The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Big Penix Energy

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

Stugotz is upset with College Football getting buried by the NFL weekend, so the crew makes sure to take some time to dunk on the Hurricanes post-UNC lost. Then, Billy is on Jury Duty, no one should be mad at Lucy, and what is the Le Batard Show's equivalent of a fumble? Plus, Mike Golic Jr. joins the show to discuss Chris Cote's take on the Kelce brothers, GoJo and Jessica's Notre Dame texts, Oregon and Washington's excellence, and much more across College Football. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big suite, presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there.

That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. I hate what happens at college football, the second the NFL kicks off, we forget about it. I was gonna say the game. I am not letting this show forget about

what happened to the Miami Hurricanes this weekend. I would like to. You know who's happy about the Kim Aang news? The Hurricanes, because we just did 10 minutes on it. And they hit. I'm not letting them off the hook. I am not. All right, you were unhappy, obviously.

You love the cadence. Yeah, absolutely. They looked, you know that, Jess. Abby, Jess, you love every team. What are you, absolutely. They looked you didn't know that Jess Abby Jess you love every team. What are you doing? I Didn't know you like the cadence Roy. Yes, I'm a hurricane's man. You know what the FIU. I want to bring some balance to this chair Yes, this team is just an average college football team, right? Yeah He's lost the team Mario is lost

My team did not lose I'm telling you though, Cain's fans have this persecution complex like they are hated by the NC Day, NCWA, they're built up. Anytime the UM starts 4-0 against a crappy game, everyone wants the K-Rank. Other teams in the ACC have to work way harder to be ranked than Miami.

Miami is gift-rapped at rankings. As soon as they start any season 4-0, and they find a way to blow it every year. Yeah, they've been going on. We'll let this person. We'll let this person go back over the last 10 years. They've probably lost to every ACC team at some point. Right, they have.

It's not like they just lose to the same one every year. They've lost all of them. Virginia, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech. It's just a different team every year. And just so over, this team is just an average college football team. They're a little above average That's it. They're a little above. I'm not certain Tony a good win against Texas A&M like that's a solid Texas A&M is not very good. I'm as in a existential crisis. I know they're not they are going to have their sixth Jimbo Fisher has been there for six years is he is not going to get 10 wins for the

sixth year in a row this year. Right. And his buyout if he gets fired before December 1st is $77 million. They are stuck with him. Has he feel about that? Texas A&M is in an existential crisis murder right now. Again, solid team though. It's a good one for Miami. Don't give me. But it's not like, oh wow, they beat Texas A&M SEC West juggernaut. Like no, Texas A&M has major issues. They lost to Georgia Tech, Tony. Again, if they need, we don't even talk about it. It's just like the San Francisco.

No, we do. If Moody hits the fuel goal, we don't talk about that. No, but no, but that's what, right there, that moment, that's where he lost the team. When you ask your guys, lift more, sprint more, do the extras, work hard, work harder. And then you, in the moment, have a chance to control the outcome of a game Poop and you take a poop all over yourself

You lose your team. They stopped trusting you. They don't play as hard for you. He lost his team He's not a good coach Billy said it correctly last week. He was fired by FIU Tony is mad because he had her games by the haters Parley. USC my line. The haters Parley against me and Taylor and the lost both legs. He had what, overs.

I had overs and both games were taken. But he picked the wrong team. So he's just hating on that. That's all he's mad about. I was at Lewis's house and we were like, all right, let's throw some money on the games and then we were watching the, the Cains game, the USC game were like, all right, let's throw some money on the games and then we were watching the the Keynes game in the USC game

We're like, you know what? Let's just do a here's for a lay that way Justin Taylor or not happy when we get there and we're happy and then you know I saw that the wives were at a concert so little guys night. Yeah little boys night while the women are out playing That's right. Yeah. What concert? Jonas Brothers really me too. I went to the Jonas Brothers concert instead of watching the K&C game. What? It was amazing. Well, you also don't have a college football team to watch because UCF is one of the only spot in the country who has a beat and a power for this. They run a bike. They do seem like they put on a fun show. Wait, Betoni, can I ask you a question? Whose idea was the Jonas Brothers concert? My wife is when I tell you a Jonas fans fanatic, she knows every word to every song that's ever been put up on the Jonas Brothers concert. My wife is, when I tell you a Jonas fans fanatic, she knows every word to every song that's ever been put up

by the Jonas Brothers. Right, but did you see them on some sort of schedule? They were coming down here and said, this is a perfect night. I'll get my wife tickets to this so I can have a guys night only. No, luckily. Because I'm telling you 20 years from now,

that's what you'll start doing. You will look at the hard rock live band schedule. I mean, you'll project it out like six months to see where you can get your wife tickets so she can get out of the house. I mean, you'll project it out like six months to see where you can get your wife tickets so she can get out of the house. I mean, luckily she was on top of it. So it was like, hey, look, remember, this day I had the Jonas Brothers

and Lewis's wife was also a part of her group that was going. So me and Lewis were like, oh, perfect. Boys, nice. I've got you buying your wife tickets like Billy Crystal and she's just like, I don't like Billy Crystal. It's like, you do now. Notre Dame USC plays tonight. You wife tickets like Billy Crystal and she's just like I don't like Billy Crystal It's like you do now Notre Dame USC place tonight you're going to Billy Crystal. How much money I spent on these

