The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Are We Done?

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Michael Schmidt sticks around so we can finally get to the horrifying news surrounding Donald Trump as his former Chief of Staff warns he would rule like a dictator. We also dive into the reports of Trump saying he with he had "the kind of generals that Hitler had," why a normally private John Kelly decided to speak out in this moment, and the challenge to tell factual stories in new ways because of how Trump has eroded faith in the media. Then, David Samson is here to discuss being a step-son, the time he broke the news of Muhammad Ali's death, Texas fans throwing garbage on the field, his tiers of actors, World Series ratings, and Mike's obsession with NASCAR. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. And, no, this isn't a time for jokes. You know what? It's way too important. Donald Trump wants to terminate the constitution. Project 2025 will give him nearly unlimited power. We can't let him get anywhere near the White House. So vote for Kamala Harris. Yeah, see, that was better. The serious version was much better, right?

Paid for by Harris for president. Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. Michael, I want to actually talk to you about some of the serious stuff here because it's gotten really dumb and I find it frustrating that it's just other side,

accusing other side of communism and fascism and socialism and marxism and all isms except racism and and like what are we doing with how dumb this is gotten but also why is a former chief of staff telling you on the record three times uh... three weeks before the election, something this volatile. So here's what you have to understand about this. So there is no person who probably spent more time with Donald Trump than John Kelly when Trump was president. Because Kelly was a four-star Marine general and has had, you know, had a long, strong military career and reputation, people have long wanted to hear what he's had to say.

Over the years, we have learned a lot of different things about what happened between Trump and Kelly. A lot of those things have been in print. But what I thought was important was for people to hear from Kelly himself because Kelly, you know, Trump has questioned the anecdotes about Kelly. And I think that there's been a big push. A lot of people want to hear from as many people as possible who were around Trump what they saw. So a lot of the things in our piece today are along the lines of some things that we knew, but you get to hear John Kelly in his own voice.

It's many different, many minutes of audio from the interview that we put out, and people can listen to it, and we're constantly looking for different ways to tell stories, and this was a different way to do it, was to use the audio to allow Kelly in his own words to answer these questions. I just will make the point. Kelly is clear as day that he's not endorsing a candidate. He didn't do this willingly. This is not a person who wants to be part of politics. This

is not a person who goes on television. This is not a talking head. This is not someone who sold a book. But this is someone who saw Trump's comments in recent days about using the military domestically on American citizens and was so bothered by it that he thought that he had to speak out. And in the course of that answered questions about Trump. Okay. So there are some things here that are pretty easy to identify no matter what your politics ok police force arguments right now ken if we're talking about fascism become very quickly military police like that's one of the things that's an undercurrent here on everything that's happening as uh... democracy seems to be swaying in the balance over the last over the next three weeks. Can you

explain to me how it is, Michael, as someone who has a great deal of expertise all over this, that Donald Trump, what he is doing has our country right now divided by polling in a way that feels 50-50, and the misinformation and propaganda has worked so well that when I read something in the Atlantic that quotes people credibly to me, because there's a vetting process to get that done, but nobody is making distinctions now between what is credible journalism and what you see on Facebook. When the Atlantic reports quoting Trump that he wishes he had Hitler's generals in a story that also has you know well reported what seemed like facts on on him being racist. What is America to believe and forgive the length of this

question what's real and what's not real when we're not making distinctions between what's on Fox and what the Atlantic is doing that is credible journalism that is hard to get published. I mean I guess I'm just saying it comes back to the audio like if you have questions about this just listen to the audio. This is John Kelly in his own words speaking out about character and fitness and saying to the American public, I'm not going to tell you what to do. I'm not going to tell you how to vote, but I believe that

you should strongly consider an individual's character and fitness when deciding how to vote and that that is more important than policies because character and fitness can really lead to an unsuccessful presidency. And what Kelly is basically saying is, I saw this person up close and this is what I saw, and the American people can make their own decision, but I think it's worth highlighting to them that character and fitness are among

perhaps the most important things when you look at a candidate. And in terms of attacks on whether things are true or not true, look, just, I mean, you can listen to Kelly and people can judge for themselves. That's a primary source material. It's audio directly from him and you can hear that. It's only our job to find ways to tell the story and tell the story in different ways and and that's what we're

that's what we did. His book is Donald Trump versus the United States inside the struggle to stop a president. What I'm asking you because you're someone who cares about journalism is how it is that I'm to believe what are facts and what aren't when things I know that are reported and vetted well are treated equally to things that are just simply falsehoods? Look, Donald Trump has challenged us in the media in ways that I didn't think we ever would be challenged.

