The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Dinners with DeMar

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

The Shipping Container asks Billy how he feels about seeing his friend Cam Newton get into a fight. Then, did F1 get one over on us? And did our very own John Reed invent the selfie stick? Plus, Dan returns to the lead chair as DeMar DeRozan joins the show to discuss "Dinners with DeMar" as he gets vulnerable about his depression, avoiding grief, survivor's remorse, and money not solving everything when it comes to mental health. But don't fret, the Shipping Container hijacks the interview from Dan to discuss P.J. Tucker's sneaker collection and get a list of DeMar's Top 5 Bucket Getters (with a little help from Tony). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show.

DraftKings, the crown is yours. Billy, if you could slack me the link to the gel that makes my pee, this gelatinous thing that I can carry to one of the trash cans. I'd appreciate that. How's that? Did you guys ever see Envy? The Jack Black bed that's still it.

Isn't there like a spray that they poo? Yeah, where he sprays poo and then he makes it. I think we have that in our bathrooms here. Well yeah, but this one makes poop disappear. That's what you spray into the toilet. It'll smell a little better. Okay, we have the actual brand. That's actually called Poo-Poo-Ree.

Vaporize was the thing in the movie. Vaporize. Cam Newton's apologized for his involvement in the fight. How'd you experience that as your friend was being ganged up on? I felt bad that I wasn't there with him, to be honest with you, to try to help him fend off some of the people.

Now it was a sucker punch from the videos that I'd seen, and still, even though as someone that was receiving the sucker punch He was still trying to break up a fight that He found himself in the middle of and the hat stayed on the entire time. Yeah, I mean I haven't I haven't seen this whole thing There's two videos. I saw the first one where he was just kind of apologizing for his involvement saying there's too many people Depending on him that he can't say be the bigger person and then be involved in something like that. And then there's another one that I haven't seen yet. But I mean, if you listen to the involvement of the fight, it appears he was kind of talking

some crap, which seems normal, I would think, in like most sporting events. But the people that he got into fight with didn't appreciate how far he was going, I guess. I don't know. This fight actually didn't come as a surprise. I've been following, I'm on some weird Cam Newton algorithm and he had been beefing with seven on seven teams out there. There were videos in the days leading up to this, this built to Crescendo, where you knew that there was beef. That appeared to be a sucker punch, but the most impressive part about that video is number one, Cam Newton, huge.

It's just not someone to make the choice. It's no wonder why several people went at Cam Newton because he's the greatest goal line thread in the history of the sport for a reason. As a big guy and the hat just makes him seem even more big and tough. There's no bringing him down. But he's apologized. I saw that video and granted, I don't know what's really going on here outside of the videos that framed some of this stuff. I don't really see anything for him to apologize for

other than an example. There's children that are fans of his. He is in a leadership position at children that are fans of his, he is in a leadership position at 7B7 Fields, but nothing really to apologize for. The other people should apologize. Well, I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen the second video yet, so I don't know exactly who's watching. Did you let him know that you're there and you got his back if that ever happened so near?

It's one of those things that you kinda, you wanna give him some space. You know what I mean? When a friend's going through, you wanna be supportive, but also from a distance, because you, you wanna be supportive but also like from a distance cause you wanna pile on and have them feel like, you know, so like publicly I'd like to say that I support Cam and I'm there for him and all that

but I don't wanna bother him cause I'm sure he's really going through it right now with a lot of people. Like me personally, like my closest friends, I'll check in with like twice a year and we're good. And I feel like they feel the same way about me. Did you salute Peter King? Hey, hell of a run. Good, still alive? Yeah, good. And I feel like they feel the same way about me. Did you salute Peter King? Hey, hella veron. Good, he's still alive, yeah, good.

Peter, Peter, hella veron. Holy crapola. Yeah. Talking about that limit fake. I got caught up in the Peter King thing where he was, who was it that he said that he looked like? He said that he looked like he's like, oh, I feel like Clint Eastwood or something like that.

I'm like, yeah, you look like him too. And like you gave me that exact same look when I said it. And I didn't realize at the time, he was talking about an 80-year-old Clint Eastwood. And I'm like, yeah, that wasn't the nice thing to say. Yeah, they really looked like I liked you. Yeah, you know. I was trying to compliment him.

Clint Eastwood. Everyone talks about how old Clint Eastwood looks. I know, but I was thinking young Clint Eastwood. He specifically said Gran Turino there. I wasn't listening. To frame the conversation. It was a dirty, hairy Clint Eastwood. I hear about 40% of what happens, if that.

So I just, I'm like, yeah, that's a bad, I just try to agree with people. Well, here comes one of those 60% conversations because I want to close the loop on Formula One. I happen to think that Formula One was just like Shell Corporation and just a whole Ponzi scheme. And it was inflated because of the pandemic and everyone during lockdown was looking for content

And they found it in Drive to Survive and it's it's become a template We work at a media company and I receive at least three Drive to Survive inspired templates Oh, and they've replicated it with tennis golf Nascar like they're making Drive to Surv survive spin-offs of like every other sport. Right, they've all, which is, it's curious that drive to survive becomes a template, because this is hard knocks. But no one's really replicated the success of drive to survive since. Full swing was, I enjoyed some of the, those episodes on Netflix. I know it's back for season two, but I don't even think Drive to Survive has replicated the success of Drive to Survive. And Formula One, it was really peaking and it was fastest growing sport. We've heard that in this country with motorsports before.

And it's usually not a great thing when you're called the fastest growing sports because it's unsustainable and you're going from a place that's very low. This is a bit of a niche attraction. Formula One, a lot of excitement down here for the first Grand Prix, second Grand Prix, not so much. But they did have higher attendance, apparently, the second year. The second year?

In Miami. And the attendance has been good, actually very good at all the American races. They added the Vegas race last year, which was a flop for a number of reasons. Was that well attended? Yes, apparently it was. They said there were over 300,000 people

throughout the weekend, I believe. Vegas hated it. Yes, correct. All the people from Vegas hated it. That's all they could talk about when we were there. And as someone who hated it. They hated it. As someone that visited Vegas,

like maybe three times prior to as they were doing construction, I hated it. I hated this race because it's the strip and they're doing. I didn't watch it, because it was at 1 a.m. And the qualifying ended at like 5 a.m. Eastern because they had that manhole cover issue the first night. I'm familiar, but it seems as though

Formula One got one over on us. And I know you host a Formula One show, but it's really tailed off. I haven't gotten that sense. I feel like it's not growing as much anymore. You don't meet people that are like, oh my god, it just started watching. But I do think the people that are still following it

are gonna stick around. They're here to stay. Our audience for DNF has done very well. I haven't really seen much of a tail off in that, at least. The TV ratings have been really good. And again, it's a good product to watch on TV because it's short, it's two hours on a Sunday morning when a lot of times in the States,

in Eastern times there's not a lot else on really. So, it hasn't really, I don't think it's flopped as much, but again, it's hard to really tell because attendance is good, ratings are good, like our ratings have been solid on our podcast, but I can't really tell how many new people are getting into it. If that's the metric, then maybe that is not great. Yeah, what I'm doing is I'm not, I'm doing, I'm approaching this from a very naive place. I just don't hear as many people talking about this and it hasn't really captured the, the, the discourse, the way that it used to. But I've got five minutes left in this show and I really want to get into.

I was worried that we were not going to get to what I was going to get into. I'm going to try to squeeze it in, but I know that we minutes left in this show and I really want to get into I was worried that we were not gonna get to what I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to squeeze it in but I know that we have to hit the hit this All right Bring John Reed in real quick because John Reed alleged in a pre-show meeting that he invented something and he hasn't reaped any The rewards for it. I'll let John Reed speak to exactly what he claims he invented You're positioning this all wrong the saying he claims he invented as though he did not Well, I'll let the audience be the judge, but John... It's the selfie stick.

Chris, the selfie stick along with the first gimbal for the iPhone. Okay, alright. I invented it, I would say around 2010. No, I'm not going to let you reverse engineer a gimbal here, because you were calling it a selfie stick all meeting long, and then we saw the evidence in question, then we told you it's a Gimbal and now you're making this an iPhone Gimbal. I haven't been at the selfie stick first, I just didn't have the prototype ready. Alright, so I'm going to let you toss to this video, it's a minute long so keep that in

mind. Your claims of inventing the selfie stick was like it was a practical application, you were in New York and random people came up to you or at least you thought random people came up to you. What are we about to see here? Times Square. Let's just run the video. This is the invention of the selfie stick. This is the first video with the selfie stick gimbal that you invented. The prototype.

The prototype video. All right, right now I'm standing in the middle of Times Square looking at the first prototype with a jump rig, exclusive iPhone as you can see iPhone right here in motion Of course, I have a light on it Light on it man Calm down I like it. I was walking by your iPhone at the steady cam in your iPhone. I had to stop and say something. This is incredible. What's going on, man? Uh, we getting money. Uh, you don't know about it. Uh, uh, uh.

They call me the B. We winning, baby. I'm playing around with my man and we winning, baby. You know what it is. Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Do it, do it. Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage?

Get it, sausage is. Get it, sausage is. Yeah, you know, I take pride in my inventions, man. That's just one of many. Alright, alright, John. Wait, hold on. Couple questions. Number one, that's not a stick.

That is not a stick. It's better than a selfie stick. It's a gamble. It's true I want the listening audience to know that Before we get into the nuts and bolts Tom Green stumble if you didn't tell by voice or by us saying it Tom Green The Tom Green was in that video just stumbled upon John in New York That's my favorite that's my favorite part about the video because you have graphics that put up Tom Green's Twitter handle But we discovered that when this person approached you you had no idea To you or daddy did you like my sausage? I didn't know that was a real song from a movie my sausage Some sausage. Oh clueless a man. Yeah, so Tom Green was up to you as you invent this

You called it a selfie stick, and then we correctly told you. I walked it back. It was again, but we found out that the selfie stick was invented seven years before. You thought you invented the selfie stick, which your invention was not a stick. Yeah, it was a Motorola. Listen, nothing counts unless it's an Apple.

Was it 2010 when FaceTime came out iPhone 4? That's what only counts, right? This is not an Apple, but an Android thing. That's not a stick. The video pans a little, there's someone in Times Square with a selfie stick behind you. No, no way, no way. You don't think so?

A telescopic extender for compact handheld cameras was patented by Yuita Hiroshi and Mima Ujiro in 1983. The point is, none of this stuff was for sale. None of it was available. So I got creative. All right was yours Listen, you guys press it could have been I'm not out here trying to invent stuff on the street Like I'm out here with the product like he said proto at least at the time He thought he was inventing something I could be living next to Jeff Bezos on South Beach If it wasn't them stealing my idea, but you know producing well, what do we do be here? Let's sue someone It's a fan. Hey, who do I do?

There was a at sharp dress John's done. It didn't even know man. It wasn't even super practical That's like that's just a prototype That's just hilarious in our pre-show meeting when John's just like yeah, I invented the selfie stick I believe what are you talking now? Look, look, I mean, he did. It's right there. It's not even extending it. The whole thing with a selfie stick is you can go far away.

Well, that's just less convenient. That's just a prototype. Like, look, if you go back and you watch Shark Tank when ring.com was on or whatever before it was ring and it was something else, it was like a massive thing. That's what it looks like. And then you have version two and version three and then it gets smaller and more functional.

Maybe we'll engineer here. But it's not extending the camera. If Billy is supporting you, it's probably likely. For that reason I am out. Remember the best vacation you've ever taken? Make your next one even better with Get Your Guide. With Get Your Guide you can book over a hundred thousand unforgettable experiences in the US and around the world. Want to see the Grand Canyon from a helicopter? They got you. Watching a wrestling match in Mexico City? No problem.

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Congratulations on on feeling whole feeling complete. You know, let's talk tailgating. Yeah. Don't be those don't feel awkward buddy. You know, I don't. I mean, it's too late for that. I appreciate you soothing me in this regard, but I already feel terribly awkward.

And then my teammate comes to my defense with not a question, but just a healthy congratulations. And the further pointing out of that awkwardness because he's always good for me in those spots. I'm also thinking of divorce, Vince, after many, many years, 18 years, with a partner who does things like that to you. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugas.

Tomorrow is nice to see you. I'm happy to talk to you. And if they're not telling you this as you make the rounds on some of what you are doing, you are a brave soul, sir, getting out there with your feelings and your vulnerabilities. And, you know, being somebody who's leading at a time that it can be hard to vocalize your thoughts. So thank you for the work you do, sir. Thank you. I appreciate that. I will tell the audience he's a six-time All-Star. He's the king of the mid-range. He's a superstar forward for the Chicago Bulls. One of the best players in Raptors history.

What I'm complimenting him on is the work that he's been doing on mental health. He was one of the leading pioneers in basketball talking about it at a time we all felt a little bit tested and he's got a new series about mental health on his YouTube channel. It's called Dinners with the Ma. He talks to Draymond Green, Dwayne Wade, Damia Lillard. And I saw a clip of Draymond talking. He had, you know, he had to be talked into a thousand times. Go talk to somebody, get some tools.

Can you explain to me please? And thank you for joining us. Can you explain to me why Draymond would be so reluctant to be introspective when Draymond's a person who's always trying to get better, why wouldn't he try to get better there? I think we all deal with that to some type of extent, you know, it could be with anything, you know, sometimes I know somebody who didn't feel like they needed help with cooking, you know. Any little help is always needed.

And sometimes you have that pushback and sometimes you need that right person to kind of just give you the insight on how to approach it, you know. And Draymond being a good friend of mine, me feeling like I've been through the ups and downs, the feeling exactly how he felt. Sometimes you just need to hear that,

sometimes you need that little extra little push to understand that it's okay to go try it out. And sometimes when you try it out, you may not feel it right away and that's okay too. Just take your time with it and fill your way into it. So just me having a respect and a love for him. It was I feel like it was my job just to try to help him out the best way I can. But explain to me what it is about athleticism, about masculinity that makes it hard to ask for help.

I think that's the stigma that we're trying to break now is just being men. You know, I feel like when you grow up, you always start to be tough. You always start, you know, not cry to suck it up, not complain, you know? No matter how hard or difficult something is, you're not supposed to have feelings. And I think it's something that's embedded at an early age

that kind of, you know, you feel like when you go through life and you deal with so much, you're still supposed to have that same type of mindset. That's not right. And I think us having those conversations, trying to break that stigma is something that stem from when we was younger, just being men, always have to be tough. Well, how did that work out for you? I mean, nobody questions your toughness.

You emerged from Compton and felt how when you're being told by everybody that you're tough and yet you can't quite identify why you're depressed? Yeah. I mean, it took for me to be 26 years old to really just stop caring about, you know, if somebody knew I was sad or I was in a dark place or I fell down or I felt alone, I remember having a conversation with myself saying, man, I've been through so much. I made it out of Compton, California. I've seen the worst of the worst.

I can never feel less than myself. And it took for me to be 25, 26 years old to realize that. And sometimes it takes time for you to get to that point to understand. Like, you know, I shouldn't feel less than the individual because I understand all the things that I've been through and how can I be better going forward. Can we walk through some of the details of that? Because I feel like you're hiding quite a bit under the umbrella of I've been through a lot.

Would it not stand to reason, whatever that is by your definition, that you would have some post-traumatic stress disorder at 25 that makes it too much to bear? Um, yeah, I just, you know, you work so hard coming, trying to make it out the urban community that you sweep so much stuff on that rug. You know, I lost, you know, a couple of my best friends to game violence before I was even out of high school. I lost uncles, I lost family members to game violence. It was a point in my life where I went to countless

funeral's before I was 16 years old, seeing things and going through so much of that. You really don't realize how much it takes to toll on you emotionally and mentally to later down a line when your whole goal is to make it out of that environment. You know, and in the same token, you run away from so many emotions

that you're leaving behind. And sometimes those same emotions will catch up to you at some point. And for me, that's what it was. You know, you start to see, you know, you see so much of the good that life had to offer you and forgetting how much of the bad that you went through at a young age too.

And those two dynamics kind of, you know, collided with one another and kind of put me in a, you know, tricky place that I had to fight through and understand how could I be better and not hide these feelings that I was carrying for so long. Are you talking about avoiding grief? Are you talking about not having any idea what to do with, I love this person and now they're dead.

I'm a teenager. What the hell? How is this my life? Grief, survivors remorse, you know, growing and leaving people that you grew up from day one behind because maybe they had different, you know, thought process on how life should go. I grew up having a big family, a huge community of friends and, you know and when the separation started to happen, you deal with so much grief that you leave behind, so much sadness, so much stuff that was never addressed,

because for me, I had one goal and I was to make it out, and you realize once you make it out, how much stuff you left behind, so much stuff you didn't address, that kind of takes a toll on you. You know, and especially with me coming, feeling like coming from two different worlds, been in a lead for so long, seeing so much of the positives that it has to bring,

but also not addressing so much of the negative stuff that I had with you, you know, it took a toll. When you say survivors remorse, how and when did you identify any of that? How and when did that have a name for you? I always felt it. I think the title really made those feelings come to light because it was always those feelings of feeling bad for losing a friend, knowing you got to face that friend's family, talk to them, see the sadness

in them and feeling hurt and even worse knowing that someone you was close to, you have to see their family grieve and sometimes they make you don't want to come around or even bring it up because it feels know, it felt like it's just opening up another womb. So it was always a challenge for me trying to just find what exactly those emotions was for me and just try to figure it out so I don't consistently be in these dark places and not know why. Can you explain to me sort of where and when and

how maybe this doesn't happen as an illumination but you're looking around at your life and you know I've overcome all the odds I should and do have great gratitude for the fact that I've arrived at someplace other people cannot possibly dream of and yet I am here in my hotel room or whatever and I'm not happy I've got nothing but shit feelings on me. Like what's wrong with me? Like how did that reveal itself to you? Man, just some days you out the blue,

you find yourself just being frustrated, mad, angry, having animosity towards people that didn't even do anything to you. You know, starting to,, starting to have these doubts for no reason, these unwarranted aggressions, these moments where the smallest thing will get you out your character. And those feelings used to happen so much

and it used to make me even more mad because I'm sitting there like, why the hell am I mad? Well, nobody said nothing to me wrong, nobody said nothing to me wrong. Nobody did nothing to me wrong, but you have these built up frustrations, this animosity, you know, this pushback, you know, you pushing people away, you know,

just everything negative for no reason. And the more frequent that happened, the more, you know, I had to look at myself and address so much. And, you know, it's still a challenge for me to this day. It's something that I haven't completely been able to figure out. But when I have those feelings now,

I try to combat them with something positive and don't let it bleed over and make it worse for me in any other type of life. So your behavior, you didn't recognize it? No, no, not at all. I didn't recognize it, didn't see it. And you look back and you know, you got to apologize to the ones

that you may have said something to or may have gave off aggressive nature towards because you going through something unknowingly and taking it out on the next person. So I definitely didn't see that. Is it pushing stuff down for so many years, not even having time for it? Because to get ahead in your game,

you had to be obsessive compulsive, lopsided, no time to examine anything. And then all of a sudden it's coming out as anger and you don't recognize anger because why am I angry? That's exactly what it is. You know, I think people don't understand. We growing up the way I grew up, you only way you know how to deal with aggression

was with aggression, you know? And sometime that aggression played, you know, a good part when it came to sports and it came to channeling that energy to some positive. But sometime when you don't realize where you're challenging that energy to some positive, but sometime when you don't realize where you're challenging that energy towards, it comes out wrong. It comes out aggressive towards people

who doesn't deserve it. And it's a hard feeling because you carry so much weight, so much animosity, so many burdens on you that you haven't addressed that cause these feelings to occur. and it's not fair to you It's not fair to the ones that try to be there for you to help you and You know, it's hard to see when people really are there for you But you dealing with so much aggressive and so much negativity on you that you take it out on on there

Can you walk us through here because these guys are dying to talk basketball with you because I and I will tell the people again dinners with DeMar it features interviews with Dramon Green Dwayne Wade, Damian Lillard He is it's a new series about mental health And I don't think people understand the daily stresses that you guys are under but can you help people understand without? incriminating anybody the difficulties that came with incriminating anybody, the difficulties that came with, money appearing for you in your life, you get out and now people expect your help for things and these are people that you love and these are people that you do not want to say no to but you don't know how to handle your finances, you don't know how to handle wealth, you don't know how to handle

boundaries, can you give me some general ideas of how difficult that transition is? Man, the word entitlement is a real thing. You know, and I don't think many people really understand the significance of the word entitlement. You know, just because someone knew you at the age of 15, their, your success is their success for some odd reason. You know, even if they felt like, you know, they walk with you to school or they sit in the same classroom with you or family members feeling like, you know, we family. They deserve the exact same thing you have.

And you know, if it's one person thinking like that, imagine the family members and other people and the friends that feel that way. And the entitlement thing really takes a toll on a lot of people in our league because, you know, you don't want to let down family and friends, but family and friends don't put in consideration that they're not the only one to ask for something or needing something

or putting their problems on us where we still trying to figure it out. We work so hard to try to do better for ourselves and we all want to help and want to be there for our friends and family, but sometimes it becomes overbearing when the entitlement get played on us because people really don't understand what it's like for us, how lonely it is, how frustrating, how much we gotta give to this game that it takes a toll. So I think a title myth is definitely one of the main causes of this whole thing.

Nobody wants to hear it though, right? Nobody wants to hear, hey, DeMar's lonely, right? Like it's a, what do you mean? DeMar's got the life we all want. What are you mean? Damar's got the life we all want. What are you talking about? Exactly. Prime example. I seen Dame say the other day

he really don't have a life. You see so many people saying, how can you not have a life you making an X amount of money every single day. We human at the end of the day. A quote I read from Jim Carrey before was, he wished he had everybody, he wished everybody in the world to experience being rich.

So they will know and understand that money isn't everything. You know, and it's not like money don't solve problems. If anything, money will bring more problems. You know, yes, money makes so much stuff easier for you in your life to be able to live comfortably, but that don't take away from all the stresses that it bring in its heart. It's a tough life, especially when you give your all into the game and you really care and you don't get caught up in materialistic things. You realize money isn't everything, money just brings

more problems that you've got to understand how to cipher through those problems that gives you more of a headache. I understand exactly what you're saying and yet when you counter my, I'm saying to you, no one wants to hear DeMar's lonely, no one wants to hear DeMar say either that money brings as many problems as it solves, but you're just telling people, just asking people to understand that if you're depressed or if a loved one has had their heart broken or if you're grieving, I'm not sure where money's helping there or how money's helping too much there. For sure, because like you said that the title may go and kick in

because the next person I go and care about, if you're feeling lonely, if you're going through something personally or how your day went, because they hold this thing over you, like, oh, you're making all this money, you shouldn't have no problems. If I had this, I'd gladly do, you know, it's always, you always hear those stories because, you know,

people are so insensitive when it's a dollar sign in front of the main person. And it's not fair at all, you know, and I think that's when empathy come into play, you know? And I felt we lack so much of that because we prejudge people that we see on TV because we think they have it all. We think they have a great life.

We think they live in a dream. It's so tricky because we live in a time where you look at social media and you so, people live a lie so quick and it's not fair. We prejudged by so much false perception of the world we live in that people just take it out on you because they have less than. Don Lebatard. We got Afrini hardaway. Afrini?

Who was Afrini hardaway? Who was a Free-Ni hard away? I was trying to read fast. UD was on the team. Luke Jackson, Bobby Jones, The Matrix, Sean Marion. Stugats. Zo, Shax, Mush Parker, Chris Quinn, D-Wave, Jason Williams,

The Rolewright. I mean, stacked roster. This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugat DeMar I just want to do a little mid-interview check on you here because Dan will do this the entire time if you don't stop her several months Vulnerable honest athlete. We can change it. What the rarest of everything he loves Vulnerable honest athlete willing to talk about his feelings DeMarna Rosen this athlete. What the rarest of everything he loves a vulnerable honest athlete willing to talk about his feelings. DeMarco Rosen I'm willing to start a live stream with you from right now until the end of time where we will

just talk about this but instead you'll have to take it in doses because he plays basketball dinners with DeMarco is where you'll get it but go ahead get your basketball questions in I know Tony puts you top top wear on bucket getters all time he's he's in the top 10 bucket getters of all time. DeMarco Rosen. Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. And I'm gonna get your top five bucket getters very soon, but I have a quick fire question for you. Deeper Kobe bag, you or PJ? Me. Kobe? Strictly Kobe's me.

Yes, strictly Kobe's. Shoes PJ's, but strictly Kobe's me. Yes, strictly Kobe's. Shoes, PJs. But strictly Kobe's me. Wow. What's your favorite pair? My favorite pair probably is so tricky. Probably the ones where it all started. Kobe one is my favorite. Really?

I'm an eights guy. Love the eights. You can't go wrong with eights. Eights for sure. But I think for me, where it all started, is the Kobe one is for sure. Give me your top me, we're all started as the Kobe ones for sure. Give me your top five bucket getters. Now we have some parameters for these bucket getters.

You can't say Michael, you can't say LeBron. It's gotta be guys that when you think of, you need to get a bucket right now. Are we talking just mid-range? No, we're talking everything, complete game. But that's the implication. Everything. What do you, who do you think of?

Top five guys. If I may, just real quick, because I've got follow-up questions on Just sneakers because I'm curious who he regards as in the league. I don't know that anybody Looks at somebody else and his envious of their collection. Dude PJ Tucker. He's he's a demigod in this game Yeah, PJ you gotta as far as being a sneaker king. That's PJ got it. He ain't nobody touching him when it comes to complete just shoes because to this day, the amount of shoes, like it's been times he FaceTiming me from a house

where he don't even live in. And it's just nothing but shoes, wall to wall, feeling it's in it just to show me certain shoes. Like, I saw. Like warehouses, story, who second person's like literally a house, like literally a house that just no furniture. It's just shoes, kitchen, pulling shoes, stairway, pulling shoes. He's got a trap house for shoes. Is that what you're telling?

Shoes in a sink. Sounds like he's a hoarder. And no, but it's it looked it looked like a museum. Like, I promise you, like he he will tell you it's it's the looked like a museum like I promise you like he he will tell you It's it's the craziest thing he ever showed he's a caretaker of the shoe game No doubt who's the guy the NBA that what is trying to come for his stuff like no I'm the guy like no one knows about my shoe collection. I don't know. I haven't seen nobody like How extreme?

PJ is with the shoes, I don't think it's nobody else because it's been like that since I've been in a league with PJ. So if it's- Joe Johnson had a retinal scan to get into his areas, his warehouse areas, only he could get into his warehouse areas.

There's no even urban legend of somebody being better than PJ Tucker. Nah, not no, because even with Joe, Joe was a Jordan guy. So Joe had all of Jordan's. Like PJ has everything Nike and everything Jordan. Like it's not just one specific. You have all of, you have all of LeMars, all of Kobe's, all of KD's, all of Karee's, all of any Gary Payton's,

any athlete that played the Nike shoe, even step when step was with Nike, he has those like, you know, I mean, like he's had every Nike shoe you could think of. It's a credit. It's incredible. I want to get back to the midrange games stuff. But can you just tell me or bucket get her stuff? Excuse me, I've got word association in the head. But Grant Williams, when he goes from Luca sneakers in Dallas to Tatum sneakers in Dallas what kind of offense is that?

That's a somebody told me that one day and I didn't believe it so that's a real thing. It is indeed a real thing and he was trying to do a thing Dan. It was pretty honest. I don't know if he was trying to make anything, but I love it I mean, I love it. It's entertaining to me. All right bucket getters. Who do you have for us all time? You're going all time right Tony you're going all time And you said I can't use Kobe or Mike right you got to give me bucket getters. Yeah not legends not legends of the game I need bucket getters Can I put Katie you could put Katie but that's a legend of the game yeah you can't be on Mount Rushmore and on this like J crossover like that's what I'm thinking of J crossover well this is

this is what you're doing though you're you're you're privately you're offending tomorrow by saying he's not KD by saying he's not youD, by saying he's not Jordan. No, you are doing that. We are very clearly dancing. There's a level of greatness. It's all implied, yeah, you're all-time great. You might end up on some Mount Rushmore. That's not what we're looking for here. We're looking for the Jets.

Just fucking get us. Like Michael Beasley. Great, thank you. So no legends, all right, let me see. Like mainly role players, essentially. Before we even no legends. All right, let me see. Yeah, like mainly role players Essentially before we even do this hold on tomorrow. No, this hold this whole thing was born of me telling these guys They weren't real hoopers. They didn't really know about Mike Beasley and how he could give anybody a bucket anywhere Yeah, me and Tony. We both know basket. Yeah, I mean Mike don't get enough credit for being one of the most dominant college players of all time like

Mike don't get enough credit for being one of the most dominant college players of all time. Like, so I definitely get your point of view with that. Let me hear your top five so I know what the goal is. That's what 21, he wanted to ask for his list. I won't pick nobody from your top five. Let me hear your top five. He wants more parameters. He wants some archetypes that he can have.

Okay, so we need, Jamal Crawford is on the shirt. Michael Beasley for sure. I don't have my list movie Michael Red Buckingheader, Buckingheader, more of a sniper. You know what? You not having him turning it on you. I know he did. He did. He can't even you know. You're not in the top five. What about playoff Gary Neal? Oh, yeah. All right.

Playoff Gary Neal. Special. What's happening? All right. I got a bucket. All right. I put I put Lou Will in there. Yes.

Yes. There you go. You're getting the gas. That's a good one. Is he better than playoff Gary Neal? That's how you play. Lou Williams at the top. There should be the Lou Williams Memorial bucket get her list

Crawford's got some words Lou will Jamal Crawford Putting me young up there Right, you know, yes, this is exactly how you play the game. All right. You know how to play the game. Yes. This is exactly how you play the game. Let's see. Swaggy's going to love being on this. I have Louisville, maybe. Who I say?

I say Louisville. Jamal Crawford. Swaggy. Jamal Crawford. Straight bucky. This is a good one. This is a good one. Thank you.

I want to make sure my list is good. Oh, it's a good one. This is a good one. Thank you. I want to make sure my list is good. Oh, it's a good one. Dion Waiters. Dion Waiters. Oh my God. Dion Waiters. Now we're just playing the game. Fuck it. No, no, no, no.

All right, let me make sure I get this last one. Dion is a good one. Oh my God. Let's see you in the last one. I'm trying to... Do I want to go old school? The other is a good one. Oh my God. Let's see you in the fly. So I'm trying to, do I want to go old school? He's got a new series about mental health on his YouTube channel.

I'm just giving him filibuster time to think. It's called Dinners with Damar. It features interviews with Draymond Green, Dwayne Wade, Damia Lillard and more. Damar DeRosan is here ready to close out this segment with his fifth top five bucket getter of all time. Oh my god. This is a good one. Oh, I know I'm gonna be so mad later on when it with other names coming up come to my mind. Next week you can

call us every day when new names come on. Excellent. Monte Ellis. Monte. Thank you. What size do you wear tomorrow? I'm gonna throw you some shoes. Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you. Appreciate it. Tony. Me. We all know. We all know you three. We're great at it. Yeah, that's a good one. I like that. Thanks. Tomorrow. Appreciate you.