Billy Crystal Why Billy he does it does like one man show I'm telling you Adnan went to go see him a few months back. Get out of here telling you but he's still doing stuff Maybe it's brought story Charlie probably probably like some like one man show. But what is it one man show? Everyone's got a one man show these days. I mean, I'm just trying to find a random show that you can send your wife to. Right.

I'm really crystal double advocate. Paul writes maybe Miami's not that bad. They're bad. Maybe North Carolina is just really, really good. They're not bad. They had an incredible third and fourth quarter. The beginning of the game was pretty close. And I will say, the thing about Mario is not that he's a bad coach,

it's that he's a bad game manager, right? Like he doesn't, he does not know how to finish games. He doesn't know how to manage the clock. He doesn't know how to take a knee. He's a good recruiter of bad coaching. That is part of coaching. That is not necessarily the entire, you would obviously rather have someone that could call these things.

I would say it's the most important part of coaching. When you have the opportunity to affect the outcome of a game, when you're asking your players to do all this work, and then you finally have that moment where you could affect the outcome, and you don't do what every other coach would do, which is take a knee, and then you have your players cursing on national TV,

what the bleep are we doing? Like that's the most important part of coach. The players want to know they could trust you to make the right decisions when you have to make that decision. That was an unspossibly like conduct on the assistant coach that gave North Carolina a lot of back first down on the goal line.

Pivotal moment in the game too. He was like, there are defensive leaders. He was like, midfielder, he was like at them. Like the half-fueled. He was like, air exposure trying to call a time out. I mean, just I'm done being the doubles advocate, by the way. Maybe stick. Just as Taylor.

Thank you. Just as Taylor. No one had to do it. The UNC linebackers have sneaky depth. If you go look at the last three weeks. That's my style. I'm just I like we actually asked to I like to do these recaps where he's clearly reading.

And he's always like the last three We doing it my boy the linebackers have just because they they beat us. So I'm trying to talk shit It's all I have it this book the canes were up 17 14 at half Okay, it was a good first half good win and then at the second half things fell apart They had some on you know costly turnovers that were very untimely and things just got a hand. That's all I want. Mike was there. Mike was there.

He was there, yeah. Not the long. Yeah. Now he's in California. Did he leave early? That's what I heard. Lucy left the Colorado game early. That one made sense.

That's an explicable 29 nothing. Half time. If you're if you're mad at Lucy for leaving that game at half time, prove that you are awake. Prove that you stayed up and watch the second half. Yes. The second half started like after midnight eastern. Right. 90% of this country was asleep. She's pretend like you stayed up and watched it. She told me that people were calling her Lou Gatz on Twitter. Yeah, I think I think Dan might have started that. Well, I mean, I left game six of the NBA finals before before Ray Allen shot.

I regret it till this day. I did. I knew that there was like this thing that happens when you start working here where everyone else's stink rubs off on you. Yes. It certainly happened to me. Definitely happened to Jare Bear.

No offense to everyone else. Thanks. It is a thing that happens. Okay. And now it's happened to Lucy. Well, how did it happen to you? I don't know. I used to think like, oh, wow, I'm good at this.

I used to be happy. I like sports, I'm happy. And now every time I watch this party, I'm like, how is this gonna blow up in my face? Yeah. There was a loose buy. I used to think, I'm sorry, but I used to think I was good at this.

It's such a great response. I mean, no, I'm zero confidence. It's terrible every day. Zero confidence. I mean, no, I'm zero confidence. Zero confidence. I gotta be honest with you guys, I don't like how I look in this screen. I have no confidence. I don't.

What in our workplace? I don't think Dan's fault. No, it is Dan's fault. In our workplace, what is the equivalent of a Fum Aluce Fumble? Because I was thinking yesterday, when there was a Fum, I forgot what game it was, but there was a Fum-a-luce fumble. Because I was thinking yesterday, when there was a fumble, I forgot what game it was,

but there was a fumble. Yes. And the chaos that ensues during a fumble of just, I'm gonna throw my entire body at your knee. You know what I mean? Where it's just like, I am so scared. I know exactly what it is. And I feel like every profession has their fumble moments,

but it's just like, what is it in your profession? Where we all pass. In football. In football. Yeah. I was gonna say, he's still mad at me for that. Daringed.

Daringed. Yeah, the stove top. Right. Like a cat. Oh, the stove top. I guess in our industry, it's a catastrophic mistake live. Right.

