The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Boxing Is The Worst, Dude

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Nick Wright is bothering Dan about Buffalo Bills fans celebrating like they won the Super Bowl after beating the Kansas City Chiefs and Dan says he doesn't know anybody else like him in sports media that always wants to be heard. The gang gets deeper into the NFL weekend including glitching that Dan experienced with his RedZone that nobody else seems to have experienced. The Detroit Lions are just going to embarrass every team in the league, huh? How many chinstraps were needed for the game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Baltimore Ravens? After some football talk, the crew discusses the "cataclysmic" fight between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson that took place over the weekend. Where does Jake Paul go from here? What would happen if Greg Cote and Chris fought? What was the last Canelo fight you watched? And most importantly, why was Mike Tyson's ass on Netflix? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?

I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. I don't know how many people like this, you guys have met in your life in this business, a personality type that is particular, that no matter where it is that they are, on the text string, on the phone, on their show, they're doing show.

They're always on and they want their opinions heard everywhere. Nick Wright has texted me because he wants everyone to hear this opinion of his. How many people like this have you met in this industry? Sid Rosenberg was somebody like that, It may still be someone like that. Just need their opinions heard everywhere. Nick Wright says, enjoy the semi-annual.

Actually, this quarterback is better than Patrick Mahomes' media day. Typically, Lamar's is in November and Josh's is in October, but it flipped this year. Adds exciting intrigue before he beats them both in January. Mm. What's it up to? No idea.

Do you know many media types like this? Too many. Most. Yeah, I mean, I think the exception is what's enjoyable, and I try to be the exception. I'm not giving sports opinions. I'm not texting people in the middle of a Monday night football game. I'm just not. Good for me.

Well, you showed everybody. I did. Yes, you've, I don't know what. Okay, so you're not texting during games. You're busy writing emails and saying their invoices. Right. That's business. He's just like awkwardly pacing the house.

That's what he does when he watches football games. I'm taking care of business. I came in today and this is what it is that Solomon Wilcox had to say, that's COTS. He's still at it, huh? He's still at it. Solly? I told you, it's coffee with a side of football

in the morning. He said yesterday, listen to me, this is important, because I don't think you guys know it. You knew it when you were watching, possibly. It came off of the screen on yet but jessica will cut said that ravens steelers to chinstrap game or well

not one but two who chinstrap game now that one by soz a flowers was hit in the mouthpiece that he wears outside of his mouth i think the eat this in like he was wearing two of them outside of his mouth. I think, it seemed like he was wearing two of them outside of his mouth. He got hit by a laser beam by Lamar Jackson that he dropped on third down. That hit him in the face.

Yeah, but it was a two-chin strap game. That game was more violent than the other football games. Did you see the interception that Peyton Wilson had, the linebacker? That play was insane. Not really sure it was an interception, but still impressive had, the linebacker. That play was insane. Not really sure it was an interception, but still impressive. It was like a pure takeaway.

How bad was that throw by Russell Wilson, by the way? The interception. The interception in the end zone. Unlimited. Darnell Washington needs to jump or stick an arm up there, because he was like sort of in the area and then was like, ah, it's over my head. Well, but this happens in that sport so often where the job is just throw it over there

and AJ Brown will out AJ Brown whoever's over there. Like they're not actually open, they're just in front of somebody. And when Russell Wilson threw that ball, his receiver was in front of him and then he wasn't anymore. But one of the things that's happening in that sport more and more is everyone's open. Even when they're not, everyone's open because if they're that athletic and they turn around and you're throwing to just a spot before anyone, you're just saying, I see one-on-one coverage over there and my wide receiver is more athletic than your cornerback. So I'm just gonna see if I throw it in the

vicinity of one of his shoulders. Russell Wilson has thrown so many 50-50 balls in the last three games. It is a skill though. Ball winning is a skill and it's not always athleticism even though Amari Cooper is super athletic especially compared to the normal person at this part of his career at this age. He's not really gonna out athletic guys

but he's like Anquan Bolden. Anquan Bolden hung around for several years after you would think that he wouldn't and he wasn't burning past people. He wasn't beating people off of routes it was just throw up that ball it's not a 50-50 with me it's a 75-25. That's all Deandre Hopkins is giving you at this point correct? Correct that's been the case for a couple years with him. And the one-arm catch if you can do that. I hate I'd be curious what the analytics are on the fade pass to the corner of the end

zone I personally hate that play. It seems like there's so many ways for it not to be complete. It must be successful. Wait a minute. No, historically, analytics people hate the end zone fade. I can't stand it. Good. See, I didn't know that.

