is not an offense that's built around him, that's not even an offense that was built with him in mind. They had to adjust on the fly during this stretch of, you know, since early February. So when you take Steph off the board, more so than just, oh, they lost their best player, it changes the way they play in a way that, for instance, Boston losing Jason Tatum does not change the way

they play. They're still playing the same offensive system in the same scheme. That's not true for both states. That's one of the reasons I think they're legitimately dangerous. Okay, so hold on a second. To Jimmy real quick, obviously the entire offense changes, okay? And you know, to change your entire offense mid-series, you're really asking for a lot, alright? But Jimmy took 26 shots in game three, and in game four and five, he took a combined 20. What is that? What do you think that's about? I don't know. game three and in game of four and five he took a combined twenty we believe that's about i don't know

uh... let me explain some of it to you okay if i can please because jimmy is three four eight his last eleven elimination games okay so it's been a minute since you saw whatever it is that you remember uh... kevin o'connor says quote he hasn't dominated a game since the end of the heat box series over two years ago racks up seven rebounds per game and six assists per game but regularly plays passively and scores inefficiently and then this quote from steve current here's a cutter okay because it's where the argument was for the heat and jimmy kata

once steph went out it changed everything for our whole team but especially for jimmy and okay and and yes you can tell me, you can say to me, Dan, and they'll come back next year and they'll build it more around Jimmy. And I'm like, I mean, you and I have been talking for about two or three years. You really respect this process.

You know that Golden State is dangerous because they know how to be a champion. And I kept telling you, they're old, they're old, they're old, and you're telling me, and Steph, Steph, Steph. Dan, everything you're saying, I'm gonna stop you right there. Everything you're saying is irrelevant because Steph Curry didn't play if he had played and they lost now you get to do this

No, but I'm not I don't get to do this speech about oh, they're coming for their stuff. The guy was not playing He wasn't out there. There's no stuff that they came for my point is that you got Jimmy to be a number two You got you got Jimmy to be a number two because you're recognizing that he's aging You got Jimmy to be a number two because you're recognizing that he's aging. My point is, in the argument about where it is these people argued about money with Jimmy Butler, five years of LeBron James in Miami birthed that. The ego of that, the business of that. Five years of Jimmy Butler in Miami birthed someone who had the ego of, I'm playoff Jimmy. Everyone else bows to me, I am the

things that I believe in when I get tugged. The text I got last night is how many conference finals has Jimmy been to without Tyler Hero and bam. How many conference finals has he gotten to? He took the five years of Miami, LeBron made it what he made it, Jimmy made it this, and now the bet is next year next year that that thing's done in Golden State that ended last night. This does sound pretty petty to the neutral I must point that out which is what I'm sure your text message

was reeking with petty but I would say what is Jimmy Butler's biggest moment outside of a Heat uniform? It's irrefutable to me. His biggest moment? It's a practice in Minnesota. It's a practice. Beating the first team Minnesota Timberwolves, who just got eliminated by it, by the way, and said they're not winning anything with me, so all that banter came back around. Beating them while wearing a Rolex.

Let's see, all of these things are, number one. Yeah, he was talking about- Story reported by a mean. He was talking about them willing and desirous to pay Andrew Wiggins and Carl Anthony Towns, but reticent to pay him. Neither of those guys were on that Minnesota Wimbledon World's team last night. I'm just saying, this is where we're just making

petty arguments, but it's not, right. In terms of his biggest moment, that's probably his most famous moment. His biggest moment, I would say, is game seven against the Sixers, when he was the only one on the Sixers, game seven, excuse me, against at the sixers when he was the only one on the six of the by Steph getting injured and Jimmy was also hurt incidentally. Not played 55 games this year. No, but I, but hurt and Steve Kerr has said that if this were the regular season, Jimmy probably would have still been out from what happened earlier in the series.

Like this is my kind of David Sampson segment, by the way he's on, but we don't hear him. That's perfect. Thank you. Greg David. It's so good to see you. I didn't know you. That's really, I forgot you were still here. You put the T in team, Greg. Can I ask you a quick question? I don't mean to derail the show, because you know this firsthand.

Okay, what are the levels of championship rings? Obviously the players and executives get the top of the line. If you're giving out a championship ring to, say, a broadcaster or, you know or an assistant trainer or something like that, how much lower does it go in terms of the value of that ring, if you're willing to be that honest? There's an A ring, a B ring, and a C ring.