And I think that, you know, it's gonna take many years to sort of understand that and how we dealt with that. On a day-to-day basis, we're simply out there just trying to find ways to tell the story and tell the story in different ways. That's our job. It's not our job to do anything more than that, but to bring forward facts about everything, about the entire world and try and demystify it and explain it to people, and let the public make the decisions

the public's gonna make. Show me the most meaningful of the Piazza balls. Oh boy. No, they're not the Piazza balls. These are balls that my stepson hit. Oh, okay, so I misunderstood. Well, you know what? No, show me the best of your stepson's baseballs.

These are, this is just, we do batting practice and I throw to him. And we track the amount of balls that he hit in BP, home runs that he hit, and we got to 200 for the summer. So this was the 200th ball that he hit in batting practice over the summer Chris. What are you judging his batting practice? Doing what this relationship with his son You're just clarifying that was the point I'm sorry Michael Schmidt yeah Michael Jack this yeah for your allergies yes we done yes thank you we understand thank you Mike I was gonna ask you start for your life but I want to know I will tell the people

just before he goes and I enjoyed doing that with you Michael whether you enjoyed it or not his book is Donald Trump versus the United States inside the struggle to stop a president and I would tell you his reporting is kind of the reason that you should still be subscribing to newspapers thank you sir thanks for having me appreciate it. You got more muscular? I have lost 10 pounds. Have you? Yeah, using my Peloton. I've had the Peloton in my house,

so my daughter, she wanted me to get a Peloton. I did, she used it a couple of times. Yeah, great endorsement. But once she left to college and the Peloton was just sitting there in my office and it wasn't being used, I said, you know what? I gotta use this. And I have lost 10 to 12 pounds, Billy.

So I started using Peloton as a bike, Obviously that's like what they're known for. But recently I discovered all of the other classes that they have. They have like a series of weightlifting classes. They have programs, which for me the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. Because if not I just go and I pick a class at random and I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything.

I would like some recommendations on classes because I keep going to the same class. Okay. It's the Grateful Dead class by the way. You do like a four week core program with Emma Lovewell. I would recommend that one. Anyone can do that. Any level starts out easy and then you work your way up.

And then there's like a core program two that you can do after core program one, if you want to do that. Yeah, if you graduate. Wait a second. You have to graduate course one to get to course two, the harder course? Well, you can start a course two if you want.

But I eased my way in. I did course one first. Then you can do some strength classes with Andy. Love a strength class with Andy. He really puts me through it. I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess and I'm kind of disgusting and I love it. You know anything about Peloton's Dugats?

What? Peloton coaches, they walk the walk. Really? Do they talk the talk? They have sub three hour marathon runner coaches. They have military trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches, and so many other well rounded coaches on their team.

All this experience really shows in their classes, which are never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately. You're my teacher. Am I? Yeah. You know, no I'm not.

Well, I just go with the program so that I don't have to think because I don't know, I don't actually know what I'm doing. Anyways, what's the like Mr. Olympia, right? Is that what it's called? Yeah. You know, no I'm not. Well, I just go with the program so then I don't have to think because I don't know, I don't actually know what I'm doing. Anyways, what's the like Mr. Olympia, right? Is that what it's called? Yes. The one where you go and you're like lifting like Tony Atlas. giant boulders. Yeah. Hey, we should talk to Magnus again.

That's Mr. Olympia. Yeah. Yes. What did I say? Olympus. Did I? I don't know. Anyways, find your push, find your power with Peloton at onepeloton.com. Don LeBretard.

You are very comfortable talking about how you met your wife, how much you love her, how important she is to you, and that's the reason that I asked the question. I've always admired that about you, that you have no problems whatsoever professing your love. Well, the thing is, I got a new wife now. You know, me and Bianca didn't make it.

