The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Being In the Moment These Days

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

Jeremy continyuez to wear a lsmp shad2 on his head to wrote these descriptiona. We kick things off with Alvin Kamsra's receiving stats adn Stephen A. Smith calling out Zion Williamdon. Then, Shawn Kemp, the new McDonalf's Coffee Chain, and being in the moment likw LeBrin James seemd to be with Bronny. Plus, why don't we care sbout the Heidman Trophy? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big suite presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants, just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries

that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Jessica, I still do not know the lampshade has moved, and I don't know who that is or the details of the punishment. I've just heard whimpers that it's harder

than what I'm gathering is a he thought it would be. I love lamp. Okay, we need to have timing. I don't know if that. Jeremy, we need to have... That's Jeremy? I just heard his voice and that's how I recognized him. Well Jeremy can't see you, Dan,

because as you mentioned, he has a lampshade. Well, that's why his timing is... Yes, well that's what I was pointing. What do you mean by my timing is not great? That's what I was pointing out. How hard has that been? Are you editing today or what are you doing? I didn't think you were part of the show today.

Yeah, I'm just taking notes and editing and it's really difficult. I'm staring ahead and got all sorts of floaters because all I can see is white. So I'm trying to look down as best as I can to see computers, but I kind of have to like over here I'm kind of gonna go like that. I don't think you're allowed to touch it Jeremy.

I don't think you're allowed to move. I'm hopeful so. This is a little difficult. Okay, so can you look something up for me, please? Yeah, you got it, Dan. Alvin Camara. Can you look up for me what he did yesterday receiving yards only, only receiving yards? Yeah, for sure.

For you, got it. All right, let's see. Let's just wait for a second. In keeping with what we were talking about, that there are a lot of check downs and Derek Carr, you know, is having some trouble throwing for yardage. Did you see Alvin Kumar show up in a pace car, a NASCAR pace car? I saw Sabin in a Ferrari.

I didn't see that. What is that all about? They didn't sell back, by the way. Yeah, really. Yeah, so back. Did he ever go anywhere? Yeah, I dismissed him at the beginning of the season. Silly boy. Big mistakes.

Yeah, I got you on all those receiving yards, Dan. All right, go ahead and give me what the stat is, plays on just in keeping with the idea that, you know, it's hard to gain yardage in that league. Yeah, it's a three catches for negative 11 yards, Dan. But he showed up in a payscar and I I asked myself why did he show up in a payscar Dan? And you're probably asking that same thing because you saw the video if I'm showing up in a NASCAR You're like why would a why would an NFL player show up that way? It's because he's a consultant for NASCAR That has been so since 2021

Interesting and what is a consultant for NASCAR, do? His job is for growth and engagement. His role is growth and engagement advisor for NASCAR. He became an Ask Car fan because of bubble wallets in 2020 and in 2021. They brought him on for growth and engagement. Just to go outside, I gave you a stat earlier this year that Alan Camara had like 38 receiving yards one game on 13 patches. Yeah. The field is hard to gain yardage on. Points are down. There were a lot of teams yesterday scoring three points and six points and no points and under 13 points.

Like it's and I feel really bad for everybody involved with and anyone who cares about the Carolina Panther. Because that owner under those conditions, that seems like a pretty miserable place to work. It sure does. And they took the wrong quarterback. For the season, Kamara has 63 catches for 400 yards. It seems impossible.

Allow me to shoehorn a video in because you mentioned Alvin Kamara who plays into Orleans arguably the biggest star in that town but Zion Williamson is also a very big star right now and I use big and in a couple of different ways because Zion's weight has been once again brought into the national spotlight as the Pelicans played an important game in the NBA IST. And Stephen A Smith did not pull punches when talking about Zion Williams. And I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this take.

He's fat in Rue Walibrand. James had dropped 30 in three quarters, and a completely dominated and looked in Pete physical condition and looked like an absolute stun in superstar and walked key. Zion Williamson, who's more than 15 years younger, but 40 pounds heavier. Went to the free throw line. Ladies and gentlemen, I saw a bell in him.