And it was just like, I was just thinking like, at a restaurant, when the waiter or waitress completely forgets to put one table's order in and then like a half hour later, the table's hidden. That happened when we went out to dinner. And there's gotta be this frantic moment of panic in the server. We forgot Chris Cody's food. Yes, that's exactly.

Oh, Diamond Dallas page. There you go. That's another example whenever he joins. I just want to find in other industries. What's your fumble moment? So hey tweet at the show tweet at the Levittar show. Whatever you do Your fumble moment at work We all have one smash that subscribe button. I Don't know if it's mispronouncing words though. Is that is that do you guys all agree that's our philosophy? I think it's more

It's where we miss pronounce it word and everyone's like ball exactly everybody jumps on you. I guess you right that's more like when someone miss print you know when there's an offensive lineman that jumps a false start in all seven defense lineman point at the guy that's that's when someone missed them was on the word walk across the line like this guy right here. This guy right here. Well Chris was telling me earlier this morning that that's how we'd like to approach this week where if one of us makes a mistake, we all point it. I also think defenses could plan out the point

and trick officials. I think if we decided, Art, on this play at the six second mark on the play clock, let's all point it to the actual. Everyone point at the tackle. That's the guy, the old man standing on the silence and be like, shit, I missed something. He's just gonna throw his flat But they just do got to every line. He's gonna point at the wrong guy. I mean there is

Yeah, there's one guy just like pointing to the corner Everybody at the tackle like wait Jeremy I have never seen you so excited about something so ridiculous. No, this is innovation This is spectacular because I think we're everyone's always in football looking for the little edge, the one play that can make the difference. You guys were just talking about the play where the, the cane's coach ran out into the middle of the field and ultimately cost them the game. So one penalty, right?

One penalty can change the game. If you're on, save it for late in the game. You're in the corner. You're in the corner. Like eight minutes left. You're up by seven on, on the defensive side. All going to point at seven, seven, seven. Third're in the pool, man. Like eight minutes left, you're up by seven on the defensive side. All going to point at seven, seven, seven, three. It's third and third.

Throw a point. Seven seconds left on the play clock. Everybody pointed the center. Eight. Just everybody pointed the center. Nine, nine, eight, seven. Right there. Right there.

Right there. Right there. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, bring this into their repertoire. I hope they're listening this morning. They don't have to The defense might they're overwhelmed I know it's fun to watch like I'm a jet fan. I'm sitting here telling you I want to watch the dolphins every Sunday Because the offense is so beautiful to watch They're one of the only offense is so beautiful to watch. They're one of the only tasks that you can actually want to watch the whole game of just them.

Because I can't find myself watching full football games of one team at this point. Like I get so bored. And so at this point, I can watch chiefs. Yeah, but that it's kind of, it's kind of worn off at this point. Like I get it. All right, Patrick Mahomes is amazing.

So this is like the new thing where I do want to watch every single play of the dolphins. And it's the first time in my life that I've ever wanted to do that with my own team. Like that part is so fun. This would be a team that you'd be wanting to tune in and watch no matter who they were. It were just really lucky that we're going through one of those phases down here where we have the most entertaining team in football. And our coach, he's just like, I just want to like, he's like, he's the fun guy at the press conference and he's the genius. Like usually those aren't the

same guy. Right. Usually it's like, you're wacky press conference guy or you're genius guy. And he gets good. And he can, I'm confused. He wears cool clothes. That's classes. Is he cool? Well, he's cool with five and one. He's got pieces of being cool. Five and one team. Great offense. The way he just walks around his team. You know that thing the coaches do when they're all stretching where you just walk around. It's like, man, give him slap. Would you find that cool at one and five? No.

The gimmicks and the antics look much cooler at five and one than they do at five and five. Yeah. He stopped the press conference the other day just to like point out someone's shoes. He's like, oh, whoa, hey, everyone stop. Those are nice shoes there. I'm just like, how good does that reporter, everyone stop. Those are nice shoes there. I'm just like, how good do that reporter feel? I know.

I don't know. Who was it? Let's get him on. I should find out. Was it your dad? You brought it up. Definitely not. I just saw his point of view.

I didn't see who the reporter was. By the way, I mentioned earlier that Billy's a jury duty. Would you guys want, if you got for bet, you committed a crime, and you are a trial. Would you want Billy on that jury? So guilty. I'm so guilty. I am glad for his going straight to jail. He'd be like, can I ask a question,

and then it would just be not about the trial. He'd be like, once last time you went to Denny's. It would be like 12 angry men, and everybody's angry at Billy. The jury deliberations would be forever. Rueb at all. And like, and you like Billy? God, please stop.

He'd be like guilty. Jury on my peers. I'm seeing there at the Tony. He would pay to be on your jury. Here's the thing they would try out all the juries, right? I'm like, okay, all right. I got a good shot here, good shot here. And then it Billy locks in as the last jury.