So I moved on, we moved on. It was for the better for both of us. Stu gots. Things just got a little awkward there. So let me be the first on this show to congratulate you on the new wife, Vince. Congratulations on feeling whole, feeling complete. You know?

Let's talk tailgating, yeah. Don't be, don't feel awkward, buddy. You know, a lot of people do. No, I don't, I mean, Dan does. It's much too late for that, Vince. I appreciate you soothing me in this regard, but I already feel terribly awkward, and then my teammate comes to my defense

with not a question, but just a healthy congratulations and the further pointing out of that awkwardness because he's always good for me in those spots. I'm also thinking of divorce, Vince, after many, many years, 18 years with a partner who does things like that to you. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the StuGuts. with us two guards. It's a universal truth that someone didn't enjoy their time with you if by the end of the proceedings they ask, are we done? Yep. I thought that was fun and enjoyable. I misread that. I think I screwed it up at the end. You did.

I got a little mad on. You upset him. I thought we lost him at Billy with the allergies. Yep. It is actually no I agree Billy's fault. No guys look in the mirror. I mean here Wow Billy He deflated when you asked him that question. Oh, yeah No, it was it was definitely me not anything anyone else said about his children at the end He said stepson like it wasn't but it wasn't an important correction You don't value made the mistake once I made the mistake you devalued the balls that he had proudly on display I wasn't doing that no it just kept it went from a Mike piazza

ball to a stepson to a BP we started at a Mickey Mantle card so yeah I can understand but we didn't need to call it out from we just got off to a really bad start really the way I thought we call it out from him, we just got off to a really bad start. Really, I thought we pulled it out into a win, because like, okay, this was like, this is odd. But it's a lot. I told his son to do it in a game. I mean, you just had my back there for some reason.

Look, this is, well, okay, and I would normally be right with you there on the remorse because of what he said at the end, and his perception to me is the accurate perception but what I'm telling you is that his content, I would like to listen to all of that for 20 minutes. It had some range and he surprised me again and again with his answers and I thought we'd connected over sports and so I could fool around with him a little more

than I should have. At one point in the middle of that I thought it was going so well that I wanted him to do his own radio show for us. That was a heat check. No doubt. But I understand how you got there. You're a good producer in that way. Let's settle down. Let's see what we got here. All in all I think that those that hung around kind of thought, yeah that's memorable. Given how we framed the guest, most of the people that had no interest in that probably already left the YouTube. Okay, but I didn't mean, and I wish to respect and admire that person a great deal.

We all do. His work is important. You're on the fence. He will never be on the show again. I'm just down the middle. He will never be here again. He will never be on the show again. He's taking it all in.

He had his arms crossed the entire time. No, he would come back. No, he would not come back. Book him next week. He would not come back. I'd like him tomorrow. I'd like to. Sullivan, tomorrow, guys.

I would love to talk to him every day right up until the election. You're just gonna keep adding layers to this. Samson, what are your thoughts here? Nothing personal is the name of the podcast. He does it every morning on YouTube, 8 a.m. Eastern. And as a solo show, I'm telling you, no one in the solo business of doing this

is covering as much terrain in 50 minutes, anywhere in sports, as he is. Let me ask you, I don't know how much of that you heard or didn't hear, what is your appraisal? I thought it was 20 excellent minutes soiled only by the fact that he didn't like it at the end. I understand QBing a BP ball. I cannot understand how would it be that front and center of your collection given what he's been able to do because that's just not cube worthy in the

frame. I don't love being referred to as a step son. That's always a tough one when you're the step son. Do you want to be the son? Do you want to be the stepson? Does it mean you're not loved as much? Is it a Cinderella thing? So I think there are a lot of issues there and we got completely derailed by what you were trying to accomplish,

which was the wrong sound. You got any stepson BP balls behind you there, David? Yeah. No. Jeez Louise. I do not. Those are actually Mickey Manil balls. But show Mike Schmidt what a ball,

a ball worthy of being on your television screen right now. I would not be surprised at all if he actually had a Mickey Mantle testicle back there, an actual ball. The best one behind me is the Muhammad Ali that he signed opening night of Marlins Park. And it's very shaky, the signature, but it is the signature number.