I mean, dead, dead. What's up, Zion? It better not got your ass kicked, losing my 44 points and I'm in a semi-final. Did nothing to lead a galvanized jetty, did nothing to show the manchild that you all and to take over. But you look like you showed up to the game, haven't just ate a buffet. Like you ate the damn tape, he looked like he ate a blowball thing. I saw him literally in hell, take a deep breath in the free dough line and I saw a belly

Like like Austin powers that bastard like get in my belly That's what I saw Weird reference It was just a belly reference. Look old like fat bastard. What was this like 99? I mean all of our media icons are getting old. I forget everybody's names. It happens. He's got to keep up in the competitive media game

and there are gonna be some things very few that slip past him. And some of them are gonna be related by the ways to gots to how it is we handle topics like this one because the woke among us might point out that making a young person who's under a great deal of pressure who should be a professional and needs to be a maximum professional, Zion Williamson may be somebody who arrived at what he thought would be happiness and it hasn't felt much like happiness and so there

may be some issues there as someone who didn't go to college but for a year, and I know- Being too harsh. God, I know. When my brother was dying, I inflated. Like, I don't know what's going on in his life, but these people have, like, I physically inflated-

I had an idea of one of the things going on in his personal life thanks to social media. He was in Vegas. I mean, buffet, so I'm just saying, I mean, you tend to eat a lot. But I don't think it happened over the course of two days. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Please, do you love a Vegas buffet? Oh, this is it.

Are Vegas buffet happy or sad? Because it does depend on the buffet, but I love a Vegas buffet, and I would just ask you guys, Jessica, perhaps you can help me here because I know you don't like fat shaming and I've been wanting to sort of make some fat shaming jokes at my expense around here

that are more orchestrated than the ones of Stugot saying I just break ATVs when I sit on them. I want our comedy to have a little more than that. That was a good one. Yeah, it was a good one. I can't dispute it. Look, I remember it and I'm bringing it up and I know. I know it was a good one.

Billy was proud of that when I saw. I started to break those. I saw when he inserted it. I saw how proud he was. He was a suspension on those days. Yeah, I'm still mad I didn't come up with FATV. I will tell you, Stugat, that while he needs to be professional, he is also a kid. Very young still, you can say he's an adult, he certainly muscled like an adult.

She didn't Steven A, you also be professional. Well, but Steven A- I mean, he was professionally, he found a way to call him a fat bastard without actually calling him a fat bastard without actually calling him a fat bastard. Stugaks, Stephen A. benefits from this and old media is not going to really understand young players like why would they? The pontificators and the judgment holders are going to rain down more and more judgment. The adults are going to rain down more and more judgment on the kids and it'll be college next.

We will keep getting prouler and prouler's crueler's do gods and giving us permission to do so and the audience by the way agrees with Stephen A Smith except perhaps people like me who have struggled with their weight all their life all their life like Zion Williamson has struggled with his weight for a while and when Mike says that thing that happened to him on the internet seems pretty shameful. Seems like if wherever it is that you're unhappy, now people know about your sex business. Ah, that seems like it'd be unpleasant.

You might not already be happy in New Orleans. God knows what comes with those kind of riches and fame. New Orleans can be a sad town. I saw it. I saw it eat up my friend, Ricky Williams, who was trying to be a star in that town. Shoot him up. I understand all these deeper conversations and I'm not dismissing them, I saw it, I saw it eat up my friend Ricky Williams who was trying to be a star in that town. Shoot him up.

