The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Bernie Mac in Mr. 3000

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Welcome to The Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? A podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it.

And now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. This episode is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings Kings the crown is yours Pablo Torre will be on with us in an hour that story of his about the NFL Colluding even though an arbiter didn't rule Technically that the NFL had colluded that story is not going away That story is going to continue to have stuff in it that is going to get found out that is going to make it more and more problematic,

especially since Don Van Nata is now sniffing around the proceedings, the Pulitzer Prize winner, and he's reporting, according to sources, that the NFLPA and the NFL agreed to keep collusion findings secret. And this is obviously problematic for a couple of reasons and I wanted to ask Hawkins some questions about this before Pablo Torre comes on, but we talked yesterday about Demora Smith having a book coming out and one of the complaints that many people had about Demora Smith inside of NFL players circles was that Demora Smith would be the type of person

who would write a book when that's not the position that he is in, but very often, when you get a showy lawyer, when you get a lawyer who is interested in whatever, attention, bringing publicity to himself, not just his cause, You get a lot of people complaining about what his interests are. Right now, Lloyd Howell runs the Players Union and there are reports about him having conflicts with NFL-related businesses because this is a pollutant throughout unions in the big

sports where the membership doesn't necessarily trust that the person in charge of the membership is doing the bidding of just the membership. DeMaurice Smith was always accused of being very self-interested or distrusted by his own people, which is sort of, it's a bit inherent to the position, right? It happens a great deal, not just to DeMaurice.

I'm happy you said that because out of all the sports, it seems like that is the most difficult one to be head of the Players Association for because of the very nature of that sport being so violent. There are only a few guys that survive in that league long enough to make money. So if you have something like a work stoppage on your clock, the vast majority of your player base

is not there for very long. This is their opportunity to make money. If they lose half a season, they're losing potentially 30% of their pro career. So it is very difficult. It's like people form an opinion about the leadership in California when California is an impossible state to govern compared to some smaller states. So I actually have a great deal of empathy for that position.

It seems like it's one of the more difficult ones in sports. It is because also there's so many people from so many different interests, right? Like to your point, even about California, like these are people from all over the map that have completely different views on a lot of these things. The Morris, in my experience or my opinion, even while I was a player was,

I felt like he always wanted everyone to like him. And again, as someone who's been a part of the NFLPA, through my family for years, literally almost my whole life, it was like, this is a position where the person at the helm has to have a large amount of I don't give a shit. Like you can't care if anybody likes you. And when I would get into it sometimes because I was a player rep with the union when they'd come in, it was like every time we would

visit or they would visit that it would always be all the great things that you know, we had or happened or you know, hey, we had this last CBA deal. This is what we got. This is what we got. But I never felt like they ever talked about all the things and the noise that was happening of like, hey, this will be lost. This is what the issues would be. This is what the risks are. And I'm like, we can't actually be making the dent in what we're trying to make a

dent if we can't call it exactly like it is. And so I would say, hey, don't come in here and tell us about all these great things. Let's talk about the hard things so we can actually make change. Like that was one of my criticism. I also think we need to do a better job as football players or as a union, I would say, of merging former players and current players. That was my position even as a player

because I feel like experience is one of the most valuable assets in any profession and by separating, keeping those things separate, the current guys never have that brain trust of information that will help them in their voting and their decision making. And number two is basically using the vehicle that we have to educate the next crop of players.

Because even if it does stay how it is, the guys that are in high school now will be voting and making decisions for the guys that are currently in the league. And I know it's like well how do you know who's going to get to the NFL? Yeah that's that's it's a crap shoot you don't really know but I would tell you at the top 300 players every year 45% of them go to the NFL. So it's somewhat of an

indictment to say of Demora Smith he was a little too interested in being liked. A greater indictment to me of him and others in that position is not necessarily that his constituency liked him or didn't like him, but do you or do you not trust him? And this reporting today by Don Van Nata is something that I'm telling you will have more consequences that will result

in more discovery because NFL players are now being informed by reporting that the NFL Players Union actively partnered with the NFL in keeping information away from the NFL Players Union's constituency. And once you get there there now players are asking really uncomfortable questions about what do you mean you agreed to a confidentiality agreement with the NFL that doesn't give us the information about what you agreed to what I'm telling you about Demora Smith writing a book and I understand why people would want it and I understand why he would do it

especially after leaving but the personality type who's in that position who feels a great need to write a book is exactly the criticism DeMora Smith was getting when he had the distrust of some of his clients and constituency that he was a little too interested in how things looked for him as opposed to the group. I will say I had to Google it. I did not know the current NFLPA president at the moment because he's avoided news. And Demora Smith did like the headlines. I don't think he's gonna be able to avoid it anymore.