I'm like, oh my God. He's like, how long is this gonna last? I want to help here, but I got all the other jurors have Tony innocent and Billy's like, I'll stay in here until the end of time It's so what else tells me he's guilty then they call me guilty and then Billy kind of looks to me and Oiled again as they're walking you off to prison. He's like, I got you Last one classic Billy evil cat Don't live a tart all the cruise ships go out of like 5 p.m. And like it's like a parade of cruise ships And they're all blowing the horns like and there's all these people outside because it's like

It sounds like an old swap. I thought it was more like... Oh my god! That was a good one! That was a good one! Let me do it again! Let me do it again! Limited fake cruise ship horn. Stugats! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I'm waving. Yes! Yes! This is the Don Limita Show with this two cats.

Hey Chris, how you doing buddy? Well, thank you for joining us. Of course. We are cool guys. Football is shit of this. God, the football so damn hard. I just wanna football. It's like a really not shocking development.

I don't know how it took this long though. I've realized that Jess and I are basically the same football watching Notre Dame fan. And so she's become an outlet for all of my worst thoughts during every Notre Dame game. Our tech stream is a nightmare. It's so unhinged. It's honestly, it's so necessary because it keeps me from tweeting any of these things.

I wouldn't be able to show my face around the university anymore. Oh, dude, I fired the coaching staff like four times the season over text. And then the next day, like rewatch the highlights and be like, all right, it wasn't that bad. Yeah, that was actually pretty good today. We should've got the cards.

Otherwise, like, we're not that bad. You have fired Marcus Freeman four times this year? Not more, I am wearing my- Theatex. Oh, okay. I'm wearing my high Marcus Barbie sweater today. I am fully on board the Marcus Freeman bandwagon. Always have been, always will be.

I have not fired him a single time over text with the record show. Had they lost a USC, would you be wearing that sweatshirt today? Of course not. This is a we just won sweatshirts, do you guys? This is a tail tuck between my legs. You lost your biggest rival.

Do you have that in your closet? Like sectioned off, we just lost. We just won a part- I have all my Notre Dame stuff. You know, we just won or like there's a huge women's basketball game tonight section. And that's the only time I wear that. Wait time out. Kojo go Joe go Joe slow down.

Kojo, it was weird. Wow. Because I was trying to say Chris. Chris was asking that of Jess and you said yes, you actually have that in your closet. Oh, I mean, I'm sure I'm just like Jess. I have my sectioned off. Here's my pile of Notre Dame stuff that obviously, I'm only gonna wear out in public

if we're winning in good, yeah. Doesn't everyone know? You should. I don't wanna get made fun of on the show for where in my Marcus Freeman shirt after we lost with 10 men on the field in Ohio State. I'm saving this for when we beat USC,

the number one offense in the country at home by a crap ton of points to God. That's what the sweatshirts for. I don't have a jets wind side of my closet. It just it doesn't exist. Well, they're yeah, that's right. Yeah, that sounds like you guys problem. It is good job. Uh, go, Joe, I want you to hear Chris's take on the Kelsey's because he is tired of all things Kelsey. And I want to get your thoughts on this. He's tired of the kids. I mean, he's tired of everyone. You're painting this too broad.

I'm not saying everyone is kind of tired of Travis Kelsey right now. I feel like Jason Kelsey is getting this condescending take from all these people of he's the one I like. I don't like Travis. I'm gonna be the trendy one in like Jason. And I like Jason too.

This is not a knock on Jason. This is a knock on just society wanting to condescend towards, don't condescend Jason Kelsey. I don't believe all of you people. What people have fallen in love with Jason Kelsey. I just feel like people are going too far with that and it's becoming condescending. This is the most deeply online approach to this situation because Chris is responding to the people on the internet that he believes are disingenuous. Jason Kelsey

fans. Do I have that right? You believe that's right. It's like the bachelor. They're here for the wrong reasons with Jason. Yes. Exactly. It's just like I, I don't know what's going on with Taylor and Travis. So I can't like that. What can I do? His brother. It's just like I don't know what's going on with Taylor and Travis. So I can't like that. What can I do? His brother, he's got a beard. I like him. He's the one I like. It's just I just, and then the kids, Husky and Trustworthy, I mean, he does have that going on. And they play this note on their podcast of him bringing his kids over and Uncle Travie. It's just so gosh darn endearing. And I love them. But it's like, they're tricking me. It's like, this is my move.

I do this on the Greg Cody show. I bring my kid over and he talks, she talks to the grandpa. It's like, you're stealing my move. Check out the Greg Cody show. Oh, so you're jealous of Ben and Fringeman here. It's not anything to do with that. You just believe they're stealing material from you. I pander.

I pander and I'm sick of Donna. Wow. Wow. I was, see, I was getting ready. I thought the buildup was you were about to take a flame through to the kids. No, go Joe. Oh, well, I can see AJ Brown's pink shoes from here.