I understand all these deeper conversations and I'm not dismissing them, but it can also be that he just doesn't like the strength and conditioning program. Yes, agreed. Yeah, just berserkers to not condition that way. Well, but we don't know because he's not gonna give us the vulnerability and interview

because when he's asked for his favorite thanksgiving food, he won't answer because he knows the internet's going to run with it. Right. Well, here's a couple of things that we do know. We've seen occasionally it'll go viral whenever because his conditioning has had a bit of peaks and valleys. Remember all the excitement around a more svelte Zion Willemson, his former trainer has taken to Instagram kind of victory lapping

over. Griffin, Griffin showed up in shape when I was his trainer. But one of the problems is LeBron James, the fact that he's this old, he's played this many seasons and he's out there and peak physical. That's ridiculous. Okay, but he's a total anomaly in all of it, and also being able to handle the pressures of being a man child at a young age. I'm not saying that's a problem. It's not LeBron's fault, but when you're comparison shopping and you're looking at Zion Williamson

and LeBron James playing in the same game and realizing that guy is 16 years older than the other guy and he's at far better shape. It does not help Zion's called people have different genetics and it's always been a conversation around Zion. How will this body age? Because even when he was breaking shoes at Duke which was good for business for Nike? Yeah, I We were all wondering aloud. How will he maintain his body? I think while a lot of this is unfair from Sivan A If you talk to people around the New Orleans Pelicans the thought is that Zion could at least be doing more when it comes to conditioning. David Griffin said that this is the best shape that he's ever been in and it's the

first time he took their conditioning seriously. But as someone who has struggled with his weight, all his life without getting to the roots of why can can't I get this under control? Why can't I figure out I'm eating right? I'm exercising right. What am I pushing down with my food? Where am I repressed? What's my body holding on to? Why is it releasing cortisol?

Why when I flip tires and I'm trying to get in shape, my body receives it like I'm being chased by a bear instead of that I'm exercising and trying to lose weight. Why is my body working against me? I'm telling you, it can be the wide spectrum of things. Yeah, maybe he's just a lazy bum. Maybe he just doesn't care at all. Maybe he's a jerk who's throwing it all away and needs to be more professional that fat bastard. He's averaging 23 a game.

Or maybe he struggles with his weight for reasons that he's still too young to know about because I'm 50 bleepin' for and I still don't know why I struggle with my weight. Chris Cody, why do you struggle with your weight? How long have you struggled with your weight? I think you might because you put french fries in your salad. What about you? Cheesecake? I just don't exercise the no-for. He just doesn't have the salad. I mean, but it sounds like you would kill for an NBA level strength and conditioning program to help you find the answers. Just call fat Chris fat. I hated every minute of the last seven minutes. Because? Oh man, where to begin?

Last time? Last time I tried to do this didn't end well for for me, for anyone. So I'm not going to do it this time. Have fun with your conversation. Okay. Jeremy? I don't like fat shaming either, Dan. Don't I think Larry Fitzgerald's on the green right there. Stugats! That's Alfonso Rivera. Now, how do you think that Larry Fitzgerald's heart? And his son, the son, the son. Oh, the son.

To be fair, to be fair. Alfonso Rivera has a great ass. This is the down lebertard show with the Stugats. Stugats, I used to say of Michael George of all of the things on his list of accomplishments higher than even the regular defying of gravity that the rest of people cannot do, higher than even defying gravity was he made bald cool. LeBron James can never be Michael Jordan. But what he's done in the modern age as a young person who navigated all of the minefields that Zion Williamson and other young players have to navigate. When I remember a time, Stu gots that the arguments were fierce

about a player in the pros must go to four years of college because you cannot start throwing freshman and college into the deep end of all of the temptation that is around the MBA. You cannot throw a 19 or 20 or 21 year old kid like the arguments. You remember, you're old enough to remember the arguments. You gotta throw a 19 or 20 or 21 year old kid like the arguments. You remember, you're old enough to remember the arguments. You got to go to four years of college. Tim Duncan, maybe you come out your junior year, but

Tim Duncan is a better bet because he went to college. Right. I mean, you had guys like Sean Camp who didn't go to college and certain things happened to Sean. He was a great player, but things happened to Sean Camp and people say, Hey, if he went to college, gained some life experience, perhaps your career would have went a different way. What happened to Sean Camp is he had a lot of children, he did a lot of cocaine, he got fat.

He didn't go to college. Now, you can do all those things at college. I did. Really? You had children? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I didn't have cocaine either. Yeah, none of those things. It was after college for you.