I do get, I know that that's a criticism wanting to be liked, but you're literally representing your players. You almost have to be liked by a huge segment of who you're representing. I will say though, it was curious when Demora Smith became the head of the NFLPA. It was a departure from what the NFL did. That league in particular, the players really put a premium on guys that actually played the game representing their interests. Demora Smith did not have

that pro player background. I guess that was a moment in time Hawk, where they wanted someone with presidential acumen and executive level acumen because of the nature of the money that was coming into the business. Look, and when I say wanted to be liked, I'm not talking about by players, I'm talking about by everybody. And you can't be liked by everybody when you are tasked with the interests

of one specific group of people, right? To your point about Gene Upshaw, again, also had his shortcomings at times, but he did not give a shit. He would go toe to toe with anyone and he was a former player, so you never questioned the motives or the things that he cared about deep down

because you kind of identified with his life and his process to get to that point. You have to have a vested interest in what you're protecting. Like, I don't think this is a for hire job, and you don't have to be a former player to have this job, but I feel like if you're making the, you know, putting your hat in the ring for this very high paid,

very visible role, I need to be convinced of why you truly give a damn, because that's what's gonna matter, because this is hard. You're going to battle against billionaires in a business where you don't have leverage but take me inside your home as I give you this information you're an NFL player and I inform you hey there was a confidentiality agreement between the NFL and the NFL PA about how it is that collusion sort of happened and that

information was kept confidential at least in part so that the players wouldn't know What their union representatives had done on their behalf now take me you're an active player And I send you that information am I already just by virtue of what it is I've told you about the entire history of all this Do you not have confirmation bias Are you not already in a circumstance where you distrust your union leadership and therefore this information arrives and it is confirming your bias?

I do not trust the people who represent me. I think you over, I won't even say that. I would say the current players that you have to realize, and this is what I'm talking about of the way the system is set up, as a football player in the NFL and I don't give a damn like if you're the the last guy on the roster or you're making 50 million dollars a year it is hard to make the most of that and make as much money as you can without solely being focused there now there are people who

can have a foot in both lanes so if you're asking me about current players, and every time I hear this conversation, whether it's on podcasts or whether it's, you know, in the news or these things arise, you'd be surprised at how many current players aren't clocking this conversation because they drafted a guy in my position and I'm on the bubble.

Or they're starting to give this guy more targets than me because they want me to take a pay cut and or they're gonna cut me if he has a bigger season than me. And I gotta wake up at 5 a.m. tomorrow and I gotta do recovery and I'm gonna train till one o'clock and I gotta go eat and it's just, I have kids.

It's not as, you know, big picture when you're in it as you think it is. That's typically Because on the outside you guys are seeing the big picture because you we don't report on the day-to-day of what it takes to Be an NFL player or the things they're considering and whatnot and former players They care more about it because they're on the other side. They no longer have the health insurance They're no longer getting the a hundred thousand dollars a game or $500,000 a game checks that they got for eight years, five years or what have you. And now they're like, well, I wish we would have done this.

But even in that moment, if I could go back right now as a 39 year old back in the NFL, and I would say, man, would I focus more on that? I wouldn't because I think about the ways I could have made 10 more million dollars. I don't think about, man, I wish I would have dug more into the CBA. And that's where I'm are I think about the ways I could have made ten more million dollars I don't think about man I wish I would have dug more into the CBA and that's where I'm saying the system and how it's set up is Not conducive to take those strides. So every time everyone else is surprised by it I'm more surprised that you're surprised by it. Well the thing about your perspective though as an

Unrelenting survivor and that makes sense, you're saying, look, I had to concentrate on the daily micro, I couldn't do the historic macro of perspective. And the grand majority of players in the league are more like you than the ones who are making the big money. But if I were making the big money, and I had my safety, and I was not worried about the day-to-day survival,

and this arrived on my information highway, and I'm a person who is expecting my union leadership to represent me, I would immediately start asking an assortment of questions about what do you mean my own people were withholding information from me about possible collusion in my league? Hock, this one does seem a little bit easy from the player's perspective.

