The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Chris Wittyngham Sucks

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

We sit in amazement at how Craig Anderson swilled his champagne to celebrate the White Sox surpassing the 1962 Mets for the most losses of all time. Then, we get to some of the top stories from the NFL this weekend including Derrick Henry and the Ravens, Tom Brady clapping back at Baker Mayfield, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets losing to the Broncos and Jayden Daniels as an MVP hopeful. Plus, our favorite fancy lad, Chris Wittyngham joins the show to discuss his new GoalLess podcast on the SmartLess radio network, how he reacted to the Miami-Virginia Tech finish and why he can bite Roy's keester. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this show. A podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it.

And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. I think that's the way we keep up and grab the younger demo. I think that's, that is the way to do that. Craig swilled that champagne at 9.49 in the morning. That's a man who knows how to drink champagne. That's a man who's going to be sleeping at one o'clock for the Mets twin bill. I mean. Did you guys get surprised at all? I know we've seen this enough in football that I suppose you can only be so surprised. But Derrick Henry still running away from a secondary

at that size on the first play of a game going 87 yards when Crazy. When he plays football the way he plays football right it's not just that you're surprised by that the first time it happens or the first ten times it happens on a screen pass but he played football in the SEC and carried the ball a ton we've watched him play the prime of his career in a way that's more physical than any other running back in the sport and Still running away from the bills secondary Like you you have to appreciate what you're watching there in terms of physical specimen. You're watching greatness I mean, he's 30 years old. He's still doing that

He had 199 yards total for the game last night, and I'm not certain the Ravens aren't the best team in football I mean they're two and two but the Ravens are really good and Derek Henry is a special kind of player he is Loss of chiefs I mean you could say, I like their chances come playoff time. They could possibly win the AFC. But you can say, with a straight face, they're the best team in the NFL right now.

They lost to the reigning multi-time champion, who is presently 4-0. What I said is, I'm not certain. Yeah, that 4-0. Dan is right. I mean, it appears like something is off in Kansas City. I didn't say that. It's what you said last week. You spent the entire week saying it. Don't get, no. I'm responding to you. Sioux got major penalty five minutes forward talking about the Chiefs.

Let's have some vision. I'm saying the two and two team is the best team in the NFL. No one else is saying it. They lost at home to the Raiders. Lost it home to the Raiders. Are they for real? The Raiders? Yeah. No. This week they are?

No. Get out of here. From that Bills game, the Bills losing 35 to 10, there were a couple of results yesterday that you're like, explain that to me. Explain to me how it is that Philadelphia looks like that after the way Philadelphia looked last week.

Explain to me how the Falcons won without scoring an offensive touchdown. Great kicker. Great kicker. And Philadelphia lost like that in the playoffs to the same team. Defense and special teams too. Baker Mayfield was really good.

They were dropping perfect passes all day. Baker Mayfield was as impressive. He was, they were dropping perfect passes all day. Baker Mayfield was as impressive a quarterbacking display as we saw all this weekend. By the way, really interesting dynamic by a vastly improved Tom Brady. I was actually at a place where this was a lone game. I wasn't able to watch red zone. So I actually got to hear Tom Brady

for an extended period of time. He gave away great juicy nuggets. Like, I almost signed with the Chicago Bears. They were very stealthy in their approach to me. But then I put together this entire swat board as to why I picked Tampa Bay. So that was a great nugget. And him actually feuding on the air with Baker Mayfield

was a pretty interesting thing. Basically saying, well, like, I had a high stress environment over there. I'm sorry, I thought Stressful was not having Super Bowl rings. So hearing his approach, that's what Tom Breedy needs to bring every week. Because he is by far the most interesting person,

has had the most interesting career out of any of the commentators. His most illustrious career. So if we get that insight and we get him borrowing his stories from his own career, that's his secret sauce and I thought he was great. Let's read the quotes directly on how it is that Baker Mayfield and Tom Brady were going back and forth

because Baker Mayfield said on a podcast last week, obviously, this is a quote, obviously playing wise, Tom is different. He had everyone dialed in, high strung environment, so I think everybody was pretty stressed out. They wanted me to come in, be myself, bring the joy back to football for guys who weren't having as much fun.