Thank you, God bless football. We're billions to God support all the things that we do around here. He's supposed to be moving fast. I'm supposed to tell them telling good things. He's gotten a lot slower with age. By the way, you said that LeBron has never to be Michael Jordan. He's only one championship behind him right now. Not true.

No, not true. It's not even it's not mathematically true. Jordan won one in college. He did. He won a national championship for Carolina's freshman year. Hit the big shot against Georgetown. But you know LeBron thinks that he's won championship away from Michael. That was embarrassing. That celebration was champagne in the locker room and the goggles and everything. It was too much. Why? They were having a fun time. He's being a good future league partner to Adam Silver also. Because you know he wants to probably buy a team once he retires. Make the commissioner happy.

LeBron won a national title in high school, 2003, going back. So they do your back, okay. How about Michael and one of those? He won one at sixth grade. I mean, well, then if we're going to go say champion. If you're going to say championship, so let's put it on the poll actually, at LeBotard show,

Will Stugatts tell his grandchildren that Michael Jordan won an NBA championship in sixth grade. I will. I have so many whoppers for my grandchildren. The you mentioned whoppers, I think food. We were just talking about food. I think of McDonald's bringing back the snack wrap. What?

That's right. Get out of here. Bring it back. Are you serious? Yes, but not quickly. Dollar menu? 2025. We got a wait a year for some reason. Why?

I don't understand. I don't get it. I also saw McDonald's is like soft launching a coffee chain to rival like Starbucks and Dunkin' Now. Yeah, called like Cosmix. You wanna see this? I think I saw it on TikTok. So I grew up, humble brag, not far from hamburger university. What? There was a McDonald's

near my hometown where they'd put all the secret menu items and stuff and stuff that they were gonna test out and you could just go to the hamburger universe. I also saw my dick at their once. He was at it. I went to a speaking engagement. He was giving at hamburger university not about hamburgers about diverse. It sounded like you said whopper. That would be a conflict of interest. That is correct.

Put it on the poll at Lebitar Show. Do you miss the McDonald's snack wrap? But since we're talking about Lebron Stugots, you guys can go ahead and put that on the screen if you want to. That looks like AI, I mean, I got fooled. I see the video department is fiddling around with a McDonald's emblem of some sort. They could just throw that on the screen if they want, if they're going to interrupt the show and distract me. I like it, I mean.

I thought it was a fake story, honestly, but there's a full menu, I'm still not convinced that it's real. It does look fake. It's just one of those things that just, why? I feel like right now, like beverages are so hot right now, Billy, not hot is in temperature. Like everyone wants a fun beverage, right Chris Cody? Everyone wants to go to Duncan or Starbucks

or wherever and get like a cool beverage, a cool coffee drink. And McDonald's is like, we want to get in on that. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Do you think McDonald's can beat Starbucks at coffee or Dunkin' Donuts at coffee can compete with coffee? But getting back to the LeBron James points, do you guys? So, a guy who came into the league

with some of the same stuff as Zion Williamson. I've never seen a body like that on someone who's not yet a man. Someone who is still a child in some ways, physically, how can that be stronger than NBA players? That's a kid. They come in with similar expectations. I would say I do not want to normalize, even though we've chastelabrawn around for 20 bleeping years,

saying, yeah, you're all right, but you're not Jordan. He's set the standard in such an impossible place that Zion Williamson and Wemba Nyama cannot get there in the social media age. They will not have a chance to be as good as he's been in public for 21 years when he's still winning and caring about stupid games when you've got the games change so much that it's out from three And if you really want these players to care you got to give them more millions to not load manage If you want to beat if you want to beat Haliburton in a game that matters because he's playing it for the 12th guy on his bench

You got to give him more reason that LeBron James would be beating Zion that the bronze aims in a tournament would beat beating young players who are trying their hardest. It's a one game scenario, but I understand what you're saying. I just say I don't want to know. I don't want to say it's normal. Michael Jordan didn't look like this at this age. No. Did not.