But there are a couple of guys, like you throw an end zone fade to DK Metcalf, the math changes a little bit. But the field is working against you. You're throwing literally to a little corner. It's a terrible play, in my opinion. I understand why you don't like it, why other people don't like it, and why analytics don't like it. But man, in goal line situations, when the choice a quarterback and a coach can make

is it's one-on-one over there and I'm gonna trust my guy to be bigger stronger and faster than your guy because we pay the wide receivers better than we pay the cornerbacks and A disaster is not gonna happen. I'm not I'm unlikely to get an interception in that spot I'm gonna take one shot that feels like better than 50-50 to me because I've got my athlete being more of an athlete than your athlete. Like I feel like that math is being done all over the field in hunting mismatches. No one has more data than these head coaches.

I'm sure there's a way to quantify the success rate if I throw a one-on-one to Steve Smith, but that to my original point of calling players, I'll be playing the probabilities that my guy, my DK Metcalf, my Steve Smith, my Cooper Cup is going to be better than your guy trying to stop him in this moment. You know why Russell Wilson

threw that interception in the red zone? Why? Because he could hear everyone today saying, the Steelers won that game without scoring a touchdown, and he was desperate to not get three out of that drive. Well, they didn't, because he turned it over. But I could hear the desperation coming out of him that we need to score a touchdown in this game Or else people like Mike sure are gonna be online complaining about this is a real football

You can't get 18 points the hard way. It doesn't count. Guess what? It counts Tomlin is to know in games in which his team hasn't scored a touchdown this year He's got six field goals in that game. There are couple of that that we've talked a lot What we haven't talked about is like oh so nobody gets to score 52 in a game but Detroit has done it twice now this season yeah it's not like all the other things Detroit's not like all of the other things we can sit here and argue about whether Casey was real and all the one score games you can believe what you want about the Steelers and the Vikings. You're welcome to believe whatever you want about the Ravens as well. But that

team doesn't look like all the rest of the teams. They look better. Yes. Yeah. Yes. They look overwhelming. I mean and and you can look that way against Mac Jones and against Jacksonville. That team is fundamentally broken. Their coach, I'm assuming. That's the way you beat that team. If you're a great team Dan, a team that's trying to win a Super Bowl, that's the way you beat Jacksonville. I don't think I'd seen a 14 point spread this season. Jacksonville is terrible with Mack Jones. They've gone under. They're terrible with Trevor Lawrence. Yeah

but they're not, they're not, they're, look man, 52 to 6 isn't happening very much in that league, right? That was the highest point spread by a half a point and part of it is the other team not having their starting quarterback Most of it is Detroit's offense They are awesome awesome And I don't know if the betting odds say it right now as the as the most probable matchup But I am so looking forward to Lions and Bills in the Super Bowl. One team never won a Super Bowl, once lost four in a row. The other franchise hasn't won an NFL title since 1957. That's gonna be an ideal Super Bowl match.

If we get to it. Yeah. Right, right. Big if. But is there a better likely matchup right now than that? I don't think so. I would, I'm gonna look it up, but I think probably the worst odds you would get on a Super Bowl matchup would be Lions Chiefs, even with last night's result. I'd be curious. Look that up. I think that what has, they'll be on it. They will. You don't have to tell them.

That's friendly advice. I'm just finding them. I'm curious. I don't know how this went over with everyone in the crew. I don't know if you guys were having glitching problems with your red zone yesterday because a lot of people were making the glitching hour jokes. You don't want your witching hour distorted by buffering or by seizing. The things that I have found interesting about the revolution, Stugatz, of how it is that customers consume sports content.

The streamers getting in the game for sports and live sports changes everything, and I am legitimately surprised that there is not more glitchiness in the transition, because I didn't think that Amazon would just be able to up and get a football game up with all of those cameras and everything you need to happen so that nobody notices that you're doing it for the first time like there's gotta be some tripping around some stumbling around i thought of it when at a vendor holyfield's uh... earpiece went out on live television their netflix is doing four and a half

hours of programming just trying to keep the audience until the midnight fight. They get a record 60 million people. Netflix never gives out the numbers like this, whether you believe it or not. I don't know if they're blaming that for the glitchiness or whatnot, but at four and a half hours of live coverage, a lot of things can go wrong.