The A ring is diamonds, the B and C ring are cubic sarconiums. Thank you. Your Honor, I rest my case. Ooh, we got a counter judge! To the judge! We got a judge in the face of the judge! I rest my case, Judge! Courts, you think you could just walk into my courtroom and all of a sudden...

An expert witness has just testified! This was not a courtroom. We're not in session right now. None of this is admissible! If you're in the traveling party, you get the A ring. So there are some broadcasters who would get the A ring, but then there's some crew members who would get the B ring. Some players even got a B ring,

and then some staff get a C ring. And so the value, let's say it's $50,000 for the A ring, it goes down to like 5,000 for the B ring, and about 1,000 for the C ring, but don't get me wrong, they're all super cool. Hell yeah, David. Yeah, well, but the C ring's made out of tin foil, but still, it looks fantastic.

Okay, put it on the poll at Levitard Show, is Zazz's ring made out of tin foil at Levitard Show? I also think, though, I think one of the things happening here, David, I don't think I have this wrong. Show you a C ring. But I may have this wrong. Yo.

Can you guys find for me, The GOAT one? I don't like the GOAT one. I told you that. Put the GOAT one on screen. The rings of the Miami Heat, I believe the low end ring of the Miami Heat would be not cubic zirconia.

I believe the Marlins would do that to their employees. I don't believe the Heat would do that to its employees. So can I find out? I'm gonna try and find out. Because I don't think the lowest ring for the Miami Heat would be $1,000. I would assume it'd be about $5,000. What about? So just retext

the person who texted you last night about Tyler and Bam and ask yeah Call your source see if Pat picks up it was not oh It would have been text from a source that anyone knows it would have been one thousand, but then you know You did that thing for them, so that was widely man. We were carrying so much water remember We were like yeah, but you know that's what you do. Thank you for helping us avoid the apron. I still don't know how that worked. Like to this day, I asked Andy Ellsberg straight up the guy, the general manager,

the probably the smartest cap boys in all the NBA. I said, how did you get him to agree not to take money that was owed to him? And he just kind of smiled and he walked away from me. So, Baudin paid for it. We were retiring Bino Udre's number for avoiding the apron. David, did you know that Amin reported

the story of Jimmy Butler and he too is now a journalist because the myth of Jimmy Butler, the moment, Amin's making fun of me for talking about moments. I've been talking about moments a lot. I don't know what that means. Yeah, you do know what it means. I don't. Okay, what is the moment that Kawhi Leonard

of his career that you remember? Is it winning the championships or is it what he did at Philadelphia? It's winning championships. Okay, for me it's at Philadelphia. First thing I think of when a moment when I think of Kawhi Leonard is I think at Philadelphia. I kinda also think of LeBron saying,

yes, that curse word when he saw Kawhi checking in. So the difference between champion and moments, yes. But you seem to value moments over championships. To me, it's irrelevant. What's relevant is how much hardware you get. No, but it's how you remembered in the story when we write the history. It's like for people to remember the story.

Go ahead, Zed. I mean, the moment to me, I think of Kawhi missing the free throws in game six, which led to Ray Allen hitting the three. Also, there's a fictional moment that I've kind of made real. And the moment to me, I think of Kawhi missing the free throws in game six, which led to Ray Allen hitting the three. Also there's a fictional moment that I've kind of made real. It's kind of like in that Richard Gere territory, but where the legend becomes the truth. Apple time, apple time.

Oh my God. Dude, do you know, anytime I'm doing radio and the callers, we have calls the callers say, Hey, how are you guys doing? I always just say apple time, apple time. And no one ever picks up on it. I love that story so much, I'm with you Mike. That thing is real, I don't give a shit. It's a real story, Apple time, Apple time.

It's very effective to do something that no one picks up on. I like that. Samson, it's called world building, you should try it sometime. Yeah, real ballers know. Stu Gott's got a ring for selling Marlins tickets in 1997. That was a previous administration to David Samson, but I believe that would be the cubic zirconia ring I don't believe Zazz's

ring is cubic zirconia and I do believe that makes a difference if it's diamonds or if it's not. I mean I have the same ring that the other heat broadcasters like you think Eric Reid is wearing a you know cubic zirconia ring I don't think so. I would think Eric Reid would get a big time ring. It's the same ring. Same ring. He's not getting ring same ring. He's not gonna Do you know that yeah, I used to work side-by-side with these guys. How dare you David?

