The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Bring Back Kevin Pollak!

Episode Date: November 30, 2023

Shaq has gotten mad at both Dan and Amin and has "3" words to describe Heat Culture. Charlotte continues to tell INCREDIBLE jokes, and Jess and Lucy discuss the new imaging for their College Football show that's definitely not called Foot Girls™️. Plus, we're all rooting for CFP chaos, College Gameday is changing, and Disney's Bob Iger caves to the "go woke, go broke" mentality. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big suite presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants, just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries

that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Are we gonna get to the Shaquilla Nail video or we're not gonna get to the Shaquilla Nail video or we're not gonna get to the Shaquilla Nail video? You now have it.

Is it gonna be here, the new Mike's Dad's texts? What? What's it? Is it gonna become the new Mike's Dad's text? I don't know what he said. Let's go to the Shaquilla Nail video now. A lot of possessives, it's always tricky.

About heat culture. Let's run that one back, I think I said it well. The fine, what heat culture is, what does it really mean? Because you live that you wanna championship here, What's wrong now on back I think I said it well I'm a divided in three words discipline Motivation and never given up remember in the finals it is a great day from the risk of you are down The world knows I'm the terrible become old defender. You know that, right? I guess we're never gonna give up. I was shocked and motivated. I was shocked because we're gonna have just a few.

You were out there, Gauri, three point shooters, because everyone had the catered to things that went their strength, right? Yes, we did. So you know, we had a great team, of course. Three words, dedication, discipline, and never giving up. I mean, Clayme Shaq does that on purpose in order to go viral. Yes.

Shaq, by the way, I saw him before the game, and he chastised me for not sticking up for him when he made his bowl bowl point. I said, why do I got to stick up for you? You said because you have a show. Shout out, Abba. Every weekday but Mondays for some reason. Also the Dan Lovato, our show is to go.

Oh, that's nice. What's with the U standing in Charlotte sitting thing? I like the stand, she likes to sit down. All right, that's a pretty simple answer. What's with the U sitting back there and dancing over here? All right, covers it. Uh, Chitillo Neal has gotten a mad at me for saying certain things that I've thought are benign. And you say he does this stuff to go viral.

They didn't have any fun with it there that he was saying three words and then went more than three words. I have found him to be unusually sensitive also, also though, more comfortable in his own skin than someone for that size than anyone I have ever met. Ooh, I don't know about that. I believe that he carries, like I have, I think of big men like Karimab Dooljabar or whatever, going through life ornery, going through life because they've always been the oddball, they've always, they've been gawked at since childhood.

You said it. Do you know anyone else's shack size? Like do you have a bunch of friends shack size and you're like, he looks the most comfortable. Seven footers. Seven footers is what I meant. Now why would you guys laugh at Dan's shack size? What's funny about Dan is Shack size?

Well, let's hear her out. He could be making a weight point. Because you're unexpectedly large. You're a big guy. You have a presence about you. I know. I thought you'd be like 5'11 when I met you. Very wide.

This happens all the time. People that meet me. I've been telling you what, I trust your free throws more. Evidently, people who meet me think that I'm much smaller than I am. However, I don't believe it is fair to say that I am shak size again. I can be hulking and fit in shak's navel I am sweaty. I am yeah Yes sweaty as well. Yes, I sweaty a shack. I will I will allow but shak size. I will not allow shak's weight

I will not allow I will not allow that no I won't allow that you've got no no no no no no now you've gone too far he has lost a lot of weight he's not so if you though your feet are nicer thank you do you know that for a fact that's all dance feet when he was Fred Flintstone not terrible I was barefooted as the gesture yesterday too you were yeah what you're giving that away for free yeah everybody could have a I was barefooted as the gesture yesterday too. You were? Were? Yeah. What? You're giving that away for free? Yeah.

Everybody could have a choice. Would you like to talk college football? I would. Can I say one thing real quick about heat culture? Yes. OK. The culture court, what I mean, he's already laughing. Oh my god.