I don't need a kid to tell me that, but no, the real enemy for you is Donna. Okay, interesting. Go Joe, if we just laid out and let him keep going, he would have taken out the kids. I mean, he was going there. That's where he was. Chris, you were going to take out the kids.

It's really the people. It's the condescending. I feel like they're lying. I don't feel like you like Jason Kelsey as much as you say. He has very welcoming eyebrows. He does. He's relatable. You want to do like a you like Jason Kelsey

name five of his albums thing. Right. Oh, Jason Kelsey hipster. I like this as a character for you, Chris. It's like a cont a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a was if you don't know, yeah, you know, it's Tony because you're at diehard and you've been in this game. I'm talking to the people. I'm talking about the pizza. I'm talking about the Chris, but I come lately. I would say though that was in the Kelsey documentary.

So you're going to have to find a different point there because they went back to the mummers outfit in that documentary. They showed the speech. So I do feel like a lot of the new fans and listen, there's also going to be like a lot of the crossover. I know you're out in the Travis and Taylor conversation. You know, everything that's become, but the Swifties have been consuming this content and an alarming rate right now.

They're trying to find any Travis stuff they can get. So there's a whole new army of people that are new Jason Kelsey fans who are going to know that speech from the Super Bowl by heart now and probably have I guarantee there's going to be at least when the European leg of Taylor Swift's tour starts, there's going to be at least when the European leg of Taylor Swift's tour starts, there's going to be at least in any given crowd five people dressed as Jason Kelsey, not even Travis Kelsey. There's going to be people dressed as Jason Kelsey at the Eagle Super Bowl parade at a Taylor Swift concert in like Munich, Germany. Lots of Jason come late, Lise. Why are you so unhinged today? I don't know. I just it's like I said, you keep

trying to put the river. You're right. I'm sorry. I'm trying to position this like this is me going at the Kelsey's. This is not. This is me going at the people. I'm protecting. I'm protecting you're protecting Jason. You're doing good. But I really do feel like I am. Right. Okay. You're get because who you're yelling at is my wife. I mean my wife is that person. She has no clue what he dressed up as People have been doing this on fandom forever though, right? Like these are the people who are like oh ringo was my favorite beetle like come on. What are we doing? Right your lie. Yeah, like come on. Yeah, you're so trendy. You're so. No one, no one. Thanks, Ringo. Was their favorite beer? No, but I'm saying it's, it's Lenin or McCartney and that's it, right? There's some George Harrison people.

No, there's not. No one likes George Harrison. I don't even know who he is. All right. Well, my sweet Lord. Wow. I'll go, Joe, follow me down this path on college football. You and I have discussed this before, okay?

The regular season, the college football has it down perfectly. With a regular season feels like a playoff, right? At four teams make it to the post season. So you have a game this weekend, like Oregon and Washington. You have a game coming up this weekend, Penn State, Ohio State. Those are de facto playoff games, okay? And you lose the juice when it becomes a 12 team playoff. Right now it's four next year goes to 12 because that Washington organ game as exciting as it was go Joe. It wouldn't matter as much because

both teams are going to get in next year. And so you lose some of the juice with some of these great regular season games. Ohio State Michigan. That game's going to lose some juice once you get to a 12 game playoff because they're both going to get it regardless of who wins the game loses the game. And so I kind of don't like where college football is headed and where we're headed is to a 12 team playoff because I think they have the regular season down perfectly. Honestly, I think we overblow all this stuff in the packaging and the sport with the playoff teams. Like you look at this weekend, Stu got's the biggest difference would have been and look at I'm not going to

just use this selfishly to continue to spread Notre Dame propaganda for me and Jess, but that game itself been mattered a lot this weekend had no playoff implications for Notre Dame fans because they were already out of it. That mattered a lot. You crash landed into that game and their fireworks going off after everybody celebrating like rock stars because that game still mattered. And because it was a quality performance by their team. Yeah, it knocked USC potentially out of playoff content. But even them with one loss, they're still technically in it right now. But that didn't matter. The Washington Oregon game. I was on the call

for that game on radio. And I promised none of the reason anybody had a good time in that stadium or watching was because of the playoff. It's because you knew you had two quality dudes who went out there and lived up to the billing cell. Mike, my question about the Washington Oregon game is, I mean, the question that I think a lot of Oregon fans are probably asking this morning, which is, is Dan landing too aggressive on fourth down. Like it's cost, it cost them last year.