So the heat may not have done any levels of rings Dan. They may have done just one class No, there was a difference between the players players and then there's the top team employees But they're not giving the tin foil ones to Zazz There's the top team employees, but they're not giving the tin foil ones to Zazz. Well, I don't know what Zazz's role was. The guy who broadcasts the game is naturally going to get a better ring than the guy who does the pregame show or something like that, I would think. But he's just told you... How would you think that if he's just...

Yeah, I'm the source. Like I'm the guy. I'm telling you what it is. Yeah, did you take it to a jeweler with the thing on his eye? No, because no, because it's not it's worth what it's worth to me. I don't care what the dollar value is. Well, I would never sell it. We would send an appraisal. Did you not get that for insurance purposes? I didn't know. the heat. Should I? That speaks volumes. Yeah, we would, we gave that to all the A ring holders. No, I'm definitely not an A ring holder. I'm not an A ring holder. I'm not. Goat ring holder. No, I don't like that goat ring, dog. The ring's a ring. I don't think we should be quibbling about what level of rings ass has. Correct. He's got a ring. Correct. And that is the impressive part, because my guess is he's the only one in the room who has a ring. False.

No, that's not true. I just don't wear mine. Sunson, when she- 24 time champion columnist. Greg, can you listen to Means trying to talk in the other room? Yeah. Two time WNBA champion.

Oh, that's right. You guys don't respect women's sports and that's the problem. No, it's not that I don't respect women's sports. I had no idea that you worked in women's sports. Of course, I was on the Mercury staff. I did not know that. Congrats. Video coordinator for the first championship and I was doing analytics on the second one.

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David Sampson, weirdo. Because he was not the fun substitute teacher who'd wheel out a TV and play a VHS tape or Armageddon in science class. He was the weird one who would eat an egg salad sandwich while clipping his toenails into the trash can and ranting about Ronald Reagan. Stugats. The guy kept talking about how his ass was smooth, smoother than a newborn's cheek. He wouldn't stop bragging about his bare buttocks to me. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats.

with us two guys. So you don't have rings? I have two championships, but I don't have any physical rings. No, wait a minute. That means you don't have a ring. Hold on. That means you don't actually have a ring. It's a ring in your personal record book. That's a revelation. It's not a ring. The whole thing was stunning. The whole thing was stunning, but most stunning of all is that Amin is claiming to have a ring he doesn't have.

That's crazy. I have two championships. No, you don't because you don't have the ring. We have a championship with cyclones, we don't have a ring, we don't go around saying that we got a ring. Nope, you do. There's gotta be a ring.

Rings is just like a metaphor for championships. We got a banner. Not a metaphor to me, it's a physical thing. It's a jewel with value, less if the Marlins are giving it to you, more if the heat are. The value is in my mind. No! Did you get a pendant?

No! Did you get a certificate? David Sampson, I'd like to introduce you to Rich, Robert Sarver. I don't know if you're familiar with his exploits as an owner. Not exactly Mr. Moneybags. Well you do know that MLB, and I don't know about the NBA, but maybe we have a source. There is a pool of money that is given

to each World Series champion that goes toward the cost of the rings. Now, every team spends more, including we spent more, because you get more rings than what is allocated and you spend more per ring than what's allocated. But you get a rings than what is allocated and you spend more per ring than what's allocated, but you get a nice little head start. I don't know whether the NBA does that for the WNBA.

I don't know and I would venture probably not or whatever that pool of money is, is significantly smaller than what would go to an NBA team or an MLB team. Either way, when presented to the opportunity to present rings to people, the essential staff, I would say, essential staff, he neglected, he said ah.

Did the players get rings at least? Players got rings. Did you believe you were going to get one until you did not? Yes, I kept asking, like hey, what's happening here? Wow. This is pathetic, the whole thing's pathetic. The whole thing's pathetic. Oh by the way, also, I have an Olympic gold medal.

Well, I was on the staff for the 2008 Redeem team. Didn't actually get a medal because only players get medals. But that's three championships in my record book. I'm out. I mean, you cannot say that you are a gold medalist. You can say that you worked with a team that won the gold medal or you worked with a team that won the WNBA championship. But you can't say you have a ring and a medal.

Hold on. Do you guys love the Redeem team? Do you guys love America? Yes, of course. You're welcome. USA all the way. I'm with David though, you gotta have a medal. Put him back on the top.

You gotta have the medal though, to call yourself a gold medal winner. So hold on, so by the way, Coach K and his staff did not receive medals because they're the coaching staff. Are they not gold medalists? I think he has to say we won the gold medal. We won the gold medal, there you go.