And I'm surprised that these things don't have a lot more mistakes because we're in the middle of the transition. And these are hundreds of millions of dollars that it costs to put on some of these productions. Like, they're basically staging these giant events on live television that feel like we're debuting a movie tonight because we're changing the way all of you watch this stuff.

Like, it's not about going to a theater for a movie now you can stay home on friday night and netflix watch your friday night for the circus tent for the nonsense for just something that was unfathomably stupid so that boxing could show it's asked mike tyson could show it's at and all of us the customer can again show our ass on boxing always steal our money with stupidity and then part of the fun is spending two days complaining about it afterward. Because damn it, it wasn't what I thought I was buying. I mean that's boxing cards, but you would have thought maybe since this is in Dallas and not in Vegas We'd still do Eastern Standard on here right great women's fight though. Yeah, I felt bad for Tyson anyone else

I mean, I think everybody else really yes I think everyone has the same feel you want to tell you in the way I feel like old people need to just take the L here You said for months leading up that you guys thought he had a chance And it was pretty clear pretty quick that he didn't. Chris, we also got some clarity on why this fight was delayed. There was this weird ambiguous health issue that Mike Tyson was dealing with.

And he later revealed that he essentially won that fight because of what he overcame. He had blood transfusion, lost a lot of blood, apparently had a very serious issue, still kind of trying to figure out what happened there. It is the dirtiest sport. trying to figure out what happened there. It is the dirtiest sport. It is the most awful of the things

that we make money off of in sports, and this is the worst permutation of it, which is what's famous, put it in a ring, it doesn't have to be good boxing. Boxing shows its ass here when this thing is the circus event that it was and everyone tuned in in a way they would not for any other fight like this. But I will tell you Chris Cody, early on as I'm watching and Mike Tyson doesn't

throw a single uppercut, Jake Paul is wise to let an old man's legs get old by simply avoiding him early and there he just gets tired because it is an impossible emotional fatigue and drain to go up into that fight to fight again over your fears and everything a lot of legs are giving no matter what your stamina level is because the fear grabs your legs and the fact that Jake Paul knew enough to stay away from him early and the fact that I never saw an uppercut from Mike Tyson never saw one throughout the fight because he wasn't close enough to do it you knew early on that there wasn't gonna be anything in his legs if Jake Paul could just keep him away for a

couple of rounds. Stu got more muscular. Mm-hmm I have lost ten pounds. Have you? Yeah using my Peloton. I've had the Peloton in my house So my daughter she wanted me to get a Peloton I did she used it a couple of times endorsement But once she left to college and the Peloton was just sitting there in my office and it wasn't being used I said, you know what? I got to use this and I have lost 10 to 12 pounds Billy

So I started using Peloton as a bike Obviously, that's like what they're known for but recently I discovered all of the other classes that they have. They have like a series of weightlifting classes, they have programs, which for me the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. If not, I just go and I pick a class at random and I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything. I would like some recommendations on classes

because I keep going to the same class. It's the Grateful Dead class, by the way. You do like a four week core program with Emma Lovewell. I would recommend that one. Anyone can do that. Any level starts out easy and then you work your way up. And then there's like a core program two that you can do after core program one,

if you want to do that. Yeah, if you graduate. Wait a second. You have to graduate course one to get to course two, the harder course? Well, you can start at course two if you want, but I eased my way in. I did course one first.

Then you can do some strength classes with Andy. Love a strength class with Andy. He really puts me through it. I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess and I'm kind of disgusting and I love it. You know the thing about Peloton, Stugats? What? Peloton coaches, they walk the walk.

Really? Yeah. Do they talk the talk? They have sub three hour marathon runner coaches. They have military trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches and so many other well-rounded coaches on their team. All this experience really shows in their classes.

You're never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately. You're my teacher. Am I? Yeah. You know, no, I'm not. Well, I just go with the program so then I don't have to think

because I don't know. I don't actually know what I'm doing. Anyways, what's the like Mr. Olympia, right? Is that what it's called? Yes. The one where you go and you're like lifting like giant boulders. Yeah Hey, we should talk to Magnus again. That's mr. Olympia. Yeah. Yes. What did I say Olympus? Did I? I don't know Anyways, find your push find your power with peloton at one peloton.com Don LeBretard