It may be cost them this game. He said after the game, he might he kind of regretted not kicking a field goal before half time. And that was like the one that he kind of wished he had back. But where do you stand on all of this? And is this just basically following in the footsteps of the existential crisis happening in the NFL with analytics right now too? Yeah, it's, it's the perfect opportunity. I think to shift the conversation around that. We spend way too much time focusing on should we go for it or not? And not like, let's talk about the play calls in those spots, designed obvious

rollouts that Washington was clearly ready for both times. I have no problem with a coach being hyper aggressive. I appreciate Dan being willing to criticize himself, but I had a lot less issue with him being aggressive in those spots because he's consistent with it versus what they actually decided to do with the resources they had in those spots, trying to have something better drawn up for that moment. Because if you know you're going to push the bounds, especially once you go forward at the end of the first half like that, you know you're in that mode. The team, all I care about as a player is knowing, all right, I know what to expect from my coach here. I know what we're

going to do when we get into these situations. So I'm not surprised by it. And as long as everybody's on the same page like that, the go decision to me is a lot less important than what you do once you're there. Mike, I think those were two of the four best teams I've seen this year. I don't think both are going to get into the playoff, but I think both should get into the playoff. What do you think? Uh, I think they're both playoff caliber teams and the best part is because of the way most college football conferences are structured now. We got a good chance to have that be the pack-tool championship game again. Yeah. Like, there's a good chance we get to see them play. And we know in the past, if you're

Oregon and you believed, Hey, we looked like the better team for the majority of that game and gave up the goods at the end. If you were right with that loss, human committee usually could say, well, you lost in the regular season, but you erased that loss in the postseason and the conference championship game. And if that was your only loss, then, hey, we can probably consider you one of the best four teams and based on how things shake out, that would give you a pretty good opportunity. But yeah, Oregon shouldn't have dropped very much off that. They looked incredible in that game. Both teams are exactly who we thought they were in that game.

And it's sad we've beaten this drum plenty, but the fact that this is happening in the Pac-12's final year of existence where you have these teams performing this well and drawing this much attention. But yeah, I think not only those are two of the best teams in college football, Stu Gats, but they're probably the only two teams in the pack 12 with a real shot of making it out. We thought going into this season, USC might be a live dog in that, but that defense has been hanging on for dear life. And it's finally affected the offense enough in the last couple of weeks for a loss.

And Utah without camera,izing's really been just unfortunately not enough to compliment with the championship caliber defense in Utah. We can all agree that he brought the big panics energy. He brought the big panics. Penis energy. He was just saying penis, right? Yeah, he was. 100% changed his name for sure. I was kind of awkward.

I didn't like that. In front of Lee Corsair. That is the Pat McAfee of full effect right there, folks. That would never have happened two years ago. I'll go, Joe, did panics with the high's been trophy over the weekend? Yeah, I mean put some distance right now. They keep this because the offense isn't going to stop doing that. Like there's nobody else. I think the Utah game might be a little bit of that, but no, they're going to keep shredding like this in front everybody else. a little bit of that, but no, they're going to keep shredding like this in front everybody else. He's got a lot of positive momentum coming off last year, which tends to matter with this award. You've got your best performance in a big game where everybody was watching.

And two got you guys all know this so much of the Heisman, you know, as a give ready to put my do chat on here as a Heisman voter can tell you that having plenty of those opportunities down the stretch in big games to have the quarter court Heisman moments. Yeah, baby. Yeah, baby. Cannot help it. Um, sorry, it's the stew got school forecasting in me, but no, he's got plenty of other problems for it coming up that he's going to have opportunities to cement that.

So yeah, right now, he's the clear front runner. It looks incredible. All right, more gojo next Don Lebert hard. I read his lips and it sounded like he was saying, what, you wanna fight me now, spoke? But I'm telling you, if you look, we can play a game right now, the lips look the same on fight you and failure.

Watch my lips, let me turn off my mic. No, I just look at your drums. I'm like, this is all I need. I'm gonna send one of these things. And I want you guys to tell me if I'm saying fight you or failure, right? Yeah, yeah. Stugats. Why are your ideas always so bad for the podcast?

I'm not an audio. I swear it's gross. You don't have to hear my mind. What? You don't have to hear my mind, right? I'm not an audio. That's what an audio. Here we go.

Do it again. No. Fight you. Fight you. I made me cancel. Oh my god. We got to the bottom of it this is the down libator show with this two gods all right we're back with gojo he's gonna be doing something with levitator

and micrion out in california tomorrow on tomorrow show he's with us today we didn't have to travel to california to get gojo on. Thankfully, thank you for not making us do that. We're gonna make we want you to sabotage that tomorrow if you could maybe just when they bring you on don't talk. Ooh, silent protest. That would make sense because it feels only right that the only time Dan would associate with me is when he's forced to by being in the same city as me. Otherwise, none of this would ever happen. I noticed that too. Tell us how you really feel, Joe.

You know, I mean, tell Dan, I mean, tell me how Dan really feels. That's become abundantly clear. Totally fair. Would Dan associate with any of us if we didn't live in Miami? No. There's a reason we're here. Yeah. I mean, it's fair point.

He didn't ask any of us. He wants to hang out with Danny. I us. He wants to hang out with Danny. I think he just wants to hang out with Mike. I mean, I went to an Ivy League in the Midwest school. I don't know what more I need to do for him. Go, Joe, were you surprised your defense, your defense was able to do that to USC's offense? Do that.