I can't say that to you. It's as descriptive as Stepson. Okay. That night was offensive, that whole night that you dragged Muhammad Ali out there to do that for you at ballpark. He was fine until like a half hour. We had to delay the festivities

because he had an episode. And we figured that we couldn't delay it much longer because the game was on national television. And so he agreed that we would have him out in the golf cart. It was not ideal. It was not what we planned. Sturgots, okay. And in the untold stories that David Sampson has in a book

that if you want some great content, Mike Ryan talking to Sampson about the logs that he kept on his Marlins records are amazing, but this story around Ali, and he can barely keep the smile off his face even though this entire story is offensive. Like what I am telling you is corporate greed at its very worst.

Ali had a tenuous connection to anything Miami baseball related at best. And they brought him out there as an act of commerce to open up their stadium. And again, he had an episode that I believe he's reporting for the first time. I haven't heard that before. That was like a half hour beforehand. That game was delayed. That game was delayed for a long time so that they can drag Muhammad Ali out there in a golf cart held by the elbow to just be a piece of legacy. What you guys did there was gross. The game wasn't delayed, which is why he came out looking the way he came out

and his family does not regret that. That's the least offensive thing I've done to that family. Given all the things that I've done that was not the problem. When did Ali sign the I've done to that family, given all the things that I've done. Jesus, David. We're flexed. That was not the problem. When did Ali sign the baseball? When? Before he came out, he went into the clubhouse and took pictures with all the players who crowded around him

and wanted to meet him. And he signed balls for players and for me. What was the nature of the episode? It's Parkinson's related. He just did. It's what happens when you're afflicted for players and for me. What was the nature of the episode? Yeah, it's Parkinson's related. He just, it's what happens when you're afflicted by the horrible disease that I've tried to find a cure for for people, including one, two, three, Brett.

And as you get older, it gets bad. And you have moments where you just can't move. And that's what happened. Billy, I know that you know some of Samson's history here, but do you know the actual story that makes David Samson say, that's the least of my crimes against the Ali family? Because I believe it to be the best story ever told in the history of the show. Do you know the original Ali story that makes it more offensive than what I just said?

Announcing his death. Well, it killed him. Well, he did not kill him, he did not kill him. I did not kill him. He'd be in jail, Dan. Killed him publicly before anyone else knew, and then hid in the bowels of the stadium, waiting for the family to confirm it,

because it's not David Sampson's place to break the news that icon Muhammad Ali has died on the Jumbotron at Marlin Stadium. And I believe my first call was to you, Dan. Terrified and laughing. I was both terrified and laughing because I knew he was dead, but no one else in the world knew he was dead.

And we were, it's always Miami. We were the first people to report that Muhammad Ali died. It's absurd to think about. How long were you scared with that news by yourself before you realized, before you got the all clear that the family was okay with you announcing it on the Jumbotron? Well, first I needed the all clear he was dead

because I knew he was dead, but to hear it from another source, the way the news, the way Mike Schmidt would do it, like with a second source or a third source, it was a good 25 minutes, and it took about an hour after that for the family for me to get in touch with the Family and for them to say it's okay, which I don't think they meant because they've never spoken to me since I mean It was a bad moment Have a sport can we switch gears to something?

So the audience has one bit of facts that are right? Sure. The ball did not go to the owner of the ball for $4.3 million. You have the number wrong. The Otani, the price was more than that. It wasn't $4.39 million? No, that includes what's called the buyer's premium. So that includes about $700 or $800 grand that goes to Golden Auction House. The actual seller of the ball does not get 4.3 million.

He'd get whatever was negotiated as a buyer's premium, but assume roughly 20% is generally a good number to use. So the ball is worth 3.6 million to the seller, but the buyer had to spend 4.39 to get it. I've got a college football question, an NFL question, or a NASCAR question, David, you decide. Let's go college football. The way that the Texas fans disrupted that game and essentially bought time for an unprecedented ruling

on a penalty because you cannot challenge penalties and in some replays and supposed to analyze that, from a stadium operations standpoint, I've seen that people that have been receiving text messages from the University of Texas saying they were spotted throwing stuff on the field well after the incident, saying that they will no longer have valid tickets for the remainder of the season. What was your take on how everything went down and does this establish a dangerous precedent in terms of how games are decided? I was actually watching this live from from a studio and while it was