Someone told you you couldn't have a Corvette. Stugats. grown-ass man who's not who's not filthy rich. I can't afford a Lamborghini. Well, I probably can but This is the done Lebatard show with a stooge ads I'm not gonna lie. I didn't watch any of this. I was watching college football Friday night and also it was like way too late, but I do need to just ask why did we see Mike Tyson's ass? Yeah, they did. Why did that happen? I think it was a it is a locker room interview setting and I don't think that they were prepared

for him turning around and wearing. Oh really? I thought that was totally manufactured. interview setting and I don't think that they were prepared for him turning around and wearing Really? I thought that was totally manufactured. No, it was his son doing the pre in locker room interview They have a nice moment They exchange a kiss on the cheek and like just walks away from the interview and we just see his ass Yeah But the camera the camera lingered and I think even the camera kind of focused focused on it a little bit the camera goes down From my record. I I watched it, I'm like, this is purely manufactured to get people talking about it

on the internet. Look, you see the camera direction, the camera was anticipating that happening. But then it zoomed in to get the ass out of the shot. If you're a cameraman, you just gotta do your job there. If he's gonna turn around and show you that, you gotta pan out a little. I thought it was 100% manufactured.

They were trying to make a moment and do exactly what it did. For those people that weren't watching, have something on the internet that reminds you this event's happening. I have a feeling if Christopher, under any circumstances, interviewing me and I'm you know bottomless, he's gonna say, dad put on some pants. Right. You know like is it that inconvenient to put on some pants? You're going to ask Mike Tyson in that spot to put on some pants? Hey, you know, the son, hey dad, please. Just, you know, a pair of pants. But I didn't feel cheated.

Look, it was a totally lopsided fight. They had to have a split decision to create any impetus for a rematch, and it was not even close to a split decision. Rematch? It's not going to be a rematch. Like I just said, if you were listening, a split decision and there would have been impetus for a rematch when you have a unanimous decision it there's there's nothing it just dies but the reason I didn't feel cheated is that anybody who had Netflix was watching it for free

it's not like I paid 70 bucks for paper okay you might not have felt cheated I'm thinking that most people felt cheated by that. I don't think the event ends up meeting the expectations of whatever it is people thought they were gonna get for four and a half hours of live programming. It's very difficult, but the test, what they pulled off successfully is, because this part's just crazy to me, it really is. We're headed toward a duopoly in Hollywood.

Like it just sort of seems like you've got Amazon and Netflix fighting to become whatever the future of television is with all of the money in the world to throw at the investment. How do I get 60 million people around their television the way that it only happened when we had three networks and it was like the season finale of MASH or Cheers or Friends or whatever it is that...

Or Dallas. Well, it wouldn't be Friends because that was after three networks. But there used to be a time, look up for me please, what gets a number of 60 million? You may not believe the number from Netflix. You're welcome to question all of the ratings in the modern age. I don't know what's accurate anymore either but netflix is saying that this is an unprecedented record-breaking success they're just

now getting into live sports they're just now beginning to change what this entire model is and if they can throw up some freak fest that is just internet popular that cuts across forty years of but my wife asked me she wanted to watch this she never does this with anything in sports nothing at all she just wanted to see what the hell was going on with the spectacle why everybody was talking about this and if the old man could do anything in this circumstance could he at that there are so many old people

because chris is right he's making fun of the mythology of Tyson that we are forever talking about, but even Jake Paul wasn't gonna get close to that for the first round, like he wasn't gonna go in there and take the risk of one punch from this man as an uppercut, even at 58 would be enough to slay him. He knew this, he's smart, he continues to keep his business alive. But Netflix had a buffering problem because of the number of people? That's a good problem to have when you're just starting in this part of the

business. I was at a place where the signal held steady the entire time but it was overwhelming on social media and in my group chats. Everybody was having issues with the buffering for this live event so I'm not really sure why some people had consistent streams and some others didn't. This is something that's plagued Netflix though with their live events, because there's a Love is Blind finale two years ago that they just couldn't get on the air.

It was supposed to be a live reunion and it was delayed hours and hours because they just couldn't get it live. So I don't want a Monday morning quarter baddie, but I was thinking it's probably gonna be an issue here if there's gonna be this many people watching it They couldn't get love is blind on live and Billy, you know, it's happening on Christmas. What? Steelers She's a halftime performer for that they were able to fix it in their defense

They did like all of a sudden the Paul fight was about to start and it was fixed. Yeah, it was good. They have unlimited resources. They're gonna figure this out. They're gonna get more people familiar with live sports broadcasts. And I mean, the stakes go up for them because they've been doing these things sporadically, live activations.