She said this to me in the middle of a game, although. Yeah, I'm staring at the side signage under the scorers table. And it says, heart is working best condition, most professional, unselfish, toughest, mean as nasty as team, the NBA. And I was like, if I were a visiting team, if I were a player and a visiting team and I came here and I saw that,

it would enrage me so much that I would play hard. It would, heat culture would work on me only as the visiting team. I'd be like, oh, you guys synchronized this, you see him watch this. And then I have like 50 points. I'm sure we're giving it away for free. Usually that's like in our locker room or only we can see it. Give it away.

Put in the bulletin board material on the court. Yes. She's not wrong about that. It could backfire on you. It would be something that would piss people off. But since Mike Ryan mentioned, do you want to talk some college football? I'm assuming this is in reference to the foot show that yes, the foot show that just that's the

intern only for foot girls. Oh, well, when are we going to do that? Because seasons now over. No, no, no, no, no, we don't have any talking about season has just begun. talking about season has just begun. It's an excellent point. It not just bowl season, conference championships, obviously underway this weekend, but it's it's a gluten season. It's a portal season. Coaching carousel season.

It's incredible right now. This is actually the apex of the college football season. And we, yes, have consulted with the talents who weren't super receptive, but not hesitant for the footgirls title. And we took that information, and we hired a very pricey consulting firm, and we've come back with a big open

for Jess and Lucy's unnamed college football show that we will unveil this week. I have not heard this yet. I do not give this my support. Foot women? I'm not giving it away. We'll all find out together. I feel like everybody is rooting for Alabama

for the first time ever. I am an Alabama fan. Like I've never rooted for that more. Chris Cody, you are absolutely right. I decided this year, you know what? Would be funny if Alabama won the national championship. It would be hilarious. I just want chaos.

I want everyone to win with one loss. I want Florida State to win barely. So they stay undefeated. Oh, man, I just want to face you to not make it undefeated. That's really what I want here. Put it on the pole, please, Jude. Is everybody rooting for Alabama because I hadn't considered the idea of that. I really had not thought before you just mentioned it that that would be a possible thing in my lifetime. I just want in the final year of the 14 playoff for this committee to have the chaos and error. They haven't had to do it that much. That's why I want them to do the thing. They've been Florida state. They've been bailed out, but you can kind of see these rankings headed into conference championship week. Then plotting

their escape route. That's all these rankings are right now because putting FSU at four definitely is like, all right, if they win, they're in. We're not going to make a hard choice. You can already see by where the rankings are now that they're plotting for what happens if Bama beats Georgia and Texas wins the big 12, but FSU wins and Oregon essentially erases their loss against Washington. You could see that this isn't about best team anymore. This is about CYA for the CFP. Nobody thinks that FSU will not get in though of the win, right? Like, what if they barely win?

What if they look terrible? I think they'll get in. I think what would be funny other than Alabama going to the playoffs would be the Pac-12, once again, doing the Pac-12 thing, which would be knocking each other out of the playoffs entirely, because that has been what the Pac-12 has done for the last however many years.

And this year going into the season was like, wow, this is the most stacked Pac-12 conference we've ever seen. There's some great teams like Colorado. There's legitimately though, like great quarterbacks in this league. They're gonna have this is that you're gonna have someone in the playoff. But then Washington pulling off the win against Oregon means that Oregon, now a heavy favorite on Friday night, nine and a half points, I think.

Winning would mean that there's no undefeated Pac-12 champion. And it would be very funny if they got left out in the final season of Pac-12. But we were like, this is the year they're finally going to have a super competitive team in the playoff. Put this on the pole, Ju-ju, please. Is this CYA for the CFB?

I'm confused. Forgive me. Forgive my CFP. Excuse me. Lill. For I'm legitimately confused about why that Washington line keeps going up. Are there injuries that I do not know about? I don't know what's going on with Penex,

and I don't know if he was just super emotional after the win over Wazoo, that could be it. There's not a lot of information, but it looked like he was, they put a cloak over him. He was being escorted out of the stadium off the field because he couldn't see because there was a cloak all over him. I don't know if he didn't want people to see him emotional or if he was hurt.

