The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Do The Bills Need To Do Something Drastic?
Episode Date: January 27, 2025Do we need a Frankie Luvu rule to eliminate the Tush Push after the shenanigans we saw in yesterday's NFC Championship Game between the Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Commanders? Do we enjoy watch...ing teams fight for a yard in rugby scrums in the biggest games of the season? Where do the Buffalo Bills go from here after losing for a fourth time to the Kansas City Chiefs in the Playoffs? Mike Ryan thinks that they need to make a drastic change, similar to the Florida Panthers trading for Matthew Tkachuk or the Boston Celtics trading Marcus Smart, in order to finally get over the hump. Stugotz wonders whether the drastic change needs to be firing Sean McDermott for Bill Belichick. Then the crew takes it even further and wonders if the Bills should just trade Josh Allen. Plus, we revisit Papi killing Fred Dreyer on last night's watchalong in hilarious fashion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Welcome to the big suey presented by DraftKings.
Why are you listening to this show?
The podcast that seems very similar
to the other Dan LeBattard podcast.
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In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.
I have been tempted in restaurants
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fat face and the habitual liar. This episode of the Daily Batard show with
Stugats is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Are the
rest of you supporting some sort of movement that calls it the Frankie
Louvoo rule of just keep at the goal line jumping over the tush push or trying
to get an offside's call
because you're trying to perfectly time the other team
getting an inch in a rugby scrum.
I said this last night, Stu Guts,
and I do think it's really dumb.
There are 11 minutes of actual action
in a three-hour football game.
But the action is great.
I know, but so much of the 11 minutes is,
let's try
and get this push on a rugby scrum on second and one on third and inches. Let's do this
two or three times and just let clock run out because all we're doing is let's just
have all the fat guys push in this direction and see if we can get half a yard. Yeah, that's
why I'm a little confused by it because you always speak to the gladiator spectacle
of football and the gridiron,
and you're a cyclone of menace and horror.
You're so good with words,
and there is nothing more true about that
than a short yardage situation
where it's wheel against wheel, mano a mano.
You like watching that?
You like watching fourth and short for an inch.
I was ca, on championship Sunday, every single short yardage situation was captivating.
Because these, you believe that the team
could actually stop it.
In the regular season, bodies don't find the willpower
on the opposite side to put up a fight.
Now Washington was doing very creative things,
trying the time to snap down,
and it was very clearly getting to Philadelphia, so much so that they switched up the cadence which led to hilarity. Basically
a 15 minute down.
The thing is though Mike, I'm watching the will and the gladiator and all of that stuff
and then it's an old guy deciding he's just going to put the ball wherever he thinks it
should have gone.
We'll fix that part.
We will?
Yeah I do think so. I think in our lifetimes we. We'll fix that part. Yeah. We will? Yeah, I do think so.
I think in our lifetimes we're going to fix that.
How about Josh Allen?
Is he still going to be around?
He won't be in his prime.
No.
Do you feel bad for him today?
Because he played well enough to win the game as he has.
He's lost four times to them and his statistics are better than they are when he's four and
one or three and one against them in the regular season. Yeah I'm sick for him. I'm sick for him
because like I said he'd be Mahomes. It wouldn't it's not a championship it's
not a Super Bowl appearance and it's kind of like Dan Marino and that
everyone realizes this guy's the friggin man he's awesome he's not the problem
it's everything else and everything else is largely somebody else.
One individual that is just a little bit better at it. Just a little bit more
clutch even though he's been pretty damn clutch and he's made the throws his
surrounding cast hasn't been as clutch. I can't tell you what a tribute and honor
it is that the Buffalo Bills
have somebody who is very clearly and obviously the MVP of the league and the strategy is still
let me hand the ball off to James Cook here
because I don't want that other quarterback
to be having the ball too much.
You want McDermott fired, right?
Didn't you come in here today with McDermott bye bye?
Like he's.
I mean he has this all-time talented quarterback,
and he's been unable to get them a Super Bowl.
And in that spot, again, where it's fourth in inches,
and you're up a point, and you're trying to close out
the Chiefs on the road to finally get yourself
to a Super Bowl, you don't realize how big that play call is.
You don't realize the size of the moment there.
Like, Dan, you can't just run the same play you just ran.
You can't do it.
There's too much at risk there.
And so I think Belichick should take over that job.
Yeah.
I think there's still a chance for Belichick
to win this battle against Brady.
If he goes to Buffalo, okay,
and he is the guy that gets Josh Allen over the hump,
past Kansas City, to the Super Bowl and then wins it
Forget it. He wins. I mean I was I was really following the take and I really liked it before that
We went off in the crazy land with Belichick
But the McDermott thing like like it is something that you have to consider. No, we've seen sports teams
Realized pretty emphatically like we're just not good enough
What are we gonna do to drastically change this situation all Buffalo did in its offseason to drastically change its situation was get rid
of offensive talent like they're the recent examples Grady little being you know
Not brought back yet Paul Maurice being and a Matthew Kachuk trade for the Florida Panthers because they realize
in a small window, like, we're never gonna get
past those guys unless we do something drastic.
Buffalo is at that point where they have to do
something drastic.
Are they?
Because they keep doing the same thing.
What is the very definition of insanity?
Okay, are they though?
Because you guys are telling me,
a team I know to be good, you're telling me
that I need to do something drastic about the fact that they lost by three points in a game
where the ball wasn't spotted correctly they need to do something drastic
drastic when Kincaid doesn't catch a ball that he needs to catch.
But I would say that losing four times in a row to one quarterback is drastic we've
never seen it. But they also have beaten him in the regular season.
I think that's what's so frustrating
is it's not like he's like 0-8 against Patrick Mahomes.
It's like they've won on the regular season.
It's crazy.
In the playoffs, they can't.
The playoffs, that's why they should hire Spags,
to cut him off at the knees,
and then you have Spags, win-win for everyone.
You say do something drastic,
but I thought getting rid of Stefan Diggs
was doing something drastic.
It wasn't enough.
But in the wrong direction.
Right.
We want drastic addition,
not drastic subtraction that still somehow
they ended up in virtually the same spot.
I would say that it helps to have Patrick Mahomes
because I'm watching an interview
with DeAndre Hopkins playing in his first Super Bowl and I'm like
What's the difference at this point between Deandre Hopkins and Amari Cooper?
What's the difference between those two people because it the Bills got
Josh Allen something like what the Chiefs got I mean I would say I'd rather have Amari Cooper right now than Deandre Hopkins
Nobody wanted Deandre Hopkins the last couple of years. Well, including the Chiefs the last couple of weeks.
They even threw him in the ball like two times.
Yeah, I guess so.
He's just an extra weapon in case they,
he's there for funsies, honestly.
If they wanna kinda shake things up.
He's there for a ring, yeah.
If they wanna shake things up a little bit,
if they get like a lot of injuries,
they have Deandre Hopkins.
But like, yesterday Travis Kelsey had four targets.
They're not even using all the weapons they have.
That's how many weapons they have on that team.
I just don't understand where the Bills go
when they have their post-season meeting
and they all get together and their board of directors
try to figure out, all right, what went wrong?
The same thing went wrong again.
Run it back, like extend our record
of being the only team to lose to this team
this many times consecutively
and just hope that the math will work out for us
in the postseason.
At a certain point, you have to try to take control
of your own destiny and do something about it.
And so at least you can lay your head down at night
and say, well, I tried something new this time.
They should honestly probably bolster their defense,
which is not what people wanna hear or see for Josh Allen.
One of their corners went out
with a concussion and then they were not able
to play man coverage for the rest of the game.
But that is McDermott's specialty is defense
and their defense is lousy.
What about the point that Jessica just made
that we skipped right past?
It would seem that your best corner against Mahomes
would kind of be important.
And once he would go out, I suspect there are all sorts
of ways that Andy Reid is taking advantage of that that we don't understand. That last
play that they converted on third and nine that's not coverable. They had three
guys sweeping across the field running interference so that whoever was
coverage the linebacker just had no chance to to do anything with what that
play was. If you're playing with your backups, if they've had secondary issues all year,
if the Lions season falls apart because God,
look what happened to their defense, everyone's injured,
I'm asking when they're that close
and it's a spot that's the difference,
what's the drastic thing you would like them to do?
You say Stephon Diggs getting rid of him
is in the wrong direction.
You want them to trade for a number one
who is better than Shakir?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, certainly.
That would help.
I would.
Maybe let's put some shoes on, Matt Collins.
They're not having any problem with offense.
They're not having problems with offense.
They're fine on offense.
They scored 28 points every time they play the Chiefs.
Josh Dillon was a little yolo-y in the first quarter.
Agreed.
Old Josh is back yesterday early onolo-y in the first quarter. Agreed.
Old Josh was back yesterday early on.
Yeah.
But he fixed it, I guess.
The answer was do more.
Do something different.
Do change it up.
Don't have the talent overall go down in one off season
when you're trying to chase this team like it did.
You think Matt Collins leaves the stadium in that outfit
or he had a backup?
He has to have a backup.
Because he looked ridiculous.
He did.
You can't do your post game after that game
wearing that outfit.
That's not something that you can do.
That catch he made, that game was a lot of fun.
And I believe that whatever disappointment
there is about that game today is only because
people have
some chiefs fatigue that I'm hearing articulated more than I'm used to hearing winners get
pulled down even though we did plenty of this with the Patriots.
So what should the Bills do, Dan?
I just don't think they have to do anything drastic.
I think they're pretty close. Like I think they're obviously a good team,
indisputably a good team.
And you know, everyone's losing to Mahomes.
There aren't front office moves that can be made
by anybody that's topping Mahomes the last three years.
I also want to give credit to Kansas City
as we just like, try to wonder aloud.
We always give them credit.
We don't need to give them more credit. We just picked, try to wonder aloud. This is frustrating. We always give them credit. We don't need to give them more credit.
We just picked apart a true point
that top corner was out injured.
Let's not omit the times that Patrick Mahomes
had a really bad ankle and he still found a way
to not only beat them, but beat Philadelphia in a Super Bowl.
Let's not forget the time that he got knocked out
at a divisional round game against Cleveland
and Chad Henney had to make the plays down the stretch.
They also got the benefit of a targeting penalty that didn't go against
them there should have been a touchdown that might have changed the result of
that game. To Dan's point like if they did do nothing it would be defensible
because they were that first down fourth down call away from being like scoring
in the game and winning the game and that was a very bad call I thought I
thought he had the first down pretty obviously and then you're talking about a completely different outcome in
this game and you're like well what a great job they've done finally getting
over the hump. You could argue doing nothing and just hoping that
your luck changes is a move, is a calculated risk but I would say that
these are desperate times now for Buffalo. You look at the playing style of your quarterback, you look at all the comps,
he's constantly compared to Cam Newton.
A guy with that big of a frame that leans so much on his athleticism, granted,
he can throw the ball, but we're nearing the end of the window where we can count
on that same sort of physical advantage for him.
So if these are indeed desperate times, there's a cliche about that and what it calls for.
Billy was saying earlier that the Chiefs
have a whole lot of weapons and I don't think they do.
I think their skill guys are worse.
Among the last four teams, I didn't like their skill guys.
Kelsey in this state.
Well, he was great a week ago.
Understood, but in this state,
over whatever had been the last 10 games of Kelsey, at
some point that body is going to break down with that kind of wear and tear.
And so he can do it occasionally, 117 of their 177 passing yards, but consistently over the
last 10 games he has not done it.
And their other skilled guys?
Meh. But it doesn't matter. the last 10 games he has not done it. And their other skilled guys, meh.
But it doesn't matter, like they have so many options
that they're serviceable enough for this system
where Juju Smith Schuster gets 60 yards
in an AFC championship game.
Juju Smith Schuster was their second leading receiver
in the Super Bowl behind Travis Kelsey two years ago.
Hollywood Brown is there, getting more receptions
and more targets than Travis Kelsey.
De'Andre Hopkins is on the team,
he'd probably be like a two or three on most teams,
he gets one reception.
I've been saying this since Friday
and I'm not real sure why it is that people aren't,
just the numbers of this are eluding people.
Give me all of their big plays this season.
Like yes, they're great at 17 play drives
and they're great at converting third and fives,
but they are no longer the offense of like like I'm watching this team and they can beat
me at any point because because anyone is going 40 yards or 50 yards on a play
they don't have that player worthy's not that player he's super fast he's done
that once or twice this season they don't have they don't have what
Philadelphia has which you know your 17 play, here's a one play drive.
But who cares?
Here on the first play of the game.
But they're winning.
Exactly, they lost one actual game this year.
The last game of the regular season didn't count.
They didn't have any of their players playing.
The only thing they lost was to the Bills this year.
So like, you might not like how they're doing it,
but they're doing it more dominant
than they have in other seasons.
Just a different style, they've adapted.
You say who cares, I'm simply objecting to you
telling me how much talent the Chiefs have.
It's how much talent the Chiefs have
at quarterback on offense.
Well, and on defense.
On offense, on offense, it's how much talent
the Chiefs have at quarterback.
That was their first 30 point game of the entire season.
Please look up for me all the other teams
that haven't had a 31 point
game this season like look up all bad they're all bad teams the good teams
don't get away with this there is no such argue for style points and that
determines what a good team is a dolphin score 70 points in a game last year
they didn't do shit so like what are we what are we like actually arguing here
I'm arguing what you're telling me,
that their skill guys are that great,
they have so many weapons.
No, they have enough weapons.
They have a depth of weapons,
they don't have superstars,
but they have enough serviceable pieces
that they get the job done with.
Understood, but you're telling me
that Shakir's not a good enough number one receiver,
that the Bills need to get Josh Allen more help,
and what I'm telling you is if they gave him the Chiefs help you'd be like, eh. Here's the list of teams,
Dan. The list of teams that did not score more than 30 points in a game. The New
York Giants, the Las Vegas Raiders, the New England Patriots, the New York Jets,
and the Kansas City Chiefs. One of these things is not like the other. I get that Patrick Mahomes is now doing the thing
that the Patriots did, which is it doesn't actually matter what the pieces are, that they can just go
get whatever. We know we could do it the other way. We've seen him do it with Terry Kills, so we know
he has that in him and now he's doing it a different different way. As
Billy said, that team in general
is kind of rolling with whatever
they have to do to to win
football games. And so now it's
run and play defense. Mike is
making drastic changes to a team
that you have to 17-3 in the
postseason with Mahomes. But the
strategy you want is just hope
the Chiefs fall apart and then you can get past
them eventually.
No, no, it's not the strategy.
What I'm saying is everyone in that sport is strategizing to beat their know-how-to-win
and nobody can do it, whatever their strategies are.
You're asking me for a strategy that doesn't exist.
They have something at quarterback that no one else has.
But two quarterbacks have done it.
Joe Burrow did it.
Tom Brady did it.
Two quarterbacks have been able to beat them
in the postseason.
It doesn't mean that they don't lose.
I'm saying that these two teams look the same to me.
Right.
And one of them, you all know,
has a quarterback who's going to win at the end,
and the other one has a history of losing
that goes back 40 years.
I just hope that they're thinking about it as much as we are.
Yeah.
That like if-
You wonder.
If the bowl chase and I don't think it's not exactly not bold of them to decide let's keep this unit together.
I actually think that's kind of brave because four years in that sport is a very long time.
Four years being told you're not good enough by the same team losing pretty much the same way in the postseason. I mean that would wear on you
and I just hope that it's not just assumed yeah let's just run it back
let's bring everybody back we'll finally get these guys because you were already
in uncharted territory in terms of not being able to get those guys. Belichick
would definitely take that job. I mean he would. We made a prediction on
God bless football that Stefan Diggs is gonna be on the Chiefs in two seasons.
The problem and the argument that I would try to make on your behalf of they have to change
something is that's as well as a football team can ever protect the football for an entire season,
and they still lost.
Like they were playing a fairly conservative style for Josh Allen, that's grading on a curve obviously,
but it was all minimized mistakes, and you can't account for the mistake that the line judge is going to make
when he runs in on fourth and one
and he spots the ball in the wrong spot.
Like there's just no, there's no accounting for that.
You guys want me to put some-
Somehow the Chiefs still would have won the game, I mean.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean that's pretty much-
Even if they got it right.
That's pretty much where we are with the Chiefs,
where if they indeed lose this game in the future,
we will expect them to win it
the next day somehow because the leagues overturned it
or something has happened the following day
that changes the result we just saw
because they're in this rarefied air of
they're always gonna win, we know they're gonna win,
we fear they're gonna win.
On third and nine, of course, they're gonna convert
to end the game so we don't get to see Josh Allen again.
The Bills should hire Spags.
Wow, that's a great idea.
That is a phenomenal idea.
Chris, that was such a good idea by you.
I can't believe no one else had that.
I can't believe that you're the first person
I've ever heard argue that Spags,
addition by subtraction.
Because he comes in, he knows the Chiefs.
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Don Lebatard. Bob Kraft. The only reason your organization is good is because of Bill Belichick. Stugats.
Belichick has done nothing since since Brady left. He made the
playoffs once. I think at the very least he should not be a
first ballot Hall of Famer. They should make him wait like 10
years to get it. He's an overrated coach.
This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugarts.
Let me play some sound here.
Just give it a couple of days.
Let me play some sound here from last night.
My father, I learned this on air with everyone else.
He's been saying a version of this story for several years
and it turns out that there's a plot twist at the end.
But let's hear, Papi was bringing it last night.
He was eating cashews by the shovel full.
That's what he does, yeah.
And he was just filled with a lot of energy
and so he decided to talk for some reason
about former Rams defensive end Fred Dreier.
Ah.
Can you tell us, I want me to hear the story
that you're always telling people about Fred Dreier,
the old Rams defensive end.
Fred Dreier, oh that guy.
Oh, I tell you one thing, I was impressed.
The guy used to play for, what was it, the Rams?
Was it defensive end or an offensive end?
And after his football career was over, he went on TV and he went into the business of
selling salmon.
He had a salmon product, a line of whatever.
But the guy used to eat salmon, that's all the guy ate.
He was in real good shape
his cholesterol level was in tip-top condition and he was you know all his
vital signs they were right on and I said oh my god this guy is going to live
forever and he used to go on TV on national TV and shows and advertising
products you know and one day I get up in the morning and I look at the news
and the guy dropped dead I said how the hell this guy could drop dead you know and one day I get up in the morning and I look at the news and the guy drop dead I say how the hell this guy could drop dead
you know he's such a healthy nut you know well that happened so I stop eating
salmon that's it I don't need salmon anymore
let's clip that out
Pots y a caso no? Pots y a caso
Let's push that clip out too
Did anyone kill Fred Dreier?
My father did He's alive over years right Dan
This is a story he's told over
Venmo is Fred is Fred Dreier still with us 78 years old
Bring chicken wait a minute get poppy back on live to my father right now and get whatever information. He's gonna be stunned by this
Poppy can you hear me out there?
He's fiddling with his microphone.
Someone help him. There's just an on and an off, Poppy.
Look at everyone scurrying. Come on GQ. A team of people are going, running towards
the Pat Riley statue. Thanks for helping, Taylor.
Poppy, I'm being told that Fred Dreier is still alive.
Nah, I don't believe that. My source told me me he dropped dead a number of years ago
Check it out good
Years that Fred dryer dropped dead jogging after eating some salmon that he had a bad ticker and it's not
Blame it on the salmon that was bad salmon. That was a bad ticker poppy. We're having salmon for dinner now looks like we can have. You cannot blame it on the salmon, that was bad salmon, that was a bad ticker.
Poppy, we're having salmon for dinner now, it looks like.
Oh no, stay away from salmon.
Oh, it's back on the menu.
Dad, he's not dead.
Dad, you've been saying for years that Fred Dreyer's dead.
Google the guy, you Google the guy,
you will see what happened when you Google the guy.
I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Google the guy. Google him good. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Mike has said that the Chiefs can't keep getting away
with this, and the thing I want to ask you guys
is can CBS keep getting away with this, what
I'm about to say, which is they promoted yesterday, Matlock with Kathy Bates, as America's new favorite show.
And I just don't believe that's true.
I believe that it might be popular
and that it might be good, but I believe
that a lot of people can claim to be America's
new favorite show and there's no way to quantify,
well there are ways to quantify that,
but ratings are so difficult these days
that 10 people can make that claim.
Is Matlock indeed that popular?
I think it probably does track,
it probably does fit that criteria
until FBI, colon, CIA comes out.
So they're just trying to say it while they can.
Yeah, you can say things like fastest growing show
where you can play with the math a little bit
But to call yourself America's new favorite show you need to back that claim up
It is the second most watched entertainment show on broadcast TV. So that would make it so what's first probably an older show
America's new so you can claim that
Yes, does that and it's always quantifiable because the ratings bear it
out one of the things they were also advertising is just simply a show called
ghosts hmm just ghosts what's that about Sam
Darnold play that sound again of Sam Darnold and the announcers so we can ask Dugats why he thought London Fletcher was calling a Vikings Rams game in Arizona.
He's holding it too long!
Throw it, man!
I don't have an answer, man.
Do you think that's what London,
it's my fault for not calling you on it.
It didn't sound like London Fletcher.
He's holding it too long!
Throw it, man!
That didn't sound like a linebacker.
I was trying to make sure you were paying attention.
You weren't.
Yes.
Thank you.
You got me.
Speaking of television, I'm curious what you guys make of, in 2024, the Tom Brady roast
was the most watched thing on Netflix of any kind.
Netflix's stock is surging.
The last quarter, they made a ton of money and
it's at least in part because NFL, Tyson, Tom Brady, roast. They are getting in the
game with so much money that they're looking to change, they've been looking to change
television and make Matlock and America's favorite new show be a thing of the past.
That is one hell of a resurgence from sharing passwords
and some of the problems that they were dealing with
during the pandemic.
Netflix having that kind of year where the stock is surging
with the last quarter that was record breaking
because of live sports is super interesting.
Imagine that.
There were Cachanels left and right doing the same thing over and over again, and they
weren't getting the results and they had to do something drastic.
So do you guys have a suggestion on what this drastic thing is?
I like the replacing the head coach.
Replacing a head coach who's won 70% of his 80% of his game Dan. It's a guy they fired his defensive coordinator
They got rid of his offensive coordinator like what's next?
It's got to be him right and if Bill Belichick is out there, and I do believe this is a job
He would leave North Carolina for what the two things because one of them is plausible and the other one is I'm not certain Mike
I'm really no it's not the other one is I'm not certain Mike. I'm really no
It's not a hot take. I'm not certain
Like I'm not certain Belichick would pass up on the opportunity if offered to him the bills to coach Josh Allen
It's just two separate conversations. You don't need to put them together
You will not find another team. I do not believe that
Has what Buffalo and Josh Allen have which is they keep winning a playoff game every year,
but they never get to the Super Bowl.
It's crazy.
Like that's not something that you see a lot of.
And so what Stugatz is saying there is,
I'm guessing that you're firing a coach
who would have more one loss success than any coach
who would usually get fired in any situation.
And he's gotta have the highest winning percentage
in Bill's history over even Marv Levy,
given how much he's won in Buffalo, yes?
It's kinda similar to Marty Schottenheimer,
where he kept getting, you know,
making playoff runs with the Chargers,
but could never get to the Super Bowl, and eventually, and I think it was after an AFC Championship game in which they lost,
eventually they fired him. Yeah, well they hired Steve Belichick. They went 15-1 too, but Marty
Schottenheimer wasn't running into the same one problem at quarterback every year in Kansas City.
Wait, hold on a second. So if Bill Belichick leaves North Carolina,
like Stugats is reporting he's gonna do to go to Buffalo,
is Steve the head coach already?
At Carolina.
Yeah, because wasn't that set up for him to take over
when Bill was done?
If Bill never coaches a game,
does Steve still get the gig immediately?
Let me run my gender my desk, hang on.
Can you do me the favor, Chris Cody,
of telling me what McDermott's winning percentage is
at, in Buffalo?
Regular season, 656, Mark Levy, 615.
Marv?
What'd I say?
You said Marv?
Oh, my bad, it's Marv.
Marv, yeah.
In the playoffs.
Don't do that one.
Marv Levy, yeah, over 500, McDermott seven and seven
in the playoffs.
Put it on the poll, please juju. Are we still making Marv's at?
lebatard show
Because it's been a while feels like Marvin's naming a baby Marvin
Calling a baby Marvin doesn't feel quite right. Let's see what we have under Mike Ryan's desk here. Oh
We have a question for you.
What's the question? Yeah, someone has to ask him something.
Yeah, the coach I'm waiting.
If Belichick leaves now, does Steve Belichick automatically get the Carolina job?
I think the implication is Belichick has to retire.
If he takes another job, Steve goes with him.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Implication.
That's what he said.
He's reporting an implication as our North Carolina insider. Really? Oh. Implication. That's what he said, he's reporting an implication
as our North Carolina insider.
It seems flimsy, it doesn't seem terribly.
I don't think you would've given Feinbaum that answer.
It doesn't seem very, it doesn't have a lot of nutrients,
that particular answer, but it would make sense
that Belichick would have to coach an actual game
before his son gets handed the program.
Well he signed, Really? Yeah.
He should have held out.
Understand that you guys can point out
a number of legal discrepancies here.
I'm going to go ahead and say.
Stu, you're your own worst enemy here.
I'm not bringing it up.
You're the first guy to the plausible take.
Should they look at the head coach thing?
And you're mudding the waters with this Belichick thing.
You have the good take.
I said spags as well, but here's another take. Wow Spags? We're
getting dangerously close to Andy Reid being the guy they call the
greatest coach at NFL history. Belichick may want to come back and stop that I'm
just saying. Marv Harrison Jr. doesn't feel right. Wow. No one else is saying anywhere in the
American sports media that you fire the head coach who has a near 70% winning
percentage because you need to get over the hump and do something drastic and
the drastic thing would be firing a coach with that kind of winning
percentage. But no one thinks the winning percentage is because of him is the
biggest thing. I'm never really impressed with him like
His his decision-making in some of these games has been hot and cold
I don't know dude like I just hope like I said, I hope they're having the conversations
Okay, and I hope it's not just like yeah
Everybody's bring we're gonna run it back right because they're running it back right looking to a room full of people that have experienced the first
type of
Successive failure in NFL history that seems insane to me
so you say though that I'm never really impressed and all I've been doing for two weeks is
articulating some form at 56 years old covering sports for a while of just
complete confusion as to how that quarterback can be coached to never turn the ball over
who do you say you're not impressed and i'm saying
good lord on his watch josh allen went from someone i thought was terrible at
quarterback to running a team that has fewer turnovers than any in the sport
and you're telling me not
that linesman's got a call that differently McDermott unimpressed
I'm like, okay
Okay, and it's hard to get past my homes by a yard
Who I think I know the answer to this but when there is an important play that needs to be called for the Buffalo Bills
Most times it's Josh do something and the ball stays in Josh's hands
Yeah Most times it's Josh do something and the ball stays in Josh's hands. Yeah. We
know with Patrick Mahomes even at this age his go-to guy is Travis Kelsey. Now I
think possibly the go-to guy for Josh Allen right now is Khalil Shakir but
Patrick Mahomes is guy is an all-timer. I feel like he had no bad ideas. Tyreek
Hill, like T Higgins, anything. Who's available?
Who's unavailable?
Let's get crazy.
Let's throw everything for Justin Jarvis.
Like, something crazy, something good,
something game-changing.
All right, so there was an anonymous executive quoted
as saying the Patriots are interested
in a division trade for Tyreek Hill
if Tyreek Hill is indeed available.
You'd be welcoming again
because you've got the same problem you gotta go to kansas city and beat my
homes you'd be welcoming again what you did with stephan digs the drastic change
after stephan digs was you know how we make josh about a quarterback we mix it
up and give him no number one receivers we give him a bunch of different options
the way my homes as a bunch of different options and we get him to play a more careful game now you're going back so
we're doing what teams do all the time organizationally when they can't fit to
figure something out will go from a coach who's tough to a coach who's a
player's coach to back to a coach who's tough so now we're going back to the
number one step on big disgruntled receiver who might be available you keep
trying until you find a combination that works. Okay, but Mahomes is the problem.
It's not in your locker room.
The problem is in another locker room.
So you give up?
You don't give up.
You can keep changing.
I just say tinkering versus drastic.
I say they're obviously close.
Like they're indisputably right there.
And you're telling me they need another number one receiver.
I'm like, okay, welcome Tyreek Hill Hill in there make sure he doesn't get a thousand
yards see how that goes. Okay I understand mentioning Tyreek Hill as a
possible solution is inflammatory and you've done well to seize on that but
I'm saying we're close we're right there is something that that franchise has
famously dealt with its entire history and what it's known for and I would say
they need to have a conversation, ownership on down, buck stops here, what can
we do to make sure we're not even getting a shittier version of what we got in the early
90s?
You're right about this because the heat were close and then they weren't.
And it happened while we were watching them be close.
Sometimes that's not quite enough. You need something else to put you
over the top, but it's really difficult to do what the Panthers did.
What the Celtics did.
It's, it's, that's what the Celtics did. The Celtics did what it is that you had to
do and it was unpopular. I just don't know when you say drastic change, you sort of have
to tell me what it is because firing a coach
Would be firing a coach with that winning percentage would be drastic
Why are we crazy for thinking they should think about changing the coach or get him more offensive weapons?
Like they need to do something well
They need someone on defense like Max Crosby would be a guy
They have to they have to pay Rousseau who might be in the conversation for highest paid guy
on the defensive line in the league now.
Miami guy.
What I would give to be as close as the Bills.
Oh yeah, just once.
It's terrible.
This was the Steelers experience when Tom Brady,
and in my head I was like,
well as soon as Tom Brady retires,
it's gonna be wide open.
Any team can win the AFC when that happens.
When the Patriots dynasty ends, who knows?
We'll have the Texans in a Super Bowl.
The Steelers will win another Super Bowl.
The limit is endless.
No.
It's easy to say we're right there because Buffalo's not alone in saying we're right
there.
Hell, a team that missed the playoffs in Cincinnati
can argue, and they've actually had success
in the postseason against Kansas City.
And Baltimore.
We're right there.
Baltimore, we're right there.
You gotta keep those guys away,
because the golf between those teams is shrinking,
and you have to chase down
the greatest of all time, potentially.
You trade Terry Kell, right?
Given the option, you trade Terry Kell today.
I think it's time to get away from that.
No, that wouldn't even be the target. I'm just throwing names out there the dolphins
They want to go you can have it seems like it's a problem buffalo though better to really than too late with him, right?
I
Mean it's already at too late
I know that's why you got to do it now before it's really too late cuz now you like no no the wrist thing
No, no, you had a knee thing knee procedure. Yeah
No, no, see what do you want for me back next year? What can I give you for Mike Evans you guys let's make a deal you guys
That's an interesting piece Dan Mike Evans. Yeah, sure. Yeah, everybody would want him. They're all thank you for your
Problem let's trade Josh Allen
Kings Ransom
King's ransom you can get for Josh Allen. That's drastic.
That's drastic.
There are no bad ideas.
Said no one was giving you drastic suggestions.
That's drastic, Dan.
There are no bad ideas here.
What I'm saying is what cannot happen there
is everyone just hopping on the bus,
having a team meeting, all right,
we'll get them next year.
That cannot happen.
Do you think that if the Bills call the Chiefs
and said we will trade you Josh Allen for Patrick Mahomes,
the Chiefs would say no no I 100% believe that you guys the reason that is both a
ridiculous thing to offer me today and also something that I think is funny to
look at that I think gets ignored when you guys keep doing
this they need to do something they need to do something the way the culture of
sports argument is that we find blame criticize and the next day is not about
celebrating the winner it's about blaming the loser yeah I really think that it
ignores the historic greatness of Patrick Mahomes that you guys keep telling me
need to do something when it's what every franchise
was saying when Michael Jordan played
and it's what every franchise was saying
when Tom Brady played and there's a new one here now
on need to do something, oh can't do anything,
we're gonna lose every single time no matter what we do.
Burrow for Alan?
Belichick? Yeah, sure thing.
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