Yes. Yes. You are defense was good. Right. They have absolutely been the strength of this team, which is run counter to what everyone expected when Sam Hartman comes over and is being hot all over Notre Dame's campus. But the defense has kept them in all of the games this season and been the strength of this team going back to last year. But my God, I did not save your watts. Build a mustat you. That kid went off and doing it

wearing zero. What a legend. This is the college football world. I have always wanted to live in Xavier Watts for Heisman. Get that kid up for the award. One man wrecking crew. Jess, why are you cheering him on? Oh, that I mean,

Xavier Watts had maybe the best defensive performance from any single Notre Dame player in history against Caleb Williams. The Heisman trophy winner coming into South Bend for a rivalry game undefeated season on the line. Dude caught two interceptions, tackles for lost defensive stops, a scoop and score. It was unbelievable.

He was all over the field. And I'm with Mike. Sam Hartman was the flashy name coming into the season, but the defense is so good. They are solid when they have 11 men on the field. And Sam Hartman immortalized himself with Notre Dame fans after the game doing like the opposite of like the upside on you, but for US, it's like the opposite, the downward fight on thing.

I don't know what we're calling it. Fight off something like that. Doing it in front of the fans, it was, nah, chef's kid. I don't like what's happening here. Jess, fight off is great for that. I've never had a term for it. It's my favorite thing to do.

We don't have a horns down in South Bend, but fight off. Doing this is the for that. I've never had a term for it. It's my favorite thing to do. We don't have a horns down in South Bend, but fight off doing this is the coolest feeling I had as a player. We beat Southern cow to go to the title my last year and walking around the Colosseum and just doing this to random USC fans did not look nearly as good as when Sam Hartman did it. Hubba hubba, that was incredible. But look, I love a good lazy river. But I don't like where this river has taken us right now. I don't know what's the money money. That's also get out of the river then. Listen, your mistakes are my fault. Yes. It's just gone to a weird point now where they're just going back and walking backwards. They're just guys trying to walk backwards up the river. So what is it? Two fingers down

is that what they do is that is that the deal? Right? One finger for each loss. I mean, one, right off. That's why noted a fans want the 12 team playoff because you'll be wrecked like 10th, 11th or 12th and you'll get in. That's, that's the reason right? They're going to make it every single year. They're going to make it every year. You know, it won't matter what their record. Right. I hope so. That'd be great. Well, you will make it. No, I mean, they'll be incentivized to what you guys did. Going back to your original point. That would have been a playoff game. Last night, and it's our Saturday night in South Bend, like you're talking about the negative effects of this. I think all those other games still matter because individual rivalries and big games still matter in general. But now you'd have Notre Dame as see with playoff implications

for both sides. If you're in a 12 team playoff this year, that's the whole point of this. I guess that's fair. Definitely expands the amount of games that do matter in terms of playoff expectations. Not that matter to fans because I think if you're a fan, all of the games matter, like winning 10 games versus winning nine games feels different when you're a college football fan, even if you're not making the playoff either time. My only issue with the 12 game playoff, not that anyone asked is that I don't like I did ask? I don't like that. I did ask. What are your issues with it? For four to 12, we didn't test out maybe a six or an eight. Somewhere in between, right?

Because it is a lot game. Maybe a seven. Mike, you played College Football. Like the stretch of games at the end of the season are really hard in November. And then you're tacking on potentially two or three more games to that than you would have already have to play if you're a player.

And you have to play in all the rounds of the playoff. It's just a lot to ask college players who we obviously have talked extensively about the fact that they're not compensated for playing by the universities. Yeah, that part's going to be really interesting because it used to like when we played in the BCS, you had 40 something days in between conference championship weekend and the national title and Alabama and Nick Sabin used to be great at getting everybody healthy for that. Now I'll be interested, especially in those early rounds, the caliber of football we're going to see even from good teams who have been decimated by injury at the end of the season and who are forced

to play a lot of those games and rapid succession at a time of year where their bodies just aren't used to it. Like if you're a veteran college football player, you've never had to play as many games coming up in December or January as you're about to have to to try and win it all. So it's going to change so much of the preparation, even for the teams that have been used to playing a lot of postseason football in the sport so far. Mike, I'm just saying you're, you're point about Notre Dame USC is a good one. That would have been a playoff game for both teams. So I understand that. But Oregon, Washington, they both walk away like, yeah, we both made the playoff.

That's it. Like, but I mean, two gots. They're still both in it right now. I guess there's them is eliminated coming off of this weekend. And that game was still awesome because the game itself was still awesome. Like these games as long as they're still close and chaotic and have all the stuff around them that we're used to in college football. I really don't think the playoff time matters as much

to the people who are all going to be maybe for the casual fan if you're trying to get more national eyeballs in the way this sport clearly is angling for with all their changes, but for everybody else now we were still going to be here beating our chest. It's also very possible. I don't think it's likely, but it's possible a pack 12 makes the playoff that isn't Oregon or Washington just based off of the way that these schedules are. Like both of these teams have really tough games down the stretch. Like Oregon State is still a one last team in the pack 12. That could upset Oregon season again this year, which they did last year, and would not surprise me either.