He kind of looked like something was going on there. So the line would indicate something's up. The other thing I think that is worth considering though is also just that Washington's red zone defense and their passing defense is very, it's not very good. And Oregon, since the Washington game has just been an unbelievably unstoppable offense. And so having the Heisman Frontrunner, Bonix against a leaky defense is going to, especially

on a neutral field. Remember the first time that they played was at Washington, which is a big part of it. A big part of, you know, they had a lot of home field advantage in that game. But a 14 point swing, right? I don't like a 14 points. It is a lot part of it. A big part of, you know, they had a lot of home field advantage in that game. But a 14 point swing, right? I don't like a 14 point. It is a lot of points, right? And I didn't have as a lot of points, but I mean, it is, in the first time, the first time they played,

Lucy and I talked about on our unnamed college football podcast, that like both of these offenses were playing really, really well, but Oregon had the advantage on defense. And Dan landing is someone that has coached defense before and like you trust his defense. And I think that Oregon's only gotten better throughout the season and actually losing to Washington. They've probably fixed some things that make them a pretty good contender going into the playoff if they do actually make it. Would you agree with a notion that aside from a college football playoff spot, aside from the Pac-12 championship, this is also the Heisman Trophy on the line on Friday night with the two quarterbacks there.

It would appear that way, right? Because I just got my notification, this is I'm gonna do this preemptively. I'm wrong one. Shall I let him out the talk? Oh! Okay! Okay! Don't do that. I'm sorry, I know.

I feel bad. I feel bad. I'm never gonna stop trying. He's cheating. As if he could. Dunpoo. Jeremy Tashay. I'm sorry. I know what I'm never gonna stop. I'm never gonna stop trying Dunno Jeremy Thank you But I didn't have my glasses on shack fingers. Are you gonna talk about your Heisman vote?

Yes, because he asked me about which way to vote and because Sam Hartman because of that game Why did you just say Jeremy? It's a bad I tell bad jokes that are actually good. He tells bad jokes on purpose. Shout out Jeremy. I do. Oh, purpose way. I think someone who he would.

As if we're the only one to have bad jokes in this crowd. Folks. I have decided not to cast it until after watching that game, but I have been surprised that Washington keeps that the point spread would change that much from the first time they played, that home field advantage would essentially be worth 14 points if PENIX isn't actually hurt. The point that Mike made about though, the line being where it is, people know something, is anyone else worried about the fact that Matt Rool is saying that a college quarterback now goes for 1.5 to 2 million dollars and in some cases 6 million dollars. That's what Matt

rule is saying whether it's true or not that all of this stuff, this money, this amount of money, whether it's gambling lines or this amount of money, that you're putting this kind of pressure on kids. There's still kids like I understand that they're famous kids and important kids, but when the professionalism seeps into the sideline and a kid is making his way off the field, and Caleb Williams is trying at the end of his games, like, it's an awful lot of pressure to put on kids when you start on top of everything else. You make the money skyrocket, and you wonder how much gambling information is out there

on whether a guy is hurt or not. Well, then like, we shouldn't put any of it on TV and we shouldn't pay their coaches 10 million dollars a year either. They should be rich kids. Don't lebertard. What up JT? What's up guys? What's up man? Good luck today boy. If you know I'm the way I know I'm growing up, everyone knows I'm going boy. High-come in-bees. Don't do that. You just embarrassed me so much. Still gots. Okay guys Nick Jonas is walking this way. Can we get him to say what's up? Oh boy. Hi, come in, please don't do that. You just embarrassed me so much. Stugats! Okay guys Nick Jonas is walking this way. Oh god.

Can we get him to say what's up? I know exactly what I'm gonna say. Can we chat on 18? Oh my god. I can't do that. Do we have trolls? Yeah, oh we're gonna get, we're gonna get partly. Hey what's up Nick?

Good luck today. That chat on 18, my god. Now, woo. Tall. He made it. That's time you embarrassed us. Yeah, that's the way. Boy. This is the Don Limiter Show with this Tugats. Oh, tall. He made it. That's how you embarrass the city. Yeah, definitely.

Boy. This is the Don Limita show with this two-gats. Charlotte and a mean had to step out to do oddball every day, except for Monday. They do it. It is unusual, but we brought in a big gun to replace him. Lucy has flown in to talk about the show that is not named Foot Girls that is going to have now imaging and it's gonna have production elements.