And so, discussing this during the broadcast, Brady said, I thought stressful was not having Super Bowl rings. It's just a great sentence. And a very divorced sentence. I thought stressful was not having Super Bowl rings, so there was a mindset of a champion that I took to work every day. This wasn't daycare. If I was going to have fun, I'd go to Disneyland with my kids. There's a way to approach this game and it's with the right mindset to try to push each other outside

our comfort zone and great teammates do that. I have someone like Gronk, I have someone like Evans, there's high expectations for us. We've got to make sure we go out there and deliver. There's no one way to do it but I think Tom Brady speaks with a voice that his is the way to do it, but I think Tom Brady speaks with a voice that his is the way to do it, and there is no arguing that his way didn't work. Well, between the two of them, only one of them has done it, so. Correct. I'm going to side with Brady on this one.

I don't know whether Mahomes stresses out his teammates or not. It is funny to hear Tom Brady say that his was the way because he was always pushing his teammates It is also funny to see him clearly get agitated by what it is that Baker Mayfield said because When when Burkhard came to Brady and said oh man, this is still inside you, right? and he was like that will never leave me like this this feeling will never leave me of being defensive in this circumstance About how I did things as if it wasn't the right way to lead I'm kind of here for and I don't know if anyone is listening to probably not if any opposing Quarterbacks whose games Tom Brady is about to do or listening right now. Just take a shot at him every week

Like let's see how crazy we can drive Tom Brady with just like little subtle jabs at him, undercutting him or his career in some way. Because it seems like he's gonna come and he's gonna air it out on the broadcast. So I kinda hope that all the quarterbacks just start taking like little subtle digs at Tom Brady that week to see what they'll get him to say.

I did hear that towards the end of his time in Tampa, Brady was pretty much done with Mike Evans' general approach to football. And I'm sure it went both ways, and Mike Evans wanted something a little bit looser. Yes, there's more ways to win a title. You don't have to be as high-strung as Tom Brady was. But you mentioned there's multiple ways to do it.

There apparently is only one way to be the greatest quarterback of all time. And so when he speaks- Stressing everyone out? Yeah. There's one way to win seven titles. of all time. And so when he speaks- Stressing everyone out? Yeah. There's one way to win seven titles. Yeah, yeah. He's proven it.

And he's shown you too, that with Aaron Rodgers' performance over the weekend, that he put the standard for aging quarterbacks at such a ridiculous place that we were convincing ourselves. Guys like Aaron and Drew Brees could do it just because Tom was. And maybe that this, we were in a whole new era of science. Nobody still, the science is still evolving

and is as good for these guys. Nobody was Tom who was beating Patrick Mahomes in Super Bowls damn near his mid 40s. Incredible. We will get to that Jets game in a second because I don't know if the assessment in the rain is something I'm ready to make when they just kept blitzing Aaron Rodgers

and what Aaron Rodgers needed to be great that Tom Brady never needed to be great was the mobility that Aaron Rodgers no longer has. And so if you blitz him like that in the rain, all of a sudden what you're gonna end up getting is a quarterback who cannot move the way that he used to and has lost his youth with his legs will get to that in a second but from that ravens bills game that the bills lost by 25 points another thing that made an appearance beyond derrick henry this

stat from next-gen stats to guys josh allen had a throw to Shakir on the sideline for 52 yards when he was within a yard of the sideline he was point nine yards away from the sideline that was an incredible throw and I know the stat and it's incredible that's right next gen stats it's a 52 yard completion and as to God said point nine yards away from the sideline in that situation in his career Josh Allen is six of seven for a hundred and eighteen yards and three touchdown passes the rest of the NFL is one for 16 he should just play from the sideline he should just play point nine yards from the sideline you said Baker Mayfield had the most impressive quarterbacking

performance of the week and he did not Daniels did and I can't believe what's happening there the commanders have the most efficient offense in the sport through four games Daniels is the MVP of the league that's I mean that's nuts yeah that's it's just crazy how he's playing you're not supposed to be able to complete all your passes when you just got to the league and everything's supposed to be moving too fast for you. The Dan LeBattard Show with Stu Gott is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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I wanna talk about a team that I actually want to see come playoff time. I wanna see the Chiefs. Oh, StuGuts. I want Patrick Mahomes strolling into my stadium with max confidence. I want Travis Kelce. I want Taylor Swift. I want the team that lost to Jordan Love. I want the team that lost to Aiden O'Connell. I want the team that trailed 17 to nothing to Jake Browning. That is the team that I would like to face in the playoffs.