Like it's the pect 12 supremacy has not been overstated this season. It's the very, very deep conference. Uh, good. Joe, how do you feel about Lucy leaving the Colorado game? 29, nothing at halftime. She left. She missed a second half. You know what? It's a tough scene, but at the same time, like, we've all worked in this job long enough, especially at this point in the season midway through. It's really nice when you can get a head start on beating the stadium traffic or getting out of a scenario like that.

Like, I understand the thought process completely. It ends up being a bad look. It's very reminiscent of the Miami playoff game for hoops down there that you guys had. But I understand exactly where she was coming from, beaten traffic some mother. Yes. Listen, occasionally it's going to bite you, but you know what, beating traffic is always a good idea. It is.

You're right. Especially in these college football towns, they're always like weird backroads around the stadium. It's impossible to get in or out of these places. They've not worked on the infrastructure like NFL stadiums had, get out of a college stadiums hard unless you're the national broadcast crew that's got the getaway car after the game. So I get it Lucy. He's going to bring that big, big, big synergy.

Yeah, you just said penis. Like I don't think he even tried. There's an S there. Let me hear it again. He's going to bring that big, big, big, big synergy. Yeah, it's penis. There's a bit of an X at the end. A big, there's a little touch. Bring that big, big, big,'s penis. There's a bit of an X at the end. Oh, There's a little touch

That's a penis. Yeah, I Know penises. I mean let me hear it again. He's gonna bring that big There may not be an X but there is an XXX Scatter here Christ on buddy. Come on, right in the sweater. Come on. Come on. Big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, I think they're all pretty vulnerable. If you made me bet one, it would probably be Florida state at this point. But man, Ted Walker coming back and looking the way he did kind of changes the math for North Carolina.

They didn't really have one dominant receiver on this year's squad. And Drake, I think the interesting byproduct of this weekend and in general, some of the recent the recent Caleb Williams and USC offensive struggle is going to be what it does to the number one quarterback conversation going into next year. I already thought come draft season. It was going to be more Drake May as a real part of that conversation that it had been

let on to so far. Once we started studying guys that with these guys with the purpose of figuring out who's going to be the best NFL player. But I think some of this might expedite that conversation. And once we get to mid November, if they keep this up, I'd imagine a Drake May as the

actual number one overall is probably going to become a more prominent take. Uh, go, Joe, you buying Penn State. They have Ohio State this weekend to big game. Obviously, it's a playoff game. It's a defective playoff game. Are you buying Penn State? Oh, by yourself. Yeah. Oh, definitely buying Penn State. I mean, we knew freak athletes all over the defense. Penn State's problem. and really both of these teams is less like, I think both of these teams could beat the other. We saw Penn State Ohio State last year was a classic that went into the fourth quarter. JT two Amalo, their DN for Ohio State had like a career defining game against them. For both of these teams, it's, are you built well enough to beat Michigan

yet? Because Michigan runs the big 10 right now. And so I'm buying Penn State to beat Ohio State. They're built to beat them athletically. That was kind of how they structured the team. But I don't know if they've got enough mass to do it against Michigan. And that's the thing I really worry about for both these sides. By or sell, people don't say buy via text enough. Ooh. I'll say sell. I think the whole point of text conversations is the fact that it never has to have a defined starter end. I like a TTYL.

You like closure? I like a TTYL at the end of a conversation. Why would you say buy in a text? No, I'm just like, hey, just TTYL, talk to you later. All right, so you can do that. You can do that. That's what I mean. That's just a little, just a little see ya.

Goodbye. You're an AIM child though, Chris. That's why you're used to a world where we had those signs. You're an AIM child though, Chris. That's why you're used to a world where we had those signs. I love an away message. Showering back and forth. Does a good night count as a bye to you? A good night, yeah.

It's closure, good night. Gojo, buy yourself having a conversation with somebody in different forms, talking about different things. So if you mean you're talking on text, but I also send you something on Instagram that's totally different. I send you something on Snapchat. That's totally different.

Buy or sell that. Oh, big time buyer on that. I do that all the time here because you can be one a different person, but you're different content in each of those spots. I'm not sharing the same memes via text that I am going to on Instagram or even on TikTok at this point. So no big buyer on that one. Each serves its own purpose.

Buy or sell this segment being over. Uh, bye. Oh, big buyer on that one. He serves its own purpose. Buy yourself this segment being over. Uh, buy. Oh, buy. Buy me. Okay. I'll just pick up a phone. Wait, but buy yourself this group versus the rest of the game. You're going to talk to you.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, big big buy on this. Big buy on that. Yeah. Yeah. Savitage them. Just don't speak, go, Joe. Yeah.

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