It has grown into something more popular. It has grown into something that people are listening to. They're looking for because you guys really know your college football, you're really enthusiastic about your college football this is something that's been lost in sports Jason kid ripped everybody the other day and juju ripped us in the first hour can we just be happier and positive around stuff and you guys your enthusiasm for college football has been obvious to everybody but uh... Lucy are you on board because it seems seems like Mike is strong footing you too,

in trying to push upon you a show title that neither of you want. None of this imaging, the name was not approved by Jess, I haven't seen it, it wasn't approved by me either. I don't know what we're getting into. I'm just a little nervous. I would just say, wait and see, first off, I haven't tipped my hand here or my foot.

I have not committed because I want you guys to genuinely be surprised by all the care of this company as put in behind this great college football property. You got the knowledge, you got really charismatic talents. All your lacking is brand awareness because we failed, we haven't named it. And we're gonna just punch it up a little bit

and I think it goes straight to the moon. And today we're doing that. We're unveiling to them. They are reluctant and they have not seen any of this. It'll be debuting on this week's edition of Foot Girls. I mean, whatever we end up calling it. All right, that seems they should have some sort of ownership over what we're doing.

They do, they do, they do. It is, they're show. They should have some creative of ownership over what we're doing. They do, they do, they do. It is, they're show. They should have some creative control, though, over how it is that it's packaged. Metal-Arch Media does not want to force upon them creative constraints. How about it's a game of feet? We're, hey, how about some literal ownership?

Maybe we'll accept your title if you give us more equity in the company. Nice. Just, look, the company is helping work for you here. I'm just trying to help. The program has gotten very popular again because there enthusiasm shines through. We're just gonna punch it up, a little punch up.

Lucy is headed to the SEC Championship game. Are you with Jessica on this? Are you now rooting for Alabama? Are you trying to be an impartial metal art journalist as you go up there? I have never been an impartial journalist in my life. I'm so rooting for Alabama. I want some chaos. We were we didn't have the chaos. We deserved in the regular season. Not a ton of upsets. We deserve it now. Chaos. Chaos. Chaos. Okay. Okay. Bad college football. See, no, not a bad.

No such thing as bad college football. It's been very chalky. It's been super chalky. And if you're one that fancies upsets, this has not been the year for you. Was that an exaggeration from you this weekend when you sent me a text saying that top 10 teams as double digit favorites are 79 and two this year? No, it got, it actually got worse after the weekend. No, straight up, we're talking straight up, not ATS, but.

Sorry, Taylor, because North Carolina. Yeah, the two, the two were Clemson at the start of the season. You can maybe not even pay attention to that because there's a preseason ranking. But yeah, UNC has a distinction then. If you, if you discredit the preseason rankings, you would, UNC has a distinction of being the lone L there, which is uncommon. It's weird. I expect college kids to be college kids. I expect them to not be trustworthy because

or a trustworthy on reliability because they're learning. They're going to college in order to learn and I never expect what you just described for me. I expect to be surprised by results. I'm surprised and in 2023, I'm in a place where you guys are arguing that Alabama is the lovable underdog here that America is rooting for. I think it just brings us the chaos. I don't want them to win it all. I want them to just beat Georgia's, so there's a lot of chaos. I'm fine with them getting in. I'm fine with them losing once they're in though. I disagree. I want them to win everything because I think that I reckoned with a few years ago after Alabama demolished Notre Dame in the playoff once again, although Notre

Dame did cover 17 points, Brad. I realized Alabama is one of the only teams that I'm okay with winning at all because like they are just winners. Nick Saban is a winner. Their players are winners. Their fans are winners. They just win everything. And I don't think I can live with myself, with college football, if Michigan wins, if Florida State wins. Washington.