That's the team indeed that I would want to face in the playoffs because that team is not very good. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. I did manage to do to catch because the University of Miami result wasn't going to make an appearance at the end of that Jets game. I was in a restaurant and I saw on the television, I'm with one of my friends and we see the late game situation of the Broncos are up by a couple of points and the Jets have the ball in their own territory with Aaron Rodgers as the quarterback

and my friend says the Broncos could have two defenses on the field right now and Aaron Rogers is going to win this game. Sure, yeah. And Aaron Rogers did what you've wanted a quarterback to do for the Jets for a very long time which is get his team in the field goal position to win the game after being bad all game and after having only three field goals all game and then Zirline is the one who lets you down because the Jets are being the Jets. You get a pass interference call, two games were decided

yesterday by, at least two that I saw, by pass interference call. The Falcons game at the end, I don't know why more teams don't do this late. Just get the 40 yards on a pass interference call. Just take the shot. Just throw it up. For 30 and 40 yards down field because you got the two pass interference calls

And the Jets did get into position and however down you are on the Jets today because you said they will not have shown me Anything unless they beat the Broncos by three touchdowns and they end up losing at home to the Broncos What do you have is a quarterback that you trust late to gods because if they lost that game it at the end It's not because of Aaron Rodgers You can you can say before that Aaron Rodgers wasn't good enough, but at the end, he was good enough. He was fine. Aaron Rodgers, Dan, put them in that position with his play. That team played lousy yesterday.

Defense played good enough, obviously. Boeniks had negative seven yards of passing at half, and the Jets still lost the game. I'm going to put this on Aaron Rodgers. He made me feel great last week against New England. He played a near flawless game. But this is on Aaron. We didn't get Aaron Rodgers to score nine points against a lousy Bronco team at home. We didn't get him for that. We didn't get Aaron Rodgers so Bo Nix could beat him on the road and throw his first touchdown pass while doing so. That's not the reason we got Aaron Rodgers. I've seen the Jets play this game for 40 years.

And for one year, I just want to see something different. And what I saw yesterday was everything I've seen for four decades of being a jet fan, and that's on Aaron Rodgers. He did not play well yesterday from start to finish. He got banged up towards the end. You could blame the kicker all you want. That game should have been over by halftime, and it wasn't. And the reason it wasn't is because Aaron's not playing that well. And you can't be the Yoda of quarterbacks walking around the Jets facility telling

everyone this is how you win, this is what you have to do and come out and go 24 of 42 for 225 yards. You can't do it. They're a better team. They should have beaten that team. The game never should have came down to a kick and all of it and I mean all of it. It's not on Robert Salah. It's not on the Jets defense. It's not on the Salah. It's not on the Jets defense. It's not on the running game. It's not on Nathaniel Hackett. It's on Aaron. What happened yesterday is on Aaron Rodgers.

Rackham. That's a great take. Zach Wilson was on that sideline for the Broncos, and he got run out of town for throwing up the effort Aaron Rodgers did on Sunday. It drives me crazy. I give him credit for making me feel a way I've never felt before 40 years of being a JetFat.

That was last week against New England. This year felt like every other game that I have ever watched. But more frustrating because this time I actually have a quarterback. But a quarterback who played bad. He was bad yesterday. Have you guys ever seen the Bo Nik stat line at halftime of seven

completions for negative seven passing yards? Is that something that any of us have ever seen before where you go seven for 15 for negative seven passing yards because that's what the Jets lost to yesterday. I'm not going to disagree with you on what happened earlier. You're emotional and I understand why because losing it home to the Broncos in a season of expectations that Aaron Rodgers has lifted is gonna make any kind of Jets fan mad, but at the end of the game on the last drive, even though it was all dink and dunk, because it was all dink and dunk, he got them

in position to win the football game. That's not up for dispute, you can't say it's all Aaron Rodgers' fault when you've got what what are you looking at me like that? It's a kick and they got like they got in cuz he didn't put them in position to win that game They missed a kick and they got the ball Cousins gets to be a winner yesterday because Kuhn makes a kick from from 58 yards So he gets to be cousins gets to be clutch late in the game. But you're attributing like a matriculation

down the field that didn't happen. Like Aaron Rodgers did not get them in position for that field goal, they got the ball at midfield. They missed the field goal and got the ball right there. Then he drove them, I don't know, 12, 15 yards, 20 yards. He literally needed to make a play. He even got a call. He even got a call in that process to help him get that win.

And he still couldn't do anything. And he was blaming the weather. And yeah, the weather was bad, but we mentioned Tom Brady. And that's who, and Rogers is compared to. Tom Brady was the greatest bad weather quarterback of all time. You gotta beat an NFL team when your defense holds the other team to 10 points.

Especially when that team is quarterbacked by Bo Nicks. You gotta win that game. That's what you brought him in there for. That's what last season was an abomination for the Jets. Not only was he not playing, not only did he get injured his first series as a Jet, but he was also making national headlines all year and they were just swallowing it because you brought him in for a reason. And that reason wasn't to lose to Zach Wilson's new team. Well,

they put up 10 points. The reason you bring in Aaron Rogers is so that game doesn't come down to a field goal. Like every other game I've ever watched the Jets play. I mean, or every game in the NFL that's played every single week. I know, but Dan, this guy is supposed to be different and he has been different, at least for a week. I just want to see it every single week. I know but Dan this guy is supposed to be different and he has been different at least for a week. I just want to see it every single week. On the positive side the Jets are two and two. The Bills are three and one. The Dolphins and Patriots don't appear to be very good. So if there is a bright side, the Jets do have a chance here. I just

yesterday was so frustrated. I don't care about the weather. I don't care about Robert Salah. I have an all-time quarterback and that all-time quarterback played horrifically yesterday. Terrible. What a sad football weekend for you. Like you missed the UM game. I'm sure you missed Georgia, Alabama and one of the two games you saw was Jets Broncos. Bad game. Just the end of it too. I apologized to Abby. I Abby for making her watch it. I did. I had to apologize. I'm like, this game is lousy. You just turned, you said, I'm sorry?

She said, I'm not watching it. What are you talking about? You missed a really cool video from the Miami Virginia Tech game two. The sidelines are rocking again because Miami's back. Michael Irvin was just a presence to say the least. We have a video of, I want you to pay attention, and hopefully this video has sound.

You could hear a pin drop in the stadium as everybody is waiting for the call. And I wish I knew who took this video so I could credit them. But here's a video isolated on Jason Taylor, a D-line coach for Miami, waiting to see what the call was and hear this crowd. The stadium was really fun on Friday night. Hear this crowd erupt.

How long can you give me a count for how many minutes it took? I'm still maintaining Michael Irvin. I'm still maintaining that a football game has never ended this way before just everyone milling about waiting for the officials for 25 minutes before you can celebrate and no one can leave. I'm assuming you guys have been to all of these games. Oh, plenty of people left. I'm assuming that people are going to their cars without knowing what the result is.

They're like me at the Pearl Jam concert with the phone in the pocket, not knowing what actually happened in the game. What are the people outside who are trying to beat traffic? What is their reaction when they hear the stadium erupt as the Q2 they've watched a whole football game without knowing the result until they get to the parking lot? Like Kirk Gibson's home run.

Well, they already knew the results. It just wasn't confirmed by the replay. No, they didn't. They didn't. Yeah, no, they knew, ah, touchdown, we won. Well, they already knew the results. It just wasn't confirmed by the They knew I touched down we once and then they left by the way Michael Irvin looked like he jumped in a pool in like the first quarter like that's a lot of sweat that he's doing Was it that hot? Of course. It's Miami. It's what no one else looked as drenched as Michael Irvin did Those people left the stadium thinking that Virginia Tech had won, correct? No, they left thinking that that was a game-winning touchdown.

The lights were doing the thing, and they left. They thought the game was over on a touchdown. But a game-winning touchdown would be Virginia Tech winning. Yeah, what Billy is saying is they turn their back after they see the Miami player run to midfield with a ball in his hand, and the lights go there. And they're like, OK, let's head to the car. Meanwhile, five seconds later, the referees throwing touchdown signals in the air

and Virginia Tech's taking the field. In this scenario, we're already walking to our car. We're in the mezzanine level. There have to be people who are trying to beat traffic. That is something that happens all over South Florida. It happens at concerts. Do you guys often leave before the encore because you're- I left game six of the NBA finals, Ray Allen shot.

I mean, you're talking to the wrong person here. You're trying to beat traffic. You're trying to beat everybody else, and you miss important and good things. No one has yet to tell me, though, how much time elapsed. The elapsed time between when you thought the game ended, in real time, when you thought, it's a weird thing. You guys are basically telling me

that people are milling about for about a quarter of football, the real time of about a quarter, there's a fifth quarter of football that you're just sitting around waiting for an officiating ruling. It felt like forever. It was like 20 legitimate minutes, it was a really long time.

You could have told me that it was four minutes. You could have told me that it was a half hour. I had no real concept of time. Forever. My heart had fallen out of my ass at that point. But this is what I, the reason I want to examine this is because you specifically being in a special purgatory where you care so emotionally about this team and you're just in a stew of both rage and what is coming

my way is America about to delight in the way that I have lost this football game because I'm going to get jobbed by an officiating call. Right and I trust me it would have been many times worse. In my box I have the feeds, but I don't hear the broadcasters. I went home after that game, by the way, wonderful day to shut down the 826, just masterful planning by our community leaders.

The main road out of there. Let's just close it down after a game. 826 game, not the turnpike. I tried to do both, but they tried to direct you one way, you're stuck with it. Go and vote. Yeah, but I watched the game not the turn plank. I tried to do both, but they tried to direct you one way. You're stuck with it. Go and vote. Yeah, but I watched the game on the key plays. No one's going to fix the 826.

I hate to tell you guys. Whoever's lying to you telling you that if you vote for them, they're going to fix the 826, it's impossible. They've been trying to fix that for about 25 years, maybe even 30. I watched the end of the broadcast when I finally got back home.

I got home close to 2 AM. That's how late I was out in traffic. And I saw the broadcast and I was like, thank God I didn't have the sound here. Because if I were watching that broadcast, and it honestly established a narrative, because he was hammering, you can't overturn this call on the field.

Not a moment was spent on the call on the field was wrong. It's just, well, it's all ambiguous and it's a game of interest, so you gotta go with what the ref said. I would have been so nervous if I were watching that game. Stugatz, that one is always fascinating to me. People vastly underestimate how much the broadcasters influence the way people watching react to that stuff.

You said it was Andre Ware who was doing that. They can absolutely establish with indignance, for as much as we hate the broadcasters all the time and complain about the broadcasters, what you rarely see in that instance is a groundswell of people yelling at the broadcaster. The broadcaster influences more the people watching when he goes with whatever his or her opinion is,

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It's presented by LinkedIn jobs. Post your job for free at linkedin.com slash prep terms and conditions apply. Chris Whittingham is a fancy lad. I and many people have admired what Jason Bateman, Will Arnett and Sean Hayes have built with SmartList. It's legitimately one of the most popular podcasts in America, bigger than the Kelseys, bigger than Jon Stewart. They're building it into a legitimate empire.

They have shows with Johnny Knoxville, Rex Chapman. They've got a big deal with SiriusXM. You can find us there too. And now SmartList, Sirius and Metal Arca are partnering on a new show that's already one of the most popular sports podcasts in America. It's called Goal-Less. Hmm, like the sport. Goal-Less. It's a funny show about soccer, the Champions League specifically, Mondays and Thursdays including Mike Ryan every Monday on the SiriusXM app and wherever you get your podcasts.

It's hosted by the massively popular British comedian Russell Howard and this guy, Chris Whittingham. So look at him, look at that big smile. Whittingham, we're bringing you in because we wanna get your thoughts here on the ending of the University of Miami Virginia Tech game. We wanna understand what it is that you as a professional, impartial broadcaster who doesn't like to bother Mike Ryan at all,

what you thought of the end of that football game. Wait, when do I like to bother Mike Ryan? I don't like to bother him at all. I said who doesn't like to bother Mike Ryan at all. That's what I just said. It seemed sarcastic. It felt like a jab. It felt like there is this implication that I do like to bother Mike Ryan. There is that whole hockey thing. I felt it. There is that whole hockey thing. I felt it. There is that whole hockey thing.

Don't get me started with that again. That's not aimed at you. It wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at me. It was aimed at Paul Maurice and Matthew Kachuk. I don't like them. Those losers. Right. Exactly. Finally, common ground that we can agree on. Yeah. Did you guys not find that uproariously funny, the end of that Miami Hurricanes game? If you can separate yourself from the outcome, that was hilarious.

That is as funny of an ending of a college football game as I've ever seen, even down to the manner in which the Miami Hurricanes acquired that lead. Cameron Ward is throwing to a receiver on the ground. He was on the ground and somehow he caught it. Shoveling pass and then this play is absolutely ridiculous. And honestly, it's one of the few instances, and obviously there was lots of refereeing talk.

Mike likes to talk about the referees. A lot of Hurricanes fans like to talk about the referees. But this was one of the rare instances where common sense prevailed over what our eyes were seeing, which was, I don't think on video review you could overturn that, but common sense, I think all of us watching, that's not, he didn't catch that. And you just stare at it over and over again, the mass of bodies, and you're just like, he didn't catch that. I can't see it from my own eyes, but I'm certain that no one, I couldn't even identify who

on Virginia Tech did catch it, even if indeed you thought it was a catch. I just thought the whole thing was hilarious. When does that ever happen? I don't think that ever is officiating what it's supposed to be, which is please be an arbiter of human judgment. I believe what they do is generally just stick to the rules as strictly as they possibly can and Common-sense tends to get swallowed in that instance and I would assume in this instance that you would have expected it to again get swallowed because technically

The call on the field should stand unless you're using common sense Right, which is exactly what, as you said, the referees did there. And also, not to drift off into conspiracy land, but when you're staring at it for six minutes, you have to imagine part of the calculus will be, well, hang on a second, Virginia Tech is already lost to Rutgers and Vanderbilt.

Miami is probably the ACC's lone hope of getting into the college football playoff. That's wrong. If you're gonna air one way, you're gonna air on the side of the team that can into the college football playoff. That's wrong. If you're gonna air one way, you're gonna air on the side of the team that can make the college football playoff. And so normally Miami appears to be on the wrong end of, as Joe Zagacki would say on the radio, Greensboro conspiracies. But now I guess this is maybe the one time that it probably does go in their favor. Don't you dare disrespect Rutgers and Vanderbilt again.

Those are good teams. They're okay teams. Are they? Rutgers is going... You started it okay. Rutgers is Miami's last... Drifted to okay very quickly. She got carried away with Vandy.

Rutgers, Vandy could be four and all. They're like a couple plays away from four and all. They're not. They are, Diego Pavia is really good. And Rutgers is the last team to have beaten Miami and they will most likely make it to a bowl game this year and they beat Washington in a great game on Saturday. So you gotta put some respect on Rutgers.

They are back, that's the birthplace of college football. I love Stegots arguing about Vandy having not watched a Vandy game. Why would I? Knowing nothing about any Vandy. Not ever having watched a Vandy game. Not just this year. A real Vandy expert over there? You didn't watch any of the games. I'm not sitting here making any kinds of arguments with a great deal of verve about what I don't know.

Lucy, welcome. It's nice to see you. The University of Miami, do you disagree with anything that Whittingham had to say there? I walked in late, I didn't hear anything. I just heard him disrespect Rutgers and Vanderbilt, and that made me really, really angry. Your University of Miami Virginia Tech opinion at the end of that game. It was the right call.

I don't know what happened. You couldn't tell, nothing was clear. I just am confused on what, it was the right call. Yes, I think at the end of the day, the right result was made, but like, you called it a catch, and then you said it wasn't a catch. My whole thing is I wish that the ref had said something more than just like, call was overturned.

He gave zero explanation. He just said, ah, changed our minds, and then that was it, and we were like, okay, what else? That's an excellent point. The ACC put out a statement and they clarified what happened there was, it was a loose ball that was touched by a player that was out of bounds, which makes the entire play dead.

That would have been a great explanation there. But at that point, the story and the social media banter has just gotten all out of control. When you put out a statement though, that's going too far. Like to try to explain yourself, like just scoreboard, that's it, game's over, move on. It's never good when you're reminded Al Riveron's in charge of everything. I mean, officials don't need to make a statement about a call, it's absurd. And it's also not even the social media banter, it's the reactions of the two teams.

Because Miami had already celebrated with flickering lights, which by the way, let's ban flickering lights in any form of celebration. Yes. It doesn't help anyone. The television cameras can't see a damn thing. We're trying to figure out what the hell is going on and you're flickering the lights. Hey, we won. Flicker the lights.

But then, so Miami has already celebrated the victory and then the referee gets on the mic. I can only imagine how the stadium's collective hearts dropped when the referee gets on the mic and goes the ruling on the field is a touchdown and you're going huh how did we get there and then the Virginia Tech players and fans have spent a six minute long review thinking that they've won the game so one way or another the ACC explanation is not going to suffice for a group of people thinking that they've won the game. So one way or another, the ACC explanation is not going to suffice for a group of people that think they have won a football game.

We're talking so much about this call and not enough about how Brent Pry has no clue how to manage a game clock at all. That was some of the most atrocious coaching I have ever seen. Like, there was a point where I was like, I don't think he knows how much time is left. I genuinely don't think he has any idea what's on the clock.

Like, absolutely batshit because that game probably should have come down to a couple long shots for Virginia Tech to score, but he did such a bad job managing the clock that they were put in that position. So like, doesn't really matter at the end of the day what the call was. Obviously it went in Miami's favor,

but like, brother, you did a terrible job. Also the weird fake field goal, Brent, you gotta calm down, okay? It's just we're up here. I need you down here. That was their moment to kill the game It was their moment to kill the game and on fourth and three with how they had effectively run the ball Especially that one pitch play did the the ninth time that pitch play out wide work No one in the Miami defensive staff go we should probably work on the pitch play But either way the fact that they went for the fake field goal,

instead of doing what they had done all game, which is run down Miami's throats. Do you know how bad you have to be at coaching for Lucy to come in here and say that in a game that involved Mario Cristobal? That was the craziest part. All I thought was Mario's gonna be like, this is good stuff, I'm writing this down. My God, I would have done the same thing. But Dan, you have the number 20 20 behind you you've been doing the show

for 20 years how many times have we seen that Miami Hurricanes performance outsized expectations going into a game you're like oh man we're down two scores at home to two and two Virginia Tech and that's happened so many times and to Cristobal's credit he did say after the game we've lost that game every time over 20 years but the matter in which you won it does not exactly leave you convinced. I want to get back to what Stugatz is arguing on behalf of though. He says that the officials shouldn't put out a statement or explanation of any kind. Stugatz just wants mass confusion and anarchy and is saying it's absurd and asinine for

the official, for the conference to explain what the ruling was. Sometimes too much information is exactly that. It's too much information. It makes you look guilty. I mean, when do referees come up and put out a statement? Every time that there's a controversial call. I don't want to hear it. In every league where money's gambled on games.

And what I'm telling them to do is stop doing it. They have a job to do. It's a very difficult job. Make your calls and move on. Dan, you give too much information. It makes you look like you did something wrong. You're trying to prove the other side. Don't do it.

You're the rep. You're on the field. You made the call. Move on. This is funny coming from Stugat's known liar who loves to give extra details on things so you think he's not lying. And I'm telling you, it's got me into trouble. I mean, you need to stop. That's it. Like,

just stop trying to prove everything because, Dan, then one lie gets entangled into another lie and then into another lie. And then suddenly you start off trying to tell the truth, but eventually it becomes what it was to begin with, a lie. So you're saying that what you would prefer is just for them to go, touch down, no touch down, walk off the field, no explanation. That's what you're arguing on behalf of. No statements. That's literally what they did though.

Like that's what happened at the game. I am curious to get a broadcaster's perspective on this because you mentioned that how many times do you see a game in like this in college football? Not often, but you actually see this happen plenty of times in soccer where a result is just totally hinging on a long drawn out replay by an official. And you often have no idea what they're going to come back with. Witte, you're often finding yourself in this position.

You're no stranger to it. Are you careful with how you frame things because you don't want to be accused because where was pretty clearly leaning into you can't overturn the call on the field and that established a talking point for an entire nation so I'm curious as to what your approach is when you find yourself in a similar situation. Yeah I obviously the analysts can feel free to say whatever they want but I feel like my job is to one, try and perceive what they're looking at. And because sometimes when you look at VAR decisions in soccer, you can be looking at

offside, you can be looking at a foul, you can be looking at a penalty, whatever you're looking at, it could potentially completely swing. And so I am trying to, when I'm in those instances, present every version of events, including the least likely and often the decision. Because sometimes viewers will watch an incident and go, well, how did they come to that call? And I'm doing my best based off of all the knowledge of the rules that I have to present what could be any possible outcome. That way viewers at the various are not caught off guard

by what's going on. But obviously the analysis is the biggest part of that, especially when it comes to rules experts. Because like you said, I do think the television broadcast goes a long way in determining how people feel. I actually kind of most learned this lesson from when the Miami Hurricanes lost the national championship to Ohio State in 2002 because a legion of fans are still upset about that. And I think a big part of the reason why, beyond obviously your own visual perception of the event, is that past interference call in that Ohio State National Championship,

Dan Fouts was the analyst on the game, and when they show the replay, he goes, bad call, bad call, like he is shouting it at the top of his lungs. And I really do think that set the framing for how people perceive that event. So you have to, at the very least, try and present a sober, both sides view of what could possibly happen.

Speaking of not sober, not both sides as a view, Roy, how do you feel just seeing the face of Chris Whittingham as somebody who was poisonously anti panthers out of nowhere after being a lifelong South Floridian trader? You are absolutely a traitor. And it was the dumbest take I've ever heard, quite frankly. Wow. The dumbest ever.

Yes. Ever. Really? That the Panthers trading for Matthew Kachuck made him hate the Panthers because they were the antithesis of fun and made him become a Rangers fan. And it came right back to bite him in the ass. Well, if McDavid did what McDavid was promised he would do

Yes, it'd be a different. Yes. Well. He did it now did he I will shut down by all these in a ball The rest of my life overrated huh? There you go. Just like the billboards said exactly Mm-hmm. No we didn't Billy we got billboards up somewhere didn't we no we did yeah We got no I think we did we got like five Greg Cody was right billboards up here locally, I believe. I'll look into this. Okay, thank you for all your hard work. I actually have an image from the weekend.

Yesterday, I went on a family day and I had the privilege, the honor, to meet Stan. Woody, we have a photo right here. If you can see in this photo with my daughter there, I'm pointing exactly to the point on the Stanley Cup where it says, you suck ass. Right there. They engraved it. Really? They got that engraved in their chocolate? Yeah, they got it engraved right there. It says, Chris Whittingham sucks ass.

I don't understand this Stanley Cup where sometimes you can touch it, sometimes you can't touch it, and then there's guards where they wear gloves, but then you can just go up to it with kids and put your fingers on it. Explain the Stanley Cup to me it's all who you know it's not sacred at all it you can do whatever you if you can eat cereal out of the Stanley Cup it is not a trophy to be revered or respected so this event that I was at yesterday what it is second dumbest thing I've ever heard famous of trophy there's like three of them also, right? At this event, this was the actual one, not the fake one.

There were two people from the Hockey Hall of Fame there with the white gloves, making sure that, only certain people could touch it. Like, there was a representative from the Panthers there. He could do basically whatever he wanted with it because he was a part of the organization that won the Stanley Cup. But if someone else were to try to be as cavalier with the with the cup

They would be stopped immediately and they would defer to the member of the organization as to whether or not they can move forward With it, but they are pretty tough with it Whittingham what are you guys trying to do with goalless? Well, I think the first thing is it's not my job It's the job of Russell Howard a professional comedian, but to present a more comedic view on the game. But I think the biggest thing from an actual soccer standpoint is, I think cover a tournament that's the biggest club tournament in the world, that's not really covered specifically by anything. Because the UEFA Champions League, for me, is the best soccer tournament in the world. And it's mostly covered through the prism of whichever country that media originates from, whether that be England or Spain or France or Italy

or Germany, but for me the Champions League I think is a competition that is almost under covered in a weird way because it's not covered from a holistic, here's the whole picture of the entire tournament and all the teams in it. So I think from an actual content standpoint that's what we're trying to do, but obviously Russell Howard is absolutely brilliant, he's hilarious and obviously we're we're partnered up with goal lists and or with smart list excuse me the podcast is goal list but smart lists is presenting you know one of the funniest content outputs in the world so I think that's a big part of it so we're trying to go light-hearted we're also

trying to cover this tournament properly so those are the two main goals good to see you wedding him thank you for stopping through oh it's good to see everybody despite the fact that everyone appears to hate me. Yeah, I love you, Whittingham. That's on you. I don't know you that well. Yeah, they said that you both suck ass and were bitten in the ass. So those are both things that you were accused of during this.

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