How about that? Yeah, way better. No, is that a ruling? Look, I'm making a ruling, I'm making a ruling. Is that a ruling from Judge Aslow? Is it because I'd like to just put one more thing in front of the, your honor. Coach K and his staff at the Olympics

They want a gold medal. I rule that always with preds. Okay, so I'm part of the staff Now are you on the bench? Hold on hold on because I'm gonna find out how far down the bench do I have to go here? He does not have the actual gold medal. He does not have any of the rings. He's not as coach K. He He's saying he's a decorated champion. We've lost the decorations. We've lost the decorations. No, the decorations can't be in your mind. Decorations are a tallyable thing and value is money is a tangible thing. I get it. I love this country. You maybe not so much. I did everything I could to put this country back maybe not so much. I just have like a different Wow, I did everything I could to put this country back on top and succeeded

Thanks good work on that. Thank you Greg. Can I ask you a question? That's been bothering me for like 25 minutes How yeah longer than that? How is I used to sing Robert Goulet songs in French a Boston bonaafide. We were wondering about that. So he came in here Angry and we should have ridden it into the sky. No one should have gotten into the way We could have ridden that for for a week. He's delirious. He's ten minutes late He had no idea what was going on in life and he's coming in combative because he wants to fight me because he's mad at Me for two days because I was an asshole to his son right and to me, but I'm used to it But I used to sing Robert Goulet songs in think I'm sure that's what happened. I don't understand It's been happening since I've known him. He'll just go into non sequiturs about Robert Goulet

No, it's a memory of mine my auntie Arlene And my uncle George particularly my uncle George now that I think about it used to sing Robert Goulet songs in French I can't name a single one of the songs I was never a Goulet fan, but he was popular in his day G-O-U-L-E-T Robert Goulet. He was a bilingual obviously sang beautifully in French Robert Goulet Thanks guys guys we need to get we need to get our chemistry down Okay, we've got David on remote and we've got Greg Cody here

And when we play the wdei music we need everyone to get out of the way so Tony can do his mix martial arts You close oh I get it now yeah good producing to hear that you were late to the show. You would have known Yeah, I was late with cause So is that the same as judging with prejudice late with cause late with cause is the the overall overruled oh, please I don't know if David Samson can hear us He has gone out on sound you guys can put him down and talk to him off air We'll bring him back in a second. That is Robert Goulet He's a handsome man right there. He has gone out on sound. You guys can put him down and talk to him off air.

We'll bring him back in a second. That is Robert Goulet. God, look at those eyes. The only connection point I'd have to Robert Goulet is Will Ferrell doing Robert Goulet on SNL. Oh yeah, that was great. That's the only idea I have of Robert Goulet. I will tell you the only thing you need to know

about the illustrious beefcake that is Robert Goulet. There is something about the pronouncing of his last name with that flourish that makes him a little more of a sexual icon and uh... gulay is kody's wheelhouse yeah and it's how it is that we're doing back in my day again and we're doing it live around here i've never been here for that's uh... well it's not tuesday so he's not doing it today but the way that we're doing it now is he just opines on the pass in a way

That's florid and he's coming in here He wants to talk about Sam Jones's bank shot, which we learned goes off of the side of the back corner and then goes in Yeah, of course. Yeah, I mean everybody remembers Sam Jones But but you know the older you get the more you cherish distant memories in my opinion and one of mine is to hear my uncle And my aunt singing Robert DeLay in the kitchen in French. It was so exotic You know like swaying side to side like and catch me if you can it was just they they would duet together and neither One of them were trained singers, but it was sweet. It's a sweet memory. You know, they're both long gone My uncle was extremely overweight

That side of the family has had Well, I'm you know picture man. The Cody's are blessed. Get out of the way. He's the writer You're not gonna say you're a writer. You're not gonna say you're a writer plays you clear out The Cody's are blessed my brother and I uncle dick talk about this all the time Both of my folks lived to be very long I I'm filled with gratitude the other side of the family my auntie Arlene and uncle George although my aunt did live into her early 90s I almost said low 90s like golf I wish I could shoot low 90s. Are the Cody's overweight people? No my other side of the family tended to be.

The Levitards are? Yeah. Oh yeah, we all know that. Must be a French thing. Yeah, I mean it's obvious. You know, you're on the air, everybody sees it. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Look at that look. You know, come on. It's self-evident. Greg, who had sugar diabetes in that wild bill? That was my Nana. Nana Doogie? My mother's, yeah, Nana Doogie. Self-evident Greg who had sugar diabetes in that wild bill that was my Nana My mother's yeah, Nana do she die of undercooked pork or something Wow others in my distant relatives did

No laughing matter I mean back then under like pork Sugar diabetes killed people back then. It kills people now. And nobody just called it diabetes though. It was always sugar diabetes. So to this day I tend to say sugar diabetes. But pork poisoning was also a big thing back then. And unfortunately it affected a couple of people in my family. Not my aunt, not my grandmother, Nana.

