The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Don't Let Me Taste Blood

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

Everyone see what's happening with the media? No? Don't Care? Okay! Moving on! Dan shares the details of routinely giving blood in the back of a suburban in the alley behind his home and explains that he's definitely not doing drugs back there. Then, Dan believes everyone on our crew would get their feelings hurt if we trash talked each other the way professional athletes do, and that hurts everyone's feelings. Jessica and Billy flex their athletic bonafides to prove him wrong. Plus, what hurts more: an NFL career or getting your period? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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maybe reach out to TD Direct Investing. Welcome to The Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're

just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar. This episode of the Dan Lovato Show with Stu Gatze is brought to you by Venmo. Excellent enthusiasm, Roy. You brought strength and effervescence

to the beginning of that segment. Here's the situation here. I gotta read the billboard, and then I gotta turn your mics on. I gotta do all that at the same time. It's really hard to do all of those things at the same time. In Roy's offense, it is a lot that you got going on.

And also, I felt like we did Venmo last segment, if we're going to be honest with you. You should have been fine. Sometimes I sell them as bumpers. No, you did great, Roy. Thank you, Roy. We run a loose ship around here. You may have noticed, based on everything you just

saw in the last hour, that we went to the worst of the three sporting events this weekend with eight people, the basketball exhibition game, and I have yet to see any content from that produced by the eight people who just went to San Francisco to party. And so yes, the low standard around here is such that Roy doing that board is about the best that we can do around here, but a heroic effort by Billy to, and these are tough media times, you know? There aren't a lot of,

everyone does see what's happening with the media, right? And the content. And the content industry. And the content industry. And Hollywood collapsing and everything. Everyone does see that that's happening, yes? Or is that something that has not yet been felt? Captain America did fine.

What are we doing? What happened? Okay, so everything's fine? Everyone thinks everyone's fine? Anthony Mackie was there at the Daytona 500. He said, gentlemen, start your engines. But he had like a weird cadence. Is he a fan of the Lebatard show?

I doubt it. Okay. It didn't seem like there was anyone there who's a fan of the Lebatard show. I will tell you guys that when I walked in here, and this is what I like to assume after 20 years, would be on Stu Gatz's computer. I just walked in and what's on his computer to assume after 20 years would be on Stugatz's computer.

I just walked in and what's on his computer is Troy Brown and Troy Brown stats. I have no idea why. I don't know where Stugatz went that first hour. Well, I was just kind of seeing where Hawk could have gone had he stayed with New England Tom Brady, Bill Belichick. Troy Brown had 117 gadgets one year, I mean. That's solid.

That's solid. So you're just saying you're looking through the internet at what Hawk could have been if he was tough enough to be miserable around the Patriot way and be with the best quarterback ever for a season if he didn't wanna be at home with the kids. There are so many other dynamics going on that would have made it hard, Stu, okay?

I know, I understand. I'm glad we have his expertise here though, because I was being mocked here yesterday, and I wanna get the group in on this, and I want Hawkins to answer this question, is the only one here, I believe, who could answer this question. 121 catches, 1,200 yards, and six touchdowns, Troy Brown.

How old do you think Hawk is? I don't know. I'm gonna guess that he is 36, 37. Troy Brown was out of the league a number of years by the time Hawk joined the league like it would have been different teams that they would not have been teammates. No. More catches for Hawk. All he was looking at is look Troy Brown wasn't even a receiver. Well was like a DP. Well no, he was a receiver famously. He was for them. Yeah, but he played two ways. Well, but he came out as a cornerback, was he not?

And then they just used him as receiver? No, the other way around. I think it was the reverse. Okay, yeah. This is where I thought Stu Gotz was going with Googling that. I thought it was gonna be a Travis Hunter cop, which I'm like, hey, that's not bad, that's not bad cop. That's pretty good for Stu.