This is collusion to keep everybody down at the highest level. I think people even at the lowest levels, it's not the disconnect that you'll have from a guy that's on the practice squad to Russell Wilson money. This is ownership groups and front offices getting together to keep wages down and it doesn't time up with a work stoppage.

This seems like an easy win for the players to rise up. Mike it's not just to keep wages down which is bothersome enough. It's not just that this happened two days after Deshaun Watson's guaranteed money which is problematic enough. I'm more bothered if I'm a representative, if I'm somebody who's being represented by, I'm trusting because of the daily fight that Hawkins is talking about. I gotta concentrate on being my one guy in front of me because we're fighting over the same money. I'm mad that in any way my union is collectively bargaining a limit on my guaranteed money but I'm mad that in any way, my union is collectively bargaining a limit on my guaranteed money.

But I'm angrier still that they entered into an agreement with the NFL where they didn't want me to have information, never mind money, just total information on what my situation is. Right. Normally when the NFLPA and the NFL come to an agreement, you see the benefit for the players. I'm struggling to wrap my head around like, what is the benefit of this secret agreement in which we have evidence that there was collusion to keep wages down,

to collude against fully guaranteed contracts because everyone outside of the sport and within the sport says, well, the Deshaun Watson contract kind of breaks the system a little bit. Are they going the way of way of NBA with guaranteed contracts? I really don't understand what the players gain from the NFLPA not making a huge mess of this situation because great investigative reporting has kind of caught them red handed

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Don Lebatard. Mike Ryan's in there and he's the one with a baby. He's the one who's got to like worry about what the future is. And Mike Ryan bet on DraftKings, cause Mike Ryan bet on us. This is the bet you're afraid of doubling down on? Putting up a billboard in Edmonton?

Stugats. I care more about Matthew Kachuck than I do my daughter. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats! The thing that I'm bothered by if I'm an NFL player on this is the idea that in any way, my union representative isn't treating the NFL as an adversary, that they're entering into partnership with somebody to keep information from me.

They're entering into partnership with my adversary to keep information away from me. I'd be asking a lot more questions if I was a player with guaranteed money in that league who had been evidently, reportedly betrayed by their management. That's tricky. That's tricky for me. I get what you're saying because the owners

in that any potential work stoppage, the owners are always gonna be viewed as the enemy, but it is a partnership. We're an independent media company that has several partnerships. I can't think of one that works being adversarial. We had one of those when we were employees at Disney between management and us, and it wasn't for long.

So I don't know how you make it work by viewing things through that prism, like this is my enemy, when they're partners in the billion dollar industry. You tell me, Hawk, because I think that Demarra Smith, when he writes a book calling Roger Goodell a cold, dark void, like he's telling you afterward we were adversaries he was telling you during that they're adversaries like he works for the players he does not work for the

league he's not making money that the NFL is giving him the players are giving him a percentage of their money to protect their interests. Like it was also very, that was a huge inflection point for the league when Demora Smith had it too. Not only is it a hard job, but I think on his watch, when you have the concussion issues, the business absolutely booming to the point that it, it becomes one of the more profitable business ventures in the world.

It's a, it was a unique time in history. It's like being in charge now on the forefront of AI blowing up, like how do you lead? There's no playbook exactly for this. When that concussion study came out, that was unprecedented. It was something that was talked about,

but they didn't have the data behind it. When Hawkins talks about the way the system works against the player, I want you to understand that what you're trying to do with a lawyer is ask for impeccable morality and ethics in a situation that is ripe for contamination because the player is so busy focused on his or her day to day and very often, very often has spent so much time trying to get to the top one percent of that one percent that they're not spending generally a whole lot of time thinking about business union issues they have people that they're giving substantive