Beginning in January, they got Monday Night Raw live every week on their platform. They're gonna have to get good at it quick. I also don't really get giving them a pass of like this is their first try, they don't know how to do it. Like they just buy everybody else that's done it for other networks before, right?

Like it's not like I'm trying to put on a boxing match and figuring it out live. Yeah, I think they're outsourcing that. Yeah, like they have people doing it that do this professionally. I don't think they do have unlimited resources. They're a company that's not gonna just spend a, you know, unneeded amount of money on something.

Yeah, I meant it like comparably, but I think that they were doing a lot of unconventional things, be it the manufactured moment with Mike Tyson's ass, which I think was 100% intentional. So you think that was 100% just, they were like, let's plan a bit with his ass. I don't agree with him on that. know the the worst part about it for me

So like I tuned in for like not even two minutes So I tuned in probably around nine and I saw like all the like fake graphics that are there Like oh, how is this giant person floating in the air? Like this is weird, right? So like I tuned into that and then I see they're like tonight we have and it's like all of these fights that come up And I go I don't care about boxing. I'm not gonna watch four hours of this to see one fight I don't care about any of these fights I don't really even care about the main event like just sit around for four hours to watch Mike Tyson's hopefully survive Like this is crazy also like side note

How crazy is it that on a regular basis at the Cowboys Stadium? They put up curtains for things that are not the football game. But poor Dak Prescott is blinded every single week. But for concerts, they put them up, they have them. They just refuse to put them up for the football game and it's impacting their actual team. The last Super Bowl drew 123 million viewers.

For a cartoon freak show boxing match to draw half of that total was astounding but but to answer Dan's question Seinfeld did 76.3 million the final episode of Seinfeld did that cheers the final episode one for the road great name by the way for, did 80.5 million. Dallas, JR, who shot JR, did 83.6 million, and Mash did 106 million. Now think about what we're talking about here when he uses those numbers and the quality of years that go into relationship building with an audience over raising your children for years and watching television letting this into your home the idea that this freakfest this nonsense a total

contrivance I think the whole thing was a contrivance except for the Mike Ryan or the Mike Tyson ass part of it I think the whole rest of it lucked into an ass we looked into an ass the women's fight and which that's where I kind of I'm down with what Jake Paul's trying to do because his promotions really do try to get good fights on the card, and from a boxing card, I was really happy with the fights that were displayed that weren't the main event.

It was just really drawn out, and I know that's usually the deal with these big boxing cards, but maybe it was because I was watching it with my dad, but this felt like it was taking forever. No, dad, I actually think Quincy Jones is properly rated. Let me though explain to you, if I could, the business model of what pay-per-view is. Because Floyd Mayweather is-

Isn't it pay-per-view? Yes. Well, it's in the name. No, but I'm going to explain to you what it is. You're saying it's dragging and I'm saying it doesn't matter. It's there to tease you for six hours to build up into what you're waiting for. It doesn't matter. It's time spent listening. It's time spent watching. They take those shows that he just mentioned is 90 million people for a half hour. This climbs over the course of the night. You're keeping eight times as much time

Occupied over prime time on a Friday night the value of what it is that Netflix just did is Industry changing but we also don't have any numbers in terms of how long people actually stayed watching It's just there was 60 million people tuned in at some point in time for some I'm not saying it's 60 million for the entire time. I'm saying what the business model is that makes it live television and is seismic as it relates to sports and streaming, getting into bed to change everything for all the customers is that if they can keep you around the television

for five hours, it becomes the Super Bowl because that's what you do on Super Bowl Sunday like it It's not a half hour. It's no we've got your day. We've got your night We're you're waiting around to see if we can get to midnight And I'm telling you that everything changes from here if they can pull this stuff off They will do more and more you will see ESPN and Disney have to do more and more like buying TNT's property because they're trying to keep up with what it is that Netflix is doing.

Like Netflix and Amazon are trying to make this a two horse race and they're trying to get everyone else out of the way and this is the way that you do it with live sports. Well, that's a different conversation. I think part of what ESPN is doing is not just buying it. They've been trying to replicate the formula. Their business partners always told them,

why can't you be like that property? But this is also part of a settlement, so I think it's a little bit more convoluted. You lost me though, because that's not what the pay-per-view model is. That's what perhaps streaming model is, and maybe that's what you meant. But pay-per-views, they aren't incentivized

to have time spent watching. I got your money, middle finger to you. Just buy it, you can watch. They don't care. The numbers can. No, but what I'm saying to you is this is the evolution. Floyd Mayweather. Oh, you're right, Dan. It is the evolution. But it's not, it is the evolution of boxing. Boxing's the worst, dude. It's the worst. The business, by any standard,