But then it was not. This is what I want help with though, though case of the group was making fun of me billy journalist that he is and that me journalists that i'm not anymore i made the mistake last week of reporting erroneously that walter paten played without socks jared payton his son got corrected me yesterday and said no it wasn't socks it was in souls and so the group thought to itself haha dan is wrong but i thought to myself playing without insoles seems like something that would hurt more than playing without

socks like it was worse than i even thought so tell me what's right there is someone who knows what that game does to feet the idea he like Walter Payton like to feel the cleats on the bottom of his feet, and so he removed the insoles. I think those protect his feet more than socks would. Feetness. Yeah, insoles is worse. To play with no insoles in your, now look, this is the 1980s,

so I don't know what insoles were like then, right? It could have very well been a thin piece of paper, right? Because they weren't exactly modernizing the technology of cleats at the time. But for me, it would be harder for me to play without insoles than it would be to play without socks. It would just also hurt a great deal more, right? Yeah, it would hurt.

And my feet hurt so much constantly at like the, all day, my feet hurt all the time. I have a bunion that is the size of a damn ping pong ball. All from football. I got a guy that can fix that for you. Yeah, give me a number, man. Is he driving a white van outside of the circus? No, no, this guy was legit.

He was super tall though. Because I wouldn't want it from Dan's guy. That podiatrist office that I went to years ago to have bunion surgery, I thought, man, if they had a rec basketball team, they would kill it. All the doctors were like six seven It was the strangest office I've ever been It's they're like their feet hurt usually the bigger the people the more their feet hurt

So they probably have a passion for fixing people's feet feet doctors are weird though, right? I found out my my best friends Dating a foot doctor the foot doctor does everything from the ankle down The ankle like ankle surgeries are part of podiatry. I never knew that I just thought he was like really into toes Oh, really? I had ankle surgery. I don't know if it wasn't the diatrissa. It was a nothing I mean, they just explained their they just explained that Hawk where you're not No, were you not listening when she's like an ankle lift? Yeah, like what are we doing here? You weren't listening when I was below the the podiatrist is just the foot is what she said that he also does ankles

No, I don't think like it. I don't think the ankle has to be that doctor, but they do cover that as well Yeah She was saying that the podiatrist does do ankles and I was saying mine did not, mine was not a podiatrist who did my ankles. Put it on the poll please at LeBotard Show. Are feet doctors weird? Because I think podiatry in a van would be bad. I know that South Florida, well, you can find a normal looking civilian residential

home where they will check your feet. That is something you can find in Miami, but I draw the line at the van he's driving around and we will check your feet and I'm somebody. You guys will both not be surprised by this and be horrified by it. I'm doing a variety of different things and I have to give blood every couple of months

to get my blood tested and I do it in the alley behind my house. Like that somebody comes over and because I have to rush to work and get it in the right time, I'm not, I'm going, people would drive by and see me in the back of a van, a suburban actually.

Is heroin the variety of things you're doing? And I'd be, and they would see me getting a needle to the arm with my with my arm wrap That is a photograph that can be read. Yeah. Well and a suburban What are you talking? I like how he's getting out in front of this story as smart of him I like what he just did there he gets out in front of the photos that are clearly gonna drop dude that's a 100% has a heat license plate Or black Miami

University Miami license plate. Or Miami Dade, like student park and decal on it. This whole like, Jarrett Peyton thing's been a setup for Dan to get ahead of the photos that are gonna come out. Yes, you guys will, you could also see me FaceTiming her son, who's a giant dolphin fan, to do a private sports show for him because he wants to know the latest on Tua, as his mom has a needle in my arm.

What'd you tell him, Libby? I just talked to him a little bit about, in general, it's a frail situation. That's nice of you. I know how much you probably hate that. Oh, man. How did basketball players used to play in Converse? Yeah, ridiculous.

Every time I put on Converse, I'm like, man, these offer, shout out to Converse, if they're a sponsor to the show, love your shoes, but horrible ankle support. And the idea that the NBA players used to play in Converse and this was a great evolution of the shoe for them is insane. Like the next level of athletic footwear.