He was playing for the Wizards. I think at this age. If even was playing at this age. I mean, Anthony Davis did look good. The last two games. Yeah. Agreed. I'm just pointing out that he's put the standard in the same place Brady has so that when I see the quarterback in yesterday, I'm like, oh my God, that's shit.

That's just garbage what I'm watching. I think the really impressive thing that you pointed out is what he's been able to do off the court, not gotten any sort of trouble considering he's gone through it in the social media age michael jordan did not well this is what i want to show the audience here because i want to get your take as a proud father of a champion mhm i want to get your take on this video that we're about to show the audience uh... of lebron james uh... taking video of Bronny and writing on Instagram. Can't even tell y'all how emotional today was for me.

I'm literally, literally drained and all I can say is Bronny, you're simply incredible. Damn, the wins and losses that will occur. You've already won the ultimate gold championship and that's life. Proud of you, kid. And today you've given me more life. Thank you and I love you. It's awesome. And, Dad, I could tell you like when, when Kobe passed away, one of the first things I thought of was, kid. And today you've given me more life. Thank you. And I love you. It's awesome. And Dan, I could tell you like when when Kobe passed away,

one of the first things I thought of was, wow, Kobe had a great career on the court accomplished so much, but he's just getting to the best stuff because it truly is better to watch your kid do it than it is doing it yourself. And so I understand where the bronze coming from. I had, I had similar moments with, with Rachel playing it Northwestern. She hasn't played that much, but she played in a final four game. And I was there, and I got to see her play in a final four game for five minutes. And I was very emotional.

I filmed the entire thing. And so I get goose bumps when I see LeBron doing what he did over the weekend and hearing him talk about it, it's really cool. It was Stugots comparing his collegiate lacrosse career to Kobe Bryant's professional career and LeBron. Can we just laugh for a second at LeBron actually bringing his phone out to record this moment? And I know that's like a sweet thing.

It's what parents do. But I just, it doesn't even have a social media guy. If I'm LeBron, I have somebody, hey, videotape all this on the phone for me, so I can be in the moment. It was just, I was impressed and also dumbfounded at LeBron, being that parent who's literally recording this grainy video

now on his phone. You want to be hands-on, Chris, you do. You want to be the, no, but this is, Chris, this is- LeBron could have a video guy make an entire YouTube-like- Chris, being in the moment these days is being on your phone and in your phone and filming your son. I mean, it's a great take.

We put that on a poll. Put it on the poll at Levitar Show. Is being in the moment maximum religious present for being in your phone. Forget the poll, put that on a poster. Put it on a t-shirt. Thank you. Text it to someone.

Angel, put it on a t-shirt, levitardaf.com. That was incredible. I do think, like, picking up your phone to take a picture or film, something has become like a reflex. Like, I just instinctively, I'm like, oh my god, my dog did something cute that she's done 7,000 times earlier, just this very day. I have to take a picture. And then I'm like, okay, I don't actually,

you try to catch yourself. I don't need a third video from this concert of the same song. I will never watch this back. It's just a reflex now. The other day, my daughter is running to Stanley Panther, the Panther's mascot. And I'm like, just, I didn't even think about it. I'm like, I have to videotape this. I have to get my phone out, hurry up.

Chris, stay over there. Don't come back yet. I gotta get you running back. You're in the moment. I don't know why I did it. But it's like, I'm me. If I was LeBron, I would have someone in that moment be like, hey, you're on social media duty today. If I was LeBron, I would have someone in that moment

be like, hey, you're on social media duty today. Get it all on the phone, I wanna watch it later. And then I can just sit there and be LeBron James. It's just wild to me watching him. It was kind of, it's endearing, but it's also just like, what is this world? He wants it from his POV though. He wants to like go back, probably, and watch like,

oh, this is what I saw on my phone when I lived in the moment through myself. If someone else was doing it, they would criticize him. We criticize him today for not being in the moment. It would hurt yourself. Oh, I would not criticize him if he was standing there just in the moment. Well, I think I'm gonna...