MMA now approaches it with the way that Dana White has figured out how to make sure that his labor can't make any of all of this money that they're making with this model. But Floyd Mayweather, 50 Cent was always making fun of him because he couldn't read, but he is the best businessman among athletes that there's ever been because he had all of his intellectual property. What Netflix is coming and doing is being like, no Floyd, no more, you don't get it all anymore. We will stand above you and we will buy the Jake Pauls

and we will buy, and Bezos and Netflix will then compete to see who gets to be television. Who gets to be the future of television, as Dwayne Johnson can't bring them to the theater anymore on Christmas because the theaters have collapsed. Dan, I have a question for you. You grew up during the golden era of boxing. Was the appeal always, let's watch this boxing match because we really wanna see one of these guys

get smoked in the face? The heavyweight division was the only one that drew. And the heavyweight division drew because there might be a knockout. That's because there was always a- And Mike Tyson. Because you didn't like the person? That's what I noticed,

a lot of people were just hate watching this thing. That's a lot of boxing, boxing traffic, and a lot of race stuff, boxing traffic, and a lot of Mexicans versus black people, and let's see if we can get both of those cultures to just gather around with identity pride around the television, and yes, Floyd Mayweather made all of that money in his career because half of the people were

watching to see if he'd get hit. It was actually something that was funny because he's the rare non-heavyweight who got people to watch his fights even though he was playing defense all the time and it's because so many people just wanted to see him knocked out. I didn't think Netflix was the big winner of this I thought that Jake Paul was the big winner of this. Like Jake Paul, for whatever your feelings are about him, is like incredible at business. That he's able to just generate $20 million

to give Mike Tyson so he can make $40 million because he decided he wanted to cosplay a boxer. Like he's there and he's, no one knows if he's actually good at boxing, right? Because he- We'll never know. he wins his fights but he's not actually really fighting talented boxers, right? And he started late in his life for boxing. He'd be starting boxing at like, you know,

in your teens if you were gonna be a serious boxer. But he, I heard this driving in this morning and it was Spanish language radio, but like they were talking and it sounded ridiculous but it's not, Jake Paul's the face of boxing right now. He calls himself that, and he's trying to do with his platform good things in introducing. He made a couple of girls stars with that card.

Yeah, you wouldn't have watched Amanda Serrano if it wasn't for being on that card probably. I know this comes with baggage, but I am a fan of what the Jake Paul and Logan Paul media machine has created, and I am a fan of what the Jake Paul and Logan Paul media machine has created. And I don't think it's without merit, say what you will about his actual boxing skill compared to actual boxers.

What he's turned himself into is someone that does deserve some respect. Even if he's going in there against other YouTubers or bad boxers, he's turned himself into someone who is at least, at the very least reputable. And I was the first thought that was going through my mind as the bell was about to ring. This guy was a YouTuber. This guy was Disney channel adjacent. He was 17 years old, just, just goofing around making videos. And then here he is in a boxing ring, staring across the ring from Mike Tyson, the most dangerous man in the world, Here he is in a boxing ring, staring across the ring from Mike Tyson,

the most dangerous man in the world, the most feared man in the world at one point, about to engage in combat with a guy. It's just a crazy run. What is this guy's life? He's also smart enough to know that the gimmick was gone until Mike Tyson entered the picture and that he needed someone like Mike Tyson.

So Mike Tyson would not have gotten a $20 million payday without Jake Paul. Jake Paul would not have gotten a 40 million dollar payday without Mike Tyson. They needed each other for this and he was smart enough to know I need a giant name for this next stunt because it was kind of losing some of its momentum. You weren't really following Jake. He even had a fight when when they called off the the initial fighter, delayed it. He's had a fight in between that and this one no one saw that one no one cared they just wanted to see Mike Tyson fight against him they wanted to

see Mike Tyson beat the crap out of him and we kind of knew that wasn't gonna happen but that's why you were watching. I thought it was an absolutely brilliant matchup you had ever you had black versus white you had young versus old you had all the animus against the self promoter uh... jake paul the youtuber turned self-made boxer you had mike tyson who for most of his career was the perfect villain all of a sudden he's the lovable grandpa that everybody's rooting for i thought that i had and convicted rapist okay okay we can we can say that but I think we should probably say that he said it to have him be the likeable lovable one in