I mean, Washington tonight. We're going to find. Yeah, they're fine. Or Oregon. I don't know. That one. But you get what I'm saying here. Ohio State, like all of these teams that I know,

they've all won a lot of these teams have won in the last decade or plus. But I just, Alabama is the one team that I'm like, if Alabama wins, I just go on and I live my life because they win, that's what they do. They're Alabama. And now they're offensive coordinators, Tommy Reese, and that also proves me right

because I thought he was a very good offensive coordinator when he was at Notre Dame. And a lot of people didn't and then guess what Nick Saban wanted him which I think already should prove me right But if he wins a championship double right next even one a lot of people it's the greatest rooting interest that any of us have around here being right a Small part of me once Michigan to win just so I can see them get it taken away I don't know where you're going with that, but that would be it's weird with Alabama. This here in full cast after dark mentioned this after they lost to Texas is rooting against them isn't as fun because we all agree the generational talent the dominance isn't there. And it's a weird thing because they're right there on the cusp of yet another college

football playoff. But people who observe college football all have reach a consensus. This is a pretty good job by Nick Sabin because this doesn't look like the Alabama teams of years previous. So in that sense, when you compare them to previous incarnations of themselves, they are kind of scrappy. I will say if they do go on to upset Georgia, which let's be honest, I don't think that they will. There are five are five and a half points. Alabama will come out to a seven zero star. You just said they're winners.

They win. They only know how to win. And Georgia will be up 28%. I stand by that. What I want to say is that if they do end up doing something crazy in the rest of the season, Jalen Milrose pass to Isaiah Bond in the final 30 seconds of the Iron Bull this year, we'll go down as one of the, it already should because it was watching that game

and watching that play. Like it did something to my brain that I didn't know could happen anymore. I felt pure like ecstasy. Like what an absolute insane way to score a touchdown in that game from fourth and goal from like the 31 yard line. He's scrambling, he can't find anyone.

Everyone's double man except one guy in the back of the end zone and he throws a dime and the guy catches it and Auburn fans around the world just sink their heads into their hands. It was an absolutely crazy finish in a series where there's been crazy finishes all the time. We're used to craziness in the Iron Bull. It was, oh, it was a masterclass. What a play drawn up by Tommy Reese on that fourth and goal from the 31.

And you forgot the best part. Hugh Freeze losing in the process. How awesome was that? It was great. Herbie and Fowler have been around a lot of college football. And we have the video right now that we can play their reaction while they're in the booth in Gainesville at the swamp about to call FSU Florida reacting to that finish. I love like the iron bull. I had watched not just their reaction to that, but also the play because the play was legendary. Just mentioned something that people were double man. Here's a crazy thing about that final play.

They gave Alabama, you know, the secondary was 20 yards back and yet everyone found a way to get beat deep. It was crazy. And also, that was like the third read Millro made. He could have tossed it in the middle of the end zone and he would have had two open receivers there too. The breakdown was epic and just so unexpected because of the distance, but.

Like what was, what was Hugh Freys doing in the time out? Like how? You have a prevent defense and they found a way to get behind your defense. How? He was writing his post game speech already. He was like, look at his ass. I feel like the more important question is,

why do we have so many camera angles of Kirk, Herb Street and Fowler? There's like, there's one behind them. One point. And then they show like this top left one that's not, neither of these are shots they would use on the's like, there's one behind them. And then they show like this top left one that's not, neither of these are shots they would use on the broadcast. So there's one behind them.

And then they cut to like above them to the right, it's just like, how many angles do we need? I believe that that is the physical manifestation of the joy that you will get from Lucy and Jessica on a show that will not be called Foot Girls because Metal Arc Media is a progressive company and we will not force upon them something. You know, in the event that it is called Foot Girls, you're really taint in the jury pool at this point.

It could be a celebration and again, it's not about their feet, though they are lovely fans and you should subscribe to see them. It's about football and they just so happen to be girls talking about football. You mentioned that. And if we just put those things together, you have the brand awareness that I'm talking about while totally manipulating an algorithm.

Can you play for me again that video because these are 10-year-old brothers. You rarely see adults in professional broadcasting positions where, ridiculously, they still make you wear sports coats to cover this stuff on television so that you can be this credible. They look like 10-year-olds, and what I want to tell you about that play is I felt like I was on that play in the 1950s because I was at the park with my dog and I got into the car and I went to the place on satellite radio where it was 24 or 20 and I'm like let me listen to this and they keep going backwards.

They're backwards at the goal line and now it's fourth and 31 and everything you guys just described. I'm listening to like a local broadcast. I don't even remember whether it's Alabama or Auburn. It's satellite radio. But what you guys just described in detail, imagine me in my car, because I sat there looking at my radio with my mouth open.

