The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: David Is Afraid

Episode Date: June 26, 2023

Mike kicks off a conversation about 'Beau Is Afraid' that helps us learn the ways David Samson copes with fear while he's in a hotel. David also has his Top 5 Things Better Than Playing The Immaculate Grid and seemingly salivates over the idea of taking advantage of Bob Ross...if he were still around. Then, the crew has some breakfast complaints, the Phillies announcer is upset by a home run celebration, Shams' NBA Draft reporting causes some questions about journalism, and the Draymond Green-Jordan Poole beef has some new details. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big suite, presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there.

That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. David Samson continues to hack and cough and wheeze. He's got a couple of cups over there that he is spitting into. He is playing hurt.

He is, I think, a little bit wounded on a couple of fronts that Metal Arc didn't treat him more kindly upon arrival and that he's playing sick and he looks around and he sees that a lot of people are missing. Which I guess I was told because I got the important email to get down here and this time of year, it's not easy to get to Miami with storms and flights getting diverted.

There's an absence of air traffic controllers, takes forever to get your luggage. And I had a check bags because I'm here for a period of time which I don't know, but I said that I'd come, I go to check in, oh, you're with the Levitard show. I'm sorry, what? What? I'm agreeing to me.

You are, as you well know, a contingency plan for this show. This is not a surprise to you. This was one of the terms I was discussed. You are not allowed to publicly lament being a contingency plan. I'm happy to be the rubber arm. I'm just if there's a way that we would treat our rubber arm guys, they'd still get nice rooms on the road. They still got the podium.

They still got to fly in the charter. They still got a uniform and the clubby still wash the jocks. Okay, no one at Metal Arc is going to wash your jock. We have a good arrangement with the Elser hotel that takes care of us very well. I made a reservation on my own. I don't know what happened. Okay. You should have gone through us somewhere.

Who? I'll walk you across the hall. I'd like to do gotchas here today. So this is all a surprise. Well, this is part of what the problem is around here. We have New York offices as well because though that's where David works. And he can't ask anybody there how to get flight and hotel taking care of in a contingency emergency.

That's all right, you can just write it off. You have experience writing stuff off. I will write it off. I'm gonna expense it. Here you go. You know what I mean? Obviously. So you're just playing a man in the middle today, dude.

We're happy to see you. I don't wanna do this thing where it's like, oh, I'm a wet blanket and nobody likes me. We like, we just play the Immaculate Grid. Well he's got carrying water from Mickey Harrison. He's got an Immaculate Grid of things that are better than Mike's Immaculate Grid. Number five David Samson. It passed over Sator with your in-laws. Oh man. What are you doing? That's better than playing the Immaculate Grid. Number four! Number four is running 26.2 miles.

That's better than the immaculate grid. So far, this list has a flawed because they're all things that you've actually done, but the immaculate grid is not something that you've actually done. Number three. Whirtle. Did you do Whirtle? I got into. I got it. I was into word until I realized that I was at 12 midnight. Does it make the great come out at midnight? Yes.

So are you finding yourself at midnight doing it? Yes. Okay, I was doing the same thing with world. Like, sure, so lucky because it comes out at 9 p.m. Yeah. No, so, word comes out at midnight wherever you are. Wow. Wherever your phone is.

But then people have the technology. What? It's location. How do they have that technology? How do they do it? Tony, you can't question that over the year when you accuse the ancient Egyptians of having that technology.

A different story, though. You do think time zones are taking over? And also it's a sundial. It's not. It's actually based on the sun. I don't know about that. The axis of the earth. Any of this ringing true?

Samson. If we were all on the same time zone, then it would be dark in half the places during the day. It is in someplace else. It is. Yeah. Don't place the sun doesn't come up for a while. You ever watching Sound Yeah?

Is Bow is afraid of scary movie? No. No, no. You get my list to watch, but I wanted to watch it in the hotel because there's people around that I can't watch it alone. And my view was that if I get too scared, I can go to the front desk. What? I go.

Yes, you're not scared. I need to tell you about this. What, you may as well go ahead, go ahead. So I do things in a hotel that I won't do in my house. You run the front desk when you're scared? because I know that I can go to the front desk and it's manned 24 hours actually there's if you do that there is a scene in the in bow is afraid where he Runs to the lobby when he's scared and he's only met with more fright So that doesn't

You didn't just come in here and say, where's my flight, where's my room, where's my water. If I watch a scary movie, I need someone at the front desk. I'm in my 50s. That's not what just happened here. That's not what just happened. It's exactly what just happened.

You're an adult. You've raised kids. You could be a grandpa. He does not like scary movies whatsoever. I'm scared. So Bo is afraid is a third film from filmmaker Ariaster who's done two suspenseful movies, mid-summer and hereditary,

which for my money is the most terrifying movie ever made. And the first one could be X for horror. Yeah. X, like a triple X, it could be X for horror. Yeah. X, like a triple X, it could be pornographic for horror. Oh, hereditary? Yeah, both of them. Has the most, you tell me midsummer's not hard, I still won't watch. No, midsummer stays with you.

I mean, hereditary stayed with me since I first watched it. Midsummer stays with you, but it's not conventionally scary. I mean, the visuals that hereditary comes up with are just some of the most terrifying You'll find in cinema midsummer is a lot softer than that. I think the entry ramp the entry ramp to Bow to Oriassor is certainly Bow is afraid. It's a very ambitious film and There's a lot of theories on it. I think quite Obviously, it's an homage to the Truman Show because there's almost a shot for shot recreation

where it's not even that, it's a pretty heavy-handed homage to Truman Show. I believe, and I know that's one of your favorite films, David, so this is like, consider it a very dark, twisted homage to the Truman Show. The room is full of people always, I mean, it's empty now, but I'll keep track of when certain people coming, but when I do my movie lists, which we can't do because yet, and ends on vacation also. So I'm doing a top five

list Wednesday alone. Everybody's on vacation. Well, we were in the middle of your current top five list that we didn't finish. Number two, I lost it. I got it back. Scary movie? Yes. I want to go back to this. I'm not ready to do my top two yet because I need to know that I'm normal for using the lobby as a pacifier. Now you got me thinking about her redditary and I just got the chills. Do people not do that?

What do you talk to the lobby people about? You're strolling and be like, hey buddy. Teeth brush, toothbrush. So I lived in a hotel mantra offer two and a half years, and I had a relationship with everyone in the lobby because they knew that I would come down from time to time if I couldn't sleep, or if something was scary me or there were noises,

I had an outlet, and so I knew the shifts. And so when I got in last night to the answer after all of the delays, my woman was there, who there's two people at the else are always, right? One is at the mid-center desk, and then there's people to check in. 24 hours. It's amazing. I can't get room service, but I can get company. Do you like films that speak directly to you? Like that it's something that you go through on a daily basis,

and if a character's going through it, you identify it and it makes you enjoy more, or do you find it triggering? Because Bo lives in a state of perpetual fear and it sounds like you do too. I don't live in a state of perpetual fear. I do live in a state of perpetual optionality where things can happen and I'm always examining the field. Yeah, don't watch Bo's afraid. I think it's gonna trigger you.

But I have the lobby. This is the moment. It has to be now. Bo has a lobby and it's like surrounded you. But I have the lobby. This is the moment. It has to be now. The bow has a lobby and it's like surrounded by some of his greatest fears. What do you tell them? Like they know you're just scared when you go down? No, I don't often say it. I just, I'll come down. I mask it in. Can I have more towels? You drape your fear literally in towels.

Can I, you're upset? You can't predict it. But If you don't like scary movies while watching, just don't watch them. But how are you such a child? How is that possible? You ran a team you built a stadium. You know what you had to do? Do you travel with a Roku? I used to travel with a, I don't know what a Roku is. It's a Roku is

like a streaming device. No, I, I have the Wi-Fi. Well, Roku has one of my favorite things going right now, which is the Bob Ross channel. It's just a 24 hour stream of Bob Ross. The painter. Yeah, and all you have to do is see if you're here and do watch him. No, no, he is Bob Ross.

What a talent. I've only watched him in that state. I don't think you watch him any other way. I was watching Bob Ross. I was fixated on Bob Ross. That's the story is Bob Ross. What about him? I've only watched him in that state. I don't think you watch him any other way. I was watching Bob Ross. I was fixated on Bob Ross. That's the story, Bob Ross. Wait, now that you mentioned that, it was pretty stoned. So there was a documentary about him that I reviewed on nothing personal.

A very interesting documentary. And there's a film with Owen Wilson. Is that about Bob Ross? The On Wilson painting movie? I mean, it's very clearly an avatar for Bob Ross. I think it is about Bob Ross. It's the same perme has. Billy, what is the sad story?

Bob Ross, he just had everybody around him just took advantage of him. And he kind of died in obscurity seemingly out of money and not alone, but it's just very, well, the other hair was faced. The hair was fake, yeah. But it aged throughout time. It wasn't his natural do.

He did it every day. Yeah. So it's not that you mean the guy that's so honest. He didn't, it wasn't his natural do. He did it every day. Yeah. So it's not that you got it. You mean to tell me he didn't have a natural afro. Mm-hmm. What actually happened to him is what happens to celebrities and boy bands all the time. They get taken advantage of by smart people.

Bob Ross got taken advantage of by people in business. Smart and cruel. I, those aren't necessarily. I like to call call pieces of shit wow yeah well someone's got to run a business but you don't have to talk about all making fun but what what bob ross he signed a deal

those deals that record executive sign that take advantage of the bands it's not like those bands have people running down their desk to take their singles that's weird rationale that's how it works though. But Bob Ross is such a kind soul and he's done so much to soothe people. Who could do such a thing?

I would have easily. Yeah. Back in the day, are you kidding a chance to take Bob Ross? Take advantage of Bob Ross? Are you salivating right now? Are you fantasizing about taking advantage of Bob Ross You're Why you just saw you just saw the

Help you rip it in a jacket. I love him. He just Salivated at the idea of being able to manipulate Bob Ross is fortune away from him Not away from it. You want to poshimously take to manipulate Bob Ross's fortune away from it. Not away from it. You want to poshimously take advantage of Bob Ross. Absolutely not. After someone else has already done it. After everyone else. After everyone else.

There's nothing there. Billy, Billy, why do you know this? Got to watch the movie. Yeah. And you just were made sad. Yeah, it was sad. How they took advantage of the guy. I watched the documentary yesterday during my 10 hour travel day. That made me made sad. Yeah, we're sad. How they took advantage of the guy. I watched the documentary yesterday

during my 10 hour travel day. That made me very sad. So movies can make you sad. The real life, real life is a- What do you think the, you think there are a lot of people in the audience who often go to the hotel lobby because they are scared by a movie in their room?

You think that's a lot of people? No, I don't. There's a lot of people? No, I don't. There's a lot of things I do that I think people do. They just don't tell you they do. I believe that's not one of them. And talking it out, I think Bo is afraid, is a lot better than I thought it was initially. It's very clearly his weakest of the three movies right now,

but R.A.S.R. is on like quite the heated just started his career. Will you take my calls if I call you while i'm watching boze afraid of this week i don't know five time with everything we're doing you know i'm concerned about our guy but i can't wait to watch it i'm considered that way okay you call me all also need a voicemail and listen to it and see if it's urgent enough a macular grid have a lot of rubber arm in the years in there i mean yes

sometimes you gotta get to three k and you can't get to 3K without having some elasticity. And you're addicted, officially. I mean, this is a great thing about this addiction. You only take one bump, and you wait to the next one. You have to wait 24 hours for your next bump. I sound like I do a lot of cocaine. You certainly do. Hello, someone listen to me.

I need help. I'm in Barcelona, and the creatures are everywhere. Hola, alguien me escucha, necesito ayuda. Estoy en Barcelona y las criaturas están por todas partes. A la islux, a la islux, escuchéis lo que escuchéis, tapados los ojos. La calle llevamos todos a ciedas, pero lo más aterradores no saber en qué confiar. Uy de las personas que os piden que mireis, si queréis seguir convido. She can't even continue to convince. Birdbox Barcelona is a foreign Netflix, the 14th of July. You dare to know. Don't leave a tart! How do people always go missing in the mountains?

Don't go to the mountains? And by the way, I don't want to bring raises. This is the most white people thing ever. Going missing in the middle of the mountains. It's the strangest thing. You go by yourself, you don't take a radio, you don't take a phone, you're missing for four days and they find you like 10 years later covered in snow and it's like, don't go by yourself. If you're going to go on a trail, don't go by yourself. Still gots. Put it on the pole. Is it the widest

person thing ever? I believe is what you called it going into the woods by yourself. Is going into the woods by yourself. I can't disagree with that, man. So black people don't camp? Yeah, black people don't hike. They don't camp. They don't go on to the woods. VCC Don Limatars show with their Stu Gats. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪

Samson is wheezing. It's a bit unpleasant in here. I don't know. The last three years of insanity, We've changed the rules a lot about how we feel, about people coughing near us. David Samson is coming in here in an enclosed space that at any point in the last three years, I would not be comfortable being this close

to someone who was coughing this much. I've been trying to fart instead because I think that's more acceptable these days. But I'm empty because I have not been fed fed by metal arc media or the else. That's your doing. Go me on. The one that got us the bad breakfast. Food all over Miami and and they've been complaining for a while. They have been that I've even I've noticed that the meals were a lot better before in the

morning and now it's just some it's some prison rule and I think it's because samson is cut costs and what used to be like a giant what happened what happened to breakfast explain it to me you're looking at it I have a better idea what instead of making the breakfast look the way it looks now it's better to not have it at all it's I think it's

bad for morale to have those type of lenders bagels out in the front with scoops of crap. Oh, you're playing both shards. Which is it, do you? You're complaining about the meal when you're the reason that there's been cuts around here around the meals. That's what you decided to save money. I'm not complaining about the meal. I'm telling you that I haven't been fed.

I did enjoy the apple juice during the break. But the answer is I'd rather, far than cough these days post COVID, but I'm telling you my stomach's empty. I went running, you know, there's no one in the Elser gym at 4.42 a.m. Why would I know that? I see that's the little thing.

Well, that makes sense. It's 4.42 a.m. There's not that many people in this building, presently, right? Like it's still big. Don't say that. I mean, it was, now I'm gonna get scared.

I mean, there's dollars. All right, there aren't that many people in this building. They're starting, you know, it's a soft launch. There's a little by little more and more people. The gym was pretty packed. I went up there just to check things out. Do you walk the hallways looking for do not disturb signs?

Cause I do. To get an idea of how many people are on your floor. That's mad creepy, bro. I don't knock on the door and go in the door. You just look through the people. No, no. I do not. I just try to see tags. I don't like on the door and go in the door. You just look through the people. No, no. I do not. I just try to see tags.

I don't like when there's tags on the room right next to me, because sometimes I'm recording a show, or sometimes I'm doing something and I want to be sensitive to not being too loud. And when I don't see a tag, that means the room's empty. Can you guys get for me, please, the sound from the Phillies game against the Braves, because I want to talk about something that's changing in baseball as We end up in a place that

More young people are having more fun. The game has a lot of flair and personality And I all my life have been arguing on behalf of all my life Please give me some personality baseball. Please be less reluctant to change. And now the walls have fallen over. I'm not just personality because guys in the dugout are celebrating home runs with all sorts of costumes and stuff. But over the weekend, I found myself

longing for the salty broadcaster who still hates all this stuff. And Marcelo Zuna hit a home run in the game between the Braves and the Phillies. I want you to hear the Phillies announcing team here because it made me long for a bygone day in baseball. I can't believe I'm objecting to the youthful changes because what I want to survive is the salty broadcaster who it's hot out there.

It's summer and he's been doing this unhappily for 40 years and Marcelo Zuna is dancing near home plate and he doesn't like it because it's summer and he's down 5-0 and so he blasts on and blasted deep to left field. Forget about it to run Homer Marcelo Zuna and the braves with a five spot on the board here on the top of the 10th inning. Oh Zuna with his 14th home run of the season. They're going to stop in the middle of the third baseline and do it. And just now that's not a home. Joe on Washington. That's just not professional. Stop in the middle of the third baseline so they can do a little hand dance.

There are a number of things I love about this and the saltiness is third. Ron Washington's the third base coach only manager in my lifetime will have a cocaine scandal. That's it. Third base. Coming home is a man that should not be in the major leagues. I don't understand how a zoon is still playing baseball. I don't think if he were a football or basketball player that he would still be playing baseball.

How is Marcelo zoon is still playing baseball? He's on a long-term deal, and he can still hit home runs. So they're not gonna designated him yet. But if he stopped forming, they're gonna get rid of him. But how has he survived Atlanta, which is DUI arrest and domestic abuse in a way, and video DUI arrest where he's just telling people,

I'm OZuna, it's a little bit, am I being naive here? No, he does call himself that. He actually said, he calls himself OZ a soon did you say that because you know that no he has to strike while there was video of the d.o.i. was embarrassing that he was trying to get out of a d.o.i. he was already embroiled in not playing because he'd beaten the holy hell out of his wife while police were there did you ever meet her she was his wife when he was a moron i did not do not

it's been a uh... we were all surprised that he, that's a marriage that is still in existence. We actually talk about it as white people. Is there a thing where there are play, there are people who care more about marriage? And is that something that's real? Because we talk about it in baseball that that's a marriage that we thought would end?

And there's a level of commitment to the marriage that comes with fighting cheating and all sorts of things but you stay married and I saw that a lot in my career in baseball a lot of players who would rather not get divorced but they're happy to act a certain way. But what does it have to do with white people? Is that my view of divorce was always that that's okay. I grew up in divorce and I would speak to players from the Dominican and they would often say, no, we don't get divorced.

That's what I was told by players. I don't know if you knew that, but they would sit and talk to me about that. So I was wondering if you've ever heard of that before and there are baseball players everywhere who you see it. We had a lot with the Marlins. It's pretty crazy. Mike Ryan, why are you shaking your head?

I'm looking for the magic created content and I can't find it. Wow. Okay, we've misplaced it in the move when it was covering up. No, it froze and I think it's saved under pyramid. So you would have... As soon as he said white people, I was like, oh god. As soon as he really said, oh, Zuna, I was ready to go. That would have been such a good thing. What was number two on your top five? Yeah, we did, I was ready to go. That would have been such a good thing.

What was number two on your top five? What was number two on your top five things? I think that rather do than a macular grid. Things that are better than a macular grid. I would rather have a cold where I'm coughing into a spatoon than play the immaculate grid. Where's your candy? My candy's in my bag right here.

Yeah, which one, which mix did you go with this time? Do you really want to see? Of course. Dana, you know about this candy situation. I don't think Dan was here for that. No, you weren't here the last time when he did this. He buys like four, five different candies and puts them in a jet, there it is.

Oh, that looks good. This is actually good mix today. It's good and plenty hot tamale, he's micanike, sour, he's micanike's regular, and milk chocolate,-parallels uh... billy he's also can't taste or he can't taste anything which is strange it's it's it's it's it's it's a should matter what candy's in there no it's bizarre i don't understand didn't think about that

can you explain that to me like what i can't taste well no you got covid you can't taste and and why what difference would it make whether you had vegetables or candy in there? I tried to be healthy at first, but I love my candy. But you can't taste? No, but it feel I can feel it, but I confuse my canyx and good and plenty now, which is inexcusable.

I can see how that would happen. It's the same shape. It's all textural, all of it. It's all textural, but it, but my canyx and good and plenty as you can see from the bag and hot Tamales. Can you imagine biting into a Hot Tamale and it being a good and Plenty? I can't, but you can't.

You wouldn't know the difference. I do not know the difference. Yeah. Which is awfully upsetting. On the plane yesterday, on the way, in the middle of the 10 hour schlep, I did stop at the candy store and I bought a bunch of licorice jelly beans

and citrus jelly beans. And we were on the tarmac for so long I went through all my jelly beans before takeoff. How are you nine years old? Like he goes he gets scared of scary movies and goes to the front desk He eats all of the candy because he's got no impulse control. He can't taste So it doesn't even make sense that he would be eating that much sugar, and then he can't sleep at all at night because he's got to put that in his mouth together. Yeah, that's not sleeping at night

is starting to make sense when we're going through the diet. You know what, you should do it. But I don't eat badly. And that's coming from real. And shit. I would eat, like if I couldn't taste things, I would probably eat all of the healthy things

that I don't eat now. You wouldn't, so there's studies that are happening. People start that way, but they don't end that way. Why they get bored? You just, you crave, you crave. Even with no taste or smell. Yeah. What is it, like a visual thing?

Like, it's just in your head? No, it's textural. Uh-huh. But I don't want to talk about that. Oh, sorry. It's really upset. I mean, I like my candy. Just let me be. I think you should watch hereditary

because after I watch hereditary, I don't find scary movies scary anymore because I always compare things to hereditary. So you can watch the most terrifying movie ever and then by comparison, everything else seems silly. This is a hole in Samson's movie game because you're right now advocating pretty publicly loudly and relentlessly for hereditary being the best horror movie ever made. It is. I'm happy to take your word for that.

Well, second was the exercise, and I thought nothing would in terms of never-sufferitening. Oh, I'm thinking of it. Yeah, that's no surprise for someone that's terrified of scary movies. But you're running Washington, never got a chance to manage again. Is that why you called him the third-base coach with the cocaine scandal? Well, I just said the the confluence of events at home plate that it's Ron Washington, okay, who was getting a unique opportunity and somehow flamed out in a cocaine scandal,

which is not something that you see very often in baseball management. So it was weird, right? There was like, I'm used to seeing that with players. I didn't even realize at the time. I think I learned with Ron Washington. Oh, they don't drug test the players for that because the players have a union but they can drug test the managers and they just shamed a man for having a party that he said was the first time he had a party in his 60s.

So that's at home plate. And then as soon as it home plate, I'm like, how's he still in the league? Like, it's not only the scandals, it's for a while there, he wasn't hitting home runs like that. And this thought was that he was gonna get released. Third base coach is Stanton, does it? Have you watched Stanton hit a home run?

He gets the football. Have you seen him cross? Oh, but they all do that now. I love that. I love throughout the sport. All the young guys are doing that. The sport is in. The sport is caving in on all of its

proprietary Gentlemanness, but there's still a fillings announcer out there for you to get salty with it and extra innings in the summer Well, and he got mad at a 71 year old man who was doing baseball the wrong way because he's the one that was doing the quote unquote Hand dance with those who know what that is is and made me feel uncomfortable there in code They're in the 10th inning and they just gave up five runs and it's like why did we last this long for five? Everything there felt a little Cody My Greg Cody, but like Chris Cody. No, no, no, like it had a lot of code I'm telling you it's just the salty announcer's always racist.

That seems I wasn't going there. Well, I could as that's my way more. Your thought is that what Ron is that that announcer was being racist because of rock. That's not my initial. I'm saying he doesn't say hand dance. If it's a Larry Boa, down the third Bay's line. That's a good call by you.

That would fit well on the immaculate grid. Larry, is that? Well, there's number one. Third base and racist. That's a good game. If it's BJ, if it's BJ, sirhoff and Larry Boa down the third base line, we're not getting hit with handbanks.

What about Kurt Schulling? Can we add him? Josh Donaldson. Right. He would. Brian McCann. Ring or brain. Pretty crazy that the Braves are on the other side of this complaint considering where they've been

to the last, not about 50, 20 years. It's amazing. It's aged enough. Brian McCann doesn't watch the Braves anymore, right? This is no way he watches the Braves anymore. Is this guy know that Braves are free to fill in? No way. Bryce Harper is affiliate, filling right he's still a filly yeah we can fill the grid with racist we could often do I often do when I play the Immaculate

Grim I tie tie cop stole wild bases done lebertard well Charlie sent Charlie Well, Charlie has sent this as far as I know, so just Charlie's title in my book is two guts. How familiar were you at the time with Chubacca? Like how you're upbringing, how much Chubacca in it? This is the Don Leverthar show with his two cats. I'm talking a lot about journalism around here and the need even in sports to have the sources that you believe in that are credible. This came up this weekend in a couple of different places. But what I wanted to ask you to start off in the local

hour, Jeremy and Samson, both of whom have sources, were disagreeing about jazz chisels effect on the clubhouse. Whose sources am I supposed to believe in a modern age that has the following things making an appearance just this weekend? Shams, who is very credible and reports for the athletic and for the New York Times, but also has a business

relationship with Fandall, moved the betting odds on the draft and where Brandon Miller was going to be selected when he was saying that Scoot Henderson was making a late run in Charlotte into the second position. It moved the odds to have someone that credible reporting something and it made people in journalism uncomfortable to have a reporter in bed with a journalistic outfit and having a business relationship outside of it with a gambling entity. All of that is stuff that is crossroads conflict of interest journalism stuff that I'm not sure people care about very much every day. And it leaves an opening for all sorts of malfeasance

and gambling. But when the source on information is saying something in sports that you're not hearing anywhere else and he is a rapper or a former rapper, Cameron. And he's doing it on a very popular podcast that a lot of people like because he's funny. And when he talks about sports, Tony, you love this podcast. Because it's the show on sports right now.

What's the name of the podcast? It is what it is. And he had information that he's reporting that I haven't heard anywhere else about what Jordan Poole said to get punched by Dreymond Green. Let's play that sound. And for more than things that I was hearing him say, not guaranteed, but they were saying his reasons Drey Monde punched him in his face.

They said the first day he told Drey Monde Green, you know Michigan and Michigan State have beefed. Drey Monde State, Drey Monde Green is for Michigan State. He's for Michigan. He told Drey Monde, that's already a lifetime rivalry. Right, he told Drey Monde, I feel more bitches than Michigan State than you

than you wouldn't do. And then they was running sprints of signing. He told Jay Ma, don't worry about it. You'll be in Sacramento next year. Then he told Jay Ma, then he told Jay Ma, why is your Twitter handle money green when you broke and you're not going to get a new contract and that's the one that broke the camel's back. We end up punching him in a face. So a lot of stuff said that was a cover up then.

That's what they're saying and Jay Maul couldn't talk about it. What are you shaking your head about and needing candy about Samson? Because he said it now that's what happened between Dreymann and Jordan pool. Oh, I don't know if it's accurate or not, but I'm asking you, I believe the sourcing. I'm asking you to examine sourcing all across sports because you and Jeremy had different sourcing on something different information. Mine isn't sourcing. I don't view my access into the baseball world of the sourcing. You talk to people.

I'm not a reporter. No, but you talk to people. You came on the air and you said jazz is a problem in that clubhouse. And it's not good. I just know it for a fact. It's not a source. But you know for. But it could be a fact for some people and anything you don't have first-hand knowledge of is that have to be sourced

and just say i spoke to sources i think with the platform that's just all name are names and then we can decide whose names we like more and that person is right that's not how you do it it could be so i would actually be happening in the who i love this Jeremy. I don't care at all. Why would you dismiss Cameron as a source?

He might be super informed here, more informed than most. He may be, but you think that the reason why Dremont and Jordan Poole aren't playing together, is it because of that? I would say to you the reason that that's interesting, if it's true, it's because it seems like the Warriors have sided with Dremont on this. If Dremont is indeed welcome back at a bigger contract, I don't know if that's actually so. But the Warriors are about to decide whether they want to remain championship contenders

or not. And Steve Curris said Dremont has to be a part of that. Dremont opted out of $27 million and they traded Jordan Poole for Chris Paul out of nowhere. Heaymond opted out of $27 million and they traded Jordan pool for Chris Paul out of nowhere. He was overpaid. I don't know. Yeah, he was overpaid. I don't know what happened there, but Jordan pool was good enough for $140 million a year ago, gets punched in the face and isn't anymore.

And they seem to have decided that Traymond greens the guy that they prefer over Jordan pool. They could decide that's neither of them. That's that too. But are you inclined to agree with the sourcing here is what I'm asking you. I take it for what it is and that's more data. That's the first time I've heard that theory is opposed to other ones that have been out there that was just, you know, these things happen in practice.

And they told us all year long that it wasn't that big of a deal and then after they get eliminated, everyone says, oh yeah, no, it was a huge deal in there. So I think this is yet another more people. Was that another interesting bit of gossip? Like, to me, like the important thing is what we all saw on a video was that there was a player being punched. Motive doesn't really, it's such an unprofessional thing to do to a teammate that the motive, while I'm curious, doesn't really factor in what actually happened. I mean, what happened was monumental.

What happened was teammates got involved in a fight, and one player knocked the other player's lights out. It seems like Cameron could say things that people on sports television can't say, as we just heard, but if that's the real reason, and they can't report that on ESPN or another credible person, I don't think he's saying something that other people can't say because like if I came into contact with that information I'd share it and I'd say according to my sources. I just I probably wouldn't say the F word. Well, that's the part that's almost more

interesting about this entire story almost even than the details that he is reporting is that if he has those details You have to imagine some of the other information people around the league had those details many, many, many months ago and what's really their reason for not sharing. That's kind of the bigger question to me. Well, okay, so let's again dig down on something that generally I have more interest in than the audience

or anyone else is just sports journalism and the rules governing results that now you need to know the integrity of right when gambling makes an appearance and I don't think shoms did anything wrong there if I if I may on the the dream on pool thing like it's entirely possible that there are legacy media insiders that knew that bit of gossip and it's just far too salacious to run with. And some people have like players who fight fight about women overwhelming. 90% of the player fights I was a part of were all over. There's women. There's a line whereas that that doesn't become the lead.

The lead is that this fight happened between teammates. The reasons around it are necessarily important. And they're just gossipy and salacious and legacy media probably wouldn't go down that. We'd want to get to the bottom of why players would fight. So we would ask them and we'd get to the bottom of it. But at the end of the day, we were more interested in the fact that they didn't just figuring out can we go forward with those two players or not? That's the decision you make as the front office.

Okay. David, but I'm asking you to consider in the middle of this fight, okay? The human elements of where it is something champion disintegrated. That team that said it was light years ahead of everybody else decided to go well into the tax with yeah, we'll sign Wiggins and Jordan pull and we'll get all the advantages by Just spending money because we've got a great new arena and we're doing it differently than anyone else in the sport like years ahead. A year ago, they decided Jordan pull, these are, they're human dynamics at work here in the fracturing of a champion. What was said matters, maybe not in gossipy journalism circles in a way that should be reported, but it sure is

how does in that locker room. Don't tell me it doesn't. If he, if they've got to work together, when Jordan pull was asked about the relationship, he said, me and Jermon had a business relationship. But Jordan Poole was terrible last year. And it looked like he was having a hell of a lot more fun the year before when he played for the Warriors. Maybe it's because of winning, or maybe it's because he hadn't just tested a guy who just knocked him out and shamed him in front of everybody. Like in front of everybody, you're not going to talk to me that way, because you're not a champion and I am and I'm the soul of this team. You don't think that fractures the center of where a champion resides.

No, because players don't, there is no clubhouse where all players get along. That fracture exists in every locker room. Yeah, but there are no clubhouses where that, that not getting along gets video for us and we all get to laugh at the shamed young person who just got beat up by the champion Dreymon who talks is shit and backs it up. But what if their championship window is just closed because they're older and just other teams passed them. And you're in full excitement.

But they had that controversy at the center of fracturing a champion, which is an unusual controversy. It wasn't the center. It's just something that happened. It doesn't seem unusual for Golden State because the Dremons fracture to championship teams. His relationship with Kevin Durant is why Kevin Durant decided to leave, but they come back inside with Dremond every time. This is I don't think you're saying they decided with Dremond just because pool is out right now. Like we have to see

if they bring Dremond back. They could have easily decided we'd rather have Chris Paul's bad contract than Jordan Pools' bad contract. They did. It's actually a better, it's shorter. They got rid of years of a bad contract. The NBA has so many bad contracts. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Dremont is also out.

All right, that is possible. It would seem like the more likely thing given what everyone's there. Would you give him $100 million to keep the championship? What did you call it? The championship dream from fresh. I just was surprised to hear Steve Kerr, the coach, say, we're not a championship contender unless Dremond plays for us.

That is a public pressure that an agent would apply. That infuriated me when he said that because it took my leverage away. Well, you're not involved in these negotiations. Yeah, but it's just pretending that I worked here. By Mars left. Yes, he did, but Mike Dunliffe is there. He's on it. What do you make of him leaving there? Because this, this is the end of that. Is it not even if Traymon comes back? It's still the end of it.

And these things end messy. And they're a chief executive who put them life years ahead of everybody just left. I mean, the end of it, the end of it doesn't signal, let's make a move for Chris Paul. That doesn't seem like the end of it. It's Theo leaving the Cubs. Myers leaving the Warriors is the equivalent of Theo

leaving the Cubs, which he did after he realized that, wow, we're going to lose these players. We're not going to win another World Series. See you later. I'm heading back to Mike road to be commissioner. That's what my eyes was doing. Chris Paul's move, Mike, that is not light years ahead. Chris Paul.

I think it's pretty inspired in that no one really saw it happening. And they found a way to get out of what we all now assume after Post-Straight on Jordan Pulp fight. Oh, this Jordan pull contract. That doesn't seem great And they actually leveraged a younger piece But what they expect to be a bad contract and they got a bad contract and returned admittedly But one for much shorter term I Can't believe I've done this long enough now that I'm arguing on behalf of the intangibles

as Samson tells me that pool was not impacted in any way by having his face and his respect. And in part of like their whole light years ahead thing, the angel Russell did play well for not not at the end though, But they moved the angel of Russell and they've done this before where they move a young piece that seems to be playing pretty well, could maybe figure into their future back court and they decide, no, we'll take Wiggins. They do unconventional things. It's why they're light years ahead, air quotes. And keep in mind, this is like a light years ahead team that failed with a lottery pick Yeah, like they they had they they throughout this rebuild and this second

Championship outside of the the Durant thing. Well, it's I it's not second But you know what I mean in terms of core and they go out and get this other championship They did so in spite of losing out totally on that lottery pick the Astros drafted market pal It happens people make mistakes. Baseball is different. No, it's okay. Now the NBA lottery is not the, the NBA lottery is not the crap sheet

that baseball is draft is. I would have taken Sam Bowie. I would. Is that lost on everybody? No. You would have taken over Michael Jordan. He was good at the time. Sam Bowie. Sam was size back then. He needed size. He was good at the time. Sam Bowie?

Sam was size. Back then he needed size. It was a center-based league. Is it Bowie or Bowie? I think it's Bowie. But I was just thinking about David Bowie. So that's why I said it. I'm very bad with that.

That's why I was asking before the show started. How do we're doing all these things? I need to know how to pronounce stuff. Ziggy start us. David Bowie? Sam Bowie? And you don't want me to make fun of how to pronounce stuff. Ziggy start us. David Bowie, Sam Bowie, and you don't want me to make fun of how old you are. Wagner.