this one is doing some climbing it's doing some work I think for a lot of people were rooting for Mike Tyson I'm not even disagreeing with you I'm just saying that look boxing's the worst yes boxing is the worst this is that look Mike can respect the brain both charge He can he can respect the business Danny merchants coming out. I'm not playing both shied I'm telling you you're out here because Jake Paul won that fiasco at business getting respect when what's that on that guy's resume? Boxing's the worst. He deserves to be the face of boxing and another element in boxing that's in play I saw this on a on an episode of rich and shameless the promoter richie parker realized so instantaneously that what boxing needs

is a big white dude that he got mark gastin oh uh... man and it was all a crock an enormous crock and at one point allegedly he tried to poison an opposing boxer because gastin was so terrible at actually boxing. Do not sell me on the merits of Jake Paul as a boxer. It's the desperation of an American that wants a white guy who's violent who can beat people up and this guy will do as he beats up a 58 year-old.

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Shred'em! This is the Dan Lebatard for 45. Stugats. Shred them! This is the Dunn-Levatar Show with the Stugats. First of all, I do have respect for what Jake Paul has created. I was telling Greg this last week we were rooting for Tyson to knock him out, right? But my daughter was rooting didn't know

who Mike Tyson was was rooting for Jake Paul, right to knock out Mike Tyson wanted Jake Paul to win wants to see more Jake Paul. So the younger demographic really likes this guy or at least is entertained by what it is that Jake Paul is doing. This has to break Dan's soul because Dan truly cares

about the sport of boxing, the art of boxing, the history of boxing. He loves this sport, and this sport has turned into a gimmick. A gimmick is its greatest card, its greatest strength, and that has to drive Pyrrhus crazy. Well, yes and no, right? Because where does the spectacle go from here? Because like when he started this whole thing,

it was basically like, I can get all of the streamers to tune in, and it will be like a streaming All-Star game, right? Like, I'll have everybody come in. I'll have all of the, you know, influencers or whatever at this. And then he realized I can make this mainstream by getting someone like a Mike Tyson. But what's the next name?

Like who does he fight that can outdo Tyson? He wants Canelo. He's calling out Canelo. He also called out, just saying that's who he's calling out. He also called out Conor McGregor. In an MMA fight. In an MMA where he is like two and a half times bigger than Conor McGregor.

But I don't think that that will necessarily outdo, Tyson might have been it. this was a great spectacle, but I feel like, cause he would actually get beaten that one. People, I'm not Dan, I know it's a sham. Canelo would crush him. Canelo and Conor would be fair. People would watch that.

But Canelo doesn't have the same cultural relevance in this country as Mike Tyson does. Conor McGregor. Internationally it might be. There is no bigger fight that he can make than Jake Paul, Conor McGregor. I can't believe, okay. I'm still waiting on Conor McGregor

versus Floyd Mayweather too. I'd still watch that. That was good. I can't believe that this is where we are on the next step in this sport. I will say that it is several shades beyond infuriating to see you guys set up a Jake Paul Canelo match that makes me want to fight all of you.

Why are you getting so offended by that? We should do that. That's what the next fight should be, Dan versus every single one of us. We all like fights. Stop it with your high horse. If I told you, Dan. Just, Canelo Alvarez would destroy this human being.

It's so droid. Don't you wanna to see that? That's what everyone wanted to see on Saturday. Problem is we like fights and spectacles. Dan likes the sweet science. The sweet science. It's not even the sweet science. It's that you offend me with your ignorance,

putting Jake Paul in a ring with Canelo Alvarez. That's where it all ends. All of it ends there. There will be no better, bigger fight for him than to fight one of the best pound for pound fighters in the history of boxing and promptly lose in a way that shows everybody, oh my God, this guy doesn't know what he's doing.

But it's human to wanna watch people fight, especially famous people. Dan, if I told you, hey, out in the parking garage, Danny Bonaduce is fighting Chris Cellios, you're gonna wanna see that. Oh, Cellios would win that though, right? I've seen Bonaduce throw down. Really? I think the sad part is Dan is Canelo should jump at that fight if it? I've seen Bonaducchi throw down. Really?

I think the sad part is Dan is Canelo should jump at that fight if it's offered to him. He needs that fight. That's the way Jake does it. Canelo needs Jake Hall at this point. Canelo needs the fight? When's the last Canelo fight you watched? You're right. I haven't watched the Canelo fight. And I wouldn't watch this fight though.