And I'm like, how did that happen? How did he have enough time to do that? How did he, how did someone get open in the back of the end zone from 30 yards away when your entire defense has to be planted. How did he? How did someone get open in the back of the end zone from 30 yards away when your entire defense has to be planted at the goal line? Like, I'm looking at it and it says if it had belched, my radio had belched, a total mystery because I'm like, these announcers are behaving as if that's something that should have happened based on what they're watching on the field. And I'm like, did Auburn just leave the field? Like how did that physically happen?

Pretty much, I mean, it doesn't remind me of when I missed the kick six because my dad really, really wanted to watch the kick off of the Notre Dame Stanford game. Your dog must have been confused why you were staring at the radio with your mouth open. Yes, of course my dog was confused. I think he was confused in a corner,

we're at the park, let's go. I said, don't get game of feet. I gotta be honest was confused. Like owner, we're at the park. Let's go. I said, I don't get game of feed. I got to be honest, Chris. It's a game of feed. They measure in yards and sometimes with chains. Game of inches. And occasionally an index card.

The big tall. It's not the big. I miss her already. To the son. I want to talk to you about something that Mike Ryan said about the ratings, because I want you guys to understand. You were talking in a different segment about how the ratings are calculated, and everyone's just sort of making it up.

But I specifically wanted to talk to Lucy and Jessica about the fact that Fox is now touting that Big Noon has caught ESPN on the college on Saturdays. And I know the numbers are fudged and we can play with the numbers a lot but I'd like to get into the bad math that a lot of people are doing because the Fox show is coming after ESPN's game day and I also want to get to that Elon Musk Bob Eiger video put it on the poll jujure at Lebitard show who side musk or eiger dan lebitard that kind of thing i love that song is that a bassoon what is that sound oh it's a tuba is it a tuba i believe

it's a tuba are you sure yes i would be very interested to find out. Let's get a music college is on. I think it's a pursue. I love woodwinds. Who do we know that who's the music version of Ron McGill that we could have on? I think it's a bocoon. To hear that sound and to idea it. Still gots. I mean, I heard that and I think I was the butt of that joke. That was Billy. No, no, prior to that, I'm going into college. Yeah the border. Yeah. Yes. Keep up, Dan. DC's the down lebertar show with this two gods. Jessica Lucy have been out in front in telling me again and again that, Dan, this isn't your college game day anymore.

I'm looking at it and I'm saying Pat McAfee's a star that show needs to get younger. People are complaining about Lee Corso. They're not allowing him to age with grace on television. And when I say they, I mean people on the internet, but I also mean ESPN because I don't know how you allow a Lee Corso to age with grace when he's having difficulties with age and broadcasting because of the stuff speeds up. But they added McAfee and McAfee's a star and they're renting McAfee. McAfee made his own star to them and they gave him a number of unusual freedoms that Disney is usually not willing to give. They gave

him ownership of all of his stuff and they're allowing him to curse on the air and they're, they're bleeping it, but they're bleeping it in a way that makes us wonder yesterday. Well, wait a minute. If Aaron Rogers is saying G. F. Y. And they're changing it to finger and they're not bleeping the finger. and I'm asking the question, wait a minute, is finger something that should be on Disney air or is it the bleeper wrong there is here to be on our air? Is that a word that should be bleeped? I don't even know. Pretty sure George Carlisle and Seven Words you can't say on television actually weren't Seven Words you couldn't say

on television. I think that he was just making those up as the word. I actually don't think that they believe them. They have the the warning beforehand. And I've told you before, the one thing that I picked up on my intro took communications class is you could show hardcore pornography on cable television. It's not subject to the FCC. Those are just internal standards and standards that they'd like to honor with their advertisers. But if Chris Fowler says the F word during a broadcast provided that it's not on network

TV, they're not subject to any kind of FCC fine. But the thing that I wanted to talk to you guys about because Disney is a brand that is in some public peril that I think in our lifetime. We have not seen before where Bob Eiger, one of the great CEOs ever in the history of business who retired at the perfect time as if he knew the pandemic was coming. Perfect retirement, somehow. Right before the parks closed in China, before the movie theaters have a total problem. He retires. And then he comes back.

And now Bob Eiger is in the middle of something that Bob Eiger could not have expected to ever be in the middle of. He's being quoted and he's getting in trouble for things like this. He says creators at Disney have lost sight of what their job should be, to entertain first, not to give messages. And he says that stories infused with positive messages for the world can be great, but that it shouldn't be the primary job. This is him reacting to losing money and being told that Go Won't Go Broke DeSantis. It's the pressure of it. And he's saying, look, look, look, not, I agree with you.

Disney should be about just entertaining. And so they get McAfee and they give him a new set of rules. But I thought that would result in college game day getting bigger and better, more popular. I underestimated the allegiance that the viewer has to David Pollock made me feel a little more comfortable on Saturday mornings. He was there and he's not Pat McAfee, but whatever. He fit with Desmond Howard, and he fit with those guys that he liked him. Now, when I'm reading McAfee, McAfee can be very sensitive. I'm reading him, and everyone around him saying he's a good teammate. They all love him. They're all getting along with him. He is a fuse. If he is such a positive person, he is a fuse in his praise for the people on that set. But now the numbers are coming back and this is something that mac if you couldn't

expect that i i've seen his reaction to some criticism and he is not enjoying his been popular all his life he's been getting a plaza all his life and now a guy in the media to grow up on social media is hearing that yeah ninety people might be applauding but there are three that are very loud who aren't applauding. I actually don't think it has that much to do with Pat. I'm not gonna make this Pat McAfee thing. We were talking about all the different layoffs

that ESPN has had, and they've affected other things, and we were talking about, it's even affecting game day. Yes, you have Herbie there, and you have Corso there, you have Desmond there, these are familiar faces. But over the years, you've stripped away Renaldi, which a house key, you've stripped off. Paulic, Paulic is part of it, the bear.

Chris Martin. And the bear isn't just someone that's making picks on the side, and it's not like you can just replace him with Stanford Sieve, who's not as good against the spread. I'm not a bad year. But the bear is a, I'm gonna tout a producer here. The bear was a long time producer.

Who do you think's picking the topics? I know, do you think he's just a cartoon character? The format of the show, when you take someone like that, you're changing it. You're changing the emotional stories that make you cry in advance of a Purdue Ohio State game. All that stuff starts going away. And now it's not just going away.

Some of that stuff is going to Fox. You couple that with a big year for the Big 10. You have them being on network television, which is a leg up on ESPN. And you have a recipe, especially entering the big game between Ohio State and Michigan, where Michigan fans are participating in an active boycott of ESPN's coverage

because they think it's unfair. And you have the recipe for Big New and Saturday putting up a big number. The, to be clear, I'm not blaming McAfee. I'm setting up what's happening here in numbers that are hard to trust and narrative that is going to happen. Now that Fox states through its PR department

and it doesn't matter whether it's true or not. All that matters is perception. I always say perception is not reality, but when all you have is perception and fudge numbers, Fox is saying we've caught college game day. We've caught one of the most popular shows in the history of sports television. They want that out there for sure.

Right. It's not a surprise they're saying. No, no, but the new game was on Fox. And I think generally people just, I don't know how they measure the ratings because it's like they're three hour long shows, but people will just turn on the channel that they know they're gonna watch the game on.

So there could be a little bit of that happening, but also like Mike said, there is like, all of this fan tension with Game Day because of, you know, Pete Thammel's reporting and there was a all of this fan tension with game day because of Pete's family's reporting. And there was a weird thing that happened on Saturday where Des Howard, who went to Michigan, called out family for not doing his report in front of the fans. And then Reese Davis was like, well, he's

been getting threats from some lunatic Michigan fans. It was just like the whole thing was just a lot. And I don't know. I can see why, if you're a big 10 fan or Michigan fans, it was just like, the whole thing was just a lot. And I don't know. I can see why, if you're a big 10 fan or a Michigan fan, you're just gonna turn on Fox, because the game's on Fox, and maybe it's nothing deeper than that, because I still think, as a college football fan,

I would, I never missed a college game day for over a decade. Every single morning at 8am, central or 9am, when I was in college, I'd turn it on. Like I still think it's a superior product. I don't think it's that hard to figure out what's going on with college game day because it was a dilution by degrees until all of a sudden even fans of the show and I am a fan of college game day and I still rate it over big noon. It's not as good. And I think what I was speaking to you could read into the woke and I'm sure that's part of it. But Disney movies are failing at the box office, not just because they have

diverse cast. It's because the movies are it is great. Like that you could maybe read into it and say, well, that's also part of subtly what's happening with some of these reviews. No, I I'm exhausted by by watching some of these formulaic movies that are just very purple and just harsh on the eyes and don't have the great stories anymore. They, he calls them creatives. They're Imagineers. Elemental's good.

I won't let you bad mouth out of the hotel. Look, it's not all bad. Is that the little blobs with feelings? Yeah, it was so cute. It's not, it's not all bad. It's not all diluted. You can have outliers here or there, but just generally, you have focus groups tell you what works and things become more important than telling the story.

And I think you could apply that actually to college game day with their storytelling. It's not just talent set or gone, even though Renaldi has a lot of say in the production of these things, producers are getting scaled back. The thing that helps make the thing has been transitioned out of the company in many respects, and different things are being prioritized. It's, to your point, I think like, this is the natural evolution of this college game day. Just like hip hop turned 50 this year.

So now for the first time in history We got 50 year old rappers. Excuse me. So we got older rappers that are kind of insecure about still rappers Kind of don't want to do it and that's what I think the the audience of college game day is they like the baseball guy They like Stu got some great coldly talking about them like the in season tournament for some effing reason like brother It's not for you. There are say it's for the children who watch TV and say, Oh, a cool core. I want to play on the cool cool. I want to be that. And so I think that the natural progression of college game day, they don't have the same stranglehold over America, just simply because evolution period, nothing, pack, mac a fee or nothing like that.

It's just times change, bro. I used to love college, I still love college game days, so watch college game days. I think the thing with me, and I definitely identify with more, I feel like I'm a 50 year old man sometimes, but like, we're both 50 year old men in Boulder, Lucy. Yeah, we're not out on Spotify wrap this year. But I don't feel like I watch college game day

and I really learn anything anymore. And that's where I used to love about it, is like I would learn about these niche stories. What's going on with Virginia Tech football? I want to know, and it's become so much of a production, so much entertainment that I feel like the knowledge between like why I love college game day, which is, I want to just hear people really knowledgeable about the sport, talking about the sport.

It's not there as much anymore. I feel like game day's a Pollock away. Just bring back Kevin Pollock. The actor? David Pollock. David Pollock. Kevin Pollock would The actor? David Pollock. Kevin Pollock would be good too. What about Jackson?

He does a lot of voices. Jackson Pollock. Kevin Pollock. That would be a funny addition. Jackson would be great. That is a $5 fine for you, Chris, on the name. They're Pollock away. It's also, Judeo, a $5 fine for you for clearing your throat

into the microphone. Also, people didn't notice Lucy. God bless you with a gargantuan sneeze into her elbow during that segment. Did Nier. I sneeze like a cat, so you can't really hear it. Put it on the pole. Does Lucy sneeze like a cat? I want to get back to what Jessica was saying though about what happened with Desmond Howard because a lot of people said it was odd, but Desmond Howard as a Michigan man and someone who's feeling persecuted like a lot of Michigan men are

took a journalist teammate of his and on air told him to get in the crowd So that he could feel whatever it is that he need to feel around his reporting so that he could feel whatever it is that he need to feel around his reporting. That is Desmond Howard being a good Michigan teammate. That is not Desmond Howard being a good colleague at the time for Pete Thamel. Like that, he is supporting himself and the Michigan voice and being someone on behalf of Michigan on the air, but you say it's odd, nope, an athlete is gonna tell a journalist to go out there and face the music

in defense of his identity and his school. I mean, it's just an example of how like, it's not that serious, guys, like let's all just take a deep breath. Like, I don't know what the, if he was joking, I don't know if their buddies and like joked about it afterwards, I don't know any of that.

But it's just like if there are people actually giving this journalist death threats for just talking about like a sign stealing scandal with a guy who like to refurbish vacuum cleaners, like we all need to just take a step back and relax because holy shit, I love Cosmopol fandom, but sometimes we are just a little too in the weeds. You cannot watch Michigan Ohio State and say to me with a straight face, it's not that serious.

Are you crazy?