He was really in the moment, he'd be on his phone though. I'm gonna try and be skip bailess here, and I'm gonna see an aging war horse of takes. I'm gonna see, because everything you guys say is so, but I'm gonna see if I, I wish I was wearing a costume right now. Hey, LeBron, you fake father. You wanted everybody to see you videotaping that it wasn't about being president in the moment and living your life presently.

That was a marketing tool to make sure that nobody saw that your agent's betting on games. He got the eyebrow down. I was hoping the camera would zoom in on me very closely as I eviscerated one of the great icons of our time who has always behaved so well publicly and was having a fatherly moment and then childless me saunters over and accuses him. It's every, it's what being Stugat's for a moment.

Like Stugat's took the other role this time. It felt good. Oh my God, did it feel good. It was joyous. Do you want me to try it again? It was Maverick Carter, not Rich Paul. Fine. Alright, I'll do it again. Forgive me. It is a fine and fine. I'll do it again Well do it live

Are you getting money? Yeah, now I can't do it live because we're up and I get this money retroactively since the fine bucket Who stole the money? The money. Yes, I get Billy, yeah. I got zero dollars. Look, I owe you an apology. I called Garrett Wilson, Gabriel Wilson last week. So I'm gonna have them owe you five. Let's just hand it straight to her. Make it a 50.

Don Lebertard. Let's go to a 80. Bo. He was Bo. Wow. I think Billy typed an eight instead of a eight. Five's a clear as day. $2.00.

Number eight. He got three. It's Chris Conor on the line. C-C. VCC down Limitars show with his 2.00. Gats. Over the weekend, we had one of the closest Heisman races of recent years. So wasn't all that close.

It just goes to show you how usually these things are set in stone. I have a beef with the whole process that a lot of the votes are due before conference championship weekend because I think Michael Penex did enough in winning the Pact 12 to make you reconsider and also didn't allow for any Jordan Travis narrative to get out there in the mainstream media as his injury was deemed by the College Football Playoff Committee to be important enough to change the course potentially of College Football history. I voted for him and I voted for him on my phone about, without even knowing it, about 45 minutes before the results were posted.

I didn't know I was that close up against the deadline and I just didn't know what time the deadline was. You voted sad, you voted. No, no, no, no, my vote did count. Not a count. No, I was one of Jordan Travis's eight votes. He got eight first place votes and I regret two things. Not voting for the Iowa punter and that Michael Penex didn't lose by one vote.

Who were those eight rascals? But you're saying you voted on Saturday? No, I voted before the deadline. The deadline was not Saturday. Just made it. I did not before the announcement. The perils of mail in voting. Before they named the finalist. Got it. The deadline was not Saturday. Just made it. Four and five minutes. It's just got to do. Not before the announcement. The parols of mail-in voting, yes.

Before they named the finalist. Got it. And Michael Penex is who I would have voted for and I voted Marvin Harrison number three because. Junior, not the third, yeah. Because Daniels. Mazerati Marv.

Because Daniels, you know, did a lot in games against bad teams and they lost a lot And it's not his fault that the defense wasn't any good. He averaged 10 yards of play But penics they're undefeated. He's an amazing story and he was also great and Jordan Travis is clearly the the most valuable player in the sport A tremendous player incredible off the clearly the most valuable player in the sport. A tremendous player, incredible. Like literally most valuable. Jaden Daniels, incredible offensive output. That's not necessarily what the award is for, not the most outstanding offensive output.

I do think when compared to some of the more recent ones, this might be one of the more forgettable in retrospect, Heisman trophies winners. I'm not out here to bury the kid. It was just an odd choice for an LSU team that despite their win-loss record, voters kept ranking pretty highly. It's just it's a weird one. And I think that this these finalists at this high smitrophy presentation shows us this whole new world. Now most recent high sman winners have all been transfers. Those players that are

going to New York or off in the byproduct of transfers, but even more so with the portal, all of them outside of Jordan. Well, no, Jordan Travis was also a transfer, wasn't he? So all these players, this is the new reality of college football. All these players played somewhere previously and will have complicated legacy in that they played in other places. Do you remember, I had to be reminded. I know that Jaden Daniels was a transfer but I didn't know where he transferred from.