going on and my first question was that I didn't realize that it was not reviewable because that would have made things easier and the minute things get thrown on the field what we're told in our rules in baseball and what are the rules in any stadium is that A, it's an immediate ejection for the people who do the throwing, but B, you as the home team are possibly subject to a forfeit if there is danger for any player

either home or away. And so the first thing I was thinking is what is being thrown? Because there's a difference between plastic bottles and batteries or plastic bottles and glass bottles when you're going through Will This Rise to the level of a forfeit. Then I was wondering, are the referees using this time

to actually make that change? And is there any causation that there was a purposeful delay due to, because that's what they thought the outcome would be. And I was not willing to draw that bridge, Mike. I viewed it just as a bunch of drunken people who thought a call was going against them who started throwing stuff on the field. And to me, Matthew McConaughey got it right

in his letter to the fans where he said, that's not what we do. I think he used the word bogey in his letter, which I didn't really understand. And then Billy said though, that he's not any good as an actor. That's something Billy said. Matthew McConaughey, he's won an Oscar.

Mind his own business. A lot of people have won an Oscar. He's overrated. You did that yesterday though. I said he's not a great actor. That's what I said. Matthew McConaughey is not tier one of actor, but he clearly is in the top four tiers.

How many tiers are there? Given his range. When you go from Dazed and Confused to Dallas Buyers Club, you deserve to be on a tier. But I just don't know, that letter you just showed, didn't it have the word bogey in it? Why are you doing this again? It's like in the third paragraph.

Why do you want to do this? Because it made me feel ignorant. It says bogey in it. Why are you doing this again? It's like in the third paragraph. Why do you want to do that? Because it made me feel ignorant. It says bogey move. Bogus? Yeah, what's a bogey move? Well, it's not par. Based off the context, I'm saying it's a less than par. I thought it was bogus, no?

Below average, it wasn't a birdie, it was a bogey. You want to analyze what the bogey means. There are some good bogeys. He capitalized it, so maybe we don't. Some great bogeys. Oh, god. While bogey's there are some good bogeys. He capitalized it. So maybe we While bogeys bad in golf if it's above par would that not be good behavior there's some good bogeys in This was a good bogey they got the call changed again Billy said that he wasn't much of an actor I Think that how about the wolf of Wall Street scene thumping his heart. He was just being himself there though. That wasn't much of an actor. I think that, how about the Wolf of Wall Street scene? Thump in his heart. He was just being himself there though.

That wasn't really acting. Yeah, at limit. That's a great question. Can't it be considered acting? If you play yourself in a movie, is it by definition not acting? I think it's still acting. I mean, Nicolas Cage acted the hell out of acting like Nicolas Cage. It's a cameo

Nicolas Cage is a great example where he's always acting but it's still acting John Malkovich Being John Malkovich totally acting. Yep. Oh, who's your tier one just out of curiosity? Yeah, Tropic Thunder Dustin Hoffman, right? Wow. Is it Tier 1? Jack Nicholson is a Tier 1. Yeah. Clint Eastwood is a Tier 1. Robert Redford is a Tier 1. Oh.

Hmm. De Niro? Daniel Day-Lewis is the top of Tier 1. What? Robert De Niro is Tier 2 or 3. I'm going to say this. Daniel Day-Lew Lewis coming out of retirement. Yeah, we talked about that.

Well, he's doing that for his son as he should. Not his stepson, just his son. The third little subpoint in the sixth entry of bogey on Urban Dictionary is an enemy fighter plane. Is that helpful? That's from Top Gun. You got a bogey on your right. There you go.

Exactly. It's Sidney Pottier, man. What is he? What tier? He is. He's tier two. Tier two? He's tier two? Tier two?

What the hell are you talking about? Tier two is fantastic, right? How many tiers are there? Tier two is all of fame. He made it four tiers. Did Big Cat do this? White guys! White, white, white, white, white! Hey, everyone. It's Mike Ryan.

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see dkng.co. slash bball. Don LeBattard. We love you, we've got you, we've all got each other. Let's go, right now. Stugarts. One, two, three, Brett. One, two, three, Brett! This is the Don LeVatar Show with the Stugats! Denzel? Did you sneak him in there anywhere?