She cooked in 100 year old oil. Not my grandmother Nana You know she Cooked in hundred-year-old oil. I think I've talked to you about that before So she lived a campy true. Well, she died of sugar a hundred year Oh, yeah, it can't be she didn't have in the kitchen a hundred year oil that you just get in a cupboard What was she got up in the Rockefellers oil last forever as long as you strain it? Put it on the pole does oil last forever as long as you strain it put it on the pole does oil last forever As long as you strain it right it does I just a hundred year you're claiming Jack Greg Cody are you claiming yeah as truth?

The same way you claimed is truth that you had seen will Chamberlain's fired final game or hundred point game on video even though No video exists. Yeah that we know of game or a hundred point game on video even though no video exists. Yeah, that we know of. Greg knows of it. Are you claiming that there is verifiable proof or even oral history proof in your household that would confirm that you are the descendant of an oil that was in the home for a hundred years before your arrival? Yes, that's the family legend.

There's no way that's true. There's no way the family just kept passing down oil and moving trucks and wagons and however it is that the overweight Cody's were traveling. Dan, it was the Depression. You couldn't just go out and buy more oil. You had to preserve all your resources. This oil is perfectly good.

All we have to do is straighten it and we can hand it down generation after generation. Right We don't realize how close the depression is my father's father used to Drive around in a horse-drawn cart Selling blocks of ice big giant blocks of ice that he would carry in in steel black steel tongs Yeah, and that's the way you earn money back then I'm in the depression right now. And that's how it was back in their day. Yeah, not my day, thank God.

Times have changed, wow. David, I have a business question for you because I saw some think pieces online to the streaming exclusive deals that MLB signed a few years ago. Did that really hurt the sport? And a lot of people theorize this about MLS, a league that did not have the history

that Major League Baseball had. Apple does not release the numbers when it comes to subscriptions, which is pretty telling. And now it was just announced by MLS Public Relations that Xfinity customers can get MLS Season Pass for free. Now, while that's exciting in terms of accessibility, because a lot of people have Xfinity, that's also a really bad sign for this league that tried to go exclusively behind a paywall. How do we read into this news? Well two things

have happened Mike is that the reality is that the Apple MLS deal was probably done three to five years too early. It was Don Garber with the right idea at the wrong time and they thought that with Messi really as the guardrail to it, that it would explode with popularity. And indeed, Messi even gets a piece of the business that Apple would have done with MLS. The problem is MLS wasn't mature enough as a league to garner being behind a paywall the way it was. So what Garber's done since then is they've slowly eroded that wall. They're like chipping away.

You can get a game here, you can get a game there, you can get a game everywhere. Now Xfinity joins and having the cable companies as a part of this is fascinating to me because they're trying to hold on as they're going to up fronts and announcing their streamers and all their direct to consumer stuff they're doing because they can't hold on as they're going to up fronts and announcing their streamers and all their direct to consumer stuff they're doing because they can't hold on. They're trying to bundle MLS now, which the other sports really would not never allow

only because they're more mature in that way. And Mike, I just want to add on MLB. That was an article that came out two days ago that was just wrong. It was full of ESPN and Jeff Passon and full of people who were leaking stuff who don't understand anything. The deal with Roku and Apple actually provide more money per game than what ESPN is paying per game.

The Apple deal for baseball is a good deal. It's a side-by-side, non-exclusive window deal. And ESPN is really going after MLB because they are hurt that MLB does not love them, want them, and is going to move on without them, which could hurt their new ESPN flagship DTC. So there's a lot going on in that regard. And that's why you saw that article. Wow. Yeah, that was curious. I never really thought about it like that it could just be ESPN spinning MLB here because one Major League Baseball game one random regular season game on a streamer how does that hurt a sport that has so many games whereas

with MLS one game is a sizable piece of your regular season depending on what competition you're in so that was just all a countermeasure to win the public relations battle for ESPN? That's what's happening. There is a major war going on right now between MLB and ESPN as ESPN finishes off the last year of a deal where MLB has walked away and opted out as did ESPN.

But MLB is gonna match the 550 million. We talked about it on the sporting class with John skipper I've talked about it with nothing personal that MLB will sell that package But when you read an article that gets so much attention that impugns MLB's ability to sell their game You know, that's ESPN. It just reeked of all of the ESPN talking points So people in the industry both the buyers and the sellers viewed all of that as noise and stupidity. David, is that just pure pettiness or is there a business reason behind why ESPN would do

that? Oh, ESPN has to negotiate with MLB because they've, think about this guys, they've got to get the rights to highlights. You're not allowed to show highlights of games without paying the league. And so if Sports Center is going to do highlights during the summer when not much is going on, they need those rights, number one. Number two, for their DTC, which was just announced called ESPN at $29.99 a month or $35.99 if you don't get the deal, or you can pay it by year and get a little discount. So confusing. Whatever. They've got to have stuff on there.

They're not going to show curling. They're not going to show Richard Simmons. They need stuff to push onto that app, that flagship, that streamer. And it's got to be baseball. And if they're not going to get games, which they're not, they need the highlights and they should not be warring with MLB because they're going to lose. And if they lose ESPN thinks that they can't. But that shrinking platform as described by Rob and shrinking it is, and they're trying

to go to the upfronts and pretend everything's all good with sports as sort of leading of the spear. And it's just not that way. He's a business assassin. He is not a creative genius so when he programs a channel do not listen to him it is on why do not do it with the late richard simmons that would be a bad idea uh... you should be more entertaining and creative than that i will tell you

that is business information told you this before uh... that move mike that you just pointed out the move of the information guy being used by the entity to spread news that the listener reader is not sophisticated enough to digest david samson and john skipper have discussed the business of that it's a little bit dirty the business of that in a way i haven't heard anywhere else and david what do you think specifically to jeff pass and who it sounds like you're saying is doing someone's bidding as as baseball's

information guy. Well ESPN loses baseball and Jeff Passon is a baseball insider I'm not sure why you would need someone at the salary he's at so he's you know digging for his donuts so of course you're gonna be carrying the water for ESPN when you're trying to figure out when there's cuts going on everywhere other than the top top level which is not Jeff obviously the top top level is getting the money and you're trying to sort of dance for your dinner I get it I'm not disparaging him for carrying their water yes you are seems like yes you are this is one of the few times for

the listener that isn't aware there's one of the few times that Dave's personal feelings have gotten in the way of true analysis, I think, because there is a long standing beef between Jeff Pass and David Tamsen. You can't say you're not disparaging him. I've never met him. Nothing personal. There's no beef. No, there is a beef.

No person. Literally, I've never met him. He never once was in the Marlins Clubhouse. Judge. Never got credentials. Judge, hold on a second. Don't know him. Judge. You can absolutely beef with someone you've never met.

I rule. There's a beef. What kind of beef is that? There's a beef. What are you beefing about? You can't say you're not disparaging Jeff Pass and while disparaging him. David, do you think, just out of curiosity, lawyer,

do you think disparagement is when you decide it's disparagement? Well, are you talking about the legal disparagement? No. When we sign non-disparagement clauses? No, I'm saying, no, I'm not saying you- This was not disparagement, Dan. This is me telling you the truth about Jeff Passon and his information and where he gets it

and what he says and the value that he perceives he has within the industry- That's not journalism. That's not, that's not journal- says and the value that he perceives he has in the industry is zero. That's not journalism. That's not journalism. You're alleging that you're alleging and I don't know who gets to judge this. Go on. That Jeff Passon isn't a journalist.

He's not doing journalism there. I am alleging that when Jeff Passon is carrying water for agenda laden things like talking to you about the Pittsburgh Pirates and that they don't deserve to have Paul Skeens, that there is a level of carrying water that bases his opinion. I don't view him as a journalist. I view Jason Stark, Ken Rosenthal, other such people, Buster Olney, Peter Gammons as people in that space. He is a quote unquote insider who gets information, who gets

information. That's how you are an insider. Being an insider doesn't make you a journalist, Dan. It's not business. It's just personal. Nothing personal is great. We ran out of time. I'm sorry, David. You've got to go. Are you gonna make a ruling here, Zazz? Can't hear you, so see you later. Are you more of a journalist than Amin Elhassan because he reported the Timberwolves story of Jimmy Butler? I don't have enough evidence because no one has presented to me whether or not Amin has a degree in journalism.

All right, I need more time to make a ruling. You don't need more time. I plead guilty. I'm not a journalist. I've never said I was a journalist. I never went to journalism school.