Canelo is a pay per view beast. You guys underestimate how much of Mexico watches every time he fights. Jake says it when they ask him. He needs me. If he wants a payday, he knows where I'm at. Wow. Christopher and I on my podcast out today. The Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody. That's correct. We actually just- It's not correct. It's with. Fine. It's with. Wait, you knew the whole time? You're right. We discussed fighting each other, like Christopher and I in the ring, because our age difference is somewhat

similar to the age difference between Tyson and Jake Paul. Would I have been a bigger favorite than Jake Paul? Well, here's the thing. That's what we were debating. Not to get personal, Christopher's got to drop about 25 pounds to get down to my weight class. I think my, I don't know how you measure our reach. You've got bad arms. Aren't you having a bad arm week?

Well, I'm having a bad arm day and I would fight him with a long sleeve shirt. But I do think that my reach is as long as his. Okay, so if he drops 25 pounds, you know, I got that old man strength. You know, he- Chris Cody would be a bigger favorite against you than Jake Paul was against my I think Greg would mop the floor with his son thank you I really do you know because you think okay in theory it's a good idea I'm gonna fight my dad until you get in the ring with your dad and you don't want to punch your dad well my dad my dad actually was is suspiciously strong for his age doesn't have very much stamina but whenever I jostle my father physically. I'm always surprised how much

Rage I just like doing It's I saw him do it with his grandfather and so of course I do it too Oh, and this is a real thing Greg versus Chris really does put this in perspective Yes, thank you Jessica. That was good. It's some of the best analysis I've heard. And I also think that Billy's analysis is good when he says, hey Dan, Netflix doesn't get to be the big winner when everyone internationally is complaining about their buffering problem. But I'm just, I am both appalled by the way the business of this works as somebody who loves sports and would like a sporting event that has merit to get this as opposed to the

evolution of let's just throw a bunch of famous things together and and and let's make Jake Paul the face of combat sports and it's like wait a minute you know how many people are almost literally killing themselves to get to the top of this art and you're going to make this clown. You're going to make this clown the face of it because he's YouTube famous and he's got the perfect people he's picking to fight and he'll find somebody because this business is booming. It's never been better and bigger than it is today when your big corporate partner is Netflix trying to figure out how to beat everyone else at this particular game. But he has to keep winning

Right the second he loses. It's over. He's already lost really Jay Paul's lost a bad business strategy Tommy Fury Seems to be doing okay, though I should really question his business strategy, but but to your to your point though if he had lost to Mike Tyson 58 year old Mike Tyson his boxing career might have ended Again, he lost not a real boxer that he that he over achieves beyond wherever it is your expectations Were for a youtuber fine But you put him in a ring with any of the top ten contenders in his weight class and he will lose quickly

You can make the squeaking sounds all you like, he will lose quickly to real fighters. Don't we all know that? No, I don't believe that Billy and others do. No, I do not. No, everyone here, certainly everyone here. We all know what this is. Him versus Canelo, I think we all know how that one goes.

No, but I think that that- It's a side show. I'd like to see how it goes. I'd watch it. I wanna see how it goes. You wouldn't like to see. Oh, Dan, you'd watch Canelo Jake. Dan, but I think that- It's a side show. I'd like to see how it goes. I'd watch it. You wouldn't like to see. Oh, Dan, you'd watch Canelo Jake. Dan, you'd watch Canelo Jake.

You'd watch this one. You'd watch the 60-year-old man do it. You'd watch this one. I didn't watch it. Because he wasn't fighting a real fighter. He was fighting someone who was 60. But you watched it. Wouldn't a real fighter pique your curiosity just to see if he could hang with Canelo?

No, because he can't. I know that he cannot. Well, there's only one way to find out. He couldn't hang with a real fighter's brother. Not only one way to find out I already know how can you it's impossible. You're talking about the eighth ranked heavyweight whose name I have no idea Talking about anybody within 25 pounds of him that is a ranked fighter Anybody I'll give you 50 pounds, because Canelo's not... Canelo is 168.

Like, Jake is in the 220s. He's going to fight someone 60 pounds heavier than him? No chance. Yes. Canelo has to bulk up for that one. He's going to have to. He will. I don't know. You keep saying this as someone whose entry into

this entire conversation was, I don't care about any of this. Like the way you started, I don't care about anything that happened Saturday night. That's why I'm entertaining this fight. Hey podcasters, it's Mike Ryan. And let me tell you something, the NBA's got a lot going for it right now. Bright young stars hitting the court, teams playing exciting brands of basketball, and celebrities everywhere you look court side.

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