Denzel is tier one. Wow. Because if you were about to say, I thought you were really, I thought you were going to, you, I thought you were going to go tier two there. Just to piss me off. Yes, just to be Samson, but he decided not to do that. I want to ask you why it is, David, that the cheapest reported ticket for the World Series is $1,705. I thought that's not true. It's not true. Okay.

No, do we have anything right? You're getting that from a tweet saying that on game time that and on various sites that the cheapest get in price, that's the famous word, get in price. And that's not accurate. And we've tried to fight that as an industry for decades. Here's how you get in for cheaper is you're a season ticket holder where you have access and ability to buy post-season tickets at face value.

When you talk about buying on the secondary market for a series like Dodgers-Yankees, of course there's going to be a premium. But if you want access to tickets, then you have the ability to get access. Just you have to be earlier to the game and not wait for the matchup. David, what's incorrect about me saying that if you're trying to get a ticket and aren't a season ticket holder, the reported cheapest price to get into the game is $1,700. You just said you can get it cheaper if you're a season ticket holder and you're more organized,

but right now if I want to get a ticket, the reported price is $1,700. I just found one for $1,065 on Game Time. Promo code Dan for new customers. So you can actually get that even more affordable and look at this all in pricing no surprises At close out. I got a panoramic seat view. Oh look at that right down the right field line Well, thank you game time promo code Dan terms apply download game time today. What time is it? What were you saying David? I was saying that I love game time and I use them and you have to know when to go on for the event.

The closer you get to the event, the better opportunity you have for prices to go down in the secondary market. So you're not wrong maybe that this second, that is the get in price for every game, though I would question that greatly. Regardless, the size of this World Series, can you explain it to us?

This is epic. I mean, think about on your show, you let off with baseball talk. It is being talked about in non-traditional media circles. It's got the attention of the world as a true World Series because of Otani's presence and Yamamoto for the Dodgers. And of course, the Yankees are the biggest brand in the world. And so when you combine that and you put the best players

in the game on the stage during the World Series, the biggest question that we're all looking at, and I discussed this this morning on Nothing Personal, is it possible that the ratings here will take over from the NBA and be greater than the NBA finals, which MLB does from time to time, but not consistently? And is there a chance that game three on Monday night could outrate Monday night football?

Cause the Monday night football game is a stinker between the Giants and the Steelers. The odds are it still will not. No way. But if it does in a one-one situation, game one at Yankee Stadium, baseball's looking to that as its next measuring stick, and that would be epic. That's hilarious that the measuring stick is,

compete with a crappy Monday night game. And they won't. Please. And they won't. And they won't. Too big of a line, so. All right. Self-awareness matters, and trying to be the NFL will get you crushed, because you can't be the NFL, but trying to beat them on an occasional basis,

that's a goal worth having. David, I have two questions for you now. It's either, you can't be the NFL, but trying to beat them on an occasional basis, that's a goal worth having. David, I have two questions for you now. It's either you can pick. It's either a NASCAR question or NASCAR question. I'm going to go with the NASCAR question for a thousand. Mike. All right. So NASCAR actually coming down here locally for a homestead motor speedway. What does that sound? What's happening right now in my headphones?

Either way, NASCAR coming to town, but they are actually dealing with a huge scandal behind the scenes. Michael Jordan, the most famous owner in NASCAR, is actually suing NASCAR. They have charter agreements. It's pretty confusing, but right now, essentially if you don't own a motorsports team

that has a tie to a raceway like Team Penske does, you lose money hand over fist. It is not a sport that you go into to win, to actually make money. So what is your opinion of this? Because NASCAR really pushed to get Michael Jordan involved with the sport. However, he is probably the only person in that sport

that is popular and rich enough to fight this and bring about substantial change. Well, this is an unbelievable lawsuit you're talking about. This is a lawsuit against a family. A family owns NASCAR, and they've got a monopoly because they own the tracks. And what they say to these racing teams is, hey, you can own your own racing team. Michael Jordan, that's great. Where are you going to race in your backyard on 95?

If you want to race inside our ovals, you've got to sign the following agreement, which will limit your ability to make money because we want to make more money. And Michael Jordan said, you know what? I think I'm going to get one other guy. And he did get, was it Mike, did he get Penske? No, he's definitely not going to get Penske.

So what's the, what's the code? The other person suing with him? I think there's like front row. I think there's three teams and the most famous is by far 21 X I Which is co-owned by Denny Hamlin who actually doesn't want he doesn't actually race for that team. He races for Another team. I believe he races for Joe Gibbs, but he owns another team. Essentially, the France family, it is hard to actually get everybody in lockstep, which is what Michael Jordan is trying to do.

Rally the troops and let's have a proper lockout here as we challenge this in federal courts. However, some motorsports teams like Penske, who I think has a stake in, who owns the Brickyard in Indianapolis, one of the most famous motorsports tracks in the world. They actually get so much more money from having a stake in these tracks that they will never break this picket. They will never cross a line because they

get so much more money than the other teams. The only way to win this is through an antitrust challenge in federal courts. Yeah, they're not trying to actually prevail in an antitrust situation because it's very hard to do that. What they're trying to do is the basis of this is a charter agreement that everyone was forced to sign by the France family. And what Jordan's trying to say is, we'd like to be able to negotiate that agreement, because you just hand us something and say, sign this or you can't race in our tracks and be a part of NASCAR. And what Jordan's saying is, without us, what you have and what France is saying is the

family, well, we don't have you, that may be true, Michael, but we've got every other team who signed, because every other team signed the agreement, but two. And so what Jordan's trying to do is get the other members, the other teams to say, why did you sign it? Because you were forced to by the France family because they pressured you because you felt that you would lose all of your money if you didn't sign it. That's enough to get the possibility of an antitrust case. It's not enough to prevail.

So the hope is that they take the facts and the France family looks and says, all right, we will negotiate going forward. That would be Jordan's goal. Wait to see whether it'll work. Yeah, do you think that the France family caves on guaranteeing these charter agreements? Mike, put on the helmet.

You're not allowed to talk NASCAR unless you're wearing the gear head. I'm talking about Michael Jordan. Put it on, put it, put it. Totally different. Put it on, put it on. MJ. They're trying to get these charter agreements guaranteed.

Essentially you pay a franchise fee. That's what these charters are. And that's so much money out of pocket. And then on top of that, you have to cover your own expenses. And entry into these races aren't even guaranteed. It is a huge losing proposition. So what Jordan is ultimately trying to do is at the very least have one guaranteed cost that is covered by NASCAR because he understands

that this is not a winning investment. He just loves the sport, but it certainly needs improvement. And there are plenty of tracks in the nation. They don't have the reputation of some of these other ones, but if they wanted to attract, like say, Saudi investors, there are places to make a true competitor. But Jordan's also trying to get some of the revenue that NASCAR keeps for itself on the backs of the racing teams that come into these tracks. So when you're a sponsor,

you can either sponsor one of the racing teams, or you can be a sponsor of the racing teams, or you can be a sponsor of the track and get all the teams because you have visibility during the races and query when you're a sponsor, does it matter if Jordan's team is there or not? Is it just the fact that there is a race going on that you are sponsoring? And is that the worthy investment? That's the fight that Jordan's having, is he wants a piece of a pie

that France will not share with him, and that France doesn't allow him to even get a fork and a knife to get a piece of because of these charter agreements. I actually have another NASCAR question, and when I offered NASCAR NASCAR, it's the fact that Joey Lugano went from out of the playoffs to a day after the race.

They kick out what? Hendrick Motorsports was not in line with weight. So Lugano was actually eliminated. He goes on to win the next race. Your thoughts on this really compelling playoff, Chase? This is the problem with what you're doing. David's review, we no longer have time for his review. He was eliminated from the playoffs.

And he's also got good Tua stuff that we don't have time for now because of how incessant and obsessive you were And I'm not saying the caution isn't interesting. I asked for eight tickets. I hope they give them to me. Your NASCAR obsession just sabotaged the ending of the Samson segment. See you later Samson. Hey everyone, it's Mike Ryan So I'm hearing that you still haven't entered the DraftKings Weekend Observation presented by Miller Light prediction pool. Let me ask you, what exactly are you waiting for? You don't want to guess how many times two gods might swear in this segment?

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