percentages demora smith retires as a very wealthy man off the bodies of the others because his job is to make sure that his employees have the maximum amount of information to know that they're being well represented by him but i'm telling you it's a group of people not just football players but athletes in general who have to beat other athletes for money they're particularly susceptible to not having the correct information before they're betrayed

by the people who they're paying to make sure they have the correct information. I couldn't believe yesterday that Zaz said he wasn't interested in this book. I find this topic in particular, and I think I can code it with understanding what D. Smith's agenda is. I'm really interested to read this book with my ears. I don't think it's a book that a union head should be writing. I don't think that a union, and I say this, like Marvin Miller wrote books and changed the way

that finances work, but Marvin Miller didn't agree to a salary cap. Like Marvin Miller didn't agree to fixed costs that make it so these owners can collude over guarantee money because they can't actually control themselves. The system controls them. And in this particular case, you have to have an honest broker

representing the NFL players. They need the representation because so few of them, for example, have law degrees. I'm also just fascinated by the narrative around Demora Smith that paints him as a bad guy. I'm like, well, when we were trying to pick sides during those work stoppages or talks of work stoppages, the enemy was Roger Goodell.

Roger Goodell has gotten more popular, navigated a moment in time around Ray Rice where people were calling for his job and it seemed to have real positive momentum. That his job was genuinely in jeopardy and the game was more boring, offenses were stagnant, you had a Peyton Manning winning Super Bowl 50 in what was one of the worst seasons in NFL history in terms of how to view the game and the viewing experience for the fan. He navigated that and Roger Good I think, has actually done a pretty good job.

If you look at the landscape of sports, and this may have more to do with Adam Silver's recent shortcomings, he's gone somehow from categorically consensus, worst commissioner in sports around the time of Ray Rice, to now you look at it, it's like, damn, is Roger the best? He was kicking Demora Smith ass for 10 years, man. You gotta appreciate greatness, he's like Tom Brady, like they were

going to head to head battle. And if that's what this book is about, then that makes more sense. How I got my ass kicked. I'm not surprised by I'm not interested in the book, not because I don't, you know, I have an issue with the Morris Smith, but I don't care about the

words. I can see what the actions were when these issues arose or what we fought for, what we didn't fight for, what was a big deal, what was painted to us as like oh don't worry about this and then it ended up being something we absolutely should have worried about and to your point even about this again it is more information that I'm sure will come union representatives better have a bunch of questions they better get as much information as possible and to

your point there better be a damn good reason why you sign a non-disclosure agreement that maybe you can talk about in those rooms and they should make the decision to say, okay, is this valid or is it not? But the interesting part about this and the reason why the system is always hurtful is because in the NBA, to your point about partnership, the NBA PA and the NBA have a true partnership because it is a face player driven league. If Steph Curry doesn't play a certain amount of games, if LeBron doesn't play a certain amount of games,

I didn't come to the Warriors game to not see Steph Curry. I'm not coming to the Heat arena and not to see Dwayne Wade and LeBron James. I'm coming for them. In the NFL, it's the Shield. These are recyclable names. The moment I get traded, my jersey number goes to the next person

and Hawkins is forgotten and the Browns, right? Like, yeah, we have some affinity for them, but we are following. Never forgotten. Never forgotten. We're following the Browns. We're following the Dolphins.

This is my team for 30 years. It was my grandfather's team, so on and so forth. The faces of the league are the quarterbacks, right? And the 32 quarterbacks are paid the most handsomely. They're the ones in the locker room who have the relationship with the owners. They don't come and talk to a lot of players. Most owners, not all owners,

but most of them will have a relationship with the quarterback, the face of their franchise. And if we keep them happy by making sure they get their money and they are handsomely played, they're gonna be less likely to jump into these union fights or fight for rights of whatever. And I understand it because I'm paid.

I don't wanna mess up the gravy chain that I have for me and my family. Now on this, this guarantee, yeah, it trickles down, but the first direct impact is exactly those guys. It's you guys. It's you guys that they're trying to limit the guarantees of in this report or whatever they're asking about. So that's gonna be be the interesting for me interesting thing for

me because now you have an issue that affects them being the highest paid faces of the league more than it affects the other 1768. You mentioned Tom Brady you also use the word handsome in the middle of handsomely paid. Tom Brady is having a winning summer. Tom Brady doesn't often have off seasons. Tom Brady suffered about as much criticism as he's ever gotten last year during the football season. Pretty close to it.

That's the only thing close to an L, I think. He close to it. That's the only thing close to an L I think he's got. His broadcasting career has had some criticism in it that is louder than almost all of the other criticism that he would have had but now people are following his dating habits and what is the latest that has been reported on Tom Brady after he won the fanatics games, the Michael Rubin games of celebrity winning. Yeah, he's having a great off season. Now I don't know how many off seasons Tom Brady's ever had, but even in retirement, the dude cannot stop winning. He's been spotted in Ibiza with Sofia Vergara.

Happy birthday to her, by the way. He was seen palling around reportedly with Sidney Sweeney at Jeff Bezos' wedding, photographed on a yacht with Kate Hudson. Tom Brady is having a Tom Brady-like off season. A happy birthday to Sofia Vergara. Happy birthday to her. I don't care.

Good luck. 53, I believe. that's nuts Don LeBattard The judge coach sweetie two guts. I should say hello. This is the Don LeBattard show with a two guts Speaking of birthdays, let's get John C. Reilly, please, singing Happy Birthday, of course, to Jack White from the pitching mound in Detroit, please. Let's see what we have here. John C. Reilly, universally funny. Let's see what we have here. John C. Reilly, universally funny. Let's see what he did here. To my friend Jack White! On three! One, two, three! Happy birthday to you. Come on Detroit! Happy birthday to you. Speed it up.

Happy birthday dear Jack Happy birthday to you Was that like a first pitch? That he just was like, give me the mic? Like he seems to be out there to throw out our first pitch. My skin is crawling with how slow that took. I was embarrassed for Jack White Jack White was embarrassed. Why was John C. Riley wearing a full Detroit Tigers uniform with a scarf? It appeared like it appeared there was a scarf in there. Hiked up hands. He had the stirrups almost Was it for the Love of the Game? Is that the name of the movie where John C. Reilly

produced what I believe to be the single least athletic thing ever produced by an actor in a sports movie? John C. Reilly is the catcher of the Tigers, tried to catch a foul ball, ran straight toward the back wall, did so very clumsily, very poorly, caught the foul ball, but they had to have done a thousand takes of that because he clearly did not have anything

in the way of athleticism. Is that indeed a scarf underneath his Tigers jersey? Ascot. Ascot. Might be an Ascot situation. It might be an Ascot. Maybe he's dressed like the 1933 Detroit Tigers. Was that a team then?

It does look like a bit of Black Sox era uniform. And the Tigers have the best team in baseball right now right because the Dodgers have lost six straight games so I'm assuming the Tigers have won more games than anyone in baseball it's a popular time in Detroit for Detroit baseball but yet for the love of the game is the name I always want to do the show least athletic things that you've ever seen in the movies because of the basketball diaries with leonardo de caprio the way that he delivered the way that he dribbled a basketball

the way that michael fox or in any sitcom really or anything from will smith and anything that was being done by uh... what was his name uh... funds or a bearer in uh... in their own bureau of the group but and michael j fox Alfonso Ribera in... Barrow. Oh, disculpa. And Michael J. Fox. Yeah, Michael J. Fox, but the dribbling of basket... You would agree that sitcom basketball, anytime you've ever seen a basketball game played on sitcom television,

it is never something that feels authentic. It's terrible. It's the one sport that you know, this guy is not athletic. He does not know what he's doing. As you put somebody on a football field, they can kind of run around, you can kind of get away with it.

That's cap. Go ahead. Well, but Hawk, you're talking about dribbling a basketball. No, it's hard. No, it's immediately. Immediately. That you're not a basketball player. When you're running around, okay, like you can kind of pan away and whatever. The moment you start dribbling a basketball like this,

we got issues. You guys would agree though, that sitcom television does a particularly poor job of making its basketball players look like they've ever played basketball before. 100%. Famously. In football, it's really bad.

If someone is cast as a quarterback, none of them can throw. Keanu Reeves did not give off quarterback in the replacements. Famously, Diddy was originally cast to play Willie Beeman. And he got it without even an audition, and then they put him on the football field, and the story is he couldn't throw at all, and that's how Jamie Foxx got the job.

Any Given Sunday football? Top notch, that's top notch film and television sport right there. There was an eyeball on the field. It was unrealistic. Orlando Brown. You've never seen an eyeball get knocked out in a game? Were we buying Bernie Mac as a great hitter in Mr. 3000? Ha!

It's a fine choice by you, but Mike is bringing up, Mike is bringing up something I'd actually like to talk about. What is less realistic in television,s or television in general? The recreation of the football or the recreation of basketball? Because Mike's saying football is harder and he might be right because when I think about it I would imagine that football would be harder to make realistic because you're making giant hits realistic. But honestly, when I think of it first, I think basketball is the thing I've seen

represented most poorly in things like the Fresh Prince. That's tough. I think it's a throwing motion is just so easy to spot. I mean, although basketball- Ask Tony, he tried for FIU, they knew right away. They couldn't do it off of the throwing motion. It was almost immediate. I gotta tell you, Danny McBride and Eastbound and now that's bad That's really really well

I told you guys that Adam McKay mentioned that Danny McGruff bride It took him a year just to get him to throw that well Kenny Powers. It took him one year One year to teach him how to look like he was throwing a baseball from a pitching motion because he's got no athleticism, none, zero, didn't know how to throw a baseball, didn't know how to hold a glove. Imagine if Kenny Powers played basketball and how long it would have taken him to look somewhat competent dribbling a

basketball from here to there. All right, put it on the pole, please. That Levitard show hardest thing to recreate authentically on a television show. Basketball, baseball, or football? Go ahead and make your choice. Stugatz is in Tahoe. He has arrived. We are telling you here consistently that Stugatz is building his own empire, his own business with God Bless Football and Stupotity. He has arrived in Tahoe. He is interviewing all of the people, all of the athletes in Tahoe. He goes every year. He is at the center of his own chumminess. He loves going there. He got together with

Matthew Kachuk, Gary Sheffield and others. Let's play some sound with him just going way overly chummy with Matthew Kachuk, which I'm not totally sure he would have recognized if Taylor didn't ID him for Stugats. Penalty shot for your life. I want you to think about this. Okay. TJ Oshie who is here or Wayne Gretzky. Oh, penalty shot for your life. Okay. I'm probably going. That's so tough. I feel like I saw somewhere once that Gretzky said he didn't like breakaways, which I find that he was. I find that that's not true. One of my favorite moments in sports history

was watching Oshie in the four shootout goal game. So I'm gonna take Oshie. Okay. He lives. You're living. Yeah, so you're alive. You're on the Mount Rushmore of South Florida sports. How does that feel to you, Ben? Oh, I don't know. I put you there. Well, you're alive. You're on the Mount Rushmore of South Florida sports. How does that feel to you, Ben?

I put you there. Well, I appreciate it. It takes a village and I'm just lucky to be surrounded by tons of great people. I can't tell who's more insincere there. Chuckie at the very end. Stewart Chuckie. I mean, Stewart put him in quite the spot. There's no way Stewart Gatz believes that. How did he not kill him for choosing over Gretzky?

I gotta say, Oshie is the right call there. It's not the right call! He won a gold medal! Oshie's the right call there. His game, Dan, not yours. That was one of the greatest American moments. It was like Washington crossing the Potomac. He lived, so he got it right.

Captain America! They went to TJ Oshie multiple times in a shootout We didn't even know that that was an allowable rule and he put a country on his back. TJ Oshie is the best. I understand your passion here. I didn't think I would have to scream this with my headset off. Should I take my headset off too? Yes. It's Gretzky! What are you doing? I would take Pavel Bure over Gretzky! Mm-hmm. Like, what are you doing? I would take Pavel Bure over Gretzky on a breakaway too. Wow.

Easy. Fashion rocket. Easy, I mean Gretzky, as Kachuk alluded to, Gretzky himself said he didn't like breakaways. I mean that's not, T.J. Oshie in a penalty shootout situation I think is famously better than Gretzky and Gretzky, I mean to his credit, didn't have many penalty shot moments and T.J. Oshie is the most famous. Steph Curry is famously better than Gretzky and Gretzky I mean to his credit didn't have many penalty shot moments and TJ Ocean is the most famous.

Steph Curry is famously better than Larry Bird at shooting three-pointers I think the most Larry Bird ever made in a season was 81 of them. I think. Do I have it wrong? That if someone selects Steph Curry over Larry Bird, Stugatz immediately kills them because Larry Bird reputationally, that's where Stugatz immediately kills them because Larry Bird reputationally that's where Stugatz always goes consistently. Yeah but this isn't exactly Max Kellerman saying he would take a gudala over Steph Curry. This one makes sense because TJ Oshie is quite frankly the most famous for penalty shots. Steph Curry also makes sense because he is the most famous at making three-pointers. That is the right answer., Curry is the right answer for your life over Larry Bird.

Larry Bird had 98 three-pointers in 87, 88. But he's a specialist. It's like, Jorginho, not fast, not gifted, not one of the goats of his generation, penalty shot specialist. People would take Jorginho, in some cases, over even Ronaldo, as ridiculous as that sounds. Mike, you're factually right.

What does that have to do with anything? Okay. That we're talking about, because he will kill anyone who selects Steph Curry over Larry Bird, and it has nothing to do with facts. Right, right. No, I understand you're pinning him down on this. The Stugats situation.

You don't understand though, this is a Tahoe thing. TJ Oshie is probably within your shot, and he's just trying to butter him up. Well, I saw all of you wince at Stu Gotz and also smile at him saying to Kachuk, you're on the South Florida Mount Rushmore in excessive chumminess

that you guys all believe to be an insincere lie. I also don't think if we asked Stu Gotz how many people are allowed on Mount Rushmore, he would actually know the number. So that I am defending him there. If you ask him, he'd say, I don't know, like 13. Yeah. He's confusing Mount Rushmore with the Appalachian mountains. There's a bunch of them. You just continue to add them. Quick comparison. Steph Curry made 402 three-pointers in the 15, 16 season.

Before we get to our popular new game, let's just get some more StuGots. He sat down with Gary Sheffield. I tell all of you, please on YouTube, StuTube, find God Bless Football, find StuTube, find Stupotity. Let's play YouTube.com slash at StuGots790. It's very easy, Mike. It comes up immediately. All you have to do is just you could do StuGots790,'s not hard to find it all on apparently it's hard to remember for you. It's stew tube It's very easy to remember. Let's let's hear Stu gots and Taylor with Gary Sheffield in Tahoe Stu gots has his personal record book where he kind of keeps score. Okay, we have a batting stance hall of fame Your first ballot so first off congratulations Hall of Fame, you're first ballot. So first off, congratulations. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.

Second, who else would you kind of put in the category of like batting stances that you've seen that have been like, that's a great batting stance as a batting stance Hall of Famer? I always talk about this guy and he's on my top five list of one of the best baseball players of all time. And I defined it by not just based on stats alone, it's based on do they pitch to this guy? Right. And this guy, Jeff Bagwell, they didn't pitch to him. But you love the batting stance of Bagwell.

Bagwell had one of the best batting stances. And I would spread out like that. That's why it dawned on me. Gary, it was terrifying being at the stadium when you were up. I mean, if you were sitting on the third base side, it was terrifying. Yeah. When I saw that well for the first time, I say, that's my guy. We're not going to be kind of undersized compared to these big guys. And he was almost hitting, going backwards, but he was, he stayed in his legs so well. And I was the same type of hitter. I had to

hit him with my legs to generate power. And I just thought he was one of the best. Man, I want to listen to that podcast. Was that Archie Manning walking behind them? The gate did kind of resemble that of Archie Manning. We can run it back the way that we could look at the long darted golf player. But man, I could listen to Gary Sheffield critique other batting stances from the 90s and early 2000s for the rest of my life. And had a great answer. Oh so that might be... That is Archie Manning. You think so?

That is Archie Manning. He is a tall man. Yes. Look at me! Wow dude! Bones! It might be too young to be Archie Manning though. Might be too young. Let's get in there close. No. Damn it. You know what? It's just a white guy. You know what? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That is... It's Shay Billis. Clearly white guy I'm sorry that bill is clearly no. I'm sorry you came so close, but unfortunately. It's just Matthew Modine. I'm sorry