But that's why I'm a little bit more forgiving of players at that era and the way that they look when they move. Cause I'm like, they're wearing church shoes they're wearing like cardboard strapped to their feet. Exactly. They've tied up construction paper on their feet and they're asked to look as athletic as the guys do now. And they're eating like the nastiest shit. Yes. And their shorts are way too high for them to maneuver at the speed that they'll

need to. Just such a bad wedgie. It's just an unbelievably bad wedgie. There's no way that they put that uniform together and said, you know what, now this is built for speed. You can dance in it, though. I learned that this weekend. Kugler did. I mean, Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points wearing Converse.

He was a foot taller than everybody else. I want to ask, though, about this, because there is something that happens all the time in sports and in sports coverage where I believe you caring is something that is underestimated on what that costs when you talk about walking through life now with feet that hurt all the time.

I think about this all the time with basketball players. Like, I can't imagine what the pain of those feet. LeBron James' feet, I don't care how much work he is getting with science and medicine. They have to hurt, yes. Like, I'm thinking that he's gonna go through life and that people don't actually understand what the pain trades are to be great

at what it is that you're doing. Last time I talked to Hock, he just told such a delightful story about his greatest highlight in the nfl and how it is that he was in the open field and he was scared because it's just it's it's trampling herds coming from every direction and he's in the open field and he is

jittering around everyone yes and scared and i just don't understand i don't think the people watching have any earthly idea what the sacrifice is you guys make, none. And I'd say that as someone who also doesn't understand. I hate to be the devil's advocate on something that makes me look awesome. So let me preface this by that.

But yes, it is a scary thing, but I'm also weirdly wired to love that kind of stuff. I am the kind of person that believes football players are born, they're not made. And for me, that's where the confidence that I could play amongst those giants and be in that world came from. Not because I thought I was awesome,

it's because it's all I wanted to do. And like, I miss, I'm not kidding, I miss being sore on Mondays and Tuesdays. I miss the feeling of being like, yo, I cannot even walk right now because I just left it all out on the field. I miss physical contact. That's a weird thing to say, but I truly miss,

like when I play basketball every what? Once every 14 months and I'm playing and I'm trying to be a normal civilian and then someone will get super aggressive with me and be like, oh, you're a little guy, let me bump you. And it turns me on so much, I get chills and I'm like, oh, you just gave me the green light. I'm gonna run into you at full speed

and I don't care anything about what happens to my body. So it is a little bit like where that's just naturally who I am as a person as well. Well, I mean no disrespect though because i think you know what but you didn't answer my question and that what you'd you know also football that's the you've you'd but the reason you didn't answer it uh... because you i don't mean to disrespect you when i say that any human being should be

afraid running around in a secondary it's a respect of what it is that you do that that i any normal mortal considering consequences at your side would worry about am I gonna get blindsided by 360 pound defensive tackle that I don't see who happens to be running for six in this direction no for sure for sure I mean you have a particular set of skills that help protect you but also it's like when I was a kid and I had nothing I I would always like, how I would

convince myself to do something would be like, would you do this for a million dollars? We all play that game. And so like when I would be going through it, I'd be like, hey, this is for a million dollars. And I would do this weird thing where I tricked my mind into believing that eventually I would be paid a million dollars for running through the stampede unprotected. I believe it's a different mentality than everyone here would have.

And I think I have this right when I ask the question, who do you guys think among us, right? Because when he says he lives for some of this stuff that includes physical contact, I'm always thinking when watching sports, and Anthony Edwards will articulate, oh my God, do I love shit talking? Do I love going back and forth with somebody?

In our workplace, I think if everyone shit talked each other that way, everyone would get their feelings hurt. Like that in the, that we're not built the way that Andrew Hawkins is built, where oh, you wanna compete some more, okay, I'm gonna come over the top and anything you say isn't going to bother me and I'm going to keep my composure but I believe that the shit-talking on the average professional court or field is so intense that all of us would shrink from it. Are you asking like if there was shit-talking in this

environment or if we went and were playing football and there was shit talking in this environment or if we went and were playing football and there was shit talking? I'm saying that is there anyone? Because it would be weird if someone just ran up and tackled Hawk just because while he's doing a show. It would be weird. Bill you suck today you idiot. Screw you Billy. Not great shit talk. Most of us have played sports though and probably been shit talked or involved in shit talk. Well that's the thing about the like. In that setting it's like yeah that's part of it.

The regular workplace that's what I like is an adjustment because you miss that. The cool part about shit talking is that we get to resolve it immediately. So when Jeff Teague is gonna shit talk LeBron, LeBron's gonna dominate him, and then for 20 years Jeff could be like, yeah, I was wrong there, he was pretty good.

And I have those stories too, but it's like we get to go out on the field and see exactly what the result can be, and that's the cool part, whereas in the workplace, that's where the frustration comes in, because it's all subjective. This is probably one of the most psychotic sentences ever,

but when you're playing sports and you have a situation where you get hit or whatever, there's nothing like the taste of blood. As soon as you get the taste of blood in your mouth, OK, let's go. This is awesome. But I completely disagree, because that is lunatic behavior. Yeah.

You ever get shit talk? You're a little, you're more whack talking to me now. You ever get shit talk, but you also know that you're bad? Yes. So it's just, because that was me like when I played football briefly, and they're like, low man wins, you suck so much. I know, I know. You're trying the best I can.

I'm six foot two playing DN. You keep saying low man wins, this guy's five foot four and his nickname is Jigsie weighs 275 The idea that Billy loves the taste of blood in his mouth It's a little bit. It's the most shocking thing he's ever said because it's not in any way true No, like on a feet on a field like you're like, oh, this is this a good taste at home You're like, oh, this is I gotta call someone like This is a problem. I shouldn't be tasting blood right now. Why are you tasting blood so much?

I think that's more than good stuff. I can romanticize some of the pain things in sports. I believe, was it Forrest Griffin that we were talking to that one time, the MMA fighter, and we asked him about whether or not he liked pain or not because it seemed to be something that the warrior mentality embraced. We'll see if Roy can find that sound.

But I wasn't saying shit talking in this environment. I am simply saying that I don't believe any one of us wouldn't get their feelings hurt by somebody starting shit talk on us in sports. Depends on the insecurities. I don't think we have any good shit talkers here is my point that would absorb it Well, and then come back with greater strength Let's hear from Forrest Griffin here as he answers my ridiculous question. Do you like pain? There it is I like ice cream I don't like you like you're projected

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There was this famous incident of Shannon Sharp shit talking Derrick Thomas that led to Derrick Thomas having like six unsupporting calls on him. Well, do you know that this is actually, that you said that because that was my reporting, that story. Like, I'm not kidding. No, I'm gonna tell you I'm here I'll do it for myself you were very close with her. You learned it. Thank you. That and the Pell Grant. This story actually gosh somebody's got to find this it was a story about sex and the Super Bowl and I think think the story, the 20th paragraph, was something about the Dallas Cowboys having that White House that they had where they were, you know, a bunch of the players

had a secret house for parties. Did you mention Eugene Robinson in that story? No, that happened, no, no. That happened before. I don't know, but this particular story is me calling derek thomas in order to get that story about shannon sharp see if you can find the details there

derek thomas and he was somebody was considered sort of like a a pillar of integrity in his community and somebody that wouldn't get weirdly emotional during a game i think you got several several flags for unsportsmanlike conduct and he was ejected and Shannon Sharp won in the biggest way that winning can happen because he got personal in some place that was about women. And I called Derek Thomas and I asked him if that story was true and Derek Thomas, who I had a good relationship with, hung up on me. So yes.

And I've never gotten from Shannon Sharp that story of what it is that he was saying that made Derek Thomas so crazy that in a prime time Monday night game one of the stars of the league I got several penalties made crazy by Shannon Sharp and I'm pretty sure got ejected. Yeah, that is a part of the sport, and there is layers to the shit talk, because there's the situations, kinda like what Mike is talking about. I've been in the league,

and I've been shit talking someone who is clearly superior to my playing ability, and I'm like, man, I cannot wait for this game to get over, because I'm writing checks that my ass can't cash. And so, you go through this game, you're being dominated and you're trying and you're like, God, I just want to get out of here. And then there is the version where you're like,

I got to get this person out of the game, out of their game and focused on something else. You tried this with James Harrison, didn't you? Yeah, I did it because it was just fun. It was like, James Harrison focusing on trying to kill me and not focusing on getting the quarterback was like, A, it helps my team. But also it's like playing a little bit of a game of chicken.

It's like, man, am I gonna make it out of this game without dying? I didn't, that game specifically, I went to the hospital. But the whole thrill of being like, man, I wonder if I can do this and get away with it. Did the taste of your own blood get you going though? It did man. When you came to?

When I came to I'm like, what is that? Oh, did we have a party? Yes we did. Derrick Thomas was flagged three times on OneDrive because of Shannon Sharp who kept reciting his girlfriend's phone number at the time. That's the report here. Oh, that's a hard one man.

That's tough. Hardest I've ever taken some shit talking was from the crowd. High school basketball game, and my brother was playing for the Bengals at the time, and they were not very good. And they started chanting a bunch of stuff about my brother. Like, I'm okay if you shit talk me,

but that got under my skin so bad, I played horribly, and then after the game, I tried to go up in the student section and fight and yeah it was like one of those. That was the one time where I wish I could pin Cambria was the name of the high school. They got me good pin Cambria but this war isn't over. You can't be emotional with this stuff right? It has to be a bit strategic like once you get into it was crazy to watch that happen to Derek Thomas on national television. Three penalties on one drive

Because he just wants to fight Shannon sharp and Shannon sharp can't have a greater victory in his Hall of Fame career than that Goodness gracious what then making someone so crazy with his mouth a Hall of Famer So crazy with his mouth that he got him ejected from the game. He was doing it before every snap Reciting the phone number. Roy, what other information do you have? Somebody needs to ask Shannon Sharp about this. He might find some of this. I mean, Derek Thomas was very respected,

and yeah, that's a secret that probably, yeah, is something that Shannon Sharp wouldn't have wanted revealed. Well, CBS Sports reports that because Derek Thomas had died and he was asked after his death that Shannon Sharp will never reveal what he actually said to Derek Thomas during the day. But evidently does Stugats have some bad reporting there? Does he have better reporting than Roy has when he gives us the details that I did not know because

because I was calling Derek Thomas to ask him what was happening there when he was still alive and so I did not have that answer to the question. I don not know because because I was calling Derek Thomas to ask him what was happening there when he was still alive And so I did not have that answer to the question. I don't know what the answer Are you shit talking Roy's reporting right now? I think that Stu gots just dominated Roy's reporting and you accuse me of projection. I I Would not like shit talking it would be unpleasant Just for the record someone else could have that detail that played during that game and Shannon sharp can still maintain being respectful of the debt right I just don't know what's true there I'd and I'd like doesn't stop you from talking your shit

I was gonna say you guys are doing pretty good at shit talking to me some of us played pickleball against some others of us and kicked their asses and Some of us should talked the entire time. While others could not handle it. I would like to. I was more angry at my performance. Also Chris Cody. Yeah, you were terrible Roy.

Chris Cody was shit-talking me. I was his teammate. You were dominated, yes. You were being shit-talked by everybody because you were terrible. I don't know my own power. That's more reporting than anything. It's a finesse game.

It's not a game of power. Look at Dan Pilon on I want everyone to watch what's going on here. Yeah I saw the blood boy. I'm starting to taste my own blood over here. I don't like it Roy hit a home run in a major league ballpark or at least where it is that the Marlins played in batting practice I believe he's the only one here who could do that Roy was not an embarrassment on American Ninja Warrior the way many of our participants were at American Ninja Warrior. Easier, of course.

Roy would be one of the best athletes on the show if not for the existence of Chris Cody who was then beat in a race by Billy Gill and I believe Jessica can throw an orange further than any of you. Roy is said to be around here among our best athletes. So. That's not saying much.

Yeah, no, it's great. Congratulations, Roy. Thank you. I can absolutely launch an orange. Yeah, and we'd kick Dan Patrick's crew's ass in this fight. We need to do this. We need to find light on this.

Well, they don't like us. I know, but when's that ever stopped us? Like, yes. Well, it stops us because they need to participate. This time, right. This time it stops us. Congratulations, you've stopped us. We were talking. Congratulations, you've stopped us.

We were talking before this show, Hawk, I don't know, because you were a real athlete. I don't know if you ever played with a Vortex football growing up. Did you ever play with the Vortex? I don't, give me another word. The Vortex was like the Nerf one with like the tail on it. But it would make noise.

Yeah, and it had like the whistle. Yeah. I felt like I could throw that 90 yards easily. Where probably it went like 45 feet. It was hard to catch though because sometimes the whistle part would get you right on the nail. Right.

It was kind of only for like the long ball competition. Cause when you tried to play actual backyard football with it, it became tough. Dude, you could throw bullets with that thing. But it was hard to aim because it was like your perception of where you were throwing, it would go like 10 yards further. You need some touch precision, Dan.

Maybe that was it. Maybe that was my first inkling that I wasn't a quarterback. The point was Dan was trying to say how great we all are as athletes. I think we could all throw a vortex. At least 20 yards. The vortex competition would be epic. I left you out on pole vaulting

and that's how you attack by doing that. No, it's just fun. You've been doing it for 20 years, I understand. I'm familiar with your work. I have a connection point to the Vortex. That connected with so many people in our audience. You were the pole vaulter. I named everyone else as an athlete.

Mike's probably mad somewhere in there that I haven't talked about his shit talking soccer play as the greatest keeper that South Florida's ever seen. My game got canceled yesterday, but I am active. The point was that Roy is supposed to be among the great athletes we had, and at pickleball he was terrible. And the original question I was asking, Hawk, how much do your feet hurt?

I also hurt a lot. They hurt a lot. They hurt tremendously. You said, I wasn't scared to go through a secondary. You didn't answer the question about what the cost, what the tax is of I love love it and now you're in retirement You're looking for physical contact and you can't have it anywhere because you love so much being in pain Yeah, I don't love being in pain. I miss being in pain. There's a difference, right? I mean, I want to profound

I This is what I get to for 20 minutes. I like the soreness that makes me know that it's work It makes me feel like I put the work in. Mm-hmm You know, but you chose your kids you like I put the work in. You know? But you chose your kids, you could have put more work in and you chose your kids. That's why they're supersets now. I put a different kind of work in.

You're trying to shame them for being a good father? Yeah, it's like you could have had a Super Bowl man, or two. You could have had a Super Bowl, and then they could have went to the NFL because you were absent. You're ruining the cycle of our football. This is why American whites are dominating.

There's not enough fatherless kids, Hawk. Ridiculous, two guys. Is it also possible that your body's hurting because you're getting old? Because I didn't play in the NFL, and boy, my dogs bark sometimes. Billy, Billy, the thing that I want to ask him, because I think this culture that he comes from,

and it's football culture. I was going to say, whoa. Okay, careful there. Careful there, bud. That the entirety of that culture is built so he would be reluctant to tell us how tough he is. I'm gonna have to use a crowbar to get out of his mouth all of the consequences that there were

to him missing and liking that physical pain as he enters his late 30s and it's a little harder to get out of bed because his feet hurt. Like you don't, you've got the residual pain. I know you're walking around with it and you're missing the previous pain when your feet are gonna hurt for the rest of your life

because no one understands what being a slot receiver does to your feet. Yeah, no, it hurts. It hurts, man. My ankles hurt. I walk down the steps like I'm 60 in the morning. It takes me at least 30 minutes to not limp around throughout the day.

I have bone spurs in both of my ankles so they don't bend the way I need so it's literally just me picking my feet up and just going like this with no, what is it, torque really, for a little bit until they get warmed up. It's harder to work out. I should probably start taking anti-inflammatories to make myself feel a little bit until they get warmed up. It's harder to work out. I should probably start taking anti-inflammatories

to make myself feel a little better. My shoulders hurt. I can't lay with my arms up for a certain amount of time. All those things. It just sounds like you're getting old, I gotta be honest with you. I think this is just age. But I'm 38, is that supposed to be?

No. I'm only 38, is that what happens? You laugh at this, but I believe this is sort of part of the dehumanization that happens in the transaction of how overtly you guys are giving your money or your bodies over for money. It's the trade. You're going to age faster than the rest of us.

Yeah, no. Faster? I started feeling these things at like 27. 25 for me. Yeah. You were in shape a lot longer than the rest of us. I think if anything, it's delayed pain. No, it hurts still.

I mean, I'm still an elite athlete. I think if we had a competition, I would still win all the competitions. And this is my shit talking. Amongst us, you're saying. It's my defense mechanism to start shit talking. You don't want any smoke with me, Billy. All right?

I still run the 100 meter dash in at least 11 seconds. I mean it just sounds like rabbit degeneration just based on your playing. Yeah, yeah. That doesn't seem very fast, but I also don't know what a meter is. Yep. A metric system.

11 seconds? Pretty fast. I would like as a countermeasure, as your signature line Billy, as an action hero, don't let me taste blood. action hero Don't let me taste blood You don't let me taste it with your face on it. That's a t-shirt. I would buy that as a t-shirt Yes that you that you that you will I love it. You will crush Hawkins in all effort. You would beat him at you'd be

In pole vaulting. I don't know about that. You'd beat him in pole vaulting. I don't know about that You'd beat him in pole vaulting old and slow. I think that there is so much content on this show that that goes Malnourished tell me about it that is a superhero like plot right there that in order for his superpowers to kick in He has to taste blood dance. Oh talking shit I get punched in the face my own something has to happen to make you taste his own blood so that he turns into the. I would love to see pole vaulting between you and Billy. Hannah Bill Lecter. It's very dangerous, Dan.

It's not a sport that we should all just be doing, especially at our advanced ages. Pole vaulting is always dangerous. You would take them, though, right? And pole vaulting? You think you would take them, right? That seems so dangerous to me. I am more fearful of pole vaulting and NASCAR. Yeah, then then football. I live on the edge, man I know to tell you easily some of us are built for this sounds like you're backing down for don't let me taste blood

It sounds like I don't like You want to punch me in the face like My eyes have been open Dan constantly talk shit yeah I did not know this like hit the entire show talking shit yeah I mean wait a minute and then he says he doesn't talk shit that's the funny part not that he does it is that he thinks his style I'm looking for the... Yes, you just explained the show to everybody. Yeah, yeah, that's the whole... I've been doing it for 20 years.

Where have you been? But it's incessant. It's crazy. Like the entire show is built on you talking shit about others and getting them to fight. That's right. That is, we figured it out. Yeah, what are you doing?

Constant divided. Why are you showing everybody the whole thing? You're killing me. What are you doing? Fight, fight, 20 years. What are you doing? What are you doing? 20 years. What are you doing? Manipulative machine.

Cog. Like what are you? I don't understand. Cog, it's all right. Cog in this manipulator machine. What? I'm a Brett Favre in this manipulator machine. I can't find the right button here.

I'll find it. Hold on. Another call. Minor penalty, two minutes high sticking. No. Whoa. That's not the one that I needed. I'm sorry.

I'm gonna find it in a second, because, how, Mike, how is this dawning on you after 20 years? Like, how is this something you're noticing right now? How do you press the wrong buttons twice and you don't have to go to the after party? You don't get the show. Ah, there it is. Ah, yeah, the classic.

Because I'm in charge. Because, yes, what do you mean? It was a classic four minute bit. What do you mean? What do you mean? How do I get to? It's the thing I do. And Mike's just realizing, thank you Billy, I was looking for that one too.

I appreciate you helping Roy there. Aqua? Yeah, I miss all of that. And yes, I'm shit talking all show, but I also think it is funny as we talk about the pain of Hawk, how easily he relays when we finally get to it. Hey, this is the pain I'm in. And what I don't think you guys understand, as you look at him and say, no, this is just aging, his pain threshold is miles beyond where ours is. Miles, like miles

and miles still. He's never had his period. No. Oh, well have you, Hawk? Very valid. I have nothing for that. She wins. I don't even know about men's pain tolerances.

Have a baby. Have you had kidney stones? No kidney stones. Oh, you're soft. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Billy really probably, he ate a raw onion hand for you. That is weird.

He probably has the highest pain tolerance. For me, that's quite the martyrdom, quite the crucifix, the onion. And you still shit talk him this whole show. Crazy. I did get hit by a car when I was 12 though. Okay, you win. Wait, how fast is it going?

It was going pretty good. I flew into an intersection on my bike, but I wasn't supposed to be gone from the house. And so I got hit and I flew about probably 25 feet in front of another girl my age. Once she see I was okay, she started laughing. And the lady was like, oh my gosh, she stops the car. She's like, are you okay?

And I'm like, I'm fine, I just gotta get home because I wasn't supposed to be gone on my bike. And I was so scared that I was gonna get in trouble for being gone, I just went home. Did that make it hurt less? The adrenaline was going because getting hit by a car seemed to be the path of least resistance between getting in trouble by my folks for leaving the house when I wasn't supposed to.

That happened to me once. My friends, we were like rough housing and they were swinging this bag of marbles around and it hit me in the head. And my parents were at church and I was afraid that we were gonna get in trouble for rough housing, so we never told them. And I thought for the next like 24 hours, I was probably just gonna drop dead. That's not getting hit by a car.

That's a little different. Yeah, I broke my back. Yeah, I didn't say it was, but I was afraid of getting in trouble. That was the common thread. I broke my back in the game when I was in college. You know what, it helped me in football because after getting so much pain,

I then wasn't scared of it or any of it. Really? Yeah, it got to a point where I'm like, oh, you've had everything. You've broken your back, you've done it. And it was like, all right, whatever happens happens at that point. You were numb to pain.

I wasn't. Put it on the poll. No longer scared of it. At LeBatard Show, what hurts more, getting hit by a car or getting hit by a bag of marbles? In the poll. No longer scared of it. At Levitard Show, what hurts more, getting hit by a car or getting hit by a bag of marbles? In the head. In the head? Because I will say again, and I don't know.

Or your period. Or, well that one, everyone conceded that one. I thought, okay, put that on the poll as well. What hurts more, an NFL career or your period? Fine, fine, at Levitage Show. I thought it had been conceded, though. The thing about Hawk and what we're talking about is I do believe you can articulate all the reasons

that the pain is worth it. With football players, when Stugat says, ah, they know the consequences, I worry for you in your 60s and 70s because the pain threshold is gonna have to sustain for the 40 years after the the the seven years of playing yeah You got out early, but it was worth it You would say right like it's like every time we talk to somebody about what it costs every every single time

They say it was worth it. I agree, it was worth it. At this stage of my life, I will say it was worth it. What are you laughing about, Mike? He would not let you get in there. You wanted to grief eat so bad. Yeah, man, I'm not, you know, I'm here. Just slapped you off the line and ran right past you.

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