And then I was reminded it was Arizona State. And I thought about this video that thankfully went viral yet again, of a couple of years ago where Arizona State's Sunday Valdes players, this was during the Hermead words tenure. Hermead words actually recruited quite well. It wasn't I. You also part of that team like they they had a lot of good players over there, but there was this video of inside the Sunday Valdes players clearing out the locker of a quarterback and it was only until this week that i was reminded that quarterback

that they were clearing out the locker for was this year's high-spin trophy winner jayden daniel's on listen to the editorial from these players as it goes on uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...

fuck anyways he didn't do anything else he sucks anyways we're glad to lose him to here's later has been trophy one. Jane Daniels has had such an interesting career because like you said he had a really rough go after the COVID season. Arizona State was one of those teams that I can't even remember how many games I ended up playing that year in 2020, but it was less than 10, I want fewer than 10, I want to say. And then the following year had just kind of like a very, just not great year, transferred to LSU, played a lot better his first year at LSU,

and then this year, just like his numbers, he put up monster numbers. And I think totally is deserving of being the most outstanding player in college football. And I do also think like Brian Kelly, how did you lose three games with the Heisman Trophy winner as your quarterback? Like that, come on, man. If you just have like a slightly better defense, right? Like you have to be in the SEC championship. I know he got hurt in the Alabama game and that ended up being like probably the biggest game of the year for them. And that stinks. but oh my god dude come on get it together

Heisman trophy went in quarterback nine and three you say that but at ls u the one I remember is That Ben Simmons went to ls u was clearly a great player and I don't think they made the n it I don't think Or they lost in the n it didn't make any sense to me. Same thing happened to Fultz at Washington where he was great and they didn't win very many games and it was confusing to me. When I say one of the more forgettable and recent memory, Hyzmetrophy winners, I mean, it's kind of an oxymoron. You remember for history as a Hyzmetrophy winner, but you are reminded

during these broadcasts of people that you might have forgotten about and look, my school has one of these maybe more forgettable Heisman trophy winners. And we were all reminded of that Heisman trophy winner when he stood next to Desmond Howard. There was just one age one year in age difference between Desmond Howard and Geno Toretta. One year? Well, they won the Heisman one year apart. Yeah, there may be a more of a gap in actual age. Jeremy, look that up for us. Please, one year apart. How old is Desmond Howard and how old is Geno Toretta? Because that is startling that that they are one year apart.

I'm hoping, Mike Ryan, the Desmond one it. I'm hoping the Desmond earlier earlier. Yes, I'm hoping that the math is that will goes that way. Jeremy, look that up for us, please. Already got it, Dan. Let me illuminate you on this one. They're the same age 53. That's amazing.

That's amazing. Okay, but who won the Heisman in one order? I'm hoping the Desmond wanted please look that up for me I'm still hoping you got to answer to my question Desmond's older by three months Again, who won the Heisman that's always asking yes But Desmond being older is fun. Yes, but at first they're in line based off of like oldest to new house They do that. I didn't watch it. I watched killers of the flower moon saturday night. Nice.

Didn't take an intermission, but at one point, I just looked at my phone and I was like, huh, Jane Daniels won the highest. Living in the moment. Desmond Howard won the year before, Geno Toretta, so yeah, that's not a great question. I feel like I got it right. Yeah, I got it right.

You did. Desmond Howard won in 1991, Gen I got it right. You did. It does mean it happened. It's even funnier. It does mean Howard won in 1991, Jeno Toretta won in 1992. Ha! Ha! You're brad.

That kind of proves the point. The fact that Jess didn't watch it, like Jess says, into College of Balls anybody, it kind of proves that this is just like an uninterested Heisman. It's like an uninterested Heisman. The Heisman has, I don't,

like there's been a lot of argument and disagreement among college football media and personalities about the Heisman and about what it awards and who it favors and all of these different things and how it's not really a great measure of the most outstanding player in college football because like an offensive tackle will never win it and a tight end will never win it. And a tight end will never win it. And you have to play one of the three positions on offense, probably to ever win it. Like rarely will a defender be a finalist, right? And so I get that.

And you can just kind of argue about it and decide how much stock you want to put in it. It's still a nice ceremony. I think it's still a great award for whoever wins it. And it matters. It's still a nice ceremony. I think it's still a great award for whoever wins it. And it should, you know, it matters. It really matters to players still. So I don't wanna completely discount it. Like I know a lot of people do now,

but yeah, this year was, I think a particularly weird year because you had one of the, Jay Daniels finished with like 50 touchdowns and like 5,000 yards. Like these unbelievable stats. It was deserving, yeah. His team was not a team that we talked about in the final month of football, because they already lost two games.

Next year, when we have a 12 team playoff, LSU will be seated, I don't know at 9 and 3, they might be on the bubble, but they might be seated like kind of in the bottom half of the 12 team bracket, depending on how they stack up against the rest of the field. And maybe they'll do a deep playoff run and it will be a team that you still talk about despite the fact that they had, you know, they lost in week one. So we wrote them off already because that's just how that's how the 14 playoff

has made us think about football, which I think kind of sucks. Jean next year, next year it will be you don't want to face Jid and Daniels in the college football playoffs. But you do want to play against LSU's defense. Gina looked old when he won. He's got to be 40 here, no? Gino Toreta's always looked like a 45 year old man. What do you guys think of Michael Penex's suit? Because I have a theory that I want to float by the class and see what you think. So his suit, for those of you who don't know the lining on the inside, had the names

of all his teammates and all his coaches. So everybody was part of this whole moment for him and all this stuff, right? Very nice. Now, I feel like if he would have announced that that was the case, or shown people as sued before the voting had wrapped, he would have won the Heismate because sports writers and voters love that crap. Yes. Love it.

And I feel like if he would have just shown people that suit the Heismate would have been his. That's Michael. I love that idea. Can you please just literally wear your heart on your sleeve? Also back to LSU for one second. According to Bill Connelly's S&P Plus metric, which ranks teams on offense and defense and special teams, LSU finished with the number two offense in college football, the number 56 ranked defense.

I want to run an idea by you since we're talking about all these guys who are transferring in college. Why don't we like why stop? Why not just let it go all the way out dead. And here's the idea I have for you. It's a playoff portal. Now imagine, okay, last week, if Archmaning says, I am leaving Texas and I am going to Florida state right after the regular season is done, it's a playoff special playoff portal. I heard this on double five. I heard this on God bless football.

You guys should check that out this morning. It's to God's, it goes very hard at this idea on God bless football this morning. Yeah, but you're not on God bless football and I wanted to run the idea by you because I happen to love the idea playoff portal. It's essentially a trade deadline day and where people can transfer teams while their team is in the playoffs.

Right. And that's why the award winning God bless football comes out before anybody does around here and you should listen to Stu Gotts' thoughts on that there instead of getting them reheated here. Yeah, but we can't get your thoughts there. I mean, we can. You could. I was just in the other room.

Do you want to come on this? I heard you doing it. I didn't want to do it again. I mean, we can. You could. I was just in the other room. Do you want to come on this? I heard you doing it. And I didn't want to do it again. I have a segment for you this week. Would you like to come on? I do. I'd be happy. It's called, would you be shocked?

I'd be happy to do more of your work for you. Answer the question. If Texas's third string quarterback played for Florida State, would they be in the playoffs, Dan? That's the question. You were listening. That was the exact example. Yes, our fan.

Yes. You can listen to God bless football. You did start. That was the exact example. Yes, I was listening. Yes. You can listen too. God bless football. You did start a game this year, a different podcast. That isn't this one. From a hyperspective, though, I think they're in. Same.

But Dan, you can get Stugot's exclusive thoughts on this matter before our show comes out. I prefer not to do that here. I heard you already doing it there. We're doing enough of this stuff to not have it be redundant with you recycling shit you've done elsewhere. First and better, on God Bless Football. What if the mannings have to adopt

Jordan Travis as their nephew? Whoa! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha!