The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

There is a tension brewing in the studio between David Samson and Andrew Hawkins because Hawk appears to have the sniffles this morning. Can our resident germaphobe last an entire hour in the same studio with Hawk sneezing and coughing? Plus, Hawk gives us his thoughts on Bill Belichick being hired as the head coach at the University of North Carolina. Then, Our Friendly Neighborhood Race Lady, Jemele Hill, joins the show to discuss Caitlin Clark being named Time's Athlete of the Year and discussing her place as a white athlete in her interview for the story. While Jemele is with us, we go to the Bucket of Death and she tells us whether the window for her San Francisco 49ers has closed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. that hasn't happened to you guys I've done it and now here's the marching man to nowhere fat face and the habitual liar All right We got some real tension in here because David Sampton is a germaphobe and Hawkins is coughing and wheezing

And I just heard during the break the conversation. Are you contagious? And then then Hawk says, no I'm not, which I don't know how possibly. I didn't say no, I wasn't. You. He said, how contagious are you? Okay. And I said, I don't know.

Well then he asked you, do you have diarrhea? And then you said, let me check. Let me check. And I'm worried in general about what's happening between you two in here. This is our first time, and it's been an entirely negative experience. Based on the way you were as a player and a teammate,

and the way you are now as my teammate and our teammate, you walked in dripping. I thought you wanted me to play through injury. Not now. I'm sacrificing for the squad. I'm just suggesting you could've taken some medicine, you could've come in. I thought that maybe your voice default was this phlegmy,

but then the drip gave it away. And before the show started, Dan, he said, excuse me, Dave, which means he just knows me from you calling me that, is there a cough button over on this seat? And I said, yes there is. My good friend. And you helped me find the cough button,

which is important in entertainment. Had I known that it was not just Stu Gotz, Flem, I would have. I smoked 17 packs of cigarettes a day. You haven't asked me that yet. I am Stu Gotz Jr. That's what everyone calls me on the street. Why did we go from coughing to diarrhea?

Where was the link there? I think David has diarrhea and he was trying to diagnose what he has and he's blaming me. And I'm like, yeah, I don't have that, bro. I was telling you that what I'm suffering from is not contagious. So I'm gonna be just fine.

You have diarrhea right now? I've not this second. I've been sick. I've been plain hurt. It's what you do. You have a tummy ache I've had a tummy ache since two days ago, and it's dark Andy. It was the candy. No No, it was not the candy. It was a bad taco I believe but not relevant it may have been food from the kitchen here not relevant

What's relevant is I'm here and I'm not contagious and you're playing through it you're not quitting i do want to get back to a portion of this devon drey campbell story because uh... i'm trying to find the times or places that i have seen it anything that compares like this to somebody in the middle of a game having an exchange with a coach where the coach is saying get in there and he's saying no and then afterwards Shanahan is telling you I didn't even ask a follow-up question

once the answer was no I just moved to next man up I didn't even ask I didn't even that I assume in that moment that it's sort of like they feel football players feel like they're always in a firefight and so there's just not time to ask questions there's always a I don't even want to I won't I won't call a timeout I want you're not worth that your well-being or whatever's going on with you my worry about your feelings is not even worth one of my timeouts I don't have the time to get your explanation for why it is you're doing what I think to for to Kyle Shanahan is Probably a pretty unprecedented thing

I don't want to play and then I'm walking to the locker room and I'm not telling you whether I'm hurt like what is Going to be the explanation for this. I'm done playing football when he speaks. What are you going to is there anything he can say? That you hear the changes what's presently happening on my televisions, which everyone in sports television is aghast because they're just calling this dude a quitter? And they don't understand what they're watching? And is there any context or number of facts that I can give you? Because you guys played the clip earlier of a player who was calling it some sucker shit

and some punk shit and he lost a baby and was playing a couple of weeks later. That's the thing that could happen. My family had an accident. There's no time for the explanation. I gotta leave. I'm leaving the game. We had players who had a death in the family,

a parent died during the game and we didn't tell the player until after the game. Yeah, there's no way on an NFL sideline for you to get that information. So there's nothing that could've changed at quarter one, play one, to when they got to that moment. And my question, Dan, is was he kicked off of the sideline because he refused to play, or did he voluntarily say,

hey, I'm not going in, and just left the sideline? If the latter is the case, then he probably is done in his NFL career. Because to walk off a sideline, it's one thing not to go in, which is terrible in and of itself, but maybe there is some explanation of why I cannot go perform. If you leave the sideline, that is quite literally

you walking away from your NFL career. The last time it happened was Antonio Brown, right? That's the last time we saw it, and then he never played another down right we never saw him again in the league when you when you walk off a football field look i think hawk is here so he can explain it to you but i simply i don't i have not had friendships or bonds or workplace relationships that uh...

would respond to this badly to a broken trust, to the idea, I've never worked in a place where the ethos of it is so much, I'm gonna do everything I can to get out there, and the person next to me is linked by brotherhood in the understanding that he's gonna do everything he can to get out there too.

So, I just cannot explain to you what a fracture this is in this sport because of the codes of whatever it is honor is in this sport which is why I was shocked to hear you say that you weren't gonna get out there and try even if it meant your Career was going to end with a fumble Yeah, no that wasn't something I was willing to negotiate, which is a different situation than this. And maybe it's not, maybe that's my own bias thinking that the situations are different,

but I don't know these people. And what's most important at that point in my life is making sure I have a paycheck because I have a baby on the way. And I can't risk going out there and putting something on film that will ruin the opportunity for what is the closest thing

to financial freedom for me, right? In this situation, I don't believe that is the case because even if he was, for whatever reason, wanted to go about it to where he did not truly wanna play and it wasn't just a hissy fit because he was upset that their all everything linebacker had come back from an Achilles tear and they chose him over him, he maybe thought he would put enough on tape

to make it seem like that was his position or or they would have to earn It back because he's been the guy they've depended on That's what that feels like because even in the other scenario you go out there a play and you grab your hamstring Or you grab your neck or you fake it and be like I did one play. I can't play That's not what happened. This seemed like he was trying to retaliate for the move He didn't agree with and when you needed me most I'm gonna try to get you back And the weird thing was is he was a non-starter because of the defensive formation that they went out in right like they started with five

Down instead of a regular three linebacker set which he probably would have been a part of but then all of a sudden they go With that he gets upset and then I guess that's what ticked him off I'm gonna move off the subject in a second, but I'm just genuinely puzzled by the idea of, I've heard athletes so often say, like don't get in your feelings about the stuff on the field, like that if this is an act of petty rage because your feelings are hurt, like the consequences of that rage are so damaging

if he's that much up in his feelings and I just don't associate that with people who have climbed this particular ladder in this sport. Yeah, and I don't think you're wrong, especially when you're getting paid that much. Like that's all about the business. It's happening more often though. It just happened with the Ravens a couple weeks ago

and he's not gonna get to play. Johnson's not gonna get to play. He was suspended for one game. That was an interesting situation because he was also new to that team. He had just been traded. Recently acquired. Trade deadline acquisition.

He was like, ah, I don't feel like playing. I can't even imagine that level of player cockiness. Is it cockiness? Is it indifference? Is it flippant? Like I'd really like to hear from this person. Like I'd like to hear from Campbell. Isn't he a former Toledo Rocket as well?

Uh. Deontay Johnson? I can't exactly remember Mike. You know, my brain is fuzzy, I've taken a lot of hits. And he has diarrhea. I have diarrhea, you know. I've taken so many meds this morning because David keeps slipping them in my coffee.

Can I ask you guys based on the reaction that has happened around bill bellacheck which was also a bit confusing me because of the polar extremes that people were arguing with such conviction on what is the greatest coach ever if bill bellacheck is not met by north carolina with universal applause as a hiring who would be is there such a thing as somebody who's just like if Nick Saban, Nick Saban would be right if Nick Saban. Got the age thing with him too.

But if Nick Saban came back, it would largely be consensus applause, right? You don't have the unknown of can he get it done in this sport. Is there a second? Is there somebody? Kirby. Yeah, Kirby is like people that have had recent success. More than Belichick. So Kirk. Sark.

These are people that- Kyle Shanahan, if he were to come to the college game, I think it would be- That's a good one. I like that one. McVeigh too. Pat Riley in his prime going out of the front office. I wouldn't want him to coach football. North Carolina football.

We're all talking football? That's a tough one. Yes, that's what we're talking about. Okay, I'm talking about any coach. Although maybe he'd be good at it. You said any coach, Dan. Don't leave me hanging. Well, I'm talking about any coach. Although maybe he'd be good at it. You said any coach, Dan. Don't leave me hanging. Well, I'm just, while I'm saying North Carolina football, I'm saying that the reaction to Belichick, because I can sit here and say, honestly, as we talk about this, well, I don't

know what's going to happen. But if I had to bet, I'm going to bet on expertise and some things that he has shown and proven to be good at, but I don't actually know, and I'm interested by the extremes. But if this person is not a perfect candidate with his credentials, then I was asking you who is, and it's hard for me to get my head around, wait, so you guys think Sark? A guy who was drinking, like, he had alcohol on his breath

and was let go at USC. You guys think Sark is a, is somebody who would be met with more universal applause or, or even Shanahan. I don't know what you're doing with the alcohol thing there. I'm saying that, I'm saying it, I'm, what do you mean? Like, he was let go because he was drinking on the job. Like, I'm, what I'm saying is that that can be hard to trust even if I can have all the compassion for it being an illness. He wasn't met with universal fanfare though. Sarc wasn't met with universal fanfare too.

Yeah, I'm curious. I find the reaction to it puzzling because you can have your questions about it, but when you apply the context of this is North Carolina, it's a basketball school, football is an afterthought, they have trouble engaging their biggest boosters, they don't make it to Charlotte routinely, this is a home run hire and yeah okay there's a succession plan and yeah okay there's this weird buyout that goes from ten million dollars to one million dollars on June 1st. How does that line up with the NFL calendar? Also I would say it's just ten million dollars. That's not gonna stop an NFL owner from hiring

him in this cycle and I'm sure he probably has a plan for that too. It's probably involving his son. I don't know what you're upset about. He said at the press conference, I'm not leaving. He was asked straight up, are you using this as a stepping stone to get back to the NFL? Nope, I'm not leaving. Last words here were, I'm not gonna be the Alabama coach.

That's the last thing he said. Your idea, the other day I was leaving with you and we were talking about leadership and you didn't say leadership was overrated, but when I said I'm not a good leader, I don't know how to lead, you said nobody does. Bill Belichick is famously known as a leader. Do you not believe that he has an assortment of skills

that should be met with a North Carolina audience and basically everybody who's watched him work for 25 years legitimately applauding the idea that a program that isn't one of the major programs just got the most major coach there is? I don't think that being a leader guarantees your success, right? And there are certain mediums where that leadership, if they even are natural abilities, bode better than in other places.

And I think that's what people are talking about with UNC. Like when you look at the New England Patriots, how he built that program, what that program stood for, it is in stark contrast to the state of college football today. Right? Like, yeah, he's going to get guys to give him the most. We understand he knows the X's and O's of football.

We understand he knows how to find diamonds in the rough to get better output than maybe what is on the surface of a player and their ability. But also what he wasn't dealing with was essentially a roster full of one year contracts. And that is how they built the program at New England. Yes, winning is all that matters. And when you get your opportunity, your time will come, but we're going to get over the heel football players. We're going to get undrafted guys.

We're going to get more out of them than any other program can. And we're going to take advantage of that for the lifetime of their contract. What happens when a guy comes in, he balls out and then they all want to go into the portal because now they have a a a higher appetite to make more money with other programs that you have to match and that dollar amount just continues to go up would there have been this many questions about this six years

ago and I'm not talking about where Belichick was six years ago. I'm talking about where the sport was, college football was six years ago. Nobody would be asking any questions. If Belichick were going back before NIL and before Player Freedom, everybody would be applauding here, correct? And wouldn't he be saying, I don't know

how well he's gonna recruit? I totally disagree. We've been arguing about this for, like, as long as I've been alive, there's been college coaches coach in the NFL can NFL coaches coach in college like we There's outliers for a reason like the way you talk about Pete Carroll's because like he's one of the few guys that's been able To do it in both right? And I guess my question for you Dan is like if you think Bill will be successful at UNC

What are you defining that as is that like he makes the playoff, he wins the conference, he wins a playoff game, he wins a national championship, because those are all like super- You don't have to guess, because it's in his contract. So you can guess if you, so does- No, it's giving like a million bucks for winning a playoff game. It's defined in his contract.

Success is, right now, right now this minute, it's already successful, because you're buying what he brings in terms of prestige. No one has ever talked about North Carolina football this way, so that's a measure of success. We've seen what Dion has done with that particular success for two years of just program building on that, and then after that, does he compete for the top of the conference? But I just, I wonder as I... Dan, Dan, Dan, in North Carolina's defense, we usually do talk about North Carolina football

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a Black People's Meeting, an important one that will be called the next day. We might have to put some things on the agenda and get it on the table. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the Stugats! two gods. Jermell Hill is with us now, so perhaps she can add some light to this subject that we're talking about. I will remind you that she's got two new shows. We've got Spolitics is the podcast and Above the Fold is the TV show on TruTV. Thank you, Jermell, for joining us.

What can you tell us about what you've found most interesting about everything swirling around Bill Belichick? Well, you know, it is, it does, it struck me that so many people, especially in the media, have such unwavering confidence that this is going to work. And I'm not saying that it's without merit. I understand it from a purely football perspective. I understand this. Bill Belichick is arguably the greatest NFL coach in the modern day.

And his accomplishments speak for themselves. But I just think that maybe I've, maybe I've been exposed to, you know, too many young people and especially talking to other coaches about what it's like in today's day to deal with modern young athletes. And I just wonder how this is going to turn out. Certainly a lot of athletes want to be professionals. They want to make it to the NFL. And I easily see many scenarios in which Bill Belichick is able, as he was good at in the NFL, able to turn someone who maybe has some borderline potential

into a real viable prospect. But at the same time, it's just such a different landscape. If coaches that are around his age are getting out and he's jumping in, that to me says a lot. And his last few years in New England weren't good. And so I just wonder if this is gonna be a fit from a personality standpoint, and just looking at how differently college athletics are

compared to maybe 10 or 15 or 20 years ago, where if you'd have said Bill Belichick was going back to college, I would have said this is no brainer, it's slam dunk, you know, he's gonna win there. In this climate, I'm not so sure. David, are you sitting that way because your stomach is gurgling?

I'm good. Okay, but it seems like you're protecting your stomach from whatever it is that ails you. It seems like you're in a position of a bit of discomfort, it looks like. I appreciate that. It makes for a very good workplace that you're that concerned about how I'm sitting

when we're talking about an important subject. It's distracting. It's distracting how I'm sitting? Yes, you look like you're in pain. You look like you're in physical pain. Time Magazine named Caitlin Clark, it's athlete of the year and in the article and I'm curious what else you found interesting about the article because she also said that college coaching, women college coaching

is pretty terrible. I want to say I've earned every single thing but as a white person there is privilege. A lot of those players in the league that have been really good have been black players. This league has been kind of built on them the more we can elevate black women that's going to be a beautiful thing not surprisingly Megan Kelly then responds on Twitter she's on the knee all but apologizing for being white and getting attention the self-flagellation condescending fake transparent sad not surprising that she's on the cover of time as the athlete of the year and always weaponized

and polarizing in this day and age, even though she is just incredibly benign. Like she has not done much of anything to actually stir real controversy. No, and I guess the only way she would have made Megyn Kelly matter is if she came out in support of Black Santas, because we know that Megyn Kelly only believes Santa Claus can be white.

I mean, that's the person whose opinion is chiming in on this, so it's not surprising she would have a problem with Caitlin Clark actually acknowledging the contributions, the sweat equity that black women have put into this game. And you can tell a lot. Well, let me just big picture this real quick, though, Dan, is that as Caitlin Clark's popularity was rising, and particularly after it exploded when her and Angel Reese met in that national championship game, she did the infamous Angel Reese, John Cena motion. And we saw a certain section of people galvanizing around Caitlin Clark. We saw it then and it only continued to grow.

And there was a nice amount of disingenuous people who were not basketball fans, certainly not women's, or they were not women's basketball fans to be clear. They were not fans of women's basketball, but Caitlin Clark became their avatar. She became their vessel to express a lot of the hateful and racist opinions that they had about black women, about queer women, and about the WNBA overall, to some degree about all women. So she became their sort of bat signal for that. And now that

we're learning more about Caitlin Clark, and this, by the way, this was not the first time she said this. It may be the first time she really said it at length, because she didn't do that many one-on-ones this year in 2024, but she's certainly been asked questions sort of along these same lines before. And, you know, while she didn't specifically mention white privilege, see, she has certainly always had a level of respect and reverence for the pioneers that came before her. I mean, one of the viral moments involving Caitlin Clark

was when she finally met Maya Moore. Maya Moore is her favorite player ever. And that, by the way, shows the growth of the WNBA. You know, a lot of the players that, when the WNBA first started, they had no professional model to look at in America, to say, oh, I grew up watching this, you know, professional women's player,

because that possibility didn't exist. Caitlin Clark represents the generation that actually grew up watching the WNBA, familiarizing herself with this league, understanding the legacy and the history of this league. And all she was doing is giving a nod to that. And she knows, like a lot of white players in the WNBA know, and they've said it, Kelsey Plumb, Breanna Stewart, is that they get elevated, they get marketed,

they get pushed in a way that Black women in that league who have accomplished similar things do not get the same endorsement opportunities, the same marketing. The marketing riddle of the WNBA prior to this moment has been how do you market a league that is 70% black where a third of the players identify as queer? How do you do that? And then it has been a lot of marketing mistakes the WNBA has made in trying to sort of minimize that part of their identity. Or, you know, a lot of people have certainly for years speculated that they push

certain players because they're trying to kind of galvanize and interest white America with players they believe that they will get behind. So this has been a long standing conversation in the WNBA. And Caitlin Clark, in her sense of leadership, I mean, she just stated the obvious. And now she has some very predictable people angry at her because they never were fans of hers. They just liked the idea of weaponizing her success against other black women who they can't stand.

against other black women who they can't stand. It's time for your friendly neighborhood race lady. I want to get Roy Bellamy and Andrew Hawkins to give me all the history they have with black Santas in their home. Tony, did you have a Hispanic Santa? Of course I did. You had a Hispanic Santa. Roy, what was in your house? What is in your house in terms of Black Santa?

Not in the house, but it depends on what mall you go to if you want to find a Black Santa. I wasn't a Santa Claus kid. My parents didn't teach me about Santa Claus, probably. That's the other thing. Because they were like, hey, we're not gonna make it seem like some white guy is buying you these gifts when we're working double time and over shit.

Exactly. So yeah, no white Santa, no black Santa. I asked the question wrong, is Santa black? Is Jesus black? I mean, it's basically the same question, right? He's Jewish. I mean, I don't know how. Yeah, the original Hebrew.

I think there's multiple Santas. It's not the same question, because Jesus was an actual person. I think Santa's multiple Santa's the same question because Jewish was I mean Jesus was an actual person Thanks from Germany originally I Have a black Santa and a black mrs. Claus in my house. Yeah, I think that doesn't surprise many people I'm shocked by that Breaking news that is why has black Santa Santa is like a UPS community. I have original recipe. Without somebody calling the cops. You have original recipe Santa?

Yeah. No, I have crispy. You have. I got spicy Santa. I love that you have spicy. I got black Jesus in my house. My Santa thinks ketchup is spicy. Did you celebrate Christmas at all?

Yeah. There was a Christmas party. I was like, I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party.

I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. I'm going to go to the Christmas party. Did you celebrate things ketchup is spicy Christmas? Did you celebrate Christmas at all or there was yeah? Absolutely celebrated Christmas. So you're just saying that your Christmas in my household was Jesus not Santa So that that's the season heavy on the on the Christmas Not so much in the Santa Claus Jesus would buy you the presents Jesus would provide the opportunity He always does you know black my kids they see black Jesus

There's black Jesus is at my house, you know, so they grow up they went to stores They were like, wait a minute. Why is Jesus white in this story? It was like they hadn't even know that that was a thing, you know, so black Santa black Jesus Yeah, you got a representation Jamil gets it.. Yeah, the black Jesus photo right next to Dr. King, right? There it is, exactly. And Robert F. Kennedy, right? Yeah, of course. That's going to be the three.

The black president, of course. But so the babies in your homes, Roy and Andrew, they think, if I ask them, Santa and Jesus, they are both black? Yeah, I would say so, yeah, absolutely. You're teaching them. I'm so confused right now. Not teaching so much as it's up to you, right? It's important for your kids to see themselves

as the superheroes, you know, because you'll see yourself, that's what Jesus represents, is you see yourself in that. When you see Santa, you see yourself. Your'll see yourself. That's what Jesus represents is you see yourself in that. When you see Santa, you see yourself, your kids see themselves in those things. So not so much teaching them that Santa is black, more as he could be black. Why not?

Why can't Santa be black? It's like a question though, right? It's like a question. Exactly. It's possibly black. Like, yes. I'm sorry. Can you help me please? I thought Santa was not real, but Jesus was.

Did I miss that? You better be careful, you're going down the line. Am I going down a rabbit hole of religion and color? You gotta be careful. You know what? Okay, that's it, I'm gonna go then. I'm sorry, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and... Childlike innocence.

Major penalty, five minutes, screwing comedy. Oh, Major! You gotta get out of here, Christmas. I'm just trying to protect you from yourself. If you have to go to the bathroom, maybe a massive break wouldn't be a bad idea. You already said the thing. I'm giving you five minutes to just get out the verbal diarrhea, the other kinds of diarrhea, get it all out of the room. I want to play something here for Jamel based on something we were talking about earlier this week with one so though can you guys get me the sound of both one so though are thanking new york yankee fans

and also then uh... famed yankee fan nick to turn row of complaining uh... with a great deal of rabid uh... passion that i would imagine doesn't want one so does thank you for Yankee fans Let's let's hear from Juan Soto here I want to say thank you. I'm actually just want to say thank you to them They really show me all the love and everything that they have last year. They were right there. They in, they out. They really have a spot in my heart at the end of the day. You know, tough that we couldn't get it together and try to be back and

stuff like that. But definitely I always going to appreciate what they did for me in 2024. Second language is tough. You know, you got to think about what you want to me in 2024. Second language is tough. You gotta think about what you wanna say in Spanish and then translate it to English and then you're kind of handcuffed with the words that you can say, a lot of love there, a lot of thank yous, it's tough.

He rehearsed that. Did you hear that sigh that he made before he actually started talking? It was like. Well, I did feel for him trying to answer the question why you chose the Met in his second language because he had to go to some of the things other than money and they, and yeah,

it's like they're building an unbelievable thing here. He went to Unbelievable a couple of times when the Met's haven't been unbelievable since 1986. Now we're trying. The contract was unbelievable. David picked a bad time to ruin Christmas. I mean, but would it have been so bad if he said, you see the money, right?

I mean, like, would that have been? I would have respected that a lot more. I think all of us would be like, yes, you're right. Or better would have just been, Dinero Papi, but he was trying to do it in his second language. But I'm sure Nick Tarturo, famed Yankee fan, received his thank you with sincere gratitude, right? Hey Soto, I saw your press conference. You wanna say thank you? Wanna say thank you to the Yankee fans?

No, thank you. No, thank you. Thank you would have been coming back to us Okay, there it is That's Thank you vastly more reasonable than he was in recent days when he was swinging a bat and throwing a bat and yelling f-us all over the place. You got here right now my friends over at Simply Safe are extending their massive Black Friday deal for our Leviton show listeners. Simply Safe is the home security I trust to keep my home and family safe. I've been telling you that for years. This is your last chance to protect your home at

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Can we get the Grim Reaper ready here and participate with the bucket of death and get Jamel involved also in the bucket of death I'm gonna pick for okay. I'm gonna pick for Jamel so she can Know opinions on the Niner season ending last night. It was this a window closing But it's not a gotta blow it all up and Completely like restart from scratch. We're not the Cowboys for crying out loud, you know what I'm saying? But I think it does signal that for this iteration of this team, this feels like the end. They got some major decisions to make, how much to pay Brock Purdy, can't take advantage

of getting him on the cheap, decisions to make about Debo, I mean, about the defense. So I think there's going to be some serious retooling in the off season. They can't afford to play Brock Purdy. What quarterbacks are working to accomplish what he's accomplished. That's a minor tweak that you're talking about here, Jamel. These are major, major pieces. All of it depends on how much is Brock Purdy going to cost. That that's really the truly the million dollar question.

And you don't want, you don't think he deserves the top dollar. Well, I think he deserves a competitive, really good quarterback salary. Does he deserve that Prescott money? Hell, this is his questions about deserve that Prescott money? Hell, this is his questions about whether that Prescott deserves that kind of money. I was going to say, that Prescott deserves that Prescott money. Well, but he's going to get Trevor Lawrence kind of money. That's 50 million a year, isn't he? You got to pay Brock Purdy the way you pay Trevor Lawrence, right?

I will say this. If we can, if we could keep, it would be great if we could keep that price tag between, and I know this sounds ridiculous, but between 40 and 45, that'd be great if we could keep it. That's Daniel Jones money. That would be great if we could keep it. You're talking Daniel Jones money, Jamel. I mean, it would be great if we could. I'm not saying he's clearly better than Daniel Jones. He's better than Trevor Lawrence.

I get it, but like for the entire engine of this team to work, once we start talking in the 50s and certainly anywhere near 60 million, okay, we in trouble. You can't pay him that. If you give me 40 to 45 million and I'm Brock Purdy, I'm going to turn into Devondre Campbell real quick on that sideline. What?

All right, I'm going to need that top dollar or, you know, I ain't playing, David. Welcome back. I wanna ask her about Devondre Campbell in a second, but let's just roll through while she's talking. Let's roll through the bucket of death here. No, the Browns, putting it back. Okay, the Browns, what are they?

They are a favorite, they are dog at home against the Chiefs. They're plus four. I actually don't hate it. They're gonna win. Golden helmet of life. Congratulations! No one is happy for you. I haven't lost this year yet either.

Wow! That! Dan I feel like I'm joining a cult right now. I have no idea what's going on. Yes, we're just... I'll explain it to you off air. Congratulations Yes, we're just, I'll explain it to you off air. Congratulations on the golden helmet of life. You get three free weeks without punishment. What did you make as a 49er fan and as a journalist

of Devon Dre Campbell just straight up quitting during the game last night? I thought it was a weak move. First of all, he already knew the reason that he was in that position was because of, you know, Dre Greenlaw being out. So he knew he was in a unique situation. So if this issue was about, you know, him, the playing time,

it's like that was your reality when you knew that was your reality from the start. But I think it's just, unfortunately, it's just a window into this season. You know, the 49ers have had an incredible amount of luck to go along with their skill and and obviously the winning. But you got to stay healthy in this league. You got to keep drama out the locker room. And this was not the year, unfortunately, for that.

Everybody got hurt. There's now, you know, even before this week, you had drama with Brandon Iukes contract situation, drama with Deebo Samuel last week complaining about not getting the ball enough. And unfortunately, he had the performance that he had against the Rams. So this was the season that all those things that can derail other teams came bubbling to life for them. But what was clear in hearing Kyle Shanahan and other players talk about it afterwards

is that, you know, he has lost, Campbell lost a lot of people's respect in that locker room. I mean, you have a lot of guys who have a lot of things on the line. And it's difficult to get these opportunities in a film for somebody to willingly tap out and to do that to your teammates in a nationally televised game. It's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for him.

I got the Jets. I'm keeping it. They're playing the Jags. Okay, what kind of favorite are they against the Jags? Mac Jones, that's how I got to know them. I've got the Wizard of Oz helmet, so I get to pick a lion a tiger or a bear We should make a wicked helmet you have to pick a green or a pink team

Inter Miami I got the chief some keeper Okay, the chiefs are at the Browns. I don't like that one either. I don't like the chief I don't trust trust the Chiefs to win a road game James is just crazy enough to win that game He also will throw just enough pick sixes to make sure they don't Maybe that's true. Bengals are at the tight end I think he's been delivered by Black Jesus from those pick sixes He threw a couple bad picks last weekend, but they weren't pick sixes so maybe you're right Well, he did ask Black Jesus to deliver him from pick sixes. So that's what I'm saying There is that so David's got the Saints the Saints are a seven and a half point dog

at home and they're starting a new quarterback you want to keep that yes why Anders are fading fast Jake Hayner and then boys name the Saints you're gonna keep but you're gonna get the points, no, you know the points. It's straight up and oh no, you can't do that Do that I don't even know the rules and that seemed illegal he's got to pick a replacement Yeah, all right, I got the swap helmet give me that golden helmet Well, actually you kind of broke the order because David Son picked his second element. Jaguars, so they're three point dogs. First L coming there.

Wait, what's David's team? David, what's your team? He has to make the next year. He's got the Saints. I have the Saints. Colts, play. Andrew Hawkins has the Colts. They are at the Broncos.

They're a four and a half point dog. Tough team. So I should pick a new one. So I'm sorry, Jermell, yes, you get to pick another one, but this one's final. And Jermell, I'm gonna select for you, and then you can select whether you wanna keep it or not. And if you lose, you have to wear a costume of some sort

or suffer a punishment. The Texans are playing against the Dolphins at home. The Texans are a three point favorite. I'll take it. I like it. I'll keep that one. No, I'm sorry. That's not yours. That's Andrew Hawkins. Yours is the Falcons. Yours is the Falcons. The Falcons are at the Raiders and they're a four point favorite at the Raiders. Kirk Cousins is playing. Prime time. I'm aware, but you know, y'all would never make me hate Kirk Cousins because he went undefeated against Michigan

when he played for Michigan State, my alma mater. I'm gonna keep this, I believe. Come on Falcons. All right, there you go. And the Dolphins, by the way, in that Texans game, that's a show me something game. That's another show me something game for the Dolphins, beating the Texans on the road for your season

after a bye, the Texans on a bye. I happen to know the Saints are gonna win. That's a terrible pick by you. It's a terrible pick by you. It's the second biggest dog on the entire board. Jamel, thank you, appreciate the time, as always. Okay, part of me hopes I lose because I'd love to be in costume. That'd be pretty hilarious. I got some ideas already. All right. Great. I know Kirk Cousins is going